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Anyone load for 30 Carbine?
« on: November 01, 2008, 05:35:13 pm »
I'm using the close election as an excuse to buy something now that  may not be around a lot longer, an M1 Carbine from the CMP.  I have a small amount (maybe 50-100) reloadable cases for 30 Carbine I've picked up.  Anyone here load for that?  If so, what loads do you like?  I have a lot of BL-C(2) powder and about a pound of IMR4064.

I'd also really like to hear from anyone here who might cast bullets for 30 Carbine, as that's what I see the bulk of my shooting being.  Anyone with suggestions or favorites regarding casting for 30 Carbine?  I'll be taking a look over at cast boolits.com but am trying to make this board my main reloading discussion area.
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    Re: Anyone load for 30 Carbine?
    « Reply #1 on: November 01, 2008, 11:47:06 pm »
    I was experimenting with it some, but due to my finances I'm selling it, I found out at the Appleseed it doesn't fit me well, and as a poor college kid I need to focus on more useful guns, that I can shoot well.  I have a nice pile of brass if you're interested.  I was running H110 on the load in a manual, never got around to really playing with the loads.

    My Lee dies came with a recipe for an 85 grain bullet at 2200 FPS or so, I'd have to go look at the chart to see what powder they were running.  Hodgon's book is what I'm using IIRC, and it only went down to 100 or so.
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    « Reply #2 on: November 02, 2008, 03:32:16 am »
    Yes, since the 60s.   Like the M-1 Garand, you must use powder
    burn rates and bullets around 100 to 110 grains.   They will batter
    just like the Garand.   CMP has a good load using Winchester powder
    and Remington SP bullets at around 2000 fps and is accurate in the
    majority of my carbines.   I also have used 110 and 2400 powder.
    Love the explosive effect of the Hornady 100gr half jacket round
    loaded anywhere around the above velocity or just under it.   The
    Remington SP is good all around expander.   Stick to round nose
    for reliable feeding, and avoid the FMJ for anything except paper.
    The Win. powder I believe 296  ( the one listed in CMP info.) also
    very good and clean burning.

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    « Reply #3 on: November 02, 2008, 05:04:55 pm »
    Yes, since the 60s.   Like the M-1 Garand, you must use powder
    burn rates and bullets around 100 to 110 grains.   They will batter
    just like the Garand.   CMP has a good load using Winchester powder
    and Remington SP bullets at around 2000 fps and is accurate in the
    majority of my carbines.   I also have used 110 and 2400 powder.
    Love the explosive effect of the Hornady 100gr half jacket round
    loaded anywhere around the above velocity or just under it.   The
    Remington SP is good all around expander.   Stick to round nose
    for reliable feeding, and avoid the FMJ for anything except paper.
    The Win. powder I believe 296  ( the one listed in CMP info.) also
    very good and clean burning.

    Oohrah- What do you mean "will batter just like the Garand"?  I know you can damage gas guns by exposing the gas system to higher pressures than it was designed for (hence the importance of powder burn rate and of bullet weight).  Do you mean something along these lines, or is there  yet another pitfall to watch out for?

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    « Reply #4 on: November 03, 2008, 01:00:37 am »
    Yes, I have seen a couple of slides crack from hot loads.  All these
    semi autos are designed to certain specs, and enough rounds, say
    at higher pressure with springs and gas amount design to work at
    certain levels creates pounding or stresses on these firearms.
    Firearms can be tweaked some in the case of Garands by an adjust-
    able gas cylinder plug as does the M-14 and the cyclic rate of the
    BAR.   Follow the loading data and don't get creative, and you will
    have a bunch of touble free fun.   Have one very nice Winnie from
    the DCM days, and four service grade of various mgfs.   Got enough
    components for another 500 loads of the suggested CMP loads.
    They are a fun rifle to play with.   Thankful I picked up a few thou
    spent brass years back when very few reloaded as milsurp was so
    cheap!!!!!

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    Re: Anyone load for 30 Carbine?
    « Reply #5 on: November 04, 2008, 08:55:00 am »
    I did a little snooping around and have heard good things about the Lee 120 grain .308 bullet mould.  As far as brass, boy like everything else I wish I'd bought even a year ago!  Brass alone is now up to over 20 cents each plus shipping.  For 29 cents each I could buy a bunch of Georgia Arms FMJs loaded ammo and get my reloading brass by shooting their remanufactured (I think it's reloaded, maybe the load from new components not sure) ammo.  If I order ahead I could pick it up at their table at the next gun show and save the shipping.  May have to think about that...

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    « Reply #6 on: November 05, 2008, 02:08:37 pm »
    I got a can full of FMJ 110 rounds from Georgia Arms. I got a couple of M1 Carbines from the CMP and really enjoy shooting this little carbine. I loaded some 110 grain Hornady RN with 12.5, 12.8, 13.1, 13.3 and 13.6 grains of 2400.

    The 12.5 grains yielded 1800 fps and were quite accurate. The 13.1 and 13.6 grains yielded 1850 and 1900 fps respectively.

    I've pretty much settled on 13.1 grains of the 2400, cases trimed to 1.280", CCI 400 primers, and O.A.L. of 1.678". I bought some JSP 110 bullets from Graf & Sons and will use Alliant 2400 to load some with 12.5, 12.8 and 13.1 grains of the 2400.
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    « Reply #7 on: November 05, 2008, 04:15:32 pm »
    Yes, I have seen a couple of slides crack from hot loads.  All these
    semi autos are designed to certain specs, and enough rounds, say
    at higher pressure with springs and gas amount design to work at
    certain levels creates pounding or stresses on these firearms.
    Firearms can be tweaked some in the case of Garands by an adjust-
    able gas cylinder plug as does the M-14 and the cyclic rate of the
    BAR.   Follow the loading data and don't get creative, and you will
    have a bunch of touble free fun.   Have one very nice Winnie from
    the DCM days, and four service grade of various mgfs.   Got enough
    components for another 500 loads of the suggested CMP loads.
    They are a fun rifle to play with.   Thankful I picked up a few thou
    spent brass years back when very few reloaded as milsurp was so
    cheap!!!!!

    Stop, you're making me jealous!  Could I ask you to shoot me a PM or something if you ever decide you'd be interested in selling or trading some of that brass?  I got boolits to trade...

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    Re: Anyone load for 30 Carbine?
    « Reply #8 on: November 12, 2008, 01:49:55 am »
    MidwayUSA has a full selection of new brass (not cheap).  I'm glad I bought mine a few years back.

    I run H110 under some 110Gr soft points at 1900fps. AMAZING round.
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    « Reply #9 on: November 22, 2008, 08:08:46 am »
    Ordered the dies and case length gauge, some 110 grain FMJs, and a 120 grain .308 mould for cast boolits yesterday.  I still have probably 3 or so weeks before the CMP ships the carbine (tap tap tap tap tapping foot) but I'll be pretty ready to jump into shooting it and reloading for it once it arrives.

    I went ahead and ordered a Garand M1 also and the 30-06 dies, too, although with the CMP's 30-60 day processing times it might not ship until after the next administration is in office.
    For brass, about the best deal around I've found is Blue Star Brass somewhere in Arkansas.  If you have an FFL03 they will give you dealer pricing, and their prices on once-fired brass aren't bad to begin with!

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    « Reply #10 on: November 28, 2008, 04:00:42 pm »
    Xsquidgator I don't think you will regret your purchases.  CMP also has
    the mexican 30 Carb ammo, but seems a little high.  The best buy besides
    the rifles, is their Greek and US milsurp 30-06 ammo.   GOOD STUFF :clap
    Postage has gone up some, but last ordered was about $.30 a round.
    Looks like 110 gr Remington SP bullets are on back order at Midway!   Hope
    this trend is temporary :banghead

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    « Reply #11 on: November 28, 2008, 06:14:47 pm »
    Oorah-
    It arrived on Tuesday and I can't wait to shoot it.  I ended up buying 500 110FMJ loaded rounds from Georgia Arms, and will pick it up at the local gun show tomorrow (pick it up at the show and save shipping).  Comes out to 30 cents or so per round but I'll add the brass from this to the little bit I have now.  Got a bag of 250 110FMJ bullets too.  Now to get some H110 (W296) or IMR4227 powder and I'm ready to reload.  My 120 grain boolit mould arrived also but I haven't cast any yet.

    Those carbines are cool little guns!  When I pulled it out of the box my wife asked me if it was a toy!  In fact I can hold it in one hand like an oversized pistol, just as someone had told me you can do.  Range reports to follow once I try it out...  my dad was making noises about "borrowing" it, I think I will just have to get another one for him (eventually that means I'd have two, that's cool).

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    Re: Anyone load for 30 Carbine?
    « Reply #12 on: December 01, 2008, 08:53:35 pm »
    One good load is 14.5 grains of W296, CCI #450 magnum SR primers, and 110FMJ.  OAL 1.630".  Goes 1925 fps and groups as well or better than the other loads of W296 I tried.  W296 is right next to H110 on the burn rate chart and is easier to find than H110.

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    « Reply #13 on: December 22, 2008, 03:14:40 am »
      For paper punching it's a good to go load.   To double your fun for
    other things, I use either soft nose jacketed or one of Hornadys or
    Speer's half jacketed, 100 grainers.   I fact I no longer use FMJ

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    « Reply #14 on: December 22, 2008, 08:46:40 am »
      For paper punching it's a good to go load.   To double your fun for
    other things, I use either soft nose jacketed or one of Hornadys or
    Speer's half jacketed, 100 grainers.   I fact I no longer use FMJ

    I'm still looking for the cheapest soft-point bullets in the 100-110 grain range that I can find for that.  I got the FMJs because they were cheap (10 cents each) and I thought a bag of 250 would be good for load development and plinking. 

    What I'm really looking forward to is experimenting with some cast bullets.  I made a bunch of 120 grain round noses this weekend and will soon get around to working up some loads with those.  I'll be pleased if I can get them up to the 1300-1500 fps range without leading problems (like I've done with other gas gun lead bullet loads like the SKS).  Totally going in the dark here though, well almost.  None of my reloading guides have M1 Carbine lead bullet loads in them, and my Lyman Cast Bullet Reloading guide only has revolver 30 Carbine loads (not using W296).  I'll start by looking at the 120 grain jacketed bullet data and just reduce the loads by  maybe 20% to start with, then work up to a decent velocity.

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    « Reply #15 on: January 08, 2009, 08:14:44 am »
    Encouraging signs.  Here is a load that I think will work well:
    13.5 grains W296 under 120 grain lead cast bullet.  IIRC COL was 1.600".  Clocked these at about 1840 fps in my Inland carbine last weekend.  Using homemade gas checks (about 0.3cc of cream of wheat filler on top of the powder), got no leading at all.

    I need to find a .308" sizing die I think, because these rounds did jam up and fail to feed, I think because of the bullet getting stuck in the chamber, but I'm not sure.  Either that or try a little longer COL, but once I figure out and fix the jamming issue, this is a great load, looks to have good accuracy.  And can't beat the cost of casting my own bullets too.

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