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Am I Just Gear Crazy?
« on: March 13, 2011, 09:06:16 am »
I don't know if I need one, but I really really want a Dillon system.

Right now, I load .40S&W (with the option of 10mm) and .223Rem on my Lee Classic Turret press. It was my first one, and it a lot easier and faster than a single stage, though I can and do use it as a single stage sometimes. I learned a lot on it, and have no intention of getting rid of it.

But it's not fast enough. I'm getting maybe 100rds an hour out of it when I really get in the groove. There's just so much dexterity involved that I gotta take breaks or my hands will kill me.

I've been looking at Dillon 650 videos all night, and having really dirty thoughts. I need to go to confession for these impure feelings.

My thought is that I can use my tax refund (which should be sizeable) and get a 650 with most, if not all the bells and whistles. I'll use that for bulk handgun ammo, mostly 9mm and .40, maybe .223 plinking ammo. High volume type stuff.

The Lee still has a place: low volume, precision type loading. I'm getting into 300 Blackout, which being so new, there's almost no load data available for. I'm going to have to work up my own loads; at least two but probably three different loadings eventually. There, the Lee will be just fine. I also plan, eventually, to start reloading military loads for 30.06 for my Garand, since commercial is prohibitively expensive and over pressure for my rifle. I have plenty of other fun ideas for loadings that the slower press will be good for.

So do I just want a cool new toy, or have a provided enough justification for getting a cool new toy?
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    Re: Am I Just Gear Crazy?
    « Reply #1 on: March 13, 2011, 11:14:12 am »
    Do it! Since when do we here at we the armed ever tell people NOT to buy cool new kit???  :clap
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    « Reply #2 on: March 13, 2011, 03:03:29 pm »
    Go get it.  Well worth the money for the time saved. 
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    Re: Am I Just Gear Crazy?
    « Reply #3 on: March 13, 2011, 03:18:55 pm »
    If you have enough money to put together dedicated tool heads for each caliber(I'm assuming you have a dedicated bulk practice load for each caliber), I'd say go for it.  I can put together on average 600 r.p.h.  A solid winter day can give me enough ammo to keep me shooting all year. 
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    « Reply #4 on: March 13, 2011, 04:51:14 pm »
    Bless you son,  these are not impure thoughts.  

    This is simply a manifestation of efficiency for one worthy, one who has trod the path of single stage and turret.  
    You have proven yourself worthy of taking the next step along the path of reloading enlightenment.  

    Get the Dillon.  It's time.  Go in peace and shoot some more.  

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    « Reply #5 on: March 13, 2011, 05:07:06 pm »
    Yeah, I can do different tool heads.

    Great bunch of enablers you guys are! :neener
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    « Reply #6 on: March 13, 2011, 09:27:37 pm »
    I've been seriously considering a second 650.  Keep one set up for large primers, and the other for small.  With the toolheads pre-set up(including a powder measure), caliber swaps are 2 minutes tops.  And that 600 per hour figure I quoted is easily beaten, I just don't.  That pace lets me watch everything as it happens with ease.  Spring for several primer tubes, and the low primer alarm.  You'd be amazed how fast you burn through them when you're up and running smooth.   
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    « Reply #7 on: March 13, 2011, 11:01:25 pm »
    I've been seriously considering a second 650.  Keep one set up for large primers, and the other for small.  With the toolheads pre-set up(including a powder measure), caliber swaps are 2 minutes tops.  And that 600 per hour figure I quoted is easily beaten, I just don't.  That pace lets me watch everything as it happens with ease.  Spring for several primer tubes, and the low primer alarm.  You'd be amazed how fast you burn through them when you're up and running smooth.   

    Yeah. I'm planning on their 4-pack of small primer tubes, since I don't load for anything with large primers right now. I have large primer capability on my Lee, so if I buy a 10mm gun and need ammo tomorrow, I can do it.

    I've loaded a handfull of .45 on a friend's 650, and components do go quick.
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    « Reply #8 on: March 14, 2011, 12:14:06 am »
    Powder baffles or the low powder sensor is a choice as well.  The former will keep powder charges a touch more consistent, the latter is one more piece of insurance against squibs.
    This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty. . . . The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction- St. George Tucker, Blackstone's Commentaries

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    « Reply #9 on: March 14, 2011, 07:58:18 am »
    So do I just want a cool new toy, or have a provided enough justification for getting a cool new toy?

    Get it.  You know you will shoot more if you can reload more, that's all the justification you need right there.
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    « Reply #10 on: March 14, 2011, 01:18:05 pm »
    Let me know how it goes on those loads for your M-1.  Definitely interested in that.



    I googled a picture of this rig, and it looks awfully complicated!
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    « Reply #11 on: March 14, 2011, 03:29:09 pm »
    It will be a while before I start loading 30.06. I'll have my hands full with my current loading for a while.

    The press looks complicated because it does everything but feed bullets. They way I set it up initially, I just have to load it up with components, place bullets on charged cases and pull the handle. A bullet feeder will likely come later, but not at first.
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    « Reply #12 on: March 14, 2011, 03:44:58 pm »
    I googled a picture of this rig, and it looks awfully complicated!

    Yes, it does look complicated. By taking one step at a time, setting up the first position and getting it right, then setting the second position and getting it right, etc. it works out pretty well.  Dillon makes a good product, and their customer service is really, really good.
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    « Reply #13 on: March 15, 2011, 02:24:49 am »
    I've been looking around Craigslist, Gunbroker, ebay, forums, etc. NO ONE is selling their 650's. With ammo prices where they are, I can't blame them. So I know I'm gonna have to buy new.

    So the next question is how do I go about buying this whole setup? Are there good enough deals out there that I should buy components individually, or just buy the whole thing at once. My local gun pusher is a Dillon dealer, and I'd like to give them the business, but if I can save money somewhere else, or multiple places, I'll do it. We're talking about $1000-1200 worth of gear according to the Dillon site, so if I can knock that down a bit, I want to. The less it costs me, the less ammo I have to load before I make up the cost.

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    « Reply #14 on: March 15, 2011, 09:19:30 pm »
    Tell your local guys straight up then.  Make a list of exactly what you want, then tell them I want X as a package deal.    What's your OTD price on this package I've put together? 

    It should be cheaper as an all-in-one purchase too. Given fuel prices, shipping is going up.  Shipping from multiple sources is always a headache, and most likely more expensive.
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    « Reply #15 on: April 02, 2011, 08:12:29 pm »
    I got it. It's awesome. I'm forcing myself to stop loading for a bit to eat. Gotta go. I'm not out of primers yet.
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