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30/30
« on: October 21, 2009, 03:48:58 am »
I found a 30/30 Marlin, in good shape at an estate sale a few years ago, bought it and gave it to my son.
Now, he decided the ballistics of the standard round sucked, so he started loading 180 gr Ballistic tips, {as opposed to the 230 gr flat tip) (not the new soft (Lever-revolution) plastic, the original stuff).
He loads one in the chamber and one in the tube Magazine, and is good to go.
He has killed several deer since I gave it to him, and he is quite pleased.
I don't know his load formula, but this whole thing gave me an idea:
I have a Contender.
I searched for a couple of months, and found a 14 inch 30/30 barrel with target sights. I may go to a 2 power pistol scope. .
I am loading the 150 Gr Nosler Ballistic Tip, with 30.5 gr or Varget.
I put together about 50 rds, and now am oging to cook up the same bullet with H335, to see how tight at 150 -250 yds I can get. 250 is about max.
Anyone loading for Mule deer or bear in this caliber with spire tip bullets?
150-180 gr bullet.

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    Re: 30/30
    « Reply #1 on: October 26, 2009, 11:55:45 pm »
    I haven't been, but here's something to think on before pursuing this:

    Those spire tips are designed for much higher velocities than the 30-30 can do, and that short barrel handicaps you even farther.

    That being said, I note that H335 has been EXTREMELY  accurate in all of my 30-30's, and usually close to the top velocity wise.  So what we have here is a reason for you to test this out over the chrono, on paper, as well as wet newsprint and report back to us. ;)

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    Re: 30/30
    « Reply #2 on: October 31, 2009, 12:45:57 am »
    The Norse is right... Especially with 180's.  They are designed for faster flight for full expansion.  With that short barrel... what do you think your velocity is? 

    Hey Norse, remember that Machine Gun Shoot up at The Bowl area?  We shot my 16 inch .30-30 over the Chrono...  160 grain LEVERevolutions were only moving at like 2250 FPS.  A regular spire point would have a hard time opening up fully.  I killed an elk with that at 200 yards - finishing off a wounded animal with DOW's permission - and it killed it right there on the spot.  But that bullet is designed for lower velocities.

    Try something more fun like the 110 V-Max or maybe the 130 grain SP... those should kick it up a notch and give good results from chopping it down. 
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    Re: 30/30
    « Reply #3 on: October 31, 2009, 02:27:30 am »
    Yes, I do remember that.  That contender now, with the short barrel and a powder on the faster side of things with a slug at or under 150 grains ought to be capable of some neat stuff.  The ballistic tip types that all but grenade at magnum velocities should preform well at the lower 30-30 speeds.  But I'd steer clear of the slugs on the tougher end of construction.

    There is nothing wrong with whats being attempted here at all, we just have to remember physics are physics.  No way around them.
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    Re: 30/30
    « Reply #4 on: October 31, 2009, 09:53:40 am »
    Since I've got a 30-30 as well, what's a good recipe for reloading?  I know Hankpac is trying one out, but how about a good overall recipe for a standard Marlin 336c or equivalent.  I figure all of the  barrel lengths are going to be about the same.
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    Re: 30/30
    « Reply #5 on: October 31, 2009, 08:54:32 pm »
    Steve, in all six 30-30's I've tried it in, a max charge of H335(as listed on the bottles label) under a Sierra 150 FP has proven VERY accurate and near the top velocity wise as well.

    The standard start low and work up applies here.  And you have a Marlin, all mine are Winchesters, so I may be giving you a load that Marlins don't like.
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    Re: 30/30
    « Reply #6 on: November 07, 2009, 02:51:39 pm »
    Just to re-state the parameters, 150 Gr Nosler Ballistic tip, 14 inch barrel, open sights.
    I have both H335 (my favorite .223 powder) and Varget.
    I haven't gone to shoot yet, so I don't know what this will Chrony.
    I have loaded 50 rds with 30 grains Varget. This is the base load, not even middle. I just need to see how it groups, how it expands, and how it bucks.
    I have shot with a 14 inch 7 TCU (120 and 140 gr NBT), but I don't think this will be comparable, I am sure it will have some more power so more muzzle jump.
    When I get a chance to chrony I will post the results.
    My goal is to shoot mule deer, and possibly black bear with this 30/30.
    At 100 yds or less (I am an archer, so close is not unusual, usually 35 yds or less) I don't think the short barrel will be a handicap. I think most shots will be right around 50 yds. Still plenty of speed at that range.
    Thanks for the posts so far.

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    Re: 30/30
    « Reply #7 on: November 07, 2009, 04:34:53 pm »
    You do realize you can't have a rifle stock on that contender with that super 14 barrel, right?  Big Federal no-no. 

    And, since you are going to work with the H335, I'd use the loads they publish, and I STRONGLY suggest a magnum primer with that powder for consistent ignition.
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    Re: 30/30 in a Contender
    « Reply #8 on: November 19, 2009, 07:45:24 pm »
    No prob on the stock. I don't even have a long stock for it.
    My most useful format for this is the 14" Barrel, and hand grip. Strictly hand cannon.
    The goal is to reduce weight, and to still have a firearm while archery hunting elk.
    In Oregon, while archery hunting we are allowed to carry any firearm, and I use this for Bear, and mountain lion. I carry the tags since I am out there a lot, and have happened on bear many many times. I don't mind sticking a bear with an arrow, BTW, (just to anticipate the comment) but if he is out at 100 to 200 yds, I don't want to pass up a nice plump one.
    Back to the load: I am using Winchester large rifle not magnum primers, so I will watch ignitioin over the first 100 rds, then reload with magnum if I need it.
    I am using the lowest load specified, for Varget, since I need some controlability. If I see I can deal with it, (two handed, rested) then I can up the charge a bit.
    Thanks for the comments.

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    Re: 30/30
    « Reply #9 on: November 20, 2009, 09:26:11 am »
    Have you got access to a chrono?  Given what you're doing, the things a chrono can tell you are actually critical info if you intend to shoot this load at live game.
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    Re: 30/30
    « Reply #10 on: December 14, 2009, 04:21:55 pm »
    Sorry for the delay, I have been in Hawaii.
    Anyway, Yes I do have a Shooting Chrony. I use it quite a bit, so I will definitely check out my speeds.
    I won't do this until I go to Texas, Next month, but will wring out the load, and if available will see about some magnum primers.
    I have target open sights on this right now, so my usual grip, with the left hand draped over the scope, won't apply. I hope this is controllable rested on a sand bag.

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