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30-06 loads
« on: August 02, 2010, 09:48:49 am »
I made a Cabelas order this morning. Lee 30-06 dies and Nosler 30 cal 168 grain all copper e-tips. Out of my Rem 700 I was gonna go with IMR 4350 for the powder. Any suggestions you guys can make would be appreciated.
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    Re: 30-06 loads
    « Reply #1 on: August 02, 2010, 10:14:33 am »
    Data for other bullets will not transfer to the E-Tip.  Even start loads will likely be too much. 

    The Nosler bullets are pretty new and the hunting I do (in combination with the rifles I use) seldom requires anything but standard cup & core bullets.

    I will scout around and see what I can find.  Have you tried Noslers website. They were pretty good about posting data for new bullets.  They keep changing the site on me...

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    Re: 30-06 loads
    « Reply #2 on: August 02, 2010, 10:39:47 am »
    You've stepped in it good here.  There is no data that anywhere that will safely transfer to the e-tip.  They are simply too long.  Add to that the long bearing surface, solid copper shank (curiously missing relief bands) and the best handloader would be hard pressed to work up a safe max load for these.  

    But I think we can do this... Hang on.

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    Alright, here is the deal.  I think you can make this work, but performance is going to be less like a 30-06 and more like a weak .308.  The good news is, I don't think you're in any danger of doing damage to the gun or yourself.  
    You should be able to seat the bullet to standard 30-06 length and load and load IMR 4350 to the base of the bullet with no issue at all.  Once you start compressing powder you'll be close to max.  Copper bullets have a tendency to spike pressures, pushing for that last 75-100 fps isn't something I'd recommend in your place. Start at 50 grains.

    « Last Edit: August 02, 2010, 11:13:45 am by only1asterisk »

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    Re: 30-06 loads
    « Reply #3 on: August 03, 2010, 12:06:03 pm »
    I have not checked around, and do not have these new copper bullets.  For the uninitiated like myself, where do you find data if it exists?  Nosler?

    I'm happy with the 165JSP load I've worked up for 30-06 and don't yet plan on changing bullets, but someday ...

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    Re: 30-06 loads
    « Reply #4 on: August 03, 2010, 05:47:30 pm »
    I have not checked around, and do not have these new copper bullets.  For the uninitiated like myself, where do you find data if it exists?  Nosler?

    I'm happy with the 165JSP load I've worked up for 30-06 and don't yet plan on changing bullets, but someday ...

    There is no pressure tested data published that I could find.  The 168 ETip is excessively long.  It is as long as the Barnes 180 XBT (where I got the start load incidentally, AA manual).  Pressure with IMR 4350 should be fine until you start compressing the powder (and in all probability beyond, but there is no data).  Differences in the weight, design and material prevent even a guess at MAX. 

    Please seat the ETip well off the lands.  .050" is what Barnes recommends.  This should be easy with the ETips long ogive. 

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    Re: 30-06 loads
    « Reply #5 on: August 04, 2010, 02:00:19 am »
    Since the red alert has already been raised, I'll add only these 2 points-

    1.  4350, either H or IMR should be great for that slug weight, IF

    2. You call Nosler direct and get good hard charge weight data.

    O1A is right, given it's unconventional design, error on the side of caution.

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    Re: 30-06 loads
    « Reply #6 on: August 13, 2010, 09:46:48 pm »
    I got the info from Nosler. 57 grains of H4350. 3" group off the tailgate. I loaded up 15 and thats what I'm going with.
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    Re: 30-06 loads
    « Reply #7 on: August 13, 2010, 10:16:10 pm »
    I got the info from Nosler. 57 grains of H4350. 3" group off the tailgate. I loaded up 15 and thats what I'm going with.

    Is that start, or max?

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    Re: 30-06 loads
    « Reply #8 on: August 13, 2010, 11:16:26 pm »
    Three inches at 100 yards?  Not horrid, but not great either.  Hopefully it'll do better of a bench on a serious range trip.

    Two questions-

    1.  What scope?

    2.  Any chrono data?
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    Re: 30-06 loads
    « Reply #9 on: August 14, 2010, 12:01:07 am »
    No crono, bushnell 3x9.
    I'm just lookin to fill the freezer not drive tacks.
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