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Activism and Gun Politics / Re: Second Amendment Rights of 18-to-20-Year-Olds
« Last post by Plebian on July 15, 2021, 11:49:26 am »
If 18 is the age at which you are an adult. Then why would you need a parental signature?

They are either adults or they are not. That is the entire point of having an age of majority.

If not making bad decisions was set as the bar to adulthood. Then I only know about 5 adults, and there would be a ton of elderly children.
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Activism and Gun Politics / Re: Second Amendment Rights of 18-to-20-Year-Olds
« Last post by booksmart on July 15, 2021, 09:52:17 am »

I agree they brains aren't baked yet.  I disagree that this should be a requirement to exercise the right to life/defense of life.  But even if that were the goal, the rules should be the opposite what they are now.  They should ONLY be able to buy a handgun from an FFL where they have to comply with all those rigors, including background check.


Fair point.  How do you feel about adding parental signoff on the purchase?
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Handguns / Re: Snubby
« Last post by booksmart on July 15, 2021, 09:49:39 am »
Oh, wait, you were talking about the Chiappa Rhino, weren't you?

Sorry, no, I haven't felt one of those... never seen one in the wild.
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Activism and Gun Politics / Re: Second Amendment Rights of 18-to-20-Year-Olds
« Last post by coelacanth on July 14, 2021, 04:54:58 pm »
My kids call it being a "provisional adult".  Re-enforced by having a "provisional" CFP.

And while I hear what booksmart is saying, the reason this doesn't hold up, IMHO is that it is not illegal for them to own a handgun, or even buy a handgun. It is illegal for an FFL to sell them a handgun.  In other words, as long as they don't get a background check, it's fine.

I agree they brains aren't baked yet.  I disagree that this should be a requirement to exercise the right to life/defense of life.  But even if that were the goal, the rules should be the opposite what they are now.  They should ONLY be able to buy a handgun from an FFL where they have to comply with all those rigors, including background check.

As it is, this panel got it right.  If you are legally an adult then you should be an adult.  Drink, shoot, screw, smoke.  Just don't be stupid about it.

Since I am on the soap box, I will further say that we turn kids into responsible adults not be shielding them from adult decisions and choices, but by exposing them to those choices and helping them gain experience in a controlled environment.  You gotta mix the fruit into the jello BEFORE it sets, otherwise it sits on top and is hard to manage.
Agreed.  On all counts. 

Mostly because once you spend a fair amount of time around people in that age bracket you realize their brains still aren't fully gelled yet, and that bad decisions still run rampant.

If that is the critical factor in determining who gets to make that decision a compelling argument can be made that those currently exercising that power have failed their own test of reason. 
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General Non-Firearms Discussion / Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
« Last post by coelacanth on July 14, 2021, 04:48:46 pm »
No worries.  That grin on your face in the two that were posted tells us all we need to know.   :cool
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Handguns / Re: Snubby
« Last post by coelacanth on July 14, 2021, 04:46:10 pm »
I haven't actually fired rounds through one but dry firing through a simulated cylinder full ( approved by the shop owner in advance ) let me get a good feel for what the action was doing.  As a practical matter the lower bore axis and grip design might attenuate enough recoil to offset the trigger pull - so in that case a purely objective opinion could call it a wash.  In the real world my experience with crappy revolver triggers suggests otherwise.   If I were going to drop serious coin on a less common wheel gun I might opt for one of the new Kimber models.   :coffee

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Activism and Gun Politics / Re: Second Amendment Rights of 18-to-20-Year-Olds
« Last post by sqlbullet on July 14, 2021, 12:43:49 pm »
My kids call it being a "provisional adult".  Re-enforced by having a "provisional" CFP.

And while I hear what booksmart is saying, the reason this doesn't hold up, IMHO is that it is not illegal for them to own a handgun, or even buy a handgun. It is illegal for an FFL to sell them a handgun.  In other words, as long as they don't get a background check, it's fine.

I agree they brains aren't baked yet.  I disagree that this should be a requirement to exercise the right to life/defense of life.  But even if that were the goal, the rules should be the opposite what they are now.  They should ONLY be able to buy a handgun from an FFL where they have to comply with all those rigors, including background check.

As it is, this panel got it right.  If you are legally an adult then you should be an adult.  Drink, shoot, screw, smoke.  Just don't be stupid about it.

Since I am on the soap box, I will further say that we turn kids into responsible adults not be shielding them from adult decisions and choices, but by exposing them to those choices and helping them gain experience in a controlled environment.  You gotta mix the fruit into the jello BEFORE it sets, otherwise it sits on top and is hard to manage.
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Activism and Gun Politics / Re: Second Amendment Rights of 18-to-20-Year-Olds
« Last post by booksmart on July 14, 2021, 09:18:03 am »
Mostly because once you spend a fair amount of time around people in that age bracket you realize their brains still aren't fully gelled yet, and that bad decisions still run rampant.
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Handguns / Re: Snubby
« Last post by booksmart on July 14, 2021, 09:08:38 am »
Really?   Have you tried the trigger on one of those?     :shocked

Yeah.  I've found the tininess of the grip to be more of a hindrance than the trigger, which is still a little gritty from the factory, but not overly heavy.
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Handguns / Re: Snubby
« Last post by RMc on July 13, 2021, 11:54:37 pm »
Effectively running a DA trigger is fast becoming a lost art.

Perhaps the most often overlooked aspect is using the first distal joint to pull the trigger.   This gives much greater leverage in managing the long, heavier trigger stroke. 

This also means the trigger reach has to closely match the size of the hand.  Indeed, "back in the day," the FBI was forced to approve the smaller Colt D frame revolvers for female agents in order to accomodate their smaller hand size.

Also, forget the now popular "thumbs forward" two handed grip.  Use the stronger "traditional" thumbs down grip - weak hand thumb over strong hand thumb. This also keeps your week hand thumb behind the cylinder gap on small revolvers.
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