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Title: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Stevie-Ray on April 16, 2009, 07:24:20 pm
I once tried a jagerbomb
I got pretty wasted on those at a bachelor party a few years ago. You know what the beauty of those is? Certainly not the delicious nature of them. ::)  No hangover at all. Guess it's a nice benefit of the Red Bull, cuz I doubt very much it has anything to do with Jagermeister.
Title: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FluffyHitman on April 16, 2009, 10:40:51 pm
I guess that would explain why I see Jagermeister shirts and bumper stickers all over campus. Get wasted one night, go to class the next without having the sun be too loud.

Or maybe it is the price, is it cheap?
Title: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Irwin on April 16, 2009, 11:49:41 pm
I wouldnt say its cheap here in the clubs its about £3 for a shot, as for the hangover thing I'm lucky enough still at 19 to not get them except when I mix drinks back and forth, im fine if I start with pints then finish with shots but keep going back and forth and I'm like a grizzly with a chainsaw in his mouth come the morning!
 Tbh jag is nice but a mit meh I can spend £3 on a pint and it last longer and I dont get hammered to quickly, though at least when folk mix it with coke you can taste it, unlike vodka whats the point if you cant taste it :hide

  Do you Americans drink alot of alcopops like bacardi breezers? Not a big fan myself, unless they do 3 for £6 them Im over them like a rash :neener
Title: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on April 17, 2009, 12:28:36 am
I guess that would explain why I see Jagermeister shirts and bumper stickers all over campus. Get wasted one night, go to class the next without having the sun be too loud.

Or maybe it is the price, is it cheap?

Its mid-grade as far as liquer goes. I must be the oddball because Jager certainly leaves me hungover. I barely drink any liquor anymore, though, so any hard booze leave me hurtin. A friend bought me a Long Island Iced Tea (without asking what I'd like to drink. I hate that) a few weeks ago and I felt like crap for the rest of the next day.
Title: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: GeorgeHill on April 17, 2009, 12:40:42 am
Jagermeister is just flat out nasty.  I hate that stuff.  Can't stand the smell even. 
Title: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FluffyHitman on April 17, 2009, 01:36:33 am
I wouldnt say its cheap here in the clubs its about £3 for a shot, as for the hangover thing I'm lucky enough still at 19 to not get them except when I mix drinks back and forth, im fine if I start with pints then finish with shots but keep going back and forth and I'm like a grizzly with a chainsaw in his mouth come the morning!
 Tbh jag is nice but a mit meh I can spend £3 on a pint and it last longer and I dont get hammered to quickly, though at least when folk mix it with coke you can taste it, unlike vodka whats the point if you cant taste it :hide

  Do you Americans drink alot of alcopops like bacardi breezers? Not a big fan myself, unless they do 3 for £6 them Im over them like a rash :neener
Huh, I had always heard you were supposed to drink the hard stuff and then the beer, not vice versa.

Alcopops? Like the Irn-Bru with alcohol in? I don't think we get that kind of stuff here. Even Irn-Bru is hard enough to find (FDA dislikes it because the orange dye includes carcinogens, have to order it online or get it at a celtic shop).
Title: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Irwin on April 17, 2009, 02:12:21 am
Huh, I had always heard you were supposed to drink the hard stuff and then the beer, not vice versa.

Alcopops? Like the Irn-Bru with alcohol in? I don't think we get that kind of stuff here. Even Irn-Bru is hard enough to find (FDA dislikes it because the orange dye includes carcinogens, have to order it online or get it at a celtic shop).
Its what I've allways been tough something to do with the escelation of alcohol for example 1 is beer/cider then 2 is wine/ winy type things then 3 is alcopops then 4 is harder spirts and shots. The idea is that once you go past a number you cant go back to it works for me 90% of the time the other 10% it goes well till I start seeing different drinks for cheaper than normall, what can I say I like a bargin  :devillol

Alcopops is just like Irn-Bru with vodka, but generally its cheap nasty vodka with a bit of colouring and flavour that makes it like kiddies juice, not a real drink imo more for 12-17 yearolds. I love Irn-Bru!!!! The FDA dont like anything do they first haggis is inediable and now Irn-Bru, though I heard it was due to the cane sugar in it not the colourings, though it would explain why Irn-Bru is the only man made substance that can stain anything! and never quite come out.

George I'm with you on the taste of jag though to be fair though,I normally just throw it down my throat. My Belgium mate Kristof came over and was drinking with us and was drinking the stuff out a mug! needless to say he got the most drunk he has ever been, when he got back to Belgium he was still drunk! He also stuggeled with the ideas of pints as they normally drink just a half at a time.
Irwin
Title: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FluffyHitman on April 17, 2009, 02:38:19 am
Cane sugar shouldn't be a problem, we get that in some pops, though they are always the special ones that come in 12 ounce glass bottles and cost a lot.
Title: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on April 17, 2009, 02:13:02 pm
Beer before liquor, never been sicker.  Liquor before beer, you're in the clear.


-T.
Title: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Bo Smith on April 17, 2009, 02:42:59 pm
It's been a long time for me; but  as far as I know, those cheap, fruity alcha-pops (including Boone's Farm and wine coolers) are only used by high school boys to separate girls from their panties. Your results may vary.
Title: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on April 17, 2009, 02:44:45 pm
Never has there been a more efficient pry bar.  ;)


-T.
Title: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FluffyHitman on April 17, 2009, 03:14:44 pm
You mean besides a guitar, right?
Title: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on April 17, 2009, 03:59:20 pm
So what is this stuff Mad dog 20 20?  Does it also categorize with the aforementioned alcoholic beverages?
Title: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on April 17, 2009, 04:03:58 pm
It's a "street wine" usually sold in a plastic 2-liter bottle.  Purple in color.  It's actually called MD 20/20.  The MD stands for Mogen David.  "Mad Dog" is slang.


-T.


EDIT:  Here you go.  For all your street wine needs.

http://www.bumwine.com/ (http://www.bumwine.com/)
Title: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on April 17, 2009, 04:12:06 pm
So that is why screw caps are frowned upon in the "proper" wine culture?  I see.

Title: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on April 17, 2009, 04:53:24 pm
Not necessarily.  There are some very good wines with screw caps.


-T.
Title: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on April 17, 2009, 05:23:25 pm
No, I understand T.  Screw caps are better because they effectively seal oxygen from coming into contact with the wine.  I read that in the past, screw caps were associated with low end wines although that may not be the case today.
Title: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on April 17, 2009, 05:27:42 pm
Quote
Beer before liquor, never been sicker.  Liquor before beer, you're in the clear.

We always said, beer before liquor, never quicker.  :vomit  Liquor before beer never fear :partytime
Title: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on April 17, 2009, 05:29:15 pm
I feel guilty that this seemingly innocent Ice Cream thread has now turned into WTA's alcohol thread. :hide
Title: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Beamish on April 17, 2009, 05:39:56 pm
I feel guilty that this seemingly innocent Ice Cream thread has now turned into WTA's alcohol thread. :hide
Yeah.  Some Mod really should split this thread.

:whistle
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on April 17, 2009, 09:11:52 pm
be lazy Ask and ye shall receive.

Its Friday! Let the booze flow!
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on April 17, 2009, 09:37:07 pm
Beer-  If it's twist top, it ain't.

Wine-  If it's in a box, it ain't.

Vodka, bourbon, whiskey, and tequila('ta kill 'ya.  Nnaasssttyy stuff, regardless of brand. Blech :vomit) and other distilled spirits-  If it's in a plastic bottle it ain't.

If we're talkin' favorites now, give me a good whiskey, bourbon, or scotch. Like the bottle of Crown Royal XR I'm looking at right now on my entertainment center.  Hum.  Back in a moment or two.......
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on April 17, 2009, 09:40:28 pm
What are you drinking today?  Because I'm having water :banghead

California laws suck so much that I can't even purchase non-alcoholic beer (even though it would probably take me about a whole truck load to get drunk @ 0.05% ABV).
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on April 17, 2009, 09:47:33 pm
FMJ-

Easy man.  There will be plenty of  plenty of time to spend too much money on alcohol after you're old enough. 

Also-  While we are having fun with this thread, always remember alcohol is a fine servant, but one of the most cruel masters you could ever meet.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Irwin on April 17, 2009, 10:07:07 pm
The only time I have ever bought non-alcoholic beer, was when I mistaked it for regular becks didnt even taste good so I binned it. Irwin
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on April 17, 2009, 10:10:11 pm
I understand that Norseman, and I appreciate the concern.

My qualm is not being able to enjoy a fine ale, stout, lager, bock, hefeweizen, pilsner, marzen, etc. or wine with my meals.  Personally, the notion of becoming intoxicated does not appeal to me.  

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Irwin on April 17, 2009, 10:23:08 pm
Is there not a law in the us where your aloud to have a drink with your meal in a reastruant/pub from the age of 16 like we do over here? Seems very strange that you have to wait till your 21 when most of the world can from 16/18.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on April 17, 2009, 10:32:22 pm
Apparently there isn't.  I have tried to order N/A beer at restaurants before with no success. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Stevie-Ray on April 17, 2009, 10:38:47 pm
I guess that would explain why I see Jagermeister shirts and bumper stickers all over campus. Get wasted one night, go to class the next without having the sun be too loud.

Or maybe it is the price, is it cheap?
Jager sucks, might as well be drinking Nyquil. But you mix it with Red Bull for a Jagerbomb. Not tasty either, AFAIC, but it seems to prevent hangovers, at least it did me. It was my one and only exposure to either.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FluffyHitman on April 18, 2009, 01:10:14 am
According to this website http://www.alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/stateprofiles/StateProfie.asp (http://www.alcoholpolicy.niaaa.nih.gov/stateprofiles/StateProfie.asp) in California, consent of a parent makes possession of alcohol legal, and there are no laws against consumption of alcohol as a minor. Of course, most places people don't know the more complex details of the law, kind of like how everyone automatically associates carrying a gun with illegal, no matter what.

The laws over here are complicated, Irwin. Comes from the way the country is made up. More like Great Britain than England, more like the EU than either of those. A bunch of places with their own laws, cultures, and grudges, held together by an overarching government.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Irwin on April 18, 2009, 01:38:30 am
Actually the law isnt complicated, its quite simple in most things you do, lawyers just protray the law as a mind f*** so they make money.
FMJ maybe you should consider coming over to the UK when it time for uni? It is a bit expensive though, I'm pretty sure in Scotland we dont pay term fee's but they do in England, not sure how that works with Foreigners though. Depends what you want to study, the Dundee uni and Abertay (both in Dundee) are supposibly good for Science and Dundee its self is quite an up and coming place http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dundee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dundee) that way you get to explore and enjoy a foriegn culture and get to drink with out being persacuted by the state. Irwin
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FluffyHitman on April 18, 2009, 01:44:50 am
It isn't really that complicated, but it varies by state, so to know the laws for the country, you would have to know 50 (51?) different sets of laws, which is where it gets complicated.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on April 18, 2009, 02:30:19 am
Thanks for the invitation Irwin, but it looks like at this point Texas A&M appeals to me the most.


Quote
Possession is prohibited WITH THE FOLLOWING EXCEPTION(S):
  •  private location
  •  OR parent/guardian consent
  •  OR legal-age spouse

 
:woohoo
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Harm on April 22, 2009, 12:13:30 pm
When I was drinking (been about six years/seven years) I loved to ice my 8 ball glasses get them nice n frosty and the fill them two thirds up with Jack Daniels the best gorram drink.  PERIOD!  The best way to slowly relax, mellow out, socialize etc.  Course when i wanted to get wild I'd ice the bottle and drink the bottle!   :devillol  for the record I never drink and drove and I could walk home striaght. 

For the record, JD's from a Beer Bong = VERY BAD IDEA!

When I wasn't drinking JD's I loved Long Island Iced Tea Suicides.  Double the Alcohol! 

Never one for fruity drinks but I did like Mike's Hard Lemonade.  And yes it is a most effective pry bar.  Till college girls do it to you!   :doh
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: CameronS on April 22, 2009, 01:03:46 pm
Risking my man card again . . .

I don't drink. Nothing of it appeals to me. My father lived in Taiwan for a good portion of his childhood, and one thing he told me was that there is rotting garbage piled in the streets. When he came back to the States, he realized that beer smelled just like that garbage. Mmm-mm. Tasty.

And wine . . . I tried it once and choked.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on April 22, 2009, 04:47:30 pm
I don't drink. Nothing of it appeals to me.

That's not risking your man card.  It just shows you have more sense than I do.  ;)


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Harm on April 22, 2009, 04:49:31 pm
I can't fault anyone for not drinking.  :)  It's only after seeing the negative consequences of it that I chose to give it up.  I'm not an alchoholic I just have NO self control.  As in non, zip, nada!
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on April 22, 2009, 04:51:36 pm
We have that in common, Harm.  There is no such thing as ONE beer, eh?  ;)


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on April 22, 2009, 05:00:14 pm
That's not risking your man card.  It just shows you have more sense than I do.  ;)


-T.

And A LOT more sense than I do.

I'm almost exclusively a beer guy. I like Hefeweissens if they're on tap, but they're awful out of the bottle. Just don't taste the same. I used to drink liquor, but I found I can gauge my intoxication a lot better with beer, so I've lost almost all my tolerance for the hard stuff. Shots trigger my gag reflex. That's just fine with me.

I'm starting to get into wine. I found out a few weeks ago that Yellow Tail Merlot is quite tasty, and shortly thereafter, there was no more wine. I'm not a fan of the Chiraz. Something about the finish just doesn't strike me right.

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: GotBoomstick on April 22, 2009, 05:14:53 pm
I prefer a nicely chilled beer in a bottle and I prefer that beer to be a well crafted tasty beverage.  I'll drink a cheap beer on occasion but Pabst, Bud and Coors are not on my radar.  I like a beer during dinner as a way of chilling out and relaxing at the end of a day, nothing is better. :clap

Seems like youth and over indulgence in alcohol go hand in hand.  I drank a whole bottle of Jack Daniels one night at a bachelor party... I returned home on the roof of an SUV!
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Raptor on April 22, 2009, 05:19:26 pm
I too have chosen not to drink. It was a personal choice that I actually made relatively recently (shortly before I became legal).

Long story short, I found out that alcohol had really screwed up a part of my family: my grandfather (whom I have thankfully never met) was a drinker who beat his wife and kids, and my uncle (his son) had developed a drinking problem later in life as a result. I got to see firsthand the negative impact alcohol can have on a family, and it really scared the **** out of me.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Harm on April 22, 2009, 05:22:17 pm
Thern my problem was there's no such thing as 1 ANYTHING.  you throw a shot my way it'll disappear (much to the chagrine of my buddies  :devillol ) You had an eight ball, not anymore.  Beer, not my fav but whatever.  ;)  But if I tried drinking again now I'd probably get hammered on 1 beer.  Haven't had anything stronger than nyquil when I had the flu in about six/seven years.  Kind of lost it's attraction when you wake up wondering what you did the night before!   ;D  And I'm not sharing those stories.  


BTW hangovers are an easy fix.  Drink a MASSIVE glass of watever like forty ounces, after your done, then go to bed.  No trouble with hangovers regardless of what you've had to drink.   O0
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Deer Hunter on April 22, 2009, 05:54:42 pm
I don't like beer.

I enjoy wine on occasion.  A bottle of Chianti would last me years.  And I like Chianti.

I honestly don't think spending money on booze is smart, but then again I'll drop 100 bucks on ammo and not think twice.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FluffyHitman on April 22, 2009, 06:02:46 pm
Ammo smells better than booze, though. Doesn't seem dumb to me.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Deer Hunter on April 22, 2009, 06:09:02 pm
Yeah, and plus my girlfriend goes to sleep when she has any amount of alcohol.  But she loves it when I give her ammo.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FluffyHitman on April 22, 2009, 06:22:04 pm
It isn't polite to gloat, you know.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Deer Hunter on April 22, 2009, 06:25:30 pm
Then I wont mention what she doesn't need alcohol for.  >:D
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on April 22, 2009, 06:32:09 pm
Then I wont mention what she doesn't need alcohol for.  >:D

Shooting? I'm sure he meant shooting...
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: CameronS on April 22, 2009, 06:41:25 pm
Then I wont mention what she doesn't need alcohol for.  >:D

:censored you, :censored you, :censored you.

 :neener
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FluffyHitman on April 22, 2009, 06:59:05 pm
Then I wont mention what she doesn't need alcohol for.  >:D
Nolo, if sometime soon, something unpleasant were to happen to Deer Hunter, not saying you would have anything to do with it, but I would be very happy anyway.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on April 22, 2009, 07:03:29 pm
Ok folks.  Back to the booze.

I personally have been drinking more wine lately.  A good Pinot Noir with a rare steak is awesome.


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Stevie-Ray on April 22, 2009, 07:24:06 pm
Ever try Mad Dogs and Puppies with a tube steak? ;D
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Deer Hunter on April 22, 2009, 09:39:48 pm
Anyone seen this site?  Very informative.

http://bumwine.com/ (http://bumwine.com/)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: GeorgeHill on April 22, 2009, 10:38:49 pm
Being Mormon, I don't drink.


That being said... Being Jack Mormon, I prefer dark beers, Amber Bock and Wheat Beers, Ports, Bitters, Stouts, and Guiness.  I've not been drunk since '92 at a certain NCO club and wont do it again.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on April 22, 2009, 11:09:00 pm
Being Mormon, I don't drink.


That being said... Being Jack Mormon, I prefer dark beers, Amber Bock and Wheat Beers, Ports, Bitters, Stouts, and Guiness.  I've not been drunk since '92 at a certain NCO club and wont do it again.

CLASSIC!
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Deer Hunter on April 22, 2009, 11:53:36 pm
A note on alcoholism...

I've got it on both sides of my family.  My mother used to tell me stories about how she as a little girl would have to pull her mother's head out of her dinner plate.  She was from a rich family, country club alcoholism you would say.  Even today, my grandmother on that side, well it's pointless talking to her after 10 in the morning.   She's politely drunk by that point. Every day.  Alcohol, along with perscription drugs written up for himself (he was a doctor) screwed up her husband. But he's dead now, and that's a good thing. He was not a nice man.

My father can't handle booze at all. Two cheap beers and he turns into a dumbass.  My great grandfather on my father's side was a raging alcoholic as well.

I've seen my friends be complete idiots with booze (mixing Redline with Wild Turkey, now that was an interesting night but even funnier day after).  Hell right now I'm talking to my best friend who's down in houston completely s___faced on jim beam and an entire bottle of wine.  Then again, that happens pretty often.   Thankfully he's got a pretty hard gut for booze.

Let me just say this: even seeing the negative effects of it, I don't care one way or the other if someone drinks.  It's not drinking, but letting something like booze take hold and ruin you as a person that I despise.  But that could be with anything.  I don't mind if you shoot up black tar heroin on occasion, but if it becomes an addiction then it's a bad thing.

I don't drink much because 1) I only like really expensive stuff and 2) I'd rather spend money on other things. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on April 23, 2009, 12:33:40 am
Anyone seen this site?  Very informative.

http://bumwine.com/ (http://bumwine.com/)

Duuuude... post #13.  :scrutiny


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: CameronS on April 23, 2009, 07:17:29 am
Being Mormon, I don't drink.


That being said... Being Jack Mormon, I prefer dark beers, Amber Bock and Wheat Beers, Ports, Bitters, Stouts, and Guiness.  I've not been drunk since '92 at a certain NCO club and wont do it again.

Heh. That's amusing.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Deer Hunter on April 23, 2009, 07:51:26 am
Repost.  My bad.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on April 24, 2009, 08:58:26 pm
If you don't have to work tomorrow, try an Irish Car Bomb- You'll need a large mug and a double shot glass for this one. 

Fill the mug almost full of a good Irish stout, then mix a shot of Irish cream and Irish whiskey in the shot glass.  Drop the shot glass in the beer, and down the hatch.  Three or four of those should do you for the night......... ;D
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: GotBoomstick on April 24, 2009, 09:28:42 pm
Anyone notice the ads are tailored to the content in the threads?  I'm  :rotfl at the 12 step program ad for substance addiction as I scroll down.  These ads are too smart!
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on April 25, 2009, 12:23:25 am
Looks like this happens with all threads.  But sometimes they are really random and/or weird.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on May 05, 2009, 02:39:57 am
Ok, firing this one back up after a week or so.

Mojito's ROCK! If you're ever in Puerto Rico (see "Outbreak's Caribbean Tour 09" thread in General) you have to get a Mojito...at every restaurant or bar you walk in to. They're all different, and they're all amazing. I've been doing a "Super Size Me" style Mojito Tour. I order a Mojito everywhere I go and if they ask "would you like a double," or "would you like a frozen Mojito" or any question like that, I say yes. Only I haven't come close to death like the guy in "Super Size Me." I am loving every sip of it.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on May 05, 2009, 11:45:18 am
Mojitos are good.  Unfortunately though, they're real easy for a bartender to screw up.


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on May 05, 2009, 06:41:17 pm
Ok, firing this one back up after a week or so.

Mojito's ROCK! If you're ever in Puerto Rico (see "Outbreak's Caribbean Tour 09" thread in General) you have to get a Mojito...at every restaurant or bar you walk in to. They're all different, and they're all amazing. I've been doing a "Super Size Me" style Mojito Tour. I order a Mojito everywhere I go and if they ask "would you like a double," or "would you like a frozen Mojito" or any question like that, I say yes. Only I haven't come close to death like the guy in "Super Size Me." I am loving every sip of it.

Ok, we get it. ::)  :neener
 You got to go to the Caribbean while we were all stuck here stateside.  And I specifically in the People's Republic.  :'(
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on May 05, 2009, 06:50:37 pm
Outbreak has one up on that.  He got to go to the Caribbean... on our dime.

Punk.


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on May 05, 2009, 06:58:19 pm
Did Outbreak actually do something there?  Or did he just go for the hell of it?  Maybe only King Barack's tax evading High Court should foot the bill.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on May 05, 2009, 07:03:08 pm
He said he had a day off.  There was a pic of him in a flowery shirt on the beach in his thread.


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on May 05, 2009, 07:03:37 pm
Oh right, Carry on.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: seanp on May 06, 2009, 11:36:01 am
If you don't have to work tomorrow, try an Irish Car Bomb- You'll need a large mug and a double shot glass for this one. 

Fill the mug almost full of a good Irish stout, then mix a shot of Irish cream and Irish whiskey in the shot glass.  Drop the shot glass in the beer, and down the hatch.  Three or four of those should do you for the night......... ;D

That's just a boilermaker with Irish cream.

Traditional boilermaker:

Pint of lager, drop in a shot of whiskey in the glass.

Make you sick in a hurry.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: AR lover on May 06, 2009, 11:58:15 am
Me personally, i can't stand American booze.  Makes me choke.  (note, i have not tried Sam Adams yet :D )   OTOH, i go to germany and the rest of europe ever few years, to visit family, and i have obtained a taste for certain German and French wines.  And German/English beer.  (yum yum)    Europien drinking laws rock for us minors. O0  I do not have any intention to get drunk though, there is no point, and i have too many guns around for it to be safe.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on May 06, 2009, 02:54:42 pm
My favorite beer is Dos Equis Amber.  German beer from Mexico.  Mmmmm.

I absolutely hate the green-bottled lager however.


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on May 06, 2009, 03:33:41 pm
Negro Modelo with a big lime slice.  Oh boy! :cheers
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on May 06, 2009, 07:07:29 pm
Is negra modelo at all similar to Guiness Draught?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Beamish on May 06, 2009, 09:17:24 pm
Is negra modelo at all similar to Guiness Draught?
Not in the slightest.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Ronin on May 06, 2009, 09:27:11 pm
I used to be a teetotaler.  But as I age, the alcohol no longer is my friend.  But at a get together, someone got me to try a bottle of Woodchuck Hard Cider.  Not too shabby.  And I didn't feel like I had been run over by a truck the next day.  Now I keep a few in the fridge at all times. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on May 06, 2009, 10:16:53 pm
Is negra modelo at all similar to Guiness Draught?

Closer to Bass.


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: seanp on May 07, 2009, 12:02:56 am
My favorite beer is Dos Equis Amber.  German beer from Mexico.  Mmmmm.

Dos Equis is OK.

But you must try a Trappist ale if you like the darker beers my friend.  Have a plate of good cheese, some salami (a good genoa or casalinga), and some apple or pear slices with it.  It will change your life forever.

Close seconds (and also the other two of my top three beers):

Sleeman's Honey Brown Lager

Newcastle Nut Brown Ale

I used to brew my own ale that I feel tasted better than all of them, but the malt and yeast is no longer available :-/
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: orb on May 07, 2009, 03:33:25 pm
Malt and yeast no longer available?  Why not?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on May 07, 2009, 07:24:50 pm
He said he had a day off.  There was a pic of him in a flowery shirt on the beach in his thread.


-T.

7 days, actually. Four star hotel. Quite a few taxpayer dollars spent. You know where the thread is. Back to the drinking!

I also picked up a bottle of rum for each day I was there. I got two bottles of Cruzan Estate Dark Rum in St. Croix, where it is made. In Puerto Rico, the PR Air Guard Lt.Col recommended "Don Q," which is made in Puerto Rico and is not exported to the States. Got one bottle of their "Anejo," aged from 1-7 years; one bottle of the "Cristal" for making Mojitos, and a bottle of Coconut Rum for my little sister, who just turned 21. Finally, touring the Bacardi Distillery yesterday, I had to stop at the gift shop and grab some of their Select (4 years old) and Bacardi "8" (aged 8 years) because it is extra cheap there. Can't wait to start making Mojitos and Dacquiris (not the pin frilly junk, the original cocktail).
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Bo Smith on May 07, 2009, 07:43:22 pm
Good thing you fly in a cargo plane. That's a lot of booze.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on May 07, 2009, 07:47:46 pm
I took a quiz the other day a buddy had on facebook about what kind of alcohol I'd be.  Came up Makers Mark Bourbon.  Excellent!!
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on May 07, 2009, 07:58:00 pm
I came up as beer.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on May 08, 2009, 10:28:39 am
Good thing you fly in a cargo plane. That's a lot of booze.

Yeah, we almost had to palletize the rum. 9 people on the crew, and I took it easy with the rum purchases.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: seanp on May 13, 2009, 09:48:16 am
Malt and yeast no longer available?  Why not?

It was a pre-hopped English Brown Ale malt that is no longer being made.  The company is out of business.

Likewise, the company that packaged the brand of champagne yeast that I used to use is not longer in business.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: maskedhobo on May 13, 2009, 03:00:12 pm
I have a couple beverages I like

Guinness Extra Drought
Crown Royal
Grey Goose Vodka

I rarely can afford the latter two. I like my beer with my steaks I make, nothing like a strong beer and a rare steak for me.  ;)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: GotBoomstick on May 13, 2009, 03:09:22 pm
Any one like IPA?  I've never aquired the taste for the stuff, way too hoppy for me.  Supposedly it pairs well with spicy food like Curry.  It always smacks my taste buds with excessive bitterness.

Went to dinner at a german restaurant the other night and my wife ordered a German Konig Ludig Weis or something like that, esentially a Hefewiesen.  She complained that is tasted like pee, I told her that's why I don't order it any more!   :rotfl  No one makes Hefeweisen like the Widmer Bros!
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: orb on May 13, 2009, 03:49:56 pm
It was a pre-hopped English Brown Ale malt that is no longer being made.  The company is out of business.

Likewise, the company that packaged the brand of champagne yeast that I used to use is not longer in business.

Sounds like job opportunities to me.  Maybe we can get some stimulus dollars for a re-start up.  More than likely we'd be taxed 'till we drop.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on May 13, 2009, 10:56:06 pm
Quote
I have a couple beverages I like

Guinness Extra Drought
Crown Royal
Grey Goose Vodka

I rarely can afford the latter two. I like my beer with my steaks I make, nothing like a strong beer and a rare steak for me.  Wink

 :clap  Bravo sir.  Exactly.  Although flavor wise, I like a dark amber myself.  Dark stouts are a bit much without food.

Happen to have a bottle of Crown Royal XR I take a bit out of on special occasions.  VERY good stuff.  Almost all flavor, no burn at all.

On a related note, I'll be in Durango next week riding the Silverton Train with a couple spare days to kill.  So it looks like I'll have to check out these spots www.durangobeer.com (http://www.durangobeer.com) .  What can I say, I'm a bit of a beer snob I guess.  Haven't bought any of the mass-market stuff in quite some time.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on May 13, 2009, 11:27:41 pm
What type of wine do y'all like?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on May 14, 2009, 12:26:24 am
Generally, I like Kendall Jackson wines.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on May 14, 2009, 02:02:50 am
What type of wine do y'all like?

I like super-dry Chardonnay.  Toasted Head is my fav.

A buddy got me drinking Pinot Noir.  It's kind of a taste that grows on you.  Le Crema is one of my favs there.  Toasted Head also makes a Pinot Noir that I like alot.

I don't have a very educated palate though.


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Beamish on May 14, 2009, 11:25:34 am
What type of wine do y'all like?
Same as beer and ice cream.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JesseL on May 14, 2009, 12:24:15 pm
Same as beer and ice cream.

And bacon?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Beamish on May 14, 2009, 05:11:06 pm
And bacon?
Yes - And Bacon.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on May 14, 2009, 06:54:15 pm
No one makes Hefeweisen like the Widmer Bros!

I like Weihenstephaner (sp?) and Spaten Fransiskaner (sp?). They are my favorites, but only on draft. They taste different and awful from a bottle.

What type of wine do y'all like?

I'm just starting to get into wine. So far, I like Yellowtail Merlot. I do not like their Chiraz.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: seanp on May 14, 2009, 07:03:24 pm
Sounds like job opportunities to me.  Maybe we can get some stimulus dollars for a re-start up.  More than likely we'd be taxed 'till we drop.

:-D  I wish.  I'd quit my day job in a minute to do it.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: seanp on May 14, 2009, 07:11:54 pm
Oh, and whine is for ladies.

Unless it's some harsh Hungarian offering made out of poisoned grapes and Dracula's blood.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on May 14, 2009, 08:56:53 pm
Try Shiraz Sean, some offerings can have flavors of chocolate and tobbaco.  Like Cabernet Sauvignon x2.

(For all practical and political purposes, I tried the wine in Mexico. :hide)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: mnw42 on May 14, 2009, 09:41:45 pm

I often enjoy a drink of pure evil. It is a concoction of clubbed seal blood and children's tears


In all seriousness I enjoy some good whiskey (Scotch, Bourbon, or Irish depending on my mood) from time to time and the occasional beer.  Prefer Guinness on tap or Yingling, but I'll try almost anything if the mood strikes me. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on May 14, 2009, 11:22:01 pm
Quote
So far, I like Yellowtail Merlot.
  Outbreak, if you like that, try a Kendall Jackson Merlot.  Trust me on this.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on May 15, 2009, 12:59:46 am
I don't drink wine very much but when I do I like Gewürztraminers.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on June 27, 2009, 09:39:57 pm
As I like to learn about wine and beer :hide

I want to ask, what do you guys think of Sam Adam's Boston Lager? 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on June 27, 2009, 11:33:05 pm
Good stuff, but MASS PRODUCED good stuff.

If you divide all beers into two groups, the best 50% and the worst 50%, SA ranks very very high in the lower 50%.

My opinion.


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Harm on June 28, 2009, 03:44:11 am
Ok T lets hear your best of the Best 50% and the best of the Worst 50% and the bottom of each category!   :devillol

I've never been a beer guy so I'm interested in your answer.  I know Milwaukee is garbage  :neener  but who didn't see that coming. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on June 28, 2009, 04:24:56 am
That's pretty subjective.

I'm a big fan of Amber beers.  Dos Equis ranks pretty high with me where "common" or "easy to find" beers are concerned.

I like Bass quite a bit.

I'm a big fan of Anchor Steam.  It's got a weird bitter taste that is oddly tasty.  It really messes me up though.

Pete's used to have a Wicked Winter Brew that was good.  It was seasonal.  They don't make it anymore (since '96 I think).

I like Hefeweizen.  Blue Moon is great.  But one must recognize that Hefeweizen is a beer for people who don't drink beer.  Kind of the wine cooler of beers.

Best of the best?  Hmmm.... I'd have to say that the best I ever had was an amber that a guy I knew used to brew himself.  He made ALOT of it.  Like WAAAYYY more than he was legally allowed.  He was a true brew master.  His name was Mick.  He had quite a few firearms too as I recall, and had a penchant for shooting at random times, at random things, off his back porch.  Pfff.  Haven't seen him in almost two decades.

Alot of beers I've tried that rank very high I can't remember the names.  I'm always with people, usually distracted, later on drunk, and they're usually pretty uncommon and hard to find.  More times than not though, I remember them when I see them.

Worst of the worst?  Three way tie.  Mickey's, Grolsch, and Keystone.  Although, if forced to drink one of the three, I'd take the Keystone.  I'd voluntarily smooch a skunks a__ before I'd drink the other two.  Then I'd wash out the taste with mixture of Colt 45 and Old English.


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Harm on June 28, 2009, 04:27:33 am
I really liked Kilt Lifter made by Four Peaks brewery here in town.  Good stuff. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: chiwar7178 on June 28, 2009, 04:28:06 am
Old Millaukee isn't in there with the horridly rancid stuff T.?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: stephendutton on June 28, 2009, 05:57:45 am
If you need to keep lots of beer cold then you will have to get one of these, its the beer cooler for real men:

http://www.asciimation.co.nz/beer/ (http://www.asciimation.co.nz/beer/)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on June 28, 2009, 08:38:12 am
I have bad memories of drinking Mickey's big mouths.  Errr at least I think I have bad memories.  Ok if I could remember what happened after drinking Mickey's I'd have bad memories.  I know I have bad memories about waking up after drinking Mickeys.   :vomit
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on June 28, 2009, 01:27:14 pm
At this moment, I have bad memories of St Pauli Girl Lager and Miller Lite. This is the worst hangover I've had in a while.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on June 28, 2009, 02:01:48 pm
I got away with ordering St. Pauli Girl NA at a restaurant once.  I liked the way it tasted.  Funny thing is, here in California, I still can't legally have NA beer, even though it would take someone an entire KC-130 tanker load to become intoxicated.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on June 28, 2009, 02:38:16 pm
I got away with ordering St. Pauli Girl NA at a restaurant once.  I liked the way it tasted.  Funny thing is, here in California, I still can't legally have NA beer, even though it would take someone an entire KC-130 tanker load to become intoxicated.

 :vomit

NA beer is nasty. But it does still have alcohol in it, so you can't have it. Try some of the real St. Pauli Girl sometime. It's delicious. Maybe too delicious. I think I covered a whole sixer last night, and more in the cheap beer dept.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on June 28, 2009, 03:49:44 pm
I remember the NA bottle saying 0.5% alc by volume.  I wonder if they could get away by selling it as "barley juice drink."
:hide
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: RevDisk on June 28, 2009, 05:40:20 pm

I want to ask, what do you guys think of Sam Adam's Boston Lager? 

If I'm out and about, my preference is first Red Stripe, then Yuengling, then SA.  There's plenty of better microbrews, but for commonly available, that's what I drink.

My favorite beer period is Ruination IPA, followed by Old Guardian (barley wine style ale), then Arrogant Bastard.  Only problem is keeping them sufficiently cold during the course of drinking them. 

 
Aside from that, I stick to Rieslings and ice wines ($40 for 187ml, gods).    For booze, momokawa sake is excellent.  Most 18 year whiskeys work. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on June 29, 2009, 12:04:11 am
Dark ambers for me as far as beer goes.

And as T. noted, they are local micro-brews, and all but impossible to find out of the state they happen to be brewed in.

Some good ones I know of:  Veinnese lager at a local place called the Bohemian Brewery http://www.bohemianbrewery.com/Beer.html (http://www.bohemianbrewery.com/Beer.html) , and all of these http://www.steamworksbrewing.com/main/do/Lizard_Head_Red (http://www.steamworksbrewing.com/main/do/Lizard_Head_Red) , http://www.durangobrewing.com/our-beer/ (http://www.durangobrewing.com/our-beer/) (particularly the Amber Ale), are good.

Don't like hefs myself.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on June 29, 2009, 12:10:38 am
How is Sierra Nevada Pale Ale?  It seems to be popular around where I live. 


And furthermore, what is a microbrew?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JesseL on June 29, 2009, 12:30:27 am
A microbrew is a beer produced by a small, independent brewery (microbrewery).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbrewery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbrewery)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: bmitchell on June 29, 2009, 11:42:33 am
I'm still working on a jug of Muskadyne my former roommate found under the house of the parent-in-laws of my former boss.
I've been drinking Tecate lately because it's cheap.  Coincidentally the only beer I'll drink from a can.
I usually prefer J.W. Dundee's Honey Browns or Blue Moons (just typing it makes me yearn for that coriander gold; I think I'll stop by the store on my way home).

I once had a Miller Lite, and I still rue the day.  I woke up the next morning and felt worse than I have ever felt before, and it lasted alll day.
I find my 'hangovers' used to last from 3:30-3:45 the next afternoon, and as I got older it got earlier.  Now I sometimes get them the same night.
Eventually I hope to get to the point where I have a hangover and know that I'm about to start drinking.
I haven't been drinking much lately because for a while if I had too much my blood would start hurting.
Though, a couple weeks ago I hit the golden mean of beer, and I was staring at my TV as intently as ever was, not moving, watching the Unusuals.  I think I had three Tecates in two hours, which is about half of my usual feel-goods quota.
So I'm easing back in.  I had some sake the other night and that hit the spot.

Ben
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on June 29, 2009, 02:42:37 pm
Guinness Draught or Guinness Stout depending on my mood. Left Hand Milk Stout if I can find it on tap. Corona on occasion when the weather is hot. I also throw in the Boulevard Wheat beer or Blue Moon Belgian-Style White Ale as well.

If I am drinking wines I like Sauvignon Blanc, Cabernet Sauvignon & Franc, Pinot Noir(My favorite but hard to get good examples) and Voignier. Hopefully they are served at the correct temperature.  :bash

If hard liquor is called for I will take a good aged Tequila straight with a few(3 or less) ice cubes to keep it company.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: TheRedCoat on June 29, 2009, 04:16:53 pm
... well my choice of poison is as follows:

Whisky, whisky, scotch, whisky, tequila, sambuca(sambuca is my get wasted fast drink).. whisky is my preference can you tell...

Wine I like but am particular about it, I like rieslings, anything sweet, just not too sweet, not to many dry wines i like.


As for beer I don't do well with it, my stomach and it do not agree, so far the only one I've found I can drink is chimay (it's made by monks you know.. that was my friends selling point)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on June 29, 2009, 04:48:23 pm
I love a good whiskey.  Although this might get me kicked out of the Whiskey Snobs Club, I really like JD.  Great smoky flavor, and goes down smooth.  That smokey flavor is what I really like though.


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: TheRedCoat on June 29, 2009, 04:56:25 pm
I like JD, but thats because to me it was an Import :P

I've had some peoepl here make fun of me for liking it, but I use the same reason as above.

It was just plain different to everything else I tasted.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Irwin on June 29, 2009, 04:59:33 pm
I also like JD but I really like JD single barrel makes a good mixing whiskey especialy with ice cold irn-bru
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: TheRedCoat on June 29, 2009, 05:01:12 pm
Single Barrel and Gentleman Jack are both good to drink.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: ZeroTA on June 29, 2009, 05:54:28 pm
At this moment, I have bad memories of St Pauli Girl Lager and Miller Lite. This is the worst hangover I've had in a while.
St. Pauli Girl is my beer of choice for the moment. That's my sippin' beer. Good ol' Bud Light is my poundin' down beer.

Worst: Old Milwaukee, Natural Light, Pabst Blue Rotten, Keystone, and Stag. It's a five-way tie. If I had to drink one it'd be Natty.

My brother can throw down some Guinness. I think it's horrible.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on June 29, 2009, 05:57:01 pm
St. Pauli Girl is my beer of choice for the moment. That's my sippin' beer. Good ol' Bud Light is my poundin' down beer.

Worst: Old Milwaukee, Natural Light, Pabst Blue Rotten, Keystone, and Stag. It's a five-way tie. If I had to drink one it'd be Natty.

My brother can throw down some Guinness. I think it's horrible.

You can drink Bud light, BUT think Guinness is bad?!  :scrutiny
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Irwin on June 29, 2009, 06:01:47 pm
St. Pauli Girl is my beer of choice for the moment. That's my sippin' beer. Good ol' Bud Light is my poundin' down beer.

Worst: Old Milwaukee, Natural Light, Pabst Blue Rotten, Keystone, and Stag. It's a five-way tie. If I had to drink one it'd be Natty.

My brother can throw down some Guinness. I think it's horrible.
Drink one can of John Smiths (a weird concution of horse piss, miller and water) A can of Tennents (so Scottish it puts hair on your chest and mugs you at the same time!) Then drink a can of Guinness it becomes slightly paletable  ;D
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Harm on June 29, 2009, 06:21:30 pm
I think throwing back some Tennents could be fun just for the stories!   :scrutiny  :devillol
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JesseL on June 29, 2009, 06:26:55 pm
I was very much a non-drinker for a long time, but lately I've been curious what the fuss is about so I've tried a few things.

While my wife and son were away for a weekend a month ago, I decided to try a six-pack of Guinness extra stout. Keep in mind here - very inexperienced drinker. I got it nice and cold, nearly freezing, and it wasn't half bad! I guess years of drinking black coffee helps.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Harm on June 29, 2009, 06:47:57 pm
That actually sounds REALLY good.   :nervous
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Irwin on June 29, 2009, 06:49:10 pm
The thing with Guinness is I'm ok to drink it when I'm reasonably sober but when I get drunk I forget I'm drinking it and revert back to my lager memory and start to chug it down then  :vomit

Jessel as your new ish to drinking you should check out the little no brand french and german beers down at tescos something like 5-6 quid for 15 bottles which I think they are half pints? You can end up with some really good beers for pennies to educate your pallet with and if you start to feel sick after the first 8 or so down 2 or 3 and the gas should make you throw up :vomit Thus creating space for more food and beer  :devillol

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Harm on June 29, 2009, 06:58:12 pm
So what do WETA People think about Wine and Whiskey?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: TheRedCoat on June 29, 2009, 07:12:59 pm
Irwin is special brew still the choice of pi$$heads, the homeless and students?

stuff just smelt nasty let alone tasted nasty
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Irwin on June 29, 2009, 07:24:29 pm
Irwin is special brew still the choice of pi$$heads, the homeless and students?

stuff just smelt nasty let alone tasted nasty
The only guy I know who buys it is a smoggie as its quite cheap, but again this is the man who will drink Tesco's gin and thinks its nice!  :devillol

So what do WETA People think about Wine and Whiskey?

I like whiskey but am far from a conusuir and I'm not keen on wine.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Harm on June 29, 2009, 07:26:57 pm
I'm hardly a connieseur of Whisky.  I just know that I'm partial to Jack Daniels served ice cold.  I used to leave a bottle in the freezer along with my high ball glasses and I'd pour two fingers of JD's and relax.  When I was partying that was different.   :devillol
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on June 29, 2009, 09:43:57 pm
Sorry to digress from the Scotch and Bourbon,

but what is the difference between Guinness Draught and extra Stout?

They both come with the rocket widget thing, don't they?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on June 29, 2009, 10:08:47 pm
Quote
How is Sierra Nevada Pale Ale?  It seems to be popular around where I live. 

Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is one of my favorite beers.  They have Summerfest out right now that is really good too.

I've always wanted to tour their Brewery in Chico :beer
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: TheRedCoat on June 30, 2009, 09:08:17 am
I realised I forgot to mention the good ol' green fairy absinthe. No not the crap sold here but the real stuff I used to drink back home every so often :) That is an interesting drunk.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on June 30, 2009, 11:39:25 am
Sorry to digress from the Scotch and Bourbon,

but what is the difference between Guinness Draught and extra Stout?

They both come with the rocket widget thing, don't they?

They're different beers. Try'em both to find out the difference. And yes, they both have a widget.

My issue with Guinness is it's the Budweiser of Stouts. Find me a Smithwicks or a Rogue Shakespeare Stout if I'm gonna drink something heavy like that. Or a Black Velvet, which is a black n tan made with Guinness and cider. Quite dellicious.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on June 30, 2009, 12:59:16 pm
They're different beers. Try'em both to find out the difference. And yes, they both have a widget.

My issue with Guinness is it's the Budweiser of Stouts. Find me a Smithwicks or a Rogue Shakespeare Stout if I'm gonna drink something heavy like that. Or a Black Velvet, which is a black n tan made with Guinness and cider. Quite dellicious.

You have your drink names mixed up there. A black and tan is a dark stout beer and brown ale mixed half and half. A Snakebite is a lager and cider mixed half and half(Also used to refer to all beer and hard cider mixes). A Black Velvet is a dark stout and Champagne mixed half and half. Your post refers to a sort of Snakebite.

Also Smithwicks is considered by most to be a weaker and lighter version of Guinness. It has it's own history, but is owned by the same company as Guinness now. That company is Diageo. They make a retarded amount of different beers and wines.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on June 30, 2009, 01:43:43 pm
You have your drink names mixed up there. A black and tan is a dark stout beer and brown ale mixed half and half. A Snakebite is a lager and cider mixed half and half(Also used to refer to all beer and hard cider mixes). A Black Velvet is a dark stout and Champagne mixed half and half. Your post refers to a sort of Snakebite.

Also Smithwicks is considered by most to be a weaker and lighter version of Guinness. It has it's own history, but is owned by the same company as Guinness now. That company is Diageo. They make a retarded amount of different beers and wines.


:bowdown

You, sir, are right. You've corrected me in the matter of drinking, and for that, you have earned quite high honors. :cheers

and the Smithwick's was just an example. I've tried a number of other stouts and enjoy them almost universally more than Guinness. Try the Shakespeare Stout from Rogue. It pours like motor oil and goes down thicker. We call it "Richard Petty Stout" because the label looks just like the racing legend in victorian garb.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_usWwbLhJP74/SQ5YXM5B6mI/AAAAAAAAEQo/WiOP56XSsSE/s320/RogueAlesShakespeareStout.gif)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on June 30, 2009, 01:58:23 pm


:bowdown

You, sir, are right. You've corrected me in the matter of drinking, and for that, you have earned quite high honors. :cheers

and the Smithwick's was just an example. I've tried a number of other stouts and enjoy them almost universally more than Guinness. Try the Shakespeare Stout from Rogue. It pours like motor oil and goes down thicker. We call it "Richard Petty Stout" because the label looks just like the racing legend in victorian garb.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_usWwbLhJP74/SQ5YXM5B6mI/AAAAAAAAEQo/WiOP56XSsSE/s320/RogueAlesShakespeareStout.gif)

I have tried the Shakespeare Stout and it is a fine beer. It seems to be more along the lines of a Russian Stout which is not a bad thing. I also would urge you to try a Milk Stout produced by Left Hand. I would say to try the kegs or ones on tap though. Their bottles just do not do the beer justice.

Get your Shakespeare Stout and mix it with a good high alcohol hard apple cider. It is as close to heaven as I think any man can come.

You should also try a Moet & Chandon Imperial Rose mixed with Chimay Blue. We tend to refer to it as an "Arrogant b____ in Black Velvet". It is a true Black Velvet and is very, very smooth. It is a bit costly to drink  often though.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on June 30, 2009, 02:48:57 pm
I don't even look at the price for good beer usually. $7 for a pint doesn't scare me, and a bit more for a true specialty or "beer cocktail" is perfectly fine once in a while.

I keep a 12 pack of something good in the fridge all the time, and a 30pack of Miller Lite as well. I drink the entire range.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on June 30, 2009, 03:49:39 pm
Alot of beers I've tried that rank very high I can't remember the names.  I'm always with people, usually distracted, later on drunk, and they're usually pretty uncommon and hard to find.  More times than not though, I remember them when I see them.

Find me a Smithwicks...

THERE'S ONE!!!


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Beamish on June 30, 2009, 04:21:37 pm
I like when people call it "Smith-wicks" - then we can all point and laugh at them.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on June 30, 2009, 05:25:13 pm
That is funny, but come on... everybody can't know right out of the gate.

For those who are uninitiated, it's pronounced "Schmiticks".


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on June 30, 2009, 06:00:53 pm
Russian Stouts?

I know the Russians like their grain/rye vodka and their kvass, but beer?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on June 30, 2009, 06:29:02 pm
Russian Stouts?

I know the Russians like their grain/rye vodka and their kvass, but beer?

Learn here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stout (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stout)

 It was made in England for the Russian Court.  Also notice that it lists Oatmeal Stout. It is very tasty.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Beamish on June 30, 2009, 08:53:48 pm
That is funny, but come on... everybody can't know right out of the gate.

For those who are uninitiated, it's pronounced "Schmiticks"
You gave it away! You're not fun.  :neener
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on June 30, 2009, 08:56:26 pm
Thanks for saving the trouble.  I would have fallen into the trap and Beamish would have laughed at me.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on June 30, 2009, 09:16:56 pm
Well, Beamish laughs at all of us.  He doesn't need a reason really.  He's Beamish, and we're... well... not.


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Beamish on June 30, 2009, 11:14:36 pm
Well, Beamish laughs at all of us.  He doesn't need a reason really.  He's Beamish, and we're... well... not.


-T.
Be glad.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on June 30, 2009, 11:54:02 pm
Love you man.  ;)


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: bmitchell on July 01, 2009, 08:31:33 am
Gunwale, forecastle, studding sail, Green-wich, Glou-cester.
Guil-lotine.

Ben
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Canthros on July 01, 2009, 09:04:47 am
Favorite beers:
Weihenstephaner Hefeweiss (mmmmmm....)
Franziskaner Hefeweizen (As a back up, when the Weihenstephaner is unavailable)
Chimay (blue, usually, but it's hard to go wrong)

Blue Moon's usually pretty good for a widely available domestic. Killian's, if I must have a beer and nothing better is available.

Bluegrass Brewing Company has a few that are acceptably tasty, but they're local/regional. I'm generally willing to experiment with stuff in the microbrews or various small imports.

Noteworthy beers:
Dogfish Head 120-Minute IPA -- I'm not really crazy about it, but it's nice as a weird thing, every once in a great while. It's 20%abv (~40proof)! Thick and syrupy like a fruit lambic, though.

Not really a stout guy, though. I'll have a Guinness once or twice a year, which mostly serves as a reminder why I don't drink it more often. (A pleasant reminder, but I'm just not often in the mood for it.)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on July 01, 2009, 02:53:37 pm
you don't like stouts but you'll enjoy a 120 IPA? I've tried 60 and 90 minute IPA's and can't finish either. Don't even want to try a 120min.

I have tried some of Dogfish Head's other, non IPA's, and they're quite tasty.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on July 01, 2009, 03:08:53 pm
you don't like stouts but you'll enjoy a 120 IPA? I've tried 60 and 90 minute IPA's and can't finish either. Don't even want to try a 120min.

I have tried some of Dogfish Head's other, non IPA's, and they're quite tasty.

I think his taste buds are surely dead or at least in full retreat.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Canthros on July 01, 2009, 03:11:33 pm
Well, I've met few beers I didn't like at all (Heineken, Molson Ice, some Sam Adams brew that was all bread but otherwise rather bland, Goose Island Hex Nut), a handful I'm rather apathetic about (Bud! for when the water isn't drinkable!) and a fair number that I might drink once in a while, but never on a regular basis. I rather like Guinness, but I don't much want to drink it on a regular basis. I'm not crazy for IPAs, though. Might have one now and again, but I'd generally prefer a wheat beer or lager.

I can't recall if I've tried the 60 or 90 minute IPAs. The 120 is a different critter from the IPAs I have tried, though, and, perhaps, a little variable in exact quality. It's not a beer I'd drink regularly either, even if it weren't $8-10 a bottle. Thought I'd throw it out there, though.

Re: dead taste buds
Possibly! Well, badly impaired. Sinus problems, coated tongue, etc.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on July 01, 2009, 03:36:39 pm
India Pale Ales are supposed to be very bitter because of extra hops, correct?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Canthros on July 01, 2009, 03:38:27 pm
India Pale Ales are supposed to be very bitter because of extra hops, correct?
Indeed.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on July 01, 2009, 03:39:11 pm
India Pale Ales are supposed to be very bitter because of extra hops, correct?

Correct. Do not count them out though. Your taste buds are your own.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on July 01, 2009, 03:40:25 pm
I haven't tried IPA anyway.  I just heard the above and wanted to confirm with people that actually drink it.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Beamish on July 01, 2009, 04:47:51 pm
Correct. Do not count them out though. Your taste buds are your own.
I count them WAY out.   They will be found no where near my glass.  Water first.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on July 01, 2009, 08:13:43 pm
^^^^ Agree.  I seriously dislike IPAs.

I almost forgot one of my major favs...  Big Sky Moose Drool.

http://www.bigskybrew.com/Our_Beers/Moose_Drool (http://www.bigskybrew.com/Our_Beers/Moose_Drool)

I absolutely LOVE that stuff.


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on July 06, 2009, 02:14:43 pm
Another beer I like a lot is Shiner Bock.  Fry's had some Shiner Black Label so I tried that the other day.  I really liked it. Best of all Fry's had Shiner Bock on sale for $10.99 for a 12 pack.  :beer

Shiner (http://www.shiner.com/main.php)  Click on the On Tap tab
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on July 07, 2009, 01:34:00 am
^^^^ Agree.  I seriously dislike IPAs.

I almost forgot one of my major favs...  Big Sky Moose Drool.

http://www.bigskybrew.com/Our_Beers/Moose_Drool (http://www.bigskybrew.com/Our_Beers/Moose_Drool)

I absolutely LOVE that stuff.


-T.

OOHH! I totally forgot about that stuff! I'll be up in WA State on business in a week or so and I know a great little bar that serves Moose Drool. I'll be drinking my fill.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on July 07, 2009, 01:55:31 am
Ahem.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on July 07, 2009, 03:13:13 am
Ahem...

(http://deadlyclose.com/img/booze1.jpg)


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: chiwar7178 on July 07, 2009, 03:22:09 am
 :facepalm
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on July 07, 2009, 03:28:49 am
Ahem.

What beer?

Ahem...

(http://deadlyclose.com/img/booze1.jpg)


-T.

What girl?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on July 07, 2009, 01:21:29 pm
Quote

What beer?

What girl?

WIN.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on July 08, 2009, 01:21:48 am
Uh..........




WOW.

'nite guys. :nervous :cheers
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Harm on July 08, 2009, 11:38:16 am
 :rotfl

Awesome! 




um mike's hard lemonade anyone?    :hide
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on July 08, 2009, 11:41:55 am
Funny the deli store sandwich shop across the street carries a lot of the non-mainstream brews mentioned on this thread.  I saw other Sam Adams flavors as well as three or four offerings from Shiner, including the Bock.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on July 08, 2009, 12:53:30 pm
Now that sounds like a great Deli FMJ!  :clap
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on July 08, 2009, 05:13:24 pm
It is.  You get these big @ss andwiches too.  Granted they're a little expensive, but they're good.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Vern357 on July 08, 2009, 07:04:56 pm
Blue Moon:  Honeymoon and Pumpkin ales'

St. Paulie's Girl.


But lately its just the Mikes Hard for me.  (Really seem to be leaning towards the cranberry lemonade).

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on July 08, 2009, 07:38:33 pm
Blue Moon:  Honeymoon and Pumpkin ales'

St. Paulie's Girl.

:cheers

Quote
But lately its just the Mikes Hard for me.  (Really seem to be leaning towards the cranberry lemonade).



:vomit
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Stevie-Ray on July 08, 2009, 08:25:11 pm
Quote from: Outbreak
the PR Air Guard Lt.Col recommended "Don Q," which is made in Puerto Rico and is not exported to the States.
Hey Outbreak, I just saw this. When did they quit exporting Don Q to the states? I used to buy it here all the time, back in my Pina Colada days. :P At 151 proof, you could prove to everybody what a "man" you were, or if you were like me, simply use less and save money. ;) I still have some of that swill in the basement bar.

And anybody here been to Carlos & Charlie's in the islands? Their fish-bowl Margeritas are simply the best drink ever. Don't know what they use for Tequila, but I've NEVER felt like that on any other booze. Could be drugs for all I know.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on July 08, 2009, 08:30:12 pm
What is hard about Mike's Lemonade?

In other words what type of alcohol does it have?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Harm on July 08, 2009, 08:53:21 pm
Not much!  :devillol
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on July 08, 2009, 08:55:21 pm
What is hard about Mike's Lemonade?

In other words what type of alcohol does it have?

Less alcohol than champagne, more than beer.  About the same as wine (or a wine cooler, which it pretty much is).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike%27s_Hard_Lemonade_Co. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike%27s_Hard_Lemonade_Co.)




-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Vern357 on July 08, 2009, 09:00:40 pm
Laugh all you want, but when I am doing auto work having a Mike's to sip on is enough to keep the frustration demon's away, so that I dont end up yelling at someone who doesnt deserve it.

I work on our cars to save money, if I could afford to pay someone I would :)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on July 08, 2009, 09:15:20 pm
I almost drank that stuff when I was younger because I couldn't make the connection between "hard" and booze at the time.  Hell, I figured that it must have been extra lemon-y lemonade.

Like the same way I almost drank newcastle ale when I was 13.  My excuse, "I didn't an ABV figure on the label."

_______________________________

:hide :hide :hide :hide
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Harm on July 08, 2009, 09:48:35 pm
Vern I used to enjoy a six pack of mike's hard lemonade.  Don't have a lot of experience with beer  :devillol.

I will say I started drinking Long Island Ice tea's because I thought they were like Arnold Palmer's...  :devillol  They quickly became one of my favorite adult beverages.   :neener  That and Long Island Ice Tea Suicides.   :nervous
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Stevie-Ray on July 08, 2009, 11:14:01 pm
I will say I started drinking Long Island Ice tea's because I thought they were like Arnold Palmer's...  :devillol  They quickly became one of my favorite adult beverages.   :neener  That and Long Island Ice Tea Suicides.   :nervous
Try nixing the Coke in the LIIT, for Chambord. That gives you a Purple Rain, a whole new taste and quite interesting.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on July 09, 2009, 12:38:33 am
Hey Outbreak, I just saw this. When did they quit exporting Don Q to the states? I used to buy it here all the time, back in my Pina Colada days. :P At 151 proof, you could prove to everybody what a "man" you were, or if you were like me, simply use less and save money. ;) I still have some of that swill in the basement bar.

According to the Colonel, it had never been exported to the states. The ad I saw recently made it sound like it wass "finally" being exported so us mainlanders could enjoy it for the first time.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Stevie-Ray on July 09, 2009, 06:41:41 pm
According to the Colonel, it had never been exported to the states. The ad I saw recently made it sound like it wass "finally" being exported so us mainlanders could enjoy it for the first time.
He's wrong. I've been "enjoying" it here for over 30 years. (If you want to call it that; it's a really BAD hangover) Any liquor shop in my area has carried it since at least 1978 or so.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on July 09, 2009, 10:31:48 pm
He's wrong. I've been "enjoying" it here for over 30 years. (If you want to call it that; it's a really BAD hangover) Any liquor shop in my area has carried it since at least 1978 or so.

Eh, whatever. I like it quite a bit and I can't wait till I can get it here.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: bmitchell on August 13, 2009, 09:03:31 am
Black Opal makes a fine Shiraz and Merlot.
Like a rollercoaster in a bottle.

Ben
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on August 14, 2009, 12:52:40 am
Drinking a Squatters Full Suspension at the moment.  Celebrating a successful day fishing. :clap
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on August 14, 2009, 06:50:15 pm
What did you catch?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on August 14, 2009, 09:00:09 pm
Trout.  1 cutthroat, 1 lake, and two rainbows.  Just had rainbow trout, squash, and sliced tomatoes for dinner.  All grown or caught by myself or a family member.  (And my buddy's got his home micro-brewery all set up.  Who needs stores, eh?  ;)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on August 15, 2009, 02:13:32 am
Exactly, who needs stores?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on August 23, 2009, 01:47:20 pm
From the "Scope Insanity" thread. https://wethearmed.com/index.php/topic,5124.0/topicseen.html (https://wethearmed.com/index.php/topic,5124.0/topicseen.html)


Where does Maker's Mark on the scale between Jack Daniels and Johnny Walker?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on August 23, 2009, 03:03:41 pm
It's not between those 2 at all.  If we were to put whiskey that the average guy can afford on a scale of 1-100, Johny Walker would be somewhere in the high teens/low twenties, JD somewhere in the high 30's/low 40's, makers mark, crown royal near 70, George T. Stagg and the like in the mid 80s, with stuff like Crown Royal XR , Cask 16, and some of the Blanton stuff pushing 100.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: strangelittleman on August 23, 2009, 03:07:43 pm
Maker's mark is very good indeed! If you like MM, give Knob Creek a try, you'll not be disappointed!
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on August 23, 2009, 03:50:33 pm
It's not between those 2 at all.  If we were to put whiskey that the average guy can afford on a scale of 1-100, Johny Walker would be somewhere in the high teens/low twenties, JD somewhere in the high 30's/low 40's, makers mark, crown royal near 70, George T. Stagg and the like in the mid 80s, with stuff like Crown Royal XR , Cask 16, and some of the Blanton stuff pushing 100.

You are really comparing different styles of whiskeys/whiskys. You have American whiskeys, Canadian Whiskeys and bourbons all thrown together. I guess you can lump scotchs in there as well?

They all have particular tastes that are closer to their own styles of whiskey than to each other. If you dislike Canadian style whiskeys then all the Crown Royals will taste aweful to you. I mean you have Johny Walker Scotch whisky thrown in with Maker's Mark and Crown Royal. You might as well throw some Irish whiskeys in there too. You cannot lump whiskeys/whiskys like that.

You cannot compare a lighter and sweeter taste of good bourbons to the peat and smokey tastes of Scotch and American whiskey. I mean we are civilized people here. We should give our palate more credit than to lump all of the very great, but very different, whiskys/whiskeys together.

Sorry, but you have offended the liquor snob inside me by comparing apples to oranges, as it were.     :devillol 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on August 23, 2009, 03:53:46 pm
Maker's mark is very good indeed! If you like MM, give Knob Creek a try, you'll not be disappointed!

Might wish to go grab your bottle know. The company had some issues and no new Knob Creek will be out for an undetermined length of time. :(
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: strangelittleman on August 23, 2009, 04:04:38 pm
Might wish to go grab your bottle know. The company had some issues and no new Knob Creek will be out for an undetermined length of time. :(
Yeah I read that on the Knob Creek site some time back......Is there no U.S. enterprise out there that's being managed by anything other than drunken monkies?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on August 23, 2009, 04:14:06 pm
Yeah I read that on the Knob Creek site some time back......Is there no U.S. enterprise out there that's being managed by anything other than drunken monkies?

They do make whiskey there...    So a few drunken monkeys are likely to be there.    ;D
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Canthros on August 23, 2009, 05:59:16 pm
Knob Creek's made at Heaven Hill, and aged 9 years. They had a big fire there ... five, six years ago? Seems like that might have something to do with it.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on August 23, 2009, 06:34:27 pm
Sure we can put them all in there.  Flavor may be different between corn and rye whiskeys, and you may have straight bourbons, whiskeys, and blended whiskeys, but they are all still a whiskey.  Flavors may vary, but when we discuss them, putting them in line quality-wise irrespective of the different styles/flavors isn't a sin.  Life's too short to get knotted knickers over lumping different styles of whisky together, no different than muscle cars-  Be it a Camaro, Mustang, Charger, or Firebird, it's still a muscle car.

Although, on a personal note I prefer a good bourbon over anything.  Rye whiskeys just don't do it as a general rule.  I do however keep a couple bottles of top shelf stuff around and have a gold rimmed nosing glass........ ;)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: GeorgeHill on August 23, 2009, 06:42:16 pm
I liked JD because I could fill an canteen with it for about 10 bucks.  I also like Rum.  Captain Morgan's is popular, but I'm not really a fan of it. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on August 23, 2009, 08:36:04 pm
Sure we can put them all in there.  Flavor may be different between corn and rye whiskeys, and you may have straight bourbons, whiskeys, and blended whiskeys, but they are all still a whiskey.  Flavors may vary, but when we discuss them, putting them in line quality-wise irrespective of the different styles/flavors isn't a sin.  Life's too short to get knotted knickers over lumping different styles of whisky together, no different than muscle cars-  Be it a Camaro, Mustang, Charger, or Firebird, it's still a muscle car.

Although, on a personal note I prefer a good bourbon over anything.  Rye whiskeys just don't do it as a general rule.  I do however keep a couple bottles of top shelf stuff around and have a gold rimmed nosing glass........ ;)

But how do you lump a scotch in with a bourbon? If you use a method of just lumping stuff together might as well throw all liquors in there. I think Scotch and bourbon are as different taste wise as a reposado tequila and good vodka. Sure they are both liquors. They are not the same though. It would be a shame to not experience all the different types. 

My personal drink is tequila. A good blanco or reposado depending on my mood. You can sip it straight over just a few ice cubes.  :cheers
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on August 23, 2009, 08:59:20 pm
Tequila:  Something to be proud of about Mexico.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Irwin on August 23, 2009, 09:04:35 pm
I liked JD because I could fill an canteen with it for about 10 bucks.  I also like Rum.  Captain Morgan's is popular, but I'm not really a fan of it.  
Bloody hell where you buying a bottle of jack for 10 bucks? Its sodding $40 for a 700ml bottle here, or $80 for a bottle of single barrel (my favriote mixing whiskey) and single barrel is rarer than rocking horse crap!

Is it just me or does whiskey seem to be a bit of a let down when you start drinking the more expensive stuff? I dont know maybe im not a whiskey person, to me they are better when combined with other drinks like Irn-bru or coke, I know I would rather sit down with a beer than a whiskey or even any spirt.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on August 23, 2009, 09:40:22 pm
To me the expensive stuff is worth it.  One single ice cube and one ounce of Crown Royal XR  in my nosing glass takes about 15 minutes to enjoy.  Very rich and complex flavors there, much more so than most good wines even.  But 1 liter of the stuff is 200 bleeding dollars, so it best be VERY good.(which it is.)

Quote
But how do you lump a scotch in with a bourbon? If you use a method of just lumping stuff together might as well throw all liquors in there.
  Nope.  Just like I have no problem discussing red and white wines in the same conversations.  It's still wine, even if they have completely different flavors, textures, and finishes.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FluffyHitman on August 23, 2009, 11:06:53 pm
Tequila:  Something to be proud of about Mexico.
After you finish praying to the porcelain god and swearing off any alcohol ever, at least.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on August 23, 2009, 11:09:10 pm
No, you do not understand.  I meant this from a cultural/national pride thing.  I'm sure you are aware that the Blue Agave plant only grows in some regions in Mexico.  Having said that, I'm pretty sure you can find Chinese counterfeit Tequila.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FluffyHitman on August 23, 2009, 11:12:54 pm
You can find chinese counterfeit anything if you look hard enough.

Actually, I didn't know that the blue agave plant only grows in mexico, I never heard that bit of trivia and I never cared to study anything about alcohol. I have had a soda that had agave in it, though. watermelon flavored.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on August 23, 2009, 11:25:09 pm
Yes, so that is why tequila is uniquely Mexican.  Good to have a little proud heritage though, right?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on August 24, 2009, 12:44:45 am
To me the expensive stuff is worth it.  One single ice cube and one ounce of Crown Royal XR  in my nosing glass takes about 15 minutes to enjoy.  Very rich and complex flavors there, much more so than most good wines even.  But 1 liter of the stuff is 200 bleeding dollars, so it best be VERY good.(which it is.)
  Nope.  Just like I have no problem discussing red and white wines in the same conversations.  It's still wine, even if they have completely different flavors, textures, and finishes.

You tried 40 Creek Whiskey? It is a Canadian style whiskey that has been at few judgings and was up above the special reserve Crown and just below XR. I am not a big Canadian whiskey fan, but it is a good example of that style.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on August 24, 2009, 03:02:04 pm
After you finish praying to the porcelain god and swearing off any alcohol ever, at least.

So you've learned what tequila does to you, but not all Alcohol will have the same effect. You gotta get back on that horse.

I liked JD because I could fill an canteen with it for about 10 bucks.  I also like Rum.  Captain Morgan's is popular, but I'm not really a fan of it. 

I used to be a big fan of the Captain and Coke, but now I go for either Bacardi Select and Coke, or Cruzan Dark Estate Rum and Coke. Squeeze a lime wedge in there and drop the wedge in ...[lips smacking] mmmmmmm.... Dark rums for dark mixers. Light/clear rums for lighter clearer drinks, like Mojitos, Daiquiris...
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: bmitchell on August 24, 2009, 04:51:51 pm
Mmmm, Bacardi Select.
I've been drinking Kool-aid almost exclusively for about a week though.
 :-X

Anyway, I picked up a bottle of Black Opal shiraz the other day.  Gonna hit that like it's a piñata.

Ben
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on August 24, 2009, 05:23:38 pm
I'm seriously considering taking a flask full of Bacardi Select to see Inglorious Basterds tonight. I'll buy the coke there. :cheers
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: mnw42 on August 26, 2009, 10:07:26 am
I haven't tried Bacardi Select, but I am a big fan of Bacardi 8.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on August 26, 2009, 12:41:43 pm
I haven't tried Bacardi Select, but I am a big fan of Bacardi 8.

Got a bottle. Haven't opened it yet.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Irwin on October 25, 2009, 12:36:47 am
Wtf I drink for the first time in nearl 3 months and the beer seems to have like 80% gaas in it wtf, Im nearly through the whole case now and im drinking straight jagerrrr.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: ksuguy on October 25, 2009, 12:54:53 am
You're drinking a whole case at once?    Is a case still 24 over in the UK?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Irwin on October 25, 2009, 12:59:46 am
About yeah, not buying carlsberg again its crap, wtf was I thinking.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Feud on October 25, 2009, 01:07:12 am
No, you do not understand.  I meant this from a cultural/national pride thing.  I'm sure you are aware that the Blue Agave plant only grows in some regions in Mexico.  Having said that, I'm pretty sure you can find Chinese counterfeit Tequila.

Coming soon:  Sam Adam's Summer Tequila

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/07/11/whats_really_up_on_beacon_hill/ (http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/07/11/whats_really_up_on_beacon_hill/)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: ksuguy on October 25, 2009, 01:16:51 am
I was thinking about finishing off the bottle of tequila I've had sitting my fridge for the past 6 months, but I'm on call for work this weekend so I can't.   
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on October 25, 2009, 04:13:43 am
Oh gawd, I thought you were serious about that Sam Adams te-kill-ya for a moment. 

:panic
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Stratcat79 on October 26, 2009, 06:10:17 pm
You tried 40 Creek Whiskey? It is a Canadian style whiskey that has been at few judgings and was up above the special reserve Crown and just below XR. I am not a big Canadian whiskey fan, but it is a good example of that style.

40 creek is probably the smoothest whiskey ive ever had.  Better than crown as far as im concerned, But im not much of a whiskey drinker.  You rum fans should do yourselves a favor and find a bottle of Sailor Jerrys.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on December 07, 2009, 09:17:49 pm
Besides the difference in cereals, are there any other differences between wheat and barley beers?  i.e. Hefeweizen vs. Stout
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on December 07, 2009, 09:50:51 pm
Besides the difference in cereals, are there any other differences between wheat and barley beers?  i.e. Hefeweizen vs. Stout

Alcohol content and sometimes how they are brewed. Lagers, ales and Pilsener/Pilsner are all brewed a little different as far as temperature/time etc. They are also further divided by the particular ratio of ingredients. Beers are really pretty varied, and I do not know all the little differences. There are quite a few stout styles(Milk, oatmeal, imperial etc).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_style (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_style) 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Raptor on December 07, 2009, 10:04:50 pm
Okay, a loooooooong time ago I swore on this thread that I'd never have a drink ever. Well, that didn't last long (can you go to Europe for three months and not have a drink?).

Tried vodka, didn't like it (thought it tastes like medical disinfectant). Tried some of the local beers too (Stiegl and Augustiner Bräu), didn't much like them either; waaaaay to bitter for me. Did find one I liked, though; Edelweiss. It's a Weissbier, which means it's brewed with wheat instead of barley. It's not bitter at all, actually kind of sweet. I wonder if they import it into the US...
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on December 07, 2009, 10:09:55 pm
If they imported those kinds of beer here, I would be so happy--In the future  :hide

Raptor, did you try any wines?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on December 07, 2009, 11:05:17 pm
There a many wheat bears here in the states. Franziskaner Weissbier is a good import. Boulevard Wheat is from Kansas City and a damn fine wheat beer.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on December 07, 2009, 11:09:38 pm
Are they supposed to taste different?

What do you think about the wheats that Sam Adams brews?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Raptor on December 07, 2009, 11:32:57 pm
Raptor, did you try any wines?

A Red in Salzburg and a Rose in Amsterdam... didn't really like either (the Rose was actually pretty nasty), but they were both really cheap wines. Didn't have any (what I assume to be) good stuff.

Oh, yeah, tried Heineken in Amsterdam too and liked it. Not quite as good as Edelweiss, but I enjoyed it.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Canthros on December 07, 2009, 11:56:40 pm
Franziskaner Weissbier is a good import.
Franziskaner's great, but Weihenstephaner's tastier, if you ask me. Harder to find, though. Also a little pricier, but definitely superior.

For a wheat beer you can check out just about any place that serves beer, check out Blue Moon. It's good, even if it isn't fantastic, and it really is available pretty much wherever.

FWIW: wheat beers still contain barley. As I understand it, beer contains barley, by definition.

Anyway, wheat beers are awesome.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on December 08, 2009, 01:52:28 am
I really hate the alcohol laws; I feel I'm missing out.

For my 21st, I'll be getting myself a .45 (1911) and a bunch of different bottles with different styles of beer so I can try and compare them all; that, and a steak dinner.

How does Widmer compare to Blue Moon in terms of Hefeweizen?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on December 08, 2009, 02:50:30 am
Franziskaner's great, but Weihenstephaner's tastier, if you ask me. Harder to find, though. Also a little pricier, but definitely superior.

For a wheat beer you can check out just about any place that serves beer, check out Blue Moon. It's good, even if it isn't fantastic, and it really is available pretty much wherever.

FWIW: wheat beers still contain barley. As I understand it, beer contains barley, by definition.

Anyway, wheat beers are awesome.

We cannot get Weihenstephaner's here in OK. So I never think of it, but I will agree it is superior.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on December 08, 2009, 03:00:41 am
I really hate the alcohol laws; I feel I'm missing out.

For my 21st, I'll be getting myself a .45 (1911) and a bunch of different bottles with different styles of beer so I can try and compare them all; that, and a steak dinner.

How does Widmer compare to Blue Moon in terms of Hefeweizen?

Widmer is a little better IMO than Blue Moon. If you can find Boulevard there in Cali it is better than both IMO.

The wheat beers are sorta a safe bet to start off with. They are usually not too bitter or heavy.

If you can get a good Guinness Draught to start down the stouts path would not be a bad idea.

You can then get into the Milk or Oatmeal Stouts which are my personal favorites. Samuel Smith - Oatmeal Stout is a great one.

Now I want a beer...    :beer
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: bmitchell on December 08, 2009, 08:31:57 am
I wouldn't compare Blue Moon to anything but Mothership Wit (which I believe is inferior).  Nothing beats that smooth coriander joy in a bottle that is Blue Moon.  I like Widmer but it just isn't Blue Moon.

Ben
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Irwin on December 08, 2009, 08:58:28 am
I generaly just drink whats cheapest (within reason) Ive drunk Grolsch for the past 2 weeks but I think im going to stop drinking intill nearer xmas, having a quick temper and speaking to an ignorant canuck and I wake up with a hangover and 3 people not speaking to me because I took offence to what he was saying and told him to jog on (from what I have cobeled together it wasnt that polite  :devillol ) thank f___ it was on vent while I was gaming or I would have ended the night in the back of a police wagon. Why is it people infuriate you so much and as soon as you start tanking up you actually will try and beat the living crap out of them?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on December 08, 2009, 01:17:00 pm
Hefeweizen is sort of the wine cooler of beers.  It's beer for folks who don't really like beer.  Not to take away from Hefe though.  It's still good stuff!

Why is it people infuriate you so much and as soon as you start tanking up you actually will try and beat the living crap out of them?

Because people in general are complete morons.  As a reasonably intelligent person, you have a limited tolerance for morons in the first place.  Not only does alcohol lower your inhibitions, it also lowers your tolerance for jackassery. 

As such... people who truly deserve a pounding become more likely to receive said pounding, that likelihood being directly proportionate to the amount of alcohol a nearby intelligent person has consumed.  Given an infinite time line, the probability of the potential poundee receiving said pounding approaches 1.

Call that Thernlund's 1st Law of Inebrio-dynamics.


We can as well infer from the 1st Law that the level of aggravation experienced by a given individual consuming alcohol in close proximity to a moron is directly proportionate to that individual's level of intelligence.

Aggravation being "A", intelligence being "N", and a moron's jackassery being "j"... A = Nj

Call that Thernlund's 2nd Law of Inebrio-dynamics.


Of course, the Laws assume intelligence is a constant.  It is well known that intelligence (not to be confused with common sense) is affected upon negatively by the consumption of alcohol.  When in the presence of individuals of equal or greater[1] intelligence, this is true. 

However, when in the presence of morons, the intelligence level remains a constant fixed value and cannot be negatively impacted, thereby affecting the aggravation level as described in the 2nd Law.

Call this Thernlund's Intoxication Paradox.


[1] When a given individual is among those of greater intelligence, the Laws still apply, but in reverse based on the perspective of the individual.  This is described in Thernlund's Special Law of Drunken Relativity.



"But what does it all mean, T?", I hear you ask.

It means, ipso-facto, that only the most intelligent people get arrested for drunken assault.


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: strangelittleman on December 08, 2009, 01:26:28 pm
Yes Hefeweizen is a great summertime beer. I love it's cloudy goodness.
Did you know that in the past, it was also known as "Fly beer" or "Barn beer"? This was due to the fermentation process and the "natural" introduction of yeast ( yeah flies naturally carry yeast on thier legs and they were allowed to walk all over the fermentation mix, thus introducing yeast to the process)......Yeah, I know, not very appetizing, but true.
Now thankfully, Hefeweizen is made under much more controlled a process! 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Canthros on December 08, 2009, 01:28:57 pm
Hefeweizen is sort of the wine cooler of beers.  It's beer for folks who don't really like beer.  Not to take away from Hefe though.  It's still good stuff!
It's sort of a gateway beer, really. Wheat makes a much better supplement to barley than does corn or rice, though. Bud's about the blandest beer I've ever tasted (it was free, however, which makes it, simultaneously, the best kind of beer)--I've really had tastier water. From a tap. (The tapwater on my college campus was pretty hard, though. You could see some of the impurities floating on top. Mmmm-mmmm.)

It means, ipso-facto, that only the most intelligent people get arrested for drunken assault.
:scrutiny :hmm :facepalm

I think your 2nd Law may be suspect, T.  :D
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on December 08, 2009, 01:41:29 pm
Hey man... the Laws don't lie.

;)


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Stevie-Ray on December 08, 2009, 08:31:47 pm
There a many wheat bears here in the states. Franziskaner Weissbier is a good import. Boulevard Wheat is from Kansas City and a damn fine wheat beer.
We have a micro-brew in our area that brews Maple Street Wheat. It is outstanding and has gotten me interested in wheat beers.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on December 08, 2009, 11:49:30 pm
What's the difference between Guinness stout and draught?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Irwin on December 08, 2009, 11:51:33 pm
Draught is poored from a keg.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on December 08, 2009, 11:56:12 pm
And stout comes straight from the vat?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Irwin on December 09, 2009, 12:01:08 am
Poured even, no if you buy a guinness in a pub it will be draught because they pump it out a keg (imo it makes most beers taste 30% better) Guinness is a stout thats the type of beer it is, draught just refers to if its out a keg or a bottle /can. So non draught is cans and bottles, draught is poured from a keg.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: bmitchell on December 09, 2009, 09:03:45 am
Actually (at least in the US) Guiness has marketed a "Guiness Draught" in a bottle available at most supermarkets.
From what I understand it has a little fizzymaker thing in the neck that causes a similar reaction to being poured out of the tap.
I don't recall if I've had any but I'd bet it's not as good as a real draught.

Ben
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Irwin on December 09, 2009, 09:17:55 am
Ahh but traditionalist maintain that draught can only be from the tap not a can or bottle and im inclined to agree. Plus Guinness is an over rated stout so who care right?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on December 09, 2009, 12:39:50 pm
I kind of think Guinness is a "band-wagon" beer.  IMO, the majority of people who order a Guinness only do so in order to show the friends they're with how sophisticated their taste in beer is.  ::)

Hand me a common, inexpensive, readily available Dos Equis Amber and I'm happy.

I'm not a fan of Guinness at all.  I suspect it was a brewing mistake, but Arthur Guinness was really tired of trying over and over for the past decade, so he said "Screw it.  Just ship it."


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on December 09, 2009, 12:42:40 pm
I only really tell people to try Guinness because everywhere has it. It is sorta the Budweiser of Stouts.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on December 09, 2009, 03:14:37 pm
So what is a real Stout then?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: bmitchell on December 09, 2009, 03:40:50 pm
I had a great St. Peters Stout a couple of times.  They aren't easy to find around here though.
Samuel Smith's Oatmeal Stout is pretty commonplace.

Ben
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on December 09, 2009, 03:47:47 pm
So what is a real Stout then?

Depends on the type of Stout you want. I enjoy oatmeal Stouts. Samuel Smith Oatmeal Stout is an excellent Stout IMO. Samuel Smith also has a good Imperial Stout as well. You might wanna man-up on that one. Imperials were made for the Russian court and taste like a Mosin looks, robust and solid with minimal finesse.

Left Hand brewery makes a fine Milk Stout as well.

You really need to get good Stout from a tap though. When they bottle em it makes em not as good from my experience. We have a place here in OKC called TapWerks Ale House. It has 100+ beers on tap at any one time. I am sure there is something like it in your neck of the woods. You can try a bunch that way one pint at a time.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Beamish on December 09, 2009, 03:47:58 pm
Plus Guinness is an over rated stout so who care right?
Correct.  Beamish is far better.  O0
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on December 09, 2009, 04:04:00 pm
Quote
You might wanna man-up on that one. Imperials were made for the Russian court and taste like a Mosin looks, robust and solid with minimal finesse.

Seeing that I like robust flavors, I'd probably dig the Imperial.  And I like the way the Mosin looks.  ;D

So how many different types of stouts are there?  And are they all similarly colored?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on December 09, 2009, 04:10:36 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stout (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stout)

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: cpaspr on December 10, 2009, 05:20:59 pm
Okay.  I've just killed the better part of an hour reading this entire thread.  And absolutely no one has mentioned some of my favorites.  So, upon applying the proper padding for the beating that is sure to follow:

Favorite beer:  Coors lite.  Wait!  Let me explain.  I'm not a beer drinker.  Never have been.  Hadn't had a beer in almost 30 years when my brother-in-law gave me a can of Coors along with a few bottles of wine when we left their place after visiting in May about 3 years ago.  That can sat in the fridge for almost a year until my wife said either drink it or toss it.  I said to leave it till July 4th and if I haven't had it by then, she could toss it.  Well, I finally drank it Memorial Day weekend.  And liked it!  She did too, once most of the fizz was gone.  She does not like bubbles in her drinks.  Now, on occasion, she'll drink a dark beer.  I don't like them.  Generally.  Though about five years ago she had one at a little microbrew up in Portland that was really, really good.  Unfortunately, I was the DD, so I only got a sip.  And we haven't been back to try and find that restaurant again.

Wine:  I generally don't like reds.  I much prefer sweet whites.  Reisling, White Zinfindel, Chardonnay.  Can't stand Champagne.  My absolute favorite though, is a Mead made in Salem.  Honeywood Winery.  Straight honey mead.  Sweetness in a bottle!  We bought a different brand of mead for Thanksgiving that we could find locally.  Waste of money.  It might have been waved at a mead barrel, but that's as close as it got to the real thing.  Basically just a generic white wine.  I said I generally don't like reds.  I forgot that Honeywood has a couple of house reds that are concord grape based that I really like.

Liquor:  Grand Marnier.  The cheap(er) orange labeled stuff is okay, but the silver label bottle is realllllly smooth.  A very nice sipping drink.  Also Bailey's Irish Creme.  Straight.  Occasionally peppermint schnappes and creme de cacao with half and half in coffee (peppermint patty).

Did I mention that I like things sweet?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on December 10, 2009, 07:20:24 pm
Did I mention that I like things sweet?

Disaronno Amaretto would probably appeal to you.

I like Amaretto in cappuccino.   Mmmmmmm.  ;)


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: HiVelSword on December 10, 2009, 09:16:25 pm
Okay, I'll pretty much drink anything because I'm a fan of the sauce.

Mead: Moniac, Lurgashall. Mead is probably my favorite alcoholic beverage

Favorite Vodka: Reyka. I won't pay for any other Vodka

Gin: Bombay Saffire

Rum: Pyrat

Tequila: Patron Burdeos. Me and four others went in on a bottle. Worth every penny. I like to add a couple drops of vanilla to mine.

Bourbon's, whiskey's and scotches: Knob Creek, Jameson's, Canadian Club, Mortlach single malt. My guilty pleasure: Wild Turkey.

Irish Cream: Carolan's

Treats: Drambuie, Voyant, shots of black sambuca with Chambord.

Beer: (on draught) Long Trail, Magic Hat #9, Sam Adams Cherry Wheat (has to be COLD), Sam Adams Oktoberfest, (bottles), Pilsner Urquell, Hoegaarden, Sam Adams Boston Ale

Again, I'll pretty much try/drink anything


Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on December 10, 2009, 09:22:42 pm
Wait, there are both Boston lagers and ales?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: HiVelSword on December 10, 2009, 09:52:29 pm
Wait, there are both Boston lagers and ales?

Indeed.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_zikSxOpljDc/SFvHeQbqRbI/AAAAAAAAAFU/DwmtTIdXx38/s400/Samual+Adams+Boston+Ale+2008.JPG)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on December 10, 2009, 11:19:15 pm
Any of you that enjoy sweet wines should try a Muscat/Moscato at some point.

Umberto Fiore Moscato d'asti is my favorite Moscato.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on December 11, 2009, 12:53:21 am
Wait, there are both Boston lagers and ales?

"Boston Lager" or "Boston Ale" is a brand.  Not a type of beer.  They are simply lagers and ales respectively.


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: strangelittleman on December 11, 2009, 12:39:18 pm
Okay, I'll pretty much drink anything because I'm a fan of the sauce.

Bourbon's, whiskey's and scotches: Knob Creek, Jameson's, Canadian Club, Mortlach single malt. My guilty pleasure: Wild Turkey.

Beer: (on draught) Long Trail, Magic Hat #9, Sam Adams Cherry Wheat (has to be COLD), Sam Adams Oktoberfest, (bottles), Pilsner Urquell, Hoegaarden, Sam Adams Boston Ale

Again, I'll pretty much try/drink anything



Yes! Knob Creek!!! Give Jim Beam Black a try also...it's great.
As for beer, I really like Dos Equis and Sapporo. Love those Mexican and Japanese beers.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: HiVelSword on December 11, 2009, 01:35:41 pm
Yes! Knob Creek!!! Give Jim Beam Black a try also...it's great.
As for beer, I really like Dos Equis and Sapporo. Love those Mexican and Japanese beers.

Yes, Knob Creek! I love to sip it from a shot glass! But I will definitely try Jim Beam Black. Possbily as soon as this evening!  :devillol
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Buckeye Redneck on December 11, 2009, 05:20:34 pm
Yes! Knob Creek!!! Give Jim Beam Black a try also...it's great.


They're both awesome because they come from the same place  :neener


Beer, I like me some Smithwick's.  Pronounce it like it reads in American English while in Ireland, and "Yer sayin' it wrong ya fookin' Yank!"

I'm a big fan of Pyrat rum lately, and Knob Creek.  Guilty pleasure:  Jack Daniels Black 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: strangelittleman on December 11, 2009, 05:57:56 pm
They're both awesome because they come from the same place  :neener
Yes sir you are right! Same Co. owns them.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: HiVelSword on December 12, 2009, 12:25:03 am
Well, I didn't make it to the liquor store but lo and behold! They had it at my company Christmas party tonight! It was very good. I liked it! Alas, I still prefer Knob Creek. Still, I enjoyed what I drank and that's what's important.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: RevDisk on December 13, 2009, 01:27:41 am

Planning at trying my hand at making my own alcohol.  Thankfully, seems like a very decent supply store is nearby.

http://www.mrsteves.com/start.php (http://www.mrsteves.com/start.php)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Irwin on December 13, 2009, 01:39:51 am
After xmas I'm going to get my dad to teach me the art of homebrew and make it in the shed, might have to wait till it warms up a bit though!
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JesseL on December 19, 2009, 12:40:35 am
I really liked Kilt Lifter made by Four Peaks brewery here in town.  Good stuff. 

Finally tried a Kilt Lifter. It didn't last long enough.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on December 19, 2009, 01:11:18 am
Isn't that supposed to be like this Forum's official beer?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on December 19, 2009, 07:33:52 pm
HVS-  Wild turkey?  Dang man, next thing we know you'll be drinking natural light beer too......... :vomit  ::) ;D

Boiled right down to it, give me a good heavy bodied amber beer(prefer unfiltered varieties), a decent whiskey or a nice bourbon and I'm good.  I can live without ta-kill-ya, vodka, gin and wine just fine.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Canthros on December 19, 2009, 09:16:20 pm
Hm. Bourbon: Booker's (not actually bourbon: % alcohol is too high), or Knob Creek are good. Beam's okay from my fuzzy memories of a wedding reception a few years back, but I can't make any direct comparisons. I confess to not having tried any of the many and varied other choices, though. Woodford Reserve is supposedly nice, but anybody I've talked to that seems to know anything much about the topic tells me it's overrated, so I haven't bothered.

Trying to figure out scotch at the moment. I remember Johnny Walker Black tasting about like flaming cardboard (or wood chips), but I've a bottle of Laphroaig that I'm getting on well with. Unfortunately, I mostly can't appreciate it: the iodine note comes through loud and strong, but the sea salt, peat and other flavors that are reputedly there seem to vanish 9 times out of 10, because sinus problems seem to be sabotaging my senses of smell and taste.  :-[ Once, though, it was heavenly!
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on December 20, 2009, 12:41:50 pm
Knob Creek is indeed good. Even though Jim Beam brands are generally not ones I care for, along with knob creek,  Basil Hayden's isn't bad at all. On the bottom end, I usually stop at Evan Williams black label. Most of Heaven Hill distilleries offerings are quite good, including Evan Williams single barrel, Eligah Craig 18 year old, old fitzgerald 12 year old, and several others.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Deer Hunter on December 20, 2009, 12:49:04 pm
I tried to drink beer the other night.  Some shiner.

Hated it.

Ethanol isn't for me. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on December 20, 2009, 01:12:06 pm
Shiner Bock?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on December 23, 2009, 01:08:04 am
Merry Christmas (https://wethearmed.com/index.php/topic,7044.0/topicseen.html)

How do you like your egg nogg?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Irwin on December 23, 2009, 01:57:27 pm
Ehhh egg nogg, will not drink that again!

Just checked my supplies and I only have 2 crates of stella and 2 crates of becks between me and my brother so we are off for a beer run.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JesseL on December 28, 2009, 11:54:21 pm
Finally tried a Kilt Lifter. It didn't last long enough.

Isn't that supposed to be like this Forum's official beer?

I'm gonna vote yesh on that.

*hic*
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Buckeye Redneck on December 29, 2009, 09:51:56 pm
Sailor Jerry's and the Wisconsin vs Miami game tonight, hurray!

It's like 50 degrees in Orlando, and all the Miami players are in longsleeves sitting under heaters on the sideline.  Buncha girls  :neener
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on December 30, 2009, 02:12:19 pm
I just had some Sam Adams Coastal Wheat.  They brew it with lemons.  Nice taste.  I liked it.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Raptor on January 01, 2010, 03:08:33 pm
Tried some Yuengling Traditional Lager the other night. Thought it was actually quite good. Not quite as good as the Edelweiss I had in Austria, but it's definitely my favorite American beer.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on January 04, 2010, 06:29:25 pm
I saw some of that Smithwicks stuff at the store yesterday and I was reminded of this thread...

Why is it good?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on January 04, 2010, 06:33:01 pm
I saw some of that Smithwicks stuff at the store yesterday and I was reminded of this thread...

Why is it good?

it is like a baby Guinness. Sorta a light stout
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: bmitchell on January 05, 2010, 08:49:18 am
I had a sip of Woodford Reserve and Glenmorangie at a friend's house last night.  Very smooth.

Ben
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mutant Musket on January 05, 2010, 09:05:30 am
What beer would go best with ham and pea soup? I had some shockingly good pea soup the other day with big chunks of browned ham in it, and it was clear that it should have had a beer to match.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: bmitchell on January 05, 2010, 09:44:18 am
I'd drink 1554 with just about anything.

Ben
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on February 10, 2010, 10:28:40 pm
May I inquire about Belgian ales such as Duvel and Chimay?

It seems that these come in rather unique bottles...
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Canthros on February 10, 2010, 10:42:24 pm
May I inquire about Belgian ales such as Duvel and Chimay?

It seems that these come in rather unique bottles...
They're tasty, and a little pricey. Bottles are just marketing, though.

I'd offer a little more, but it's been a while since I've had a Chimay, and don't have a clear memory of it.

Ah, one thing: you may want to pay attention to the abv, which should be printed on the label someplace. Those monastery ales are usually a little bit stiffer than most anything else not labeled IPA, and can run as high 9-10% abv, if memory serves. Just something to take into account.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on February 10, 2010, 11:01:00 pm
Ran into a nice local brew the other day.  Hops Rising brewed by Squatters.  Comes out at 85 on the IBU scale, and runs 9 % ABV.  So, if you like a good hoppy beer that stands up and skull punches you, give it a try.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JesseL on June 30, 2010, 10:10:39 pm
I'm really liking this:

(http://odellbrewing.com/images/bottles/90-shilling-1.jpg)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Harm on June 30, 2010, 10:23:19 pm
that looks... intriguing...

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: mjolnir1964 on July 01, 2010, 07:13:36 pm
Skullsplitter, from Orkney Breweries. 8.5% alc.

(http://ridgeviewliquor.com/skull%20splitter%20orkney%20ale.jpg)




My chest is a little bit hairier having drunk a couple bottles.  I also like McEwens Scotch Ale (if you can find it).

-R.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Storyteller on July 01, 2010, 08:07:07 pm
What beer would go best with ham and pea soup? I had some shockingly good pea soup the other day with big chunks of browned ham in it, and it was clear that it should have had a beer to match.
A slight dollup of dark rum into the soup, some crusty french style bread to soak it up, and who needs a beer?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on July 01, 2010, 09:01:54 pm
That 90 Shillings looks like something I'm going to have to try.  Meanwhile Fry's has Kiltlifter on sale so I'm obligated to be drinking it.   :beer
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on July 01, 2010, 10:25:16 pm
Redhook ESB is a standby - hard to beat that one day in day out.  Samuel Smith's Winter Welcome Ale has become a yearly event - I always buy a case in the fall.( any beer that quotes Shakespeare on the label is either taking itself WAY to seriously or is worth whatever you have to pay for it - as I said a yearly event.)  Laphroaig has been mentioned - I find it to be the best ten year old single malt Scotch - period.  Honorable mention to the Balvenie 12 year old single wood and Highland Park.  The best bourbon on the planet is George T. Stagg - if you haven't tried it you have no clear understanding of what the term "bourbon" means.  Honorable mention goes to Black Maple Hill and Rip Van Winkle in the premium bourbon class and Henry McKenna in the Kentucky solvent class.  Vodka is a dangerous agricultural by-product and should be avoided.  Tequila is an interesting spirit - neither wine nor beer nor whiskey in the traditional sense but excellent in its own right.  I prefer El Tesoro de Don Felipe, anjejo. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: bmitchell on July 02, 2010, 09:38:00 am
New Belgium makes a white that beats out Blue Moon just barely.
The higher cost evens the scale.

Their 1554 is also delightful.

My ex-roommate just gave me another jug of some 1980 homemade muscadine wine he found.   :dance :beer

Ben
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on July 02, 2010, 09:14:10 pm
Tonight, in honor of the approaching date on the calendar, I am having perfectly seasoned venison tenderloin medallions(cooked properly in a cast iron pan of course), with just a touch of Elijah Craig 12 year old added for a little extra flavor, with homemade twice baked beans on the side, along with a fresh salad and baked squash that came from this Americans garden.  
With a little more Elijah Craig 12 yr. old to help wash it all down of course. ;)  God bless Kentucky limestone.


I'm enjoying this meal while watching a documentary titled A More Perfect Union, America Becomes a Nation .

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on July 03, 2010, 01:41:44 pm
NICE.  Enjoy yourself and have a great weekend.   :clap
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Harm on July 13, 2010, 05:03:36 pm
two words.  Irish Carbomb.   :kilteek
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: bmitchell on July 13, 2010, 05:11:11 pm
Does a post in this thread mean I should drink tonight?

Ben
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Storyteller on July 13, 2010, 05:15:23 pm
two words.  Irish Carbomb.   :kilteek
Harm, why mess up prefect(ly good) Irish whiskey by mixing it? Middleton's, in a rocks glass to allow the breath of the bouquet, and good smoke, some lively conversation or just some favorite music. Don't get no better.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Harm on July 13, 2010, 05:25:36 pm
Storyteller - a carbomb is the only way to successfully navigate Guiness Stout without already being inebreiated.   ;D  I love Guiness but stout is another story. 

My favorite is to freeze an 8 ball glass first and then fill it with two fingers of whiskey.  The perfect drink to relax with.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on July 13, 2010, 05:31:02 pm
Jesse I tried the 90 Shillings.  Good beer but I like Kiltlifter better.  But now I have a standby when Fry's is out of KL  :cheers
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JesseL on July 13, 2010, 05:41:35 pm
Yep, you really can't go wrong with either one  :beer

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Harm on July 13, 2010, 05:45:20 pm
Coyotes and I have already discussed the merits of KL on TAP!   :neener
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JesseL on July 13, 2010, 05:50:05 pm
Coyotes and I have already discussed the merits of KL on TAP!   :neener

I'm going to need to make another trip down to the valley...
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Harm on July 13, 2010, 05:53:48 pm
I'm going to need to make another trip down to the valley...

Whenever you're ready and available brother!
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Evil Jim on July 13, 2010, 06:11:06 pm
I had a nice bottle of Arrogant Bastard Ale over the weekend, I need to go get a replacement.


Jim
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: jaeger on July 13, 2010, 09:50:25 pm
Like:
Yuengling American Lager
Guinness Extra Stout
Guinness Draught
Newcastle Brown Ale
Sapporo
Pilsner Urquell

Learn from my mistakes:
That damned Kirkland handcraft box at Costco
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on July 14, 2010, 03:36:08 am
In Mexico this is fair game.  Really.

This "big brew" is as local as I'll get---cerveza from Sinaloa.

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs146.snc4/36677_1154580322246_1759851430_295033_803817_n.jpg)

Of course, you gotta have that with food.

Appetizer, consists of queso fundido.
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs126.snc4/36677_1154580362247_1759851430_295034_3649843_n.jpg)

And of course, a tenderloin carne asada cut.  This cut is called cabreria, and it's unique to the state of Sinaloa.
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs066.ash2/36677_1154580442249_1759851430_295036_7893771_n.jpg)

I have my steak done medium.  Don't like the rare too often...
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: bmitchell on July 14, 2010, 08:49:21 am
I had an awesome rare prime rib the other day.
Never seen Pacifico Clara before.  How is it?

Ben
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on July 14, 2010, 11:29:15 am
Pacifico is to Corona pretty much as Bud Light is to Coors Light.  I think Pacifico is sightly better than Corona (possibly due to the darker bottle glass).

I like Pacifico for hanging by the pool.


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: bmitchell on July 14, 2010, 11:49:29 am
Interesting.  I prefer Tecate in a can over Corona...but I'm not exactly the most colorful crayon in the box.

Ben
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on July 14, 2010, 02:18:21 pm
I agree with T.  Pacifico is better than Corona (though they're from the same company--Cerveceria Modelo SA de CV).  This company also makes Modelo, and Negra Modelo.  While in Mexico, I also took the liberty to try Negra Modelo.  It was a good standard dark lager.

This is their line up:
(http://static.obolog.net/multimedia/fotos/38000/37876/37876-36079_p.jpg)
(http://www.alfa-editores.com/web/images/stories/NOTIALFA/NotiAlfa_184_25_Agosto_2008/nacional_2.gif)


The other big Mexican company is Cerveceria Cuauthemoc SA de CV.  They sell Tecate, Dos Equis, Indio, Sol, Carta Blanca, etc.

(http://directorioeventti.com/proveedores_img/343.jpg)


Interestingly enough, both of these companies have [seemingly] big buildings in my city.  I know Cuauthemocv has a factory near my aunt's house, because we drive by it all the time (when I'm there).  And I do recall Modelo to have some type of distribution center in downtown Culiacan; lots of trucks and stuff. 

Beer is easily available, and I've seen Caguamas and Ballenas sell cheaper than a 2liter bottle of Mex Coke.  You can buy it almost anywhere.  In Mexico, they have these stores called "Oxxos" which are similar to 7-11.  They all have beer available.  And then there are the stores that either sell Cuathemoc or Modelo products.  It seems that  the big companies franchise out these little stores.  At these, you can buy in bulk for a party.  Tecate Light seems to  be the party swill of choice there.  You can get an 8 pack for less than $5, IIRC.

Where I come from, right now (at the time of this post) given that it's summer in July, it's probably like 96 degrees with 29% humidity.

Right now, it's actually 93 F with 52% humidity and clear skies.
http://www.google.com/search?q=culiacan+weather+forecast&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a (http://www.google.com/search?q=culiacan+weather+forecast&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a)

The point is, it's fricking hot--like Phoenix but it feels like you are in a swamp, even though there aren't any. 
:panic

Beer has this refreshing property.  So in my opinion, Cold Ones are as essential as Air conditioning in Sinaloa.

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on July 14, 2010, 02:30:07 pm
While in Mexico, I also took the liberty to try Negra Modelo.  It was a good standard dark lager.


Oooo...  I can agree with that.  For a Mexican beer, Nerga Modelo is pretty good.  About on par with Dos Equis Amber, but a bit thicker.


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on July 14, 2010, 04:58:06 pm

Oooo...  I can agree with that.  For a Mexican beer, Nerga Modelo is pretty good.  About on par with Dos Equis Amber, but a bit thicker.


-T.

XX Amber is one of the beers that my mother has let me try as well.  It's better than the one in the green bottle.  Excellent with tacos.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on July 14, 2010, 05:26:11 pm

Oooo...  I can agree with that.  For a Mexican beer, Nerga Modelo is pretty good.  About on par with Dos Equis Amber, but a bit thicker.


-T.

Negra Modelo is my favorite Mexican beer!
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on August 10, 2010, 12:02:03 am
I felt obliged to post this:

(http://estranhoseuropeus.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/german_beer_girl_costumes.jpg)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on August 10, 2010, 03:02:19 am
nice embroidery. . .
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Raptor on August 10, 2010, 11:57:15 am
Wait, I'm sorry, but was there alcohol in that picture? I didn't see any...  ;)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Cookie on August 10, 2010, 02:22:59 pm
I'll drink a lot of things, but I have my regular standbys...

Beer:
Anything brewed by Unibroue; La Fin du Monde and Maudite are my favorites. The label art rocks pretty hard too. It's hard to find, so I have Sam Adam's Summer Ale and Blackberry Witbier in the fridge right now.

Liquor:
Islay Scotches, Laphroaig being my first choice. Woodford Reserve bourbon.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: bmitchell on August 10, 2010, 02:47:47 pm
Fin du Monde is exceptional.

Ben
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on August 14, 2010, 09:09:47 am
Tried a genuine Polish beer last night- ZYWIEC

Meh.  Not too different from a bud in a can.  At least I can say I've broadened my horizons a bit.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on August 31, 2010, 05:34:54 pm
You know there is a point in my life at college I might have worn this...

Hops Holster 12 Pack (http://www.trendhunter.com/photos/84374/1#1)

(http://cdn.trendhunterstatic.com/thumbs/hops-holster-12-pack.jpeg)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Feud on August 31, 2010, 07:40:10 pm
How very tacti-brew.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on December 18, 2010, 07:13:59 am
I've been drinking some Blue Moon seasonal Winter Abbey Ale  :clap :beer Good stuff!
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MacLean on December 18, 2010, 04:52:07 pm
I found a beer at Cost Plus that was simply amazing, but sadly I can't consume it any more.

It's called Victory V-12, and in addition to kicking your ass with a 12% ABV content it is very tasty.

Unfortunately, something in it causes me to turn bright red in blotches all over my skin. Only time in my life I have ever had a histamine reaction like that.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JesseL on December 18, 2010, 05:02:16 pm
I'll have to check that out next time I'm at Cost Plus.

Last time I picked up a bottle of Ommegang Abbey Ale which I thoroughly enjoyed.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chief45 on December 18, 2010, 08:18:12 pm
I'm taking LDN for my CS.  I don't drink anymore,  it just don't feel right when I do.  Left off the beer a long time ago, got to where it just did not taste good anymore.  last few years that I did drink it was Crown and Coke or Crown and 7.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: mwcoleburn on December 18, 2010, 09:28:03 pm
I'm blessed with some excellent brewers in the area, my top 3 right now are

Hale's Cream Ale
Mac and Jacks African Amber
Walking Man's Black Cherry Stout *which is about the best beer I have ever tasted
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: mwcoleburn on December 18, 2010, 09:31:52 pm
oh and for any of my fellow northwest washingtonians and Collin's down in pioneer square has the black cherry stout on tap.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on December 18, 2010, 09:57:10 pm
Just finished the last of a case of Samuel Smith's Winter Welcome Ale.  To me, that is how beer should taste.  Probably the best beer on the planet IMHO.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Car 4 on December 18, 2010, 11:06:10 pm
I found a beer at Cost Plus that was simply amazing, but sadly I can't consume it any more.

It's called Victory V-12, and in addition to kicking your ass with a 12% ABV content it is very tasty.

Unfortunately, something in it causes me to turn bright red in blotches all over my skin. Only time in my life I have ever had a histamine reaction like that.

It isn't pastuerized....so neither of us can drink it. I almost died drinking one of my detective's home made stuff with deer chilie. Sorry, son....better luck next time.

Car 4 :facepalm
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on December 19, 2010, 02:01:07 am
It's a real shame that the state doesn't entrust me with a brew.  Honestly, it's all part of eating well.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on January 16, 2011, 10:49:46 pm
Well, I am in the old country right now (no luck on getting back my shotguns just yet  >:( ) and I have tried a little Don Julio after my meal because it is perfectly legal here.

(http://www.skyline-electronics.com.mx/images/Don%20Julio%20Reposado..png)

It was very good, very smooth when drunk straight (after dinner).  I am sure that this is better than Jose Cuervo and other such te-kill-ya.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MacLean on January 16, 2011, 11:51:39 pm
Well, I am in the old country right now (no luck on getting back my shotguns just yet  >:( ) and I have tried a little Don Julio after my meal because it is perfectly legal here.

(http://www.skyline-electronics.com.mx/images/Don%20Julio%20Reposado..png)

It was very good, very smooth when drunk straight (after dinner).  I am sure that this is better than Jose Cuervo and other such te-kill-ya.

Cuervo shouldn't even be called tequila. It's mostly grain alcohol.

That's like the Japanese putting the title "scotch" on whatever foul nasty s___ they try to pass off.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on January 17, 2011, 02:03:07 am
I don't really drink or go to bars (obviously), so I don't really know which tequila is good and which is bad (it's like buying vodka in Eastern Europe---you'll have like a 1000 different brands to choose from).  I just knew that Don Julio has always been a "decent" tequila, and that's also what was on hand.  So I think I made a good choice.


Also, I just wanted to share a little trivia about the region where tequila comes from:

This is what the locals are supposed to look like,

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_0gKMpFFKpGs/SqWMpP7oUHI/AAAAAAAABxQ/qX9N_37S08Y/s400/maribel-1.jpg)

(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:BUvq3tY71g_uoM:http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn141/ucale/america/America_008.jpg&t=1)

Apparently, the people of the Los Altos, Jalisco region are all French/Spanish.  Somehow, the natives disappeared from that region (IDK if it was intentional, or the small pox accidentally did them in.)  What I do know, is that I wouldn't mind having "Hacienda de FMJ" in that region, where I can walk around with that S&W 586 I desire.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: mwcoleburn on January 17, 2011, 03:02:02 am

Apparently, the people of the Los Altos, Jalisco region are all French/Spanish.  Somehow, the natives disappeared from that region (IDK if it was intentional, or the small pox accidentally did them in.)  What I do know, is that I wouldn't mind having "Hacienda de FMJ" in that region, where I can walk around with that S&W 586 I desire.

With the current situation, I think I'd walk around with more than a 586, Like a platoon of marines guarding a walled compound  :coffee
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MacLean on January 17, 2011, 03:27:45 am
I don't really drink or go to bars (obviously), so I don't really know which tequila is good and which is bad (it's like buying vodka in Eastern Europe---you'll have like a 1000 different brands to choose from).  I just knew that Don Julio has always been a "decent" tequila, and that's also what was on hand.  So I think I made a good choice.

There are alcohols that are.... traditional to the people who originated them.

Then, there is marketing.

Somewhere in between are some truly novel experiences with alcohols.

Cuervo is marketing. Picture drunken college chicks looking for a cheap tequila experience. Patron is marketing. Picture highbrow bulls___ters drinking it because it's expensive.

Somewhere in between lies a tradition of making alcohol from agave.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on January 17, 2011, 03:40:45 am
I had no clue that "Patron" was supposed to be highbrow, actually.  I figured that it was right there next to Cuervo, because it is so heavily advertised to Americans.


I think I want to bring back a bottle of that Don Julio with me, for this reason:
"Somewhere in between lies a tradition of making alcohol from agave."

It appears to me that DJ lies in the middle, in that it isnt cheap s___, but not for highbrow bulls___ters* either.


**Ever see that episode of Penn & Teller about "The Best," by the way?  It's all about that.


Another thing I learned during this trip, is that putting a good liquor in certain cocktails is wasteful, since you cant really taste the liquor itself.  That's my inexperienced opinion anyway.

Also, the alcohol laws here are a little weird, but I can buy it @ 18, so I wont complain.  I'll just have to get that Negra Modelo some other time.  For the record, XX Amber is still the best overall Mexican beer, IMNSHO.  I say its comparable to Sam Adams Boston Lager.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MacLean on January 17, 2011, 04:52:04 am
Another thing I learned during this trip, is that putting a good liquor in certain cocktails is wasteful, since you cant really taste the liquor itself.  That's my inexperienced opinion anyway.

Matters of taste are never up for debate.

Personally, I do not believe in cocktails. Those alcohols that are experienced correctly are experienced without addition.

Hence my distaste for impure spirits.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on January 17, 2011, 11:35:39 am
oh and for any of my fellow northwest washingtonians and Collin's down in pioneer square has the black cherry stout on tap.

If you're actually in Seattle proper, I highly recommend Maritime Pacific Brewing.  Their Jolly Roger Christmas Ale is one of my all time favorites, and dang near impossible to find anywhere but the brewpub proper in December.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on January 17, 2011, 11:45:09 am
If you're actually in Seattle proper, I highly recommend Maritime Pacific Brewing.  Their Jolly Roger Christmas Ale is one of my all time favorites, and dang near impossible to find anywhere but the brewpub proper in December.

Looks like a place I need to visit next time I'm in the Seattle area.  Any brewery that calls their taproom the Jolly Roger gets a :thumbup1
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on January 17, 2011, 11:50:08 am
FMJ I'd take Negra Modelo over Dos Equis any day
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Feud on January 17, 2011, 12:34:11 pm
Anyone up for Scotch in a can?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1347824/Scottish-whisky-way-South-Americans-like-.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1347824/Scottish-whisky-way-South-Americans-like-.html)

I don't know what I find funnier, the idea of Scotch in a can, or that some people are getting so worked up over it.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: RevDisk on January 17, 2011, 12:35:10 pm
Well, in about one or three months, there will be the "RevDisk Riesling" wine.  

 ;D


Bad cell phone picture:

(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1386.snc4/163876_487024709386_740499386_6178969_1875107_n.jpg)
 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on January 17, 2011, 02:27:46 pm
Looks like a place I need to visit next time I'm in the Seattle area.  Any brewery that calls their taproom the Jolly Roger gets a :thumbup1

Jolly Roger is the name of the brew.  Sports a skull and crossbones, with the skull wearing a Santa hat.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on January 17, 2011, 03:08:35 pm
http://maritimebrewery.ypguides.net/page/nun7/Jolly_Roger_Taproom.html (http://maritimebrewery.ypguides.net/page/nun7/Jolly_Roger_Taproom.html)

Near as I can tell they don't export to Arizona darn it!
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on January 17, 2011, 03:30:16 pm
FMJ I'd take Negra Modelo over Dos Equis any day


I won't lie.  I like both.  One thing that I dont like is light beer.  It tastes like water and has no real flavor.  Party swill is what it is.




Does anyone homebrew?  (I would be interested in it, but I think I'd rather invest in handloading equipement.  I mean, if Im gonna RYO something, it should be ammunition.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on January 17, 2011, 04:15:09 pm
Does anyone homebrew?

I did once with a friend who was into it.  Honestly, unless it's something that you really love, it's kind of a pain in the ass.


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MacLean on January 17, 2011, 04:46:00 pm
http://maritimebrewery.ypguides.net/page/nun7/Jolly_Roger_Taproom.html (http://maritimebrewery.ypguides.net/page/nun7/Jolly_Roger_Taproom.html)

Near as I can tell they don't export to Arizona darn it!


That taproom is about a block away from one of the best firearms instructors in the world.

If you ever make it out this way, I'll visit with you down there. Ballard is an interesting part of Seattle.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: xsquidgator on January 17, 2011, 05:36:52 pm
Chimay is well worth the $, once in a while.  Chimay comes in 3 varieties and I can't ever remember all the names.  However, they're easy to tell apart, as the labels are blue, red, or white.  The blue label Chimay is called "Grande Reserve" and is imo the best of the three, and the heaviest.  Up around 9 or 10%.  The red is quite good too, but a little lighter than the blue Grande Reserve, and the white label Chimay is lighter yet.  The white isn't bad at all either, but being so light it looks kind of like a regular beer almost when you pour it into a glass, as opposed to the blue label Grande Reserve.  That stuff looks almost like coke in a glass.  Around here (FL) Chimay runs about $9 or $10 for a 750ml bottle which is maybe 2 to 3 decent sized dinner drinks to me.  As one of my friends says, one of those 750ml bottles will really "take the edge off".

I love Chimay but in order to not go overboard, I save it for special occasions like Thanksgiving, Christmas, and maybe one other time during the year.  As good as Chimay is (and that's good all right) I found another Belgian Trappist ale that's even a little bit better than Chimay.  That would be St. Bernardus "Abt 12" ale.  About like the Chimay blue label "Grande Reserve" but just a tad smoother (and more expensive still).

There's a neat alternative to Chimay that's less expensive, and easier to find.  That would be Unibroue's "Maudite" ale.  Down here, Publix supermarkets carry them in 4 packs.  It's expensive for beer but less expensive than the Chimay.  A French friend of mine said "Maudite" meant "Damned" in French, which would explain the artwork on the label.  The label has a canoe flying through the air with some lubmerjacks paddling away, while a devil/demon stands watching them with an evil smile.  Not a friendly Arizona State Sun Devil kind of devil, a mean horror movie kind of devil.  The story on the label says legend has it a bunch of lumberjacks up in Quebec sold their souls to the devil if he would get them to the festival in time to drink some "damned fine" ale, so off they went through the air in their canoe.  Creepy, but they're right, it is some "damned fine" ale.  Ah, here we go.  -->  http://www.unibroue.com/en/beers/maudite/product (http://www.unibroue.com/en/beers/maudite/product)

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JesseL on January 17, 2011, 05:49:38 pm
Hey xsquidgator, have you tried Ommegang Abbey Ale (http://www.ommegang.com/index.php?mcat=1&scat=2&yr=1)?

I picked up a bottle at World Market for significantly less than the Chimay they had ($5.99 vs ~$9 irc) and though I'm still developing my palate, I thought it compared pretty well. Good stuff.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Storyteller on January 17, 2011, 06:14:47 pm
While looking for my favorite Irish (John Powers Gold Label) I happened upon, purchased, and have found very enjoyable a bottle of John L. Sullivan. It is a single barrel Irish whiskey, aged in used Bourbon casks. Quite smooth, with a nice nose, and distinctive flavour. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: xsquidgator on January 17, 2011, 07:18:16 pm
Hey xsquidgator, have you tried Ommegang Abbey Ale (http://www.ommegang.com/index.php?mcat=1&scat=2&yr=1)?

I picked up a bottle at World Market for significantly less than the Chimay they had ($5.99 vs ~$9 irc) and though I'm still developing my palate, I thought it compared pretty well. Good stuff.
No I haven't, thanks for the tip!  I'll see if Total Wine has it.  A year ago we had an awesome mom and pop liquor store in our neighborhood that had this stuff, but they went out of business (and I already drank up all the stuff I bought in their going out of business sale)  :(
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on January 17, 2011, 08:57:49 pm
That taproom is about a block away from one of the best firearms instructors in the world.

If you ever make it out this way, I'll visit with you down there. Ballard is an interesting part of Seattle.

Sounds like a plan!  I just looked it up on the map.  It appears I was close by the last time I was up there for my Uncle's wedding.  I had some time to kill before my flight back so I went to the Woodland Park zoo.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JD on January 18, 2011, 02:06:07 am
Even though I don't really drink anymore (there's a few reasons, no past alcoholism here.), I'd like to try this. Maybe buy a bottle for special occasions only, and If I had the cash.

Cyrstal Head Vodka (http://crystalheadvodka.com/welcome)

(http://www.drinkspirits.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/crystalhead.jpg)

And Dan Aykroyd's involved. Bustin' makes me feel good!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrZPFQxHLUc# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrZPFQxHLUc#)

Everyone I spoke with who has a bottle, er skull, has said it's wonderful. It comes highly recommended. I can get a really good price on one locally too. The 750 ml, not the 1.5's.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: RevDisk on January 18, 2011, 09:52:00 am
I did once with a friend who was into it.  Honestly, unless it's something that you really love, it's kind of a pain in the ass.

When did your buddy do it?   Ten years ago, I'd agreed with him.  Now, it's pretty simple. 

Like everything else, between niche shops and the internet, it's pretty easy and cheap if you do your homework.  Homebrewing is as easy or difficult as you want it to be.  You can buy a hardware kit and a wine kit, and make wine easily by following the directions.  Or you can DIY for a lot of stuff, more difficult but cheaper.  Plenty of DVDs, book, forums or YouTube videos.  Plus just about any decent homebrewing business has classes. 

Only thing these days people still seem to think is a PITA is sanitation.   I don't get that, as there are plenty of no rinse cleaners and sanitizers out there.  The US Army taught me cleaning by the numbers, and an interest in medical stuff put the polish on.  If you can strip an M16 and clean it to a drill sergeant's satisfaction, homebrewing sanitation is dirt simple.  Scrub with a brush and hot water.  Use cleaner with hot water.  Dump.  Allow to air dry for a bit.  Use acid sterilizer with hot water.  Dump.  Allow to air dry for a bit.  Good to go. 

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: eskimo jim on January 18, 2011, 10:49:28 am
Does anyone homebrew?  (I would be interested in it, but I think I'd rather invest in handloading equipement.  I mean, if Im gonna RYO something, it should be ammunition.


FMJ,
I brewed a batch last January/February for the first time.  It isn't difficult but can be time consuming.  I think that making the wort took an evening.  I think I started around 4pm and had everything cleaned up for 9:30pm or so.  It took a while because I went through it very methodically and my stove was tripping a bad breaker.  I brewed an English Pale Ale from a Brewer's Best beer kit.  It came out pretty well.

I received two more kits for Christmas and I'll brew again.

I'd suggest a complete kit that contains the bottle caps etc.  This is similar to buying a cake mix to some degree.  It contains everything you'll need to brew the beer except water and bottles.  If you're interested in home brewing, start saving your non-screw top beer bottles.  Also, look at antique stores for a bottle capper.  The bottle capper in a basic kit can be a pain to use.

Basic brewing equipment can come in kits.

The only challenge I had is that when brewing ales, you need to let the wort ferment above 65 degrees or so.  I tend to keep the house colder than that in the winter yet my beer came out fine.

When home brewing, you will have a little bit of sediment in each bottle.  This is normal.  I lost about a quart or so of beer in order to minimize the sediment in the bottles.

Bottling five gallons of beer can take some time with a hand bottle capper.  I think that took a couple of hours.

Overall, I'd plan on a solid afternoon/evening when you prepare the wort for fermentation and about two weeks later you'll need to spend a couple of hours racking and bottling.

Jim
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: eskimo jim on January 18, 2011, 11:17:58 am
Anyone up for Scotch in a can?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1347824/Scottish-whisky-way-South-Americans-like-.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1347824/Scottish-whisky-way-South-Americans-like-.html)

I don't know what I find funnier, the idea of Scotch in a can, or that some people are getting so worked up over it.

It can get worse.  A few months ago at a larger liquor store, they were selling vodka, gin and scotch in ketchup packets.  I guess this was marketed towards the younger crowd who could buy a coke in a club and add their own refreshment to it rather than buy overpriced drinks.  I looked at the package of scotch packets and it said bottled in South Africa.

Jim
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: RevDisk on January 18, 2011, 12:58:39 pm

Oh, beer.  Yea...   Bottling for beer can suck unless you use large bottles or create an assembly line with a few buddies.  You can keg the beer, and save an insane amount of time.   Plus, if you keg the beer you don't have to add the carbonizing sugar, as you're going to use a CO2 tank for that.  If you're in a rush, the kegging thing also takes roughly two weeks off the beer recommended "aging" time.  Easier to clean, etc etc.  I still like bottles.  I just get very large ones.   

 ;D

Sediment is going to always be a very minor problem unless you filter (few homebrewers do).  You generally rack (switch from one container to the other) once a week to minimize it.  Plus you can cheat by using something like Irish moss.  
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on January 18, 2011, 01:06:09 pm
When did your buddy do it?   Ten years ago, I'd agreed with him.  Now, it's pretty simple.  

Oh... 5 years ago maybe?  

He didn't say it was a PITA.  He loved it.  I just thought it was though.  I'd rather just leave the brewing to those who know how.  I'm not a connoisseur or anything like that.  I just like a decent drink in a cold glass.  In that vein, anything beyond fishing out my wallet and/or looking for a bottle opener is going to a PITA to me.


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JD on January 18, 2011, 01:49:48 pm
It can get worse.  A few months ago at a larger liquor store, they were selling vodka, gin and scotch in ketchup packets.  I guess this was marketed towards the younger crowd who could buy a coke in a club and add their own refreshment to it rather than buy overpriced drinks.  I looked at the package of scotch packets and it said bottled in South Africa.

Jim

Which reminds me...

Saw this on an episode of Sons Of Anarchy this past season. The Jameson Juice Box!
It's not a real product from Jameson, but kind of funny though.

(http://www.portlandmercury.com/images/blogimages/2010/12/01/1291244431-juice_box_of_jameson.png)

 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on January 23, 2011, 10:43:02 pm
Hey guys-

There is a bill going in TX legislature HB660 that is about allowing brewpubs to distribute their beer directly to stores (they can only do on site as of now) and microbreweries to sell beer on site.  This is a good thing for those of us in TX that like GOOD beer, and its gaining support.  I install draught beer equipment and some of these guys are my customers and friends.  Figure I'd spread the word.

Here is the link for more info via Scott Metzger's (owner of Freetail Brewing Co. in San Antonio, TX)  blog:

 http://brewednotbattered.wordpress.com (http://brewednotbattered.wordpress.com)

Additionally, since I sell and install equipment, if anyone out there needs some or advice hit me up.  Advice is always free, even good advice.

-Chris
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on January 25, 2011, 10:40:07 pm
Thanks for the tip.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on January 26, 2011, 09:22:50 am
OK, this may sound wierd - but I need some suggestions for some gulping liquor.

See, the Mrs, for whatever reason, loves the TV show "The Biggest Loser."  And part of her fun is vocally disliking various contestants.  Her responses to her disliked player(s) run along the lines of "I just want to punch that chick/dude in the face," and "I can't stand that b*tch/a**hole."

So, I'm making it a drinking game - nothing to do with the show, and all about her response to watching the show.  (And yes, she knows, and I have her permission.  We just have to watch on Hulu on Friday night).

It's been a long time since college.  What's appropriate liquor for such an endeavor?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on January 26, 2011, 11:07:24 am
Sangria (http://wine.about.com/od/redwines/r/basicSangria.htm).  Good alcohol content without getting you totally hammered too early, and it's tasty.

Use a lowball glass (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_fashioned_glass) about half full for each gulp.


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on January 26, 2011, 02:19:20 pm
That recipe doesn't use quite as much brandy as mine does.   :D  I like the suggeston though.  (Ever try to get a Spaniard to divulge his sangria recipe?  Might as well try to get a Southerner to divulge his barbeque recipe.)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on January 26, 2011, 02:36:01 pm
Quote
It's been a long time since college.  What's appropriate liquor for such an endeavor?

Jungle Juice (http://www.drinksmixer.com/drink7799.html)   :vomit

I can't find the smiley for waking up and not remembering what happened last night.   :panic  On second thought maybe it's a bad idea  :hide
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on January 26, 2011, 03:33:29 pm
The egg nog in Mexico has booze in it, but the one I buy here at the store doesn't.  WTF?

Actually, it isn't that bad, but I think I like the one sans booze, since you can drink more.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Harm on January 26, 2011, 03:40:47 pm
The egg nog in Mexico has booze in it, but the one I buy here at the store doesn't.  WTF?

Actually, it isn't that bad, but I think I like the one sans booze, since you can drink more.

 :facepalm
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on January 26, 2011, 03:46:20 pm
What?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: RevDisk on January 27, 2011, 12:31:47 am
The egg nog in Mexico has booze in it, but the one I buy here at the store doesn't.  WTF?

Actually, it isn't that bad, but I think I like the one sans booze, since you can drink more.

They make an alcoholic version, and non-alcoholic version.  I'm not sure of the alcohol sales laws in California, but in Pennsylvania, anything not beer or wine is typically reserved for the state store.  Alcoholic eggnog would be treated identical to say, vodka or rum.  Obviously, must be 21 to purchase. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on January 27, 2011, 12:50:53 am
Since I had never seen the one with booze here, I only thought that the one in Mexico had booze.  I mean, I haven't been around that long, and I don't know everything...yet.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on January 27, 2011, 10:25:09 am
You're better off buying ( or making ) the non alcoholic stuff and then adding the alcohol of your preference.  That way you get to pick the flavor and the strength you want.  Some folks add brandy, some add rum, some add bourbon, some add Irish whiskey - you get the idea.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on January 27, 2011, 11:18:20 am
OK, this may sound wierd - but I need some suggestions for some gulping liquor.

See, the Mrs, for whatever reason, loves the TV show "The Biggest Loser."  And part of her fun is vocally disliking various contestants.  Her responses to her disliked player(s) run along the lines of "I just want to punch that chick/dude in the face," and "I can't stand that b*tch/a**hole."

So, I'm making it a drinking game - nothing to do with the show, and all about her response to watching the show.  (And yes, she knows, and I have her permission.  We just have to watch on Hulu on Friday night).

It's been a long time since college.  What's appropriate liquor for such an endeavor?

I don't claim to be an expert on this kind of thing but I suppose it depends on your taste.  Most gulpers ( shots I presume ) prefer an 80 proof version of their favorite type of whiskey rather than the higher proof versions.   Nearly all hard liquor is available at that strength.  The hard core types will do what is referred to as a "boilermaker" which is a shot with a beer chaser.  An hour of that will leave you with a respectable buzz unless "the Mrs." is in a particularly vocal mood.  In that case get her to bring you a blanket and just stay on the sofa  ;D .   An alternative might be to make up a pitcher of margaritas or screwdrivers and just drain the glass at the appropriate moment.  Something over ice is a little less in your face than a shot straight up or "neat" to borrow a term from our British brethren. 

Canadian whiskey is probably the most even tempered and predictable of the bunch followed by Irish whiskey and some of the premium vodkas.  Light rum would be next followed by dark rum.  Bourbon, brandy, Scotch and tequila all tend to be more flavorful and somewhat less predictable.  As I said, all of these are available at 80 proof in various brands at most retail liquor stores.  Higher proof versions are also available up to 151 proof ( roughly 75% alcohol ) but I wouldn't recommend them as "gulpers".

Some of the brands I have tried and would drink again if offered:

Canadian:  Wiser's, Canadian Club, Black Velvet, Pendleton   -   Irish:  Jameson's, Old Bushmills, Powers, The Tyrconnell   -    Vodka:  Seagram's Extra Smooth, Finlandia, Ketel One, Tito's  -  Light rum:  Bacardi, Cruzan,  Mount Gay  -  Dark rum:  Meyer's, Mount Gay, Appleton Estate, Pusser's British Navy rum  -  Bourbon:  Weller's  Maker's Mark, Henry McKenna, Buffalo Trace  -  Brandy:  E & J, Hennessy, Christian Brother's  -  Scotch:  J & B Rare,  Dewar's White Label,  Johnnie Walker ( red or black ), Cutty Sark  - Tequila:  Sauza Commemorativo or Hornitos ( reposado ),  El Jimador ( reposado ),  Herradura ( reposado ),  Jose Cuervo Gold

Not a comprehensive list to be sure but maybe a place to start.  Some of these are quite good and none of them completely suck IMHO.  Your taste may vary but generally speaking you get what you pay for - more expensive is not always better but often times is.  If something intrigues you try to find one of the miniature bottles that are usually available at large retailers like Bev Mo or Total Wine and More and try it before buying a large bottle. 

Hopefully this helps.  Remember, life is too short to drink cheap whiskey or smoke cheap cigars.  ;D   Slainte.

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JesseL on January 27, 2011, 08:03:18 pm
http://blogs.houstonpress.com/eating/2011/01/the_united_states_of_beer.php (http://blogs.houstonpress.com/eating/2011/01/the_united_states_of_beer.php)

(http://vvoice.vo.llnwd.net/e7/5906392.0.jpg)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MacLean on January 27, 2011, 08:25:16 pm
We do make a lot of Redhook, and it's tasty. I would not have chosen it to represent us though.

I agree that life is too short to drink bad whisky. The only blended whisky I'll allow is Walker. Anything you find people drinking whisky wise that requires an addition like ice or pop should be avoided.

As to whiskey - bourbons or Canadian - I like the better bourbons and just about all the Canadians. I don't care for Irish at all.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on January 27, 2011, 08:44:14 pm
http://blogs.houstonpress.com/eating/2011/01/the_united_states_of_beer.php (http://blogs.houstonpress.com/eating/2011/01/the_united_states_of_beer.php)

(http://vvoice.vo.llnwd.net/e7/5906392.0.jpg)

How do they not select Big Sky Brewing, makers of Moose Drool, for Montana?  Or Flying Dog, makers of Doggy Style Ale, for Colorado?

And I'd rank Red Hook at least third best from Washington.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on January 27, 2011, 08:52:55 pm
Oooooohhhh....  Moose Drool.....

(http://www.myfreewallpapers.net/cartoons/wallpapers/homer-simpson-02.jpg)


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on February 01, 2011, 08:43:54 pm
More news from Texas-any home brewers out there?

http://brewednotbattered.wordpress.com/2011/02/01/day-22-hb-660-the-beer/ (http://brewednotbattered.wordpress.com/2011/02/01/day-22-hb-660-the-beer/)

To support the TX HB660 legislation, many of our fine local brewpubs have developed House Brown 660, and offered up the recipe as shareware.  Enjoy!  (And save me some!)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on February 12, 2011, 07:19:38 am
Deschutes Brewery Northwest Pale Ale.  It's really good!  First time I've tried it.  Photo taken by the new IPhone

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c310/coyotesfan97/5eb3c82a.jpg)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: RevDisk on February 14, 2011, 08:26:18 pm
(http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/182825_10150090725934387_740499386_6421830_871417_n.jpg)

Riesling, aging nicely.

Next, at the recommendation of Thernlund, is a Malbec.  Not sure what I'll do after that.  Maybe a Zinfandel for the ladies.  No idea why, but they tend to like Zinfandel. 

Couple more batches, I'll move over to beer.  Probably start with an Imperial stout
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on February 14, 2011, 08:46:17 pm
I expect that I can get a reasonable discount on a bottle of RevDisk Vinyards 2011 Malbec, yeah?  :D


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: RevDisk on February 14, 2011, 09:52:04 pm
I expect that I can get a reasonable discount on a bottle of RevDisk Vinyards 2011 Malbec, yeah?  :D


-T.

Very discounted.  Per federal law, it is illegal to buy homemade beer or wine.  You can only give it away.  It's similar to producing firearms.  You can make your own, all day long without any license.  Can't sell 'em.  The illegality is technically in tax evasion. 

I will need to research the legality of shipping wine across state lines. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on February 15, 2011, 11:29:38 am
The selection of good microbrews here in greater Bragg-topia is somewhat limited.

This was the back of my truck when I left Carlisle Barracks headed back to Ft. Bragg in 2008.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/langenator/P1010074.jpg)

The only beer in there that wasn't from PA is the Arrogant Bastard all the way in the back.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on February 22, 2011, 03:30:19 pm
The selection of good microbrews here in greater Bragg-topia is somewhat limited.

This was the back of my truck when I left Carlisle Barracks headed back to Ft. Bragg in 2008.

The only beer in there that wasn't from PA is the Arrogant Bastard all the way in the back.

I think I'd like going on road trips with you!

I've got to try this from Samuel Adams Wee Heavy (http://www.samueladams.com/enjoy-our-beer/beer-detail.aspx?id=991f0583-3b14-43fc-babe-551a5d34ec1a&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=wallpost&utm_campaign=weeheavy)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on February 22, 2011, 04:22:19 pm
If any of ya'll are ever in the Harrisburg, PA area - the box labeled Scratch Beer comes from the Troegs brewery, and is basically a brewmaster's experiment, which may or may not become a full production beer.  That was Scratch #9 for 2008, IIRC.  They're only available at the brewery.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: RevDisk on February 22, 2011, 11:56:06 pm
If any of ya'll are ever in the Harrisburg, PA area - the box labeled Scratch Beer comes from the Troegs brewery, and is basically a brewmaster's experiment, which may or may not become a full production beer.  That was Scratch #9 for 2008, IIRC.  They're only available at the brewery.

I'm in the Harrisburg area.  Think I need to make a trip to the brewery in one of the upcoming weekends...
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Gunnguy on February 23, 2011, 12:05:53 am
I'm in the Harrisburg area.  Think I need to make a trip to the brewery in one of the upcoming weekends...

We have a good micro brewery in Fort Wayne. Mad Anthony Brewing Company. Award winning and good food.

http://madbrew.com/ (http://madbrew.com/)

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on February 23, 2011, 01:16:45 pm
What is special about Arrogant Bastard? 

I've seen it for sale at the deli shop across the street here and naturally, it reminded me of WTA.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on February 23, 2011, 01:42:41 pm
What is special about Arrogant Bastard? 

I've seen it for sale at the deli shop across the street here and naturally, it reminded me of WTA.

Well, it has a fun name, and a fun slogan ("You're Not Worthy!").  It has a very strong flavor, though not as hoppy or bitter as Ruination IPA, from the same brewery. (Another favorite of mine.)  I recomend it from a glass, rather than straight from the bottle.  (Did I mention it comes in 22 oz bottles?)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: RevDisk on February 23, 2011, 08:13:04 pm

Hey Thernlund.  No luck yet on scoring a Malbec.  My supplier doesn't have any and will need to order it for me.  Gods alone know when that will be.  I'll look around for alternative suppliers in the meantime.  Riesling turned out very nice and is starting to get popular.  I have a Pinot Noir fermenting at the moment.  Probably do at least another batch of Riesling, plus a Zinfandel.  Chicks love the Zinfandel, for reasons beyond my understanding.  Might do a Chianti to put on the shelf.  Dunno about that yet.  When I can score the necessary ingrediants for a Malbec, I will make one.  I'm kinda looking forward to making a Bordeaux, so it's high on my list. 

Note to self - wear friggin old clothing while working on red wines.  Looks like I stabbed someone. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on February 23, 2011, 08:22:52 pm
Hmmmm....  I do love me a good Pinot about as much as a Malbec.


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Gunnguy on February 23, 2011, 08:44:08 pm
Hey Thernlund.  No luck yet on scoring a Malbec.  My supplier doesn't have any and will need to order it for me.  Gods alone know when that will be.  I'll look around for alternative suppliers in the meantime.  Riesling turned out very nice and is starting to get popular.  I have a Pinot Noir fermenting at the moment.  Probably do at least another batch of Riesling, plus a Zinfandel.  Chicks love the Zinfandel, for reasons beyond my understanding.  Might do a Chianti to put on the shelf.  Dunno about that yet.  When I can score the necessary ingrediants for a Malbec, I will make one.  I'm kinda looking forward to making a Bordeaux, so it's high on my list. 

Note to self - wear friggin old clothing while working on red wines.  Looks like I stabbed someone. 

MD 20/20. Boon's Farm. Something David Kosher Wine. All same same. Dry, sweet, fruity, woody...make up yer mind and get drunk already. LOL!

 :rotfl
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: RevDisk on February 23, 2011, 09:01:25 pm
MD 20/20. Boon's Farm. Something David Kosher Wine. All same same. Dry, sweet, fruity, woody...make up yer mind and get drunk already. LOL!

 :rotfl

Ah...  Low-end fortified wines are wine + malt liquor or neutral grain spirits.  It is illegal to produce fortified wines without a license from the BATFE to do so, as distilling is entirely regulated.  Homebrewing of beer or wine is unregulated for noncommercial purposes below 100 or 200 gallons per year depending on the number of persons in a household.  Much the same as noncommercial firearm manufacture of non-NFA weapons.  It is tax evasion, essentially.

"Party wines" is the homebrew term for sweet or overly fruity wines.  Those are acceptable under the law to homebrew.   They have a very short shelf life (for wines) and should be consumed within six months.

I will take your selection advise into consideration.  But I will likely stick with my current selection for the near future.  Any suggestions are of course welcome.  I'm not exactly a "wine snob".  I got into homebrewing mostly for gift purposes, because I hate shopping and I'm a frugal person.  I'm not cheap by any stretch of the imagination, I just don't waste money when I don't have to do so.  In one batch, I've recouped roughly a third of the capital costs of equipment purposes by giving wine as a gift instead of purchasing roughly equivalents from my state's monopoly of wine and distilled alcohol sales.  Basically I'm spending approximately $4 per bottle (and roughly 3-5 minutes total time per bottle, which is on rough par with traveling to the nearest "good" state store) plus amortization instead of $15-$30 per bottle.  

I actually don't drink that much.  I extremely rarely drink to the point where I am drunk.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Gunnguy on February 23, 2011, 09:06:34 pm
Ah...  Low-end fortified wines are wine + malt liquor or neutral grain spirits.  It is illegal to produce fortified wines without a license from the BATFE to do so, as distilling is entirely regulated.  Homebrewing of beer or wine is unregulated for noncommercial purposes below 100 or 200 gallons per year depending on the number of persons in a household.  Much the same as noncommercial firearm manufacture of non-NFA weapons.  It is tax evasion, essentially.

"Party wines" is the homebrew term for sweet or overly fruity wines.  Those are acceptable under the law to homebrew.   They have a very short shelf life (for wines) and should be consumed within six months.

I will take your selection advise into consideration.  But I will likely stick with my current selection for the near future.  Any suggestions are of course welcome.  I'm not exactly a "wine snob".  I got into homebrewing mostly for gift purposes, because I hate shopping and I'm a frugal person.  I'm not cheap by any stretch of the imagination, I just don't waste money when I don't have to do so.  In one batch, I've recouped roughly a third of the capital costs of equipment purposes by giving wine as a gift instead of purchasing roughly equivalents from my state's monopoly of wine and distilled alcohol sales.  Basically I'm spending approximately $4 per bottle (and roughly 3-5 minutes total time per bottle, which is on rough par with traveling to the nearest "good" state store) plus amortization instead of $15-$30 per bottle. 

I actually don't drink that much. 

Uhm...yeah. Was trying to be funny. I don't drink much either. Just that the thought of wines made me think of MD 20/20 and the cheap stuff you find at grocery stores here in Indiana. Saw some funny crap when friends got drunk on MD 20/20. Stupid stuff teenagers do...ah well.
Tell me, how do you do the home brewery/winery thing and what do you use?

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: RevDisk on February 23, 2011, 09:56:32 pm
Tell me, how do you do the home brewery/winery thing and what do you use?

It is virtually the same way that modern commercial wineries and neolithic cavemen made wine.  Crush any type of fruit or other edible plant to produce juice, sterilize it as best as possible, add yeast, keep air out but vent the CO2, and wait a while.

Obviously modern technology has simplified things greatly.  Advances in bioscience have made it possible for labs to grow high purity yeast strains at low cost.  Advances in chemistry have trivialized sterilization, with some minor cost reduction.  Aside from the invention of plastic, the rest is pretty similar.  Wine is typically stored in a glass carboy during fermentation.  This was introduced in Europe in the 1400s, from Persia where it was invented quite a bit earlier.  On a commercial level, the wine is aged in a metal or wood cask before being put in a glass container sealed with typically wood.  This is also unchanged over the last several hundred years.  Though some wineries are using plastic corks now, which has mixed reviews. 

Basically, I grab a food grade bucket, clean and then sterilize (roughly 3-6 minutes, filling with water being the most time).  Drain.  Add bentonite and some water for removing excessive amounts of protein from white wines and aiding clarifying for red and white wines.  Mix well.  Pour in grape juice.  Top off with water to reach 6 gallons.  Gently sprinkle yeast (Red Star brand) on the top.  Install air lock into cap.  Put on cap.  Wait a week.  Rack (transfer liquid to another sterilized vessel, but not transfer sediment in the process).  Wait 14 days.  Stop fermentation with metabisulphite and sorbate.  Stir vigorously to drive out CO2.  Add isinglass clarifier.  Top off.  Wait 14 days.  Bottle.  Wait 30 days (theoretically), drink.

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Gunnguy on February 23, 2011, 10:14:39 pm
It is virtually the same way that modern commercial wineries and neolithic cavemen made wine.  Crush any type of fruit or other edible plant to produce juice, sterilize it as best as possible, add yeast, keep air out but vent the CO2, and wait a while.

Obviously modern technology has simplified things greatly.  Advances in bioscience have made it possible for labs to grow high purity yeast strains at low cost.  Advances in chemistry have trivialized sterilization, with some minor cost reduction.  Aside from the invention of plastic, the rest is pretty similar.  Wine is typically stored in a glass carboy during fermentation.  This was introduced in Europe in the 1400s, from Persia where it was invented quite a bit earlier.  On a commercial level, the wine is aged in a metal or wood cask before being put in a glass container sealed with typically wood.  This is also unchanged over the last several hundred years.  Though some wineries are using plastic corks now, which has mixed reviews. 

Basically, I grab a food grade bucket, clean and then sterilize (roughly 3-6 minutes, filling with water being the most time).  Drain.  Add bentonite and some water for removing excessive amounts of protein from white wines and aiding clarifying for red and white wines.  Mix well.  Pour in grape juice.  Top off with water to reach 6 gallons.  Gently sprinkle yeast (Red Star brand) on the top.  Install air lock into cap.  Put on cap.  Wait a week.  Rack (transfer liquid to another sterilized vessel, but not transfer sediment in the process).  Wait 14 days.  Stop fermentation with metabisulphite and sorbate.  Stir vigorously to drive out CO2.  Add isinglass clarifier.  Top off.  Wait 14 days.  Bottle.  Wait 30 days (theoretically), drink.



And Whiskey?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on February 23, 2011, 11:17:07 pm
Whiskey is distilled rather than fermented.  It's an entirely different process.


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on February 24, 2011, 02:40:07 am
*As far as bottle stoppers are concerned:

I personally think synthetic corks are better, and the metal screw caps even more so---since these barriers can better keep out oxygen.  Not to mention you don't have to worry about TCA (cork taint) or an older cork crumbling apart while inside the bottle.

My $.02 on this anyway...

[When in Mexico] I actually like the everyday Penfold's line, Koobanunga Hill(spell?).  My favorite is the Cabernet-Shiraz blend.  It's like $8 at Trader Joes (in Mexico  :whistle ).
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on February 24, 2011, 08:48:09 am
Whiskey is distilled rather than fermented.  It's an entirely different process.


-T.

I'd say it's more an additional process that a totally different one.  You still have to make and ferment the mash, same as beer but with different grains, then filter out the solids.  That's the point at which the processes diverge - whiskey gets distilled, and beer gets hopped.

Mmmm....hops.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Gunnguy on February 24, 2011, 03:55:26 pm
Ok, guys I was being funny again. Sheesh!  :facepalm

I was raised in W.Va. btw, and I had uncles who made REAL moonshine and oak barrel whiskey. So I know the process.


Let a guy have a little fun for petesakes!

Rev, really enjoyed the wine process you discussed. Got a lot out of it. I might try making some. Was surprised by the RED STAR yeast packet you stated. I thought certain wines took certain yeasts you have to by at a store or supplier?

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on February 24, 2011, 04:02:24 pm
Let a guy have a little fun for petesakes!

Sorry bro.  Inflection doesn't translate very well in a text medium.


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: RevDisk on February 24, 2011, 10:37:40 pm
*As far as bottle stoppers are concerned:

I personally think synthetic corks are better, and the metal screw caps even more so---since these barriers can better keep out oxygen.  Not to mention you don't have to worry about TCA (cork taint) or an older cork crumbling apart while inside the bottle.

My $.02 on this anyway...

[When in Mexico] I actually like the everyday Penfold's line, Koobanunga Hill(spell?).  My favorite is the Cabernet-Shiraz blend.  It's like $8 at Trader Joes (in Mexico  :whistle ).

Ahhh...  It's an on-going issue.  Synthetic corks are not universally better.  "Different" would be more accurate.  A good rule of thumb is don't buy a red wine with a synthetic cork.  White wines that don't need to be aged, sure.  Also, synthetic corks do not allow a wine to age.  It will chemically be virtually identical from the day it was corked to the day you open it.  Whether it's a week or five years.  Synthetic corks might also be leeching chemicals into the wine.  And lastly, synthetic corks are too new to fully understand.  There are wines that are on the shelves in regular wine stores that are 20-40 years old.  Until synthetic corks are that old (and then some), we won't know the full effects. 

Screw caps can trap gasses you don't want.  If you're drinking a wine with sulfury gases (ie rotten egg smell), it had a screw cap. 

TCA is becoming less of a problem due to significant capital investments in quality control by cork manufacturers.  Trust me, EVERYONE in the commercial wine industry is honked at the cork manufacturers and the cork manufacturers are a very competitive market.  Capitalism in action, and whatnot.

The crumbly cork thing is caused by two things.  Someone used cheap corks, or the bottle wasn't stored on its side.


There's general rules of thumb.  If you're cracking open the wine within six months, it doesn't matter.  Pick whatever ya like.  If you're concerned with cost, you're going to drink the wine within 3 years and the wine doesn't need aging, synthetic is fine.  If you're concerned about quality and longevity, you want high end cork.  There's cork from a hundred plus years ago that is still doing fine.  Undoubtedly, within the next 50 years (that's REAL quick in the history of wine making), there will be vast improvements in synthetic cork chemistry and manufacture that will mitigate most or all of the current deficiencies.



Rev, really enjoyed the wine process you discussed. Got a lot out of it. I might try making some. Was surprised by the RED STAR yeast packet you stated. I thought certain wines took certain yeasts you have to by at a store or supplier?

There's a number of yeasts, but it's not that many.  Typically, your yeast manufacturer offers about five strains, and that's generally enough to cover everything you need.  Is there some weird stuff out there that requires ultra specialized yeast?  Absolutely.  And I never want anything to do with them.  Honestly, if it doesn't need Premier Cuvee, I'm leery of bothering.  Most of them are just different strains of saccharomyces cerevisiae.

http://www.fermentis.com/FO/80-Wine/80-11_product_rangeHW.asp (http://www.fermentis.com/FO/80-Wine/80-11_product_rangeHW.asp)

An alternative is Lavlin Dry Yeast. 

http://www.lalvinyeast.com/strains.asp (http://www.lalvinyeast.com/strains.asp)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on February 25, 2011, 02:16:39 am
Thanks for your input, Rev.

I actually haven't "followed" wine stuff for a while, more so considering the state does not trust me with a bottle for a meal.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: seanp on February 25, 2011, 03:22:01 pm
I used to make hooch using wine kits and Lavlin yeast, which would have been the equivelent of the EC-1118 - the highest alcohol resistant yeast.  It would reach a very high alcohol content inside of two weeks.  Never bothered to age it, just filtered and served in two liter cups with chopped up fruit and ice.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Gunnguy on February 25, 2011, 05:18:55 pm
Sorry bro.  Inflection doesn't translate very well in a text medium.


-T.

True Dat, true dat... ;D
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on February 26, 2011, 05:23:14 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g0AJPqKybs
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Gunnguy on February 26, 2011, 08:11:23 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g0AJPqKybs

Oh that is classic! Thanks FMJ!

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on February 28, 2011, 01:01:53 am
Hadn't seen that before.  Excellent!  :rotfl
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Avenger29 on February 28, 2011, 01:09:31 am
I drink a bit of hard liquor, some wine. Don't really care for beer for drinking, use it in cooking sometimes.



Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: jaeger on September 17, 2011, 01:37:56 am
I have just discovered that an ounce of Captain Morgan added to a bottle of Yuengling lager is a wonderful thing. In retrospect, perhaps it was too tasty. I now need to sober up enough to safely close my eyes. The night is yet young. AVAST!
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: seanp on September 17, 2011, 07:42:19 am
Heh.  That's essentially a Boilermaker.  They can be dangerous.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on September 17, 2011, 08:13:27 am
Oh boy!  Depth charges!!  Dropping an ounce of the Captain in a draft beer at the Las Vegas airport can makes things interesting. Oh yeah what happens there stays there! :hide

pre Mrs CF days. Please don't tell her. Quickly glances over shoulder even if it is 5 AM
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chief45 on September 17, 2011, 10:23:25 am
I have just discovered that an ounce of Captain Morgan added to a bottle of Yuengling lager is a wonderful thing. In retrospect, perhaps it was too tasty. I now need to sober up enough to safely close my eyes. The night is yet young. AVAST!

two things to keep track off here.


Are you holding onto the floor to keep from falling off ?


and most importantly.


Are you to drunk to fish ?





Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on September 17, 2011, 10:56:19 am
Heh.  That's essentially a Boilermaker.  They can be dangerous.

Make it 151, set it on fire, then drop it in half a beer and drink.

Flaming Dr. Pepper.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on September 17, 2011, 05:01:17 pm
Heh.  That's essentially a Boilermaker.  They can be dangerous.

Make it Irish whiskey and Guinness or Bass and you've got an Irish Carbomb.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on September 17, 2011, 05:38:45 pm
Make it Irish whiskey and Guinness or Bass and you've got an Irish Carbomb.

Bass? BASS?!   :facepalm

Jameson, Bailey's in a shot glass dropped in half a Guinness. Drink in one go, before the Bailey's curdles.

There is no substitute.  :beer

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on September 17, 2011, 08:19:03 pm
Bailey's curdles in citrus juice (lime juice), an acid.  Not in alcohol.  Alcohol takes a long time to cuddle milk, and only if it's warm.


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on September 17, 2011, 09:30:24 pm
Bailey's curdles in citrus juice (lime juice), an acid.  Not in alcohol.  Alcohol takes a long time to cuddle milk, and only if it's warm.


-T.

Going by what a bartender buddy of mine told me  :shrug  Girl at the bar was hesitating about drinking the car bomb, and bartender gave the admonishment.

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on September 17, 2011, 09:56:13 pm
Carbombs get nasty in a very short span of time. The technical term may not be "curdle" but the Bailey's is doing something awful after about 10 seconds. So drink it in under 10 seconds and you'll be fine.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on September 17, 2011, 10:56:49 pm
Yeah, try something called a "cement mixer"... Bailey's, and a sweetened lime syrup in a shot glass.  Basically, they're poured much like a black and tan, so that they don't actually mix until you drink the shot... at which point the Bailey's lumpifies, and it feels like you're trying to swallow gravel.

The one time I ever ordered one, the waitress looked at me, and said "Are you sure?"

Tasted good, but I'll never order another one.

Might have to try the Depth Charge mentioned upthread though (but I've got some tastier rums to use than Captain Morgan ;) ).

For wines, if they haven't been mentioned, the Moon series at Trader Joe's are really, really good for the price.  Old Moon is a very smooth zinfandel, that goes great with a good, thick steak.

I don't drink a lot (alcoholism runs in my family, too).  But I do drink a wide variety.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on September 17, 2011, 11:14:12 pm
I drink regularly, almost exclusively beer. I like wine, but rarely keep it around the house. Almost never drink liquor.

I'm sad that the summer seasonals are off the shelves now.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on September 17, 2011, 11:48:21 pm
My regular beers are (in no particular order) Yuengling Lager, Yuengling Porter (when I can find it), Yuengling Black and Tan, Modelo Especial, Negro Modelo.  A special treat the wife and I have found lately are the Innis & Gunn beers - oak barrels are involved somehow, and they're incredible.  Guinness here tastes *nothing* like it does in Ireland, btw - much lighter, more flavorful, and not nearly as "This drink qualifies as it's own appetizer".  Samuel Adams Black Lager is quite tasty, too.

My regular sipping liquors are (still in no particular order)  Anniversario Rum (an aged rum - no mixing necessary), Russian Standard vodka (any of the three varieties), Bailey's, Frangelico (gotta love hazelnut liquor, especially when mixed with Bailey's and/or), Kahlua, Maker's Mark 49 for bourbon (though Gentleman Jack fills in nicely), Castle Knappogue for Irish whiskey, and Oban for scotch.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JesseL on September 18, 2011, 12:02:30 am
I've been keeping Alaskan Amber and Full Sail Amber in the fridge lately.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on September 18, 2011, 12:09:05 am
My regulars are Yuengling Lager (I pick up at least four cases every time I get a mission to the east coast.) Leinenkugle's Summer Shandy, Shiner Bock, Shiner Ruby Redbird (seasonal), New Castle Brown Ale, and Miller Lite (after one or two good ones I don't want to waste good beer when I can't really taste it anymore).

I also try to grab something new whenever I'm in the beer section, just to try. When I'm traveling, I try to find local restaurants with local beers. I end up drinking a very wide variety.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Kaso on September 18, 2011, 12:17:30 am
I drink regularly, almost exclusively beer. I like wine, but rarely keep it around the house. Almost never drink liquor.

I'm sad that the summer seasonals are off the shelves now.
Of course you do.  You're a Crew Dog.  :neener >:D

Kaso
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on September 18, 2011, 12:22:30 am
I don't drink at all anymore.  I've had all of 3 beers in almost six months.  No wine or booze at all.  I quit drinking for just a little while for another reason, then it just... held.

Now for whatever reason it just doesn't taste good anymore.  :shrug   The last glass of beer I had (about a month ago) had me feeling like crap for hours. 

I'd never ever admonish anyone for enjoying their favorite libation.  For my part however, I'm enjoying the sober life (for now anyway). 


 
Going by what a bartender buddy of mine told me  :shrug  Girl at the bar was hesitating about drinking the car bomb, and bartender gave the admonishment.

Bartenders aren't chemists.  ;)
 

-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on September 18, 2011, 12:38:07 am
I also try to grab something new whenever I'm in the beer section, just to try. When I'm traveling, I try to find local restaurants with local beers. I end up drinking a very wide variety.

Athens has one decent brewpub (Trapeze - good beers, limited menu), and one great one (Copper Creek - great beers, great menu), and a whole slew of great restaraunts.  We also have the Terrapin Brewery, which does tours (though their beers tend to be too hoppy for me).

Let me know if you're ever headed this way.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: seanp on September 18, 2011, 02:29:00 am
My regular beers are (in no particular order) Yuengling Lager, Yuengling Porter (when I can find it), Yuengling Black and Tan, Modelo Especial, Negro Modelo.  A special treat the wife and I have found lately are the Innis & Gunn beers - oak barrels are involved somehow, and they're incredible.  Guinness here tastes *nothing* like it does in Ireland, btw - much lighter, more flavorful, and not nearly as "This drink qualifies as it's own appetizer".  Samuel Adams Black Lager is quite tasty, too.

My regular sipping liquors are (still in no particular order)  Anniversario Rum (an aged rum - no mixing necessary), Russian Standard vodka (any of the three varieties), Bailey's, Frangelico (gotta love hazelnut liquor, especially when mixed with Bailey's and/or), Kahlua, Maker's Mark 49 for bourbon (though Gentleman Jack fills in nicely), Castle Knappogue for Irish whiskey, and Oban for scotch.

Innis and Gunn is an attempt to create a boutique "beer" niche by some half clever marketers.  It's beer aged in casks like whiskey or wine.  Or using whiskey, wine, or rum barrels.

Anyway, it's more marketing than value.  I think that in one way it will be successful.  It appeals to those that must have something "special".

The reality is though, beer as a beverage is a consumable and is meant to be drank when ready.  It doesn't get better with time.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: jaeger on September 18, 2011, 02:50:56 am
Might have to try the Depth Charge mentioned upthread though (but I've got some tastier rums to use than Captain Morgan ;) ).

A damned good rum is a damned good rum, but when you are mixing, Capt Mo is more than adequate. I won't drink Capt Mo straight, but it serves its purpose; beyond that, the price is definitely right.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: seanp on September 18, 2011, 02:58:03 am
We have (or had?) Bottlescrew Bill's locally.  Over 100 beers available.

The "Around the World" tour would make the world turn for you for sure.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on September 18, 2011, 09:10:54 am
Innis and Gunn is an attempt to create a boutique "beer" niche by some half clever marketers.  It's beer aged in casks like whiskey or wine.  Or using whiskey, wine, or rum barrels.

Anyway, it's more marketing than value.  I think that in one way it will be successful.  It appeals to those that must have something "special".

The reality is though, beer as a beverage is a consumable and is meant to be drank when ready.  It doesn't get better with time.

Yeah, I know.  But their recipe is nice, and so is the beer.  It is not cheap, however, which is why we haven't bought a whole lot of it.

A damned good rum is a damned good rum, but when you are mixing, Capt Mo is more than adequate. I won't drink Capt Mo straight, but it serves its purpose; beyond that, the price is definitely right.

Agreed, but I don't mix drinks often (I usually just sip on a shot), so I don't tend to stock the hard stuff for mixing (about the only thing I use regular Jack Daniels for is making BBQ sauce).  :shrug  Speaking of rums, I forgot to mention Flora de Cana above... the 5 year is what I would use for a Depth Charge, probably with a Yuengling Lager.

Also, I need to echo the previous love (it was either Outbreak or Nightcrawler) for Puerto Rico and the mojito. The only mixed drink I've ordered often.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mick on September 19, 2011, 09:21:32 pm
Since I read Uprising and it gave me an idea I have been drinking gatorbull and vodka for a while.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on September 20, 2011, 02:51:43 pm
I don't drink at all anymore.  I've had all of 3 beers in almost six months.  No wine or booze at all.  I quit drinking for just a little while for another reason, then it just... held.

Now for whatever reason it just doesn't taste good anymore.  :shrug   The last glass of beer I had (about a month ago) had me feeling like crap for hours. 

I'd never ever admonish anyone for enjoying their favorite libation.  For my part however, I'm enjoying the sober life (for now anyway). 


 
Bartenders aren't chemists.  ;)
 

-T.
  I'll second that.  I cut back pretty sharply this summer and am enjoying the occasional drink now more than I did before the cutback.  An old ( and vastly experienced ) family friend once told me, "Life's too short to drink cheap liquor.".   It's true.  An occasional glass of George T. Stagg is a real treat once a month.  The same goes for Lustau dark dry oloroso sherry.   ;)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on September 20, 2011, 03:12:02 pm
Life is too short for cheap s___, period.  That's my philosophy.  ;D
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on September 20, 2011, 03:13:36 pm
That's a philosophy that can get you into a lot of trouble at a young age.  Take my word for it.

No derailing now.  Back to the booze.  ;)

...

I had a beer with a buddy last night.  Dos Equis Amber.  Tasted pretty good actually.  But I must say, I had noooo problem stopping after one and drinking water from there on.


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Storyteller on September 20, 2011, 04:14:27 pm
During the long Hawaiian summer's, I mix a little "summer wine" and it is nice all day.
48-56 oz white wine
26 oz 7-up/sprite
4 oz pineapple juice
6-10 oz Midori
serve well chilled/over ice. You can garnish with s mint leaf or anything else you want, it goes into the garbage anyway. Cheers :coffee
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on September 20, 2011, 04:23:55 pm
I had a beer with a buddy last night.  Dos Equis Amber.  Tasted pretty good actually.  But I must say, I had noooo problem stopping after one and drinking water from there on.


-T.

This is one of my favorite beers OCONUS.  To me, it's like the Mexican Sam Adams Boston Lager.

Good stuff, and great with carne asada and heavier Mexican meat dishes.  I find that the XX Lager (and also Pacifico) go better with sushi and seafood stuff.

For whatever reason, last time I had standard Tecate (red can), it went really well with those tacos.





Over the summer, I got to try Spaten Optimator, a double bock.  It's good stuff but heavy on flavor and ABV.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Grant on September 20, 2011, 07:28:45 pm
       Never really been much of an alcohol drinker.   Not terrible, but it's just "eh", take it or leave it.     

I think the fact that it's never been a "forbidden fruit" so-to-speak, for me has kinda tempered any real pleasure of it  :shrug

About all I can actually say I "LIKE" is a family friend's home-made wines from the local wild fruit.    Has an actual taste of the fruit, yet the **** is more potent than some whiskeys.   Can't remember the particulars but I think at one time we almost considered naming it something other than wine, as it's effects are more pronounced than any other.    One comparison I had heard of was taking a spoonfull of sugar and then immediately swallowing a shot of whiskey......

  Mom on the other hand enjoys alcohol.   Rarely actually drinks but loves having the selection around just in case.  You name it, she's got it in the cupboards.

  I take it back, yesterday I had something new mom got  :hmm   Flathead Cherry Ale.   Wasn't bad, not real strong but had a good cherry aftertaste.   

   That's my thing, whatever I drink, beer,wine, pop, etc. WHATEVER, there's gotta be a taste.  if it's just straight bitter, like some of the beers and wine, why drink it? unless your point is just getting hammered.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on September 21, 2011, 01:11:25 am
Try some of the lambics - my particular favorite is a raspberry lambic.  Fruit mash is added to fermentation process, and natural yeasts are allowed in, resulting in a finer carbonation bubble, and a strong fruit taste.

A good raspberry lambic goes really good with a good steak...
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on September 21, 2011, 01:26:20 am
Try some of the lambics - my particular favorite is a raspberry lambic.  Fruit mash is added to fermentation process, and natural yeasts are allowed in, resulting in a finer carbonation bubble, and a strong fruit taste.

A good raspberry lambic goes really good with a good steak...

Lindeman's Framboise and Young's Double Chocolate stout, at about 50/50 blend. Excellent.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on September 21, 2011, 01:28:20 am
Oooooo.... Framboise is GOOD.  So good in fact, that I don't even care how effeminate people think it is.  I love it.


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on September 21, 2011, 01:36:57 am
(http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/6295/003xyn.jpg)

Cultural sensitivity training doesn't get any better.  >:D



No it's not my bottle. Interestingly enough, it's from the USSR period.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on September 21, 2011, 02:31:32 am
    That's my thing, whatever I drink, beer,wine, pop, etc. WHATEVER, there's gotta be a taste.  if it's just straight bitter, like some of the beers and wine, why drink it? unless your point is just getting hammered.

Straight bitter is something people actually enjoy. I have a friend at work that LOVES super hoppy stouts and IPA's. I just don't enjoy them. I'd rather have a Miller Lite than a Shakespeare Stout or an IPA. If you're looking to get hammered, heavy, hoppy beer ain't the way to go. It can be done, but it's not fun, for me at least.

I like a nice Lager, Amber, even a double bock that has flavor, but no excessive traits. If I'm trying to get trashed, I have two or three of those, then I switch to Miller Lite. I won't waste the good stuff at that point. I won't taste it, anyway.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mick on September 21, 2011, 02:52:12 am
Straight bitter is something people actually enjoy. I have a friend at work that LOVES super hoppy stouts and IPA's. I just don't enjoy them. I'd rather have a Miller Lite than a Shakespeare Stout or an IPA. If you're looking to get hammered, heavy, hoppy beer ain't the way to go. It can be done, but it's not fun, for me at least.

I like a nice Lager, Amber, even a double bock that has flavor, but no excessive traits. If I'm trying to get trashed, I have two or three of those, then I switch to Miller Lite. I won't waste the good stuff at that point. I won't taste it, anyway.

I love double bock beers. sam adams, troeginator and another one from germany that i can't remember the name of are amazing.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on September 21, 2011, 04:27:55 am
I rarely have more than two beers in one night so I like drinking heavier beers. The Fry's near me has a pretty good beer selection. I've been rotating through Sierra Nevada, Fat Tire, Sam Adams, Shiner, and Deschutes Mirror Pond Pale Ale. I tried to find Shiner Ruby Red but no luck.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: seanp on September 21, 2011, 06:58:30 am
Straight bitter is something people actually enjoy. I have a friend at work that LOVES super hoppy stouts and IPA's. I just don't enjoy them. I'd rather have a Miller Lite than a Shakespeare Stout or an IPA. If you're looking to get hammered, heavy, hoppy beer ain't the way to go. It can be done, but it's not fun, for me at least.

I like a nice Lager, Amber, even a double bock that has flavor, but no excessive traits. If I'm trying to get trashed, I have two or three of those, then I switch to Miller Lite. I won't waste the good stuff at that point. I won't taste it, anyway.

Bingo.  People trying to get pissed don't drink a beer with heavy flavor, like a stout or a Guiness.  They shotgun cheap domestic lagers.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on September 21, 2011, 08:23:57 am
(http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/6295/003xyn.jpg)

Cultural sensitivity training doesn't get any better.  >:D

No it's not my bottle. Interestingly enough, it's from the USSR period.

FMJ - when you have opportunity, I highly recommend the Russian Standard vodkas. Not expensive, and very, very smoooooth. I usually sip it straight (I have two bottles in the freezer right now), but I smuggled some into my boss, and she reported it made an excellent vodka tonic.  I also have a bottle of Uncle Tito's, but I haven't cracked it open yet. Range report when I do...
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on September 21, 2011, 08:45:29 am
Bingo.  People trying to get pissed don't drink a beer with heavy flavor, like a stout or a Guiness.  They shotgun cheap domestic lagers.

People trying to get drunk on Guinness are unclear on the concept- Guinness has one of the lowest ABV's out there. Docs in UK prescribe it to pregnant women,I believe even before 3rd trimester.

If you ever find yourself in a drinking contest, go with Guinness.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on September 21, 2011, 05:03:04 pm
FMJ - when you have opportunity, I highly recommend the Russian Standard vodkas. Not expensive, and very, very smoooooth. I usually sip it straight (I have two bottles in the freezer right now), but I smuggled some into my boss, and she reported it made an excellent vodka tonic.  I also have a bottle of Uncle Tito's, but I haven't cracked it open yet. Range report when I do...


Haha, my older friends have told me about Russkiy Standart.  I've actually seen it being sold in the Walmart in Mexico--$21 for a standard bottle.  Is that a good price?  (Of course, that is a rough conversion from pesos).  Should I buy it next time I'm down there?

Funny, I've also heard about Tito's.  It's made in Texas.  The discussion on vodkas ensued last night when one of my buddies "shared" that pic.

I gotta say I love that cat!
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on September 21, 2011, 06:02:49 pm
Haha, my older friends have told me about Russkiy Standart.  I've actually seen it being sold in the Walmart in Mexico--$21 for a standard bottle.  Is that a good price?  (Of course, that is a rough conversion from pesos).  Should I buy it next time I'm down there?

Funny, I've also heard about Tito's.  It's made in Texas.  The discussion on vodkas ensued last night when one of my buddies "shared" that pic.

I gotta say I love that cat!

Hrm.. I think the last fifth I bought was $18-20? So, yeah, not too bad, but could be better.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on September 22, 2011, 10:31:59 pm
Straight bitter is something people actually enjoy. I have a friend at work that LOVES super hoppy stouts and IPA's. I just don't enjoy them. I'd rather have a Miller Lite than a Shakespeare Stout or an IPA. If you're looking to get hammered, heavy, hoppy beer ain't the way to go. It can be done, but it's not fun, for me at least.

I like a nice Lager, Amber, even a double bock that has flavor, but no excessive traits. If I'm trying to get trashed, I have two or three of those, then I switch to Miller Lite. I won't waste the good stuff at that point. I won't taste it, anyway.

Good...one less person competing for the Stone Brewing Ruination IPA.

"I'm very bitter.  And I like it."

I just need to find a store around here that carries it.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Gunnguy on September 22, 2011, 10:39:02 pm
Try the Mad Anthony Brewing Company. Their on the net you know.

http://www.madbrew.com/ (http://www.madbrew.com/)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: strangelittleman on February 17, 2012, 09:36:04 pm
  I'm at the Pharmacy (ABC store), looking around, I spot a bottle of Jim Beam. Attached to the Jim, is a free small promo bottle of something called After Shock. I thought, okay why the hell not....remembering the last two times they had Devil's Cut and Red Stag attached, both of which were good, although the Red Stag was very sweet and had to be mixed with straight Burbon in order to make it tolerable.
  The "After Shock" is supposed to be a "Hot and Cool" Cinnamon Liqueur, okay, sure......
   Sooooo, I try a sip this evening..... :vomit Jesus, Mary and Joesph! It's gotta be the most horrible thing in the world! Nothing and I mean nothing can be done to make Satan's Red Syphillatic Piss drinkable, O Sweet Mary! I tried 1/2 a teaspoon to 2 shots of Burbon, NO DICE! I tried mixing it with everything from Coca-Cola to Ginger Ale.....  :shocked
  There just is no redeeming this swill....it tastes like 1 part Red Hot Fireball jawbreaker and 1 part Vick's mentholatum chest rub.
It would make one hell of a self-defense spray if slung in one's eyes or, perhaps if applied topically to the chest and upper lip it could help break up the Croup or maybe even TB.....but to drink it? I'd rather drink my own vomit after eating the boogers from a dead man's nose! 
I now see why it's being given away for free.... :facepalm
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on February 17, 2012, 11:11:10 pm
rogue brewery has released their whiskey, made from the same barley as their Dead Guy Ale.

Not bad, a little bit sweet, but not SoCo level sweet.

http://www.rogue.com/spirits/dead-guy-whiskey.php (http://www.rogue.com/spirits/dead-guy-whiskey.php)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: mwcoleburn on February 17, 2012, 11:59:20 pm
I once (in my young and stupid days) Got completely hammered on Jagermeister, when that was gone we drank the Aftershock.... It was not a good morning. FWIW Liquorice and Cinnamon is a horrible combination to :vomit back up.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on February 18, 2012, 07:26:27 am
Makes mental note to never drink Aftershock while enjoying a Blue Moon.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on February 20, 2012, 05:39:21 pm
  I'm at the Pharmacy (ABC store), looking around, I spot a bottle of Jim Beam. Attached to the Jim, is a free small promo bottle of something called After Shock. I thought, okay why the hell not....remembering the last two times they had Devil's Cut and Red Stag attached, both of which were good, although the Red Stag was very sweet and had to be mixed with straight Burbon in order to make it tolerable.
  The "After Shock" is supposed to be a "Hot and Cool" Cinnamon Liqueur, okay, sure......
   Sooooo, I try a sip this evening..... :vomit Jesus, Mary and Joesph! It's gotta be the most horrible thing in the world! Nothing and I mean nothing can be done to make Satan's Red Syphillatic Piss drinkable, O Sweet Mary! I tried 1/2 a teaspoon to 2 shots of Burbon, NO DICE! I tried mixing it with everything from Coca-Cola to Ginger Ale.....  :shocked
  There just is no redeeming this swill....it tastes like 1 part Red Hot Fireball jawbreaker and 1 part Vick's mentholatum chest rub.
It would make one hell of a self-defense spray if slung in one's eyes or, perhaps if applied topically to the chest and upper lip it could help break up the Croup or maybe even TB.....but to drink it? I'd rather drink my own vomit after eating the boogers from a dead man's nose! 
I now see why it's being given away for free.... :facepalm

Beam should stick to what they know and leave the other stuff alone.  I'm afraid all the recent experimentation is behind the price increase for all Beam products which seems to be greater than other distillers.  I like a little sip of Knob Creek from time to time but for a $10.00 a bottle difference I can be persuaded that Buffalo Trace is perfectly acceptable. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Ken Brock on February 20, 2012, 06:10:15 pm
my favorite is Pyrat Rum

although Luksusowa vodka is pretty good too
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on February 20, 2012, 06:32:22 pm
Beam should stick to what they know and leave the other stuff alone.  I'm afraid all the recent experimentation is behind the price increase for all Beam products which seems to be greater than other distillers.  I like a little sip of Knob Creek from time to time but for a $10.00 a bottle difference I can be persuaded that Buffalo Trace is perfectly acceptable.

Aftershock isn't new. I remember hating that crap back in college, so it's been around at least 8-9 years.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on February 20, 2012, 06:46:01 pm
I'm currently sipping on a dandy marguerita from Santa Fe Tapas in N'Orleans...
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on February 20, 2012, 09:17:28 pm
my favorite is Pyrat Rum

although Luksusowa vodka is pretty good too

Pyrat is good stuff - very smooth.  Luksusowa - Polish potato vodka, no?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on February 20, 2012, 09:54:20 pm
On a slightly different note, I found this at the Great American Beer Fest last year

www.beerjobber.com (http://www.beerjobber.com)

They just opened it up to the public, I think. Ship cases to all the states they can, from several breweries around the country.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on February 20, 2012, 09:55:29 pm
Pyrat is good stuff - very smooth.  Luksusowa - Polish potato vodka, no?

Makes good dry martinis. Or as my bartender buddy says "Straight shots of chilled vodka with an olive chaser"
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Ken Brock on February 20, 2012, 10:06:51 pm
Pyrat is good stuff - very smooth.  Luksusowa - Polish potato vodka, no?

yep, that's it

although Zubrowka is another good Polish vodka but it's a little hard to find here
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on February 20, 2012, 10:50:29 pm
For some reason, vodka and I don't get along well.  My wife is fond of the stuff and its her liquor of choice most of the time.

I have fun bringing home different ones for her to try to which she replies, "Just get the one that's on sale - I'm going to dump a handful of olives in it anyway so don't bring some snooty, high dollar stuff with no taste.".  Did I mention she's half Russian?   :scrutiny  What do I know?   :shrug

Bourbon on the rocks works for me.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: HiVelSword on February 20, 2012, 11:25:36 pm
A few things. Sam Adams Chocolate Bock is a beer you can wash a slice of chocolate cake down with.

Fireball cinnamon whiskey is a great shooter. Not as thick and syrupy as Goldschlager.

Red Stag and either Cherry Coke or a nice black cherry soda is deliscious.

A drink made with fresh squeezed orange juice is amazing. And once you try it, any other bottled or cartoned OJ will just never do.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JD on February 21, 2012, 12:00:44 am
On the subject of Vodka (Polish Wodka), Sobieski, is great. Is not expensive and holds it's own against the 'top shelf brands'. My Polish friends turned me on to it a way back. It's my go-to since then. Heck, it's been around since 1864, they're doing something right.  ;)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: HiVelSword on February 21, 2012, 11:39:49 am
On the subject of Vodka (Polish Wodka), Sobieski, is great. Is not expensive and holds it's own against the 'top shelf brands'. My Polish friends turned me on to it a way back. It's my go-to since then. Heck, it's been around since 1864, they're doing something right.  ;)

I'll have to try it!

It’s funny, but both Russians and even Ukrainians (my nationality) claim to be the first to create vodka. But it’s the Polish who did. And it’s tough to beat them at their own game. Some come close though. My personal favorite non-Polish vodka is Reyka. It’s from Iceland. And it’s pretty awesome. I have turned almost all my friends onto it.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: strangelittleman on February 21, 2012, 06:08:25 pm
On the subject of Vodka (Polish Wodka), Sobieski, is great. Is not expensive and holds it's own against the 'top shelf brands'. My Polish friends turned me on to it a way back. It's my go-to since then. Heck, it's been around since 1864, they're doing something right.  ;)
Absolutely! It's the best Vodka in the world!
Title: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on February 21, 2012, 07:03:05 pm
On a slightly different note, I found this at the Great American Beer Fest last year

www.beerjobber.com (http://www.beerjobber.com)

They just opened it up to the public, I think. Ship cases to all the states they can, from several breweries around the country.

I really wish you hadn't done that.  LOL


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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on February 21, 2012, 08:08:49 pm
On a slightly different note, I found this at the Great American Beer Fest last year

www.beerjobber.com (http://www.beerjobber.com)

They just opened it up to the public, I think. Ship cases to all the states they can, from several breweries around the country.

You definitely pay for that service!

They want almost double the price for Yuengling Lager (I can't get it in Texas) BEFORE shipping! Almost $60 a case. That would be a great price in a bar, but if I'm staying home it's likely because I don't want to pay bar prices.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on February 21, 2012, 08:33:46 pm
You definitely pay for that service!

They want almost double the price for Yuengling Lager (I can't get it in Texas) BEFORE shipping! Almost $60 a case. That would be a great price in a bar, but if I'm staying home it's likely because I don't want to pay bar prices.

Yeah, they aren't cheap- however, for obscure stuff or hard to get brews, it is cheaper than driving...

I've thought about going in on a case or two with buddies, just to try some different things.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on February 21, 2012, 10:29:30 pm
Yeah, they aren't cheap- however, for obscure stuff or hard to get brews, it is cheaper than driving...

Maybe, but I bring my Yuengling back on the Air Force's dime, 4 cases at a time. :cheers

I'd be interested in a Beer of the Month type thing, but I don't want a case of something without knowing I like it. If they would do six packs for that, I'd be all for it.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on February 21, 2012, 10:41:00 pm
Maybe, but I bring my Yuengling back on the Air Force's dime, 4 cases at a time. :cheers

I'd be interested in a Beer of the Month type thing, but I don't want a case of something without knowing I like it. If they would do six packs for that, I'd be all for it.

Fair enough, but for those of us without access to MAC transport... :)

Who knows, it's still a young bidness. Maybe if it does well enough, they can start mixing cases  :shrug
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Storyteller on February 22, 2012, 01:00:53 pm
Red Stagg and Dr. Pepper  ummmmm ;)
Recebtly spotted at the local 7-11 bottles of "Sailor Jerry's Spiced Rum".  For those who don't know, "Sailor Jerry" Collins was a world known tatoo artist. And I mean  world known abd artist. He had ink slingers from all over the world come to his little shop[ in downtown Honolulu. As a (really) rookie cop, the shop was on my nightly footbeat. I met inkers, yakuza, bikers, and drank a lot of Jerry's coffee. And the rum ain't half bad. But it sure brings back a memory.   :coffee
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: HiVelSword on February 22, 2012, 03:14:07 pm

I've had Sailor Jerry's. Great stuff. But I'm partial to The Kraken. That stuff is dark. Most people I let try it swear off Capt. Morgan's forever. Though I'm sure they would do the same if they tried Sailor Jerry's too. ;)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: PHXCobra on February 22, 2012, 04:25:15 pm
Captain and Sailor Jerry's are essentially interchangable to me.  I buy whichever one happens to be on sale.  Also in this same group is the bacardi Oakheart.  All interchangeable.  Been curious about Kraken but haven't found a good enough deal on it.  As far as whiskey I am a fan of Pendleton and  Crown. All of these are mainly as mixers, I'm not a fan of shooting any of these really.  Can do it, but prefer not to.

Tequila is my shooter, I can shoot Cuervo Silver by the truckload.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: jaeger on February 22, 2012, 06:55:39 pm
Maybe, but I bring my Yuengling back on the Air Force's dime, 4 cases at a time. :cheers

I'd be interested in a Beer of the Month type thing, but I don't want a case of something without knowing I like it. If they would do six packs for that, I'd be all for it.

If you ever end up in MacDill for a bit, there is a Yuengling brewery less than 20 miles north of the base. The tour is nice, but the free samples seal the deal. Tampa might not have some things, but being able to pick up fresh Yuengling Lager at $18 per 24/pack is definitely one of the perks.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: HiVelSword on February 22, 2012, 07:53:59 pm

Tequila is my shooter, I can shoot Cuervo Silver by the truckload.

Gah! God bless you man! I can't shoot any tequila unless it's an expensive anejo.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on February 22, 2012, 11:04:19 pm
Rum is pretty much the only liquor I'll drink. And it gives me such a killer hangover that it's rare anymore.

I'm partial to Bacardi Select. It's not spiced rum, just dark rum. It tastes a lot cleaner than Capt Morgan, imho. I've had Sailor Jerry's, and it's not bad, but it doesn't replace my Bacardi Select for a Rum n Coke.

Now, for Mojito's, I like Don Q. I was introduced to it by a LtCol in the Puerto Rico Air Guard on a trip there. At the time, it wasn't imported to the CONUS. Litterally the day I got back to Texas, I found an ad in a magazine for it. So now I can get it whenever.

While in Puerto Rico, I visited the Bacardi distillery, and bought a few bottles, a shaker and a muddler to make my own mojitos.

Other bottles I brought back on Uncle Sam's Booze Wagon the plane included 3 bottles of Cruzan (bought in St Croix), the Don Q, Bacardi Select, and a bottle of Bacardi Ocho, aged 8 years, which I drink on the rocks with a cigar.

If you ever end up in MacDill for a bit, there is a Yuengling brewery less than 20 miles north of the base. The tour is nice, but the free samples seal the deal. Tampa might not have some things, but being able to pick up fresh Yuengling Lager at $18 per 24/pack is definitely one of the perks.

Free samples you say? Sounds just like a dream...It's pure fantasy and I won't remember it in the morning. :cheers
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on February 23, 2012, 02:07:08 am
Well, if I am absolutely forced to drink rum ( ;) ) I like Pusser's British Navy Rum or Gosling's Dark or the aforementioned Pyrat Rum.  Three different expressions - all delicious.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: PHXCobra on February 23, 2012, 09:13:06 am
Gah! God bless you man! I can't shoot any tequila unless it's an expensive anejo.

It wasn't always that way.  It used to make me sick if I smelled the stuff, one day a switch flipped and I barely feel anything now.  All I need is salt.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: HiVelSword on February 23, 2012, 09:15:29 am
Well, if I am absolutely forced to drink rum ( ;) ) I like Pusser's British Navy Rum or Gosling's Dark or the aforementioned Pyrat Rum.  Three different expressions - all delicious.

I like non-spiced rums too. I've heard of Pyrat but not the others. They sound intrigueing. I will have to order some at my LLS. They special order stuff for me all the time.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: HiVelSword on February 23, 2012, 09:20:37 am
I hear ya, PHXCobra.

I like tequila but it doesn’t like me. And I don’t mean that it makes me ill. I mean it’s harsh. I find it difficult to down as a shooter. Get that hesitant swallow, the wince and then the shudder and gasp.

Anything under Patron anejo makes my throat burn. And Patron anejo I consider bottom shelf. The pricey, high end anejo’s are so much smoother to me. I can down them no problem.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Coronach on February 23, 2012, 02:18:00 pm
Mmmmm .... mojitos. One of the handful of things that makes summer pleasant, like motorcycles, more shooting time, and women wearing less clothing.

It's possible to drink mojitos when the weather is not hot and muggy, but it loses something in the translation.

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on February 24, 2012, 07:23:49 pm
Who likes "Flor de Can~a" rum?

My stepdad's first wife (RIP) was Nicaraguan, so I think that's how he started to like it.



I'm starting to like scotch.  That is all.  I know JW Red Label isn't high grade stuff, but it is a start.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on February 24, 2012, 07:42:55 pm
JW Red is good for what it is, better than some of the comparably priced bourbons. I prefer the black label.

Glenlivet is good stuff too
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on February 24, 2012, 08:28:23 pm
Who likes "Flor de Can~a" rum?

My stepdad's first wife (RIP) was Nicaraguan, so I think that's how he started to like it.

I'm starting to like scotch.  That is all.  I know JW Red Label isn't high grade stuff, but it is a start.

*raises hand* Flor de Cana, yo! Though it's my second choice, after Anniversario, it's still tasty.

Anniversario... yum. Treat it like a good scotch: a single ice cube, and sip.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: jaeger on March 25, 2012, 07:09:11 am
Never before has watching yeast do their thing been so damned entertaining.

Irish Stout Fermenting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nUIaRQl6L8#)

Irish Stout from Midwest Supplies. It'll be a few more weeks before I get to try any, but this has been fun so far.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on March 25, 2012, 08:11:28 am
Sierra Nevada Ruthless Rye  :thumbup1
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: aikorob on March 25, 2012, 09:52:24 am
If you ever end up in MacDill for a bit, there is a Yuengling brewery less than 20 miles north of the base. The tour is nice, but the free samples seal the deal. Tampa might not have some things, but being able to pick up fresh Yuengling Lager at $18 per 24/pack is definitely one of the perks.

Is that the old Stroh's plant near Busch Gardens?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: jaeger on March 25, 2012, 01:09:08 pm
Is that the old Stroh's plant near Busch Gardens?

Yep. Yuengling bought it back in '99.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Coronach on March 25, 2012, 02:34:46 pm
Yuengling's original plant in Pottstown (or is it Pottsville?) Pennsylvania is worth seeing. Unlike most brewery tours, in which you see stuff from a distance, Yuengling's tour is more of a "step here, don't step there, that bottling machine will rip your arm off, don't bang your head on that pipe, it's about 250 degrees" type affair. In other words, it's awesome.

Mike

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: jaeger on May 16, 2012, 06:18:42 pm
Well, my stout finished and came out pretty good. Light on ABV, but very tasty.

(http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/1779/stout.jpg)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on May 16, 2012, 07:23:11 pm
Yuengling's original plant in Pottstown (or is it Pottsville?) Pennsylvania is worth seeing. Unlike most brewery tours, in which you see stuff from a distance, Yuengling's tour is more of a "step here, don't step there, that bottling machine will rip your arm off, don't bang your head on that pipe, it's about 250 degrees" type affair. In other words, it's awesome.

Mike

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The brewery tour at Troegs in Harrisburg is kind of like that.  Plus you can buy cases of what they call 'Scratch' beer, which are basically minimum size batches of things the brewmasters are trying out.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on May 16, 2012, 10:58:15 pm
Looking good Jaeger.



I have been having some Franziskaner Weissbier, a hefeweizen, with dinner as of late.  It's ok, but I think I like bolder beers.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on May 17, 2012, 12:04:52 pm
I've been drinking three beers primarily over the last few weeks.

1. Dos Equis. It's everywhere, and delicious on draft with hot wings.

2. Leinenkugel Summer Shandy. Light and refreshing but flavorful with a lemonade finish for a hot summer afternoon.

3. Shiner Ruby Redbird. Very similar to the Summer Shandy, but with grapefruit instead of lemon. Very interesting.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on May 18, 2012, 03:49:44 am
Just finished a twelver of Newcastle Founders Ale.   :thumbup1   Not as hoppy as I thought it would be - clean finish.  Great with food.   
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Gunnguy on May 19, 2012, 05:43:43 pm
"'Scuse me ociffer...I have to mush blood in my alcohol shishtem."

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Storyteller on May 20, 2012, 01:53:59 am
I really kinda like STELLA .   :coffee
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on May 20, 2012, 09:13:07 pm
Just finished a twelver of Newcastle Founders Ale.   :thumbup1   Not as hoppy as I thought it would be - clean finish.  Great with food.   
"'Scuse me ociffer...I have to mush blood in my alcohol shishtem."


Actually, the term " finished " refers to having consumed the last of something.  To infer that the entire twelver was consumed in one sitting would be incorrect.  That only happened a few times when I was in college.   :facepalm
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Coronach on May 20, 2012, 10:27:04 pm
I had a friend in college that drank a keg.

A keg. By himself.

In one go.

Granted, that "go" took him the better part of spring break, but it was continuous and uninterrupted. See, his birthday was on the last day of classes before spring break, and he had recently broken up with his girlfriend, so he had no real plans. So, he bought himself a keg for the apartment kegerator, positioned the kegerator next to the recliner, made sure the remote had fresh batteries and that the Nintendo was hooked up properly, and proceeded to pickle himself until it was gone. Drinkdrinkdrinkdrink sleeeeeeeeep wake up pee drink drink drink drink lather rinse repeat.

For a week.

Then he sobered up and went back to class and graduated cum laude.

Mike

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on May 21, 2012, 02:36:35 am
Its good to get these things out of the way so they don't interfere later in life.   :shocked
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: seanp on May 21, 2012, 02:53:08 am
That sounds like a lot, but it works out to somewhat less than a beer an hour over the course of a week.  Too much for a neophyte, certainly, but easily doable for a hardened drinker.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Coronach on May 21, 2012, 02:54:57 am
Pretty much. "Hey, what's it like to be a nonfunctional alcoholic? ... ... ... okay, well, that was fun. Alrighty then, back to work."

Mike

PS and yeah, it averages out to that, but he didn't pace himself. ;)

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on May 21, 2012, 12:35:56 pm
Oh that sounds like great fun. Why didn't I think of that in college?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Gunnguy on May 22, 2012, 10:37:40 pm
 :facepalm
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on May 23, 2012, 01:20:03 am
I wouldn't try it now. If I tie one on, I feel it for about two days. And I'm only good for about 6 hours of beer sipping anymore. 8 if I really push it. But as I get older I pay more and more for it the next day.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on May 23, 2012, 02:54:10 am
Its just your liver sending up a flare .  .   .    .  :doh
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Gunnguy on May 23, 2012, 08:51:06 am
Its just your liver sending up a flare .  .   .    .  :doh
Yeah, what he said. But make sure the flare ain't near an airport.

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on May 23, 2012, 01:41:45 pm
12 hours bottle to throttle.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Kaso on May 23, 2012, 02:17:56 pm
12 hours bottle to throttle.
That's only for the military.  Civilian rules is 8 hours.



Kaso
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Coronach on May 23, 2012, 06:04:05 pm
Or, if you work Northwest Airlines, you can get to-go cups so you won't spill it on the jetway ...

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Gunnguy on May 23, 2012, 10:38:37 pm
Or, if you work Northwest Airlines, you can get to-go cups so you won't spill it on the jetway ...

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 :bash
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: strangelittleman on May 24, 2012, 09:40:47 pm
Its just your liver sending up a flare .  .   .    .  :doh
Hehe.....I've just worked 32 hrs of OT in the last wk and a half......This weekend, my "CHECK LIVER" light is going to be on!
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Canthros on October 15, 2012, 09:02:37 pm
Thread necromancy!

I've been drinking frou-frou beer.

Rogue Voodoo Doughnut Maple Bacon Ale: Lots of maple, little bit of smoke. Not unpleasant, but I think it was only really worth the price of admission for being able to say I've had baconated beer. Actually does list bacon as an ingredient, though.

Southern Tier Imperial Pumking: I love pumpkin pie, I like beer. Pumpkin beer seems like a sure winner, but the ones I've tried were always too subtle for my (seriously) unrefined palate. Pumking, though, is a pumpkin beer that tastes of pumpkin pie. No joke. I gotta go see if I can scrounge a few more this weekend, and ration them out through the holidays.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on October 15, 2012, 09:16:59 pm
It lives!  It lives!

I highly recommend the New Belgium fall seasonal Red Hoptober Ale.  It has three varities of hops in it and 6% volume of alcohol.  If you like hoppy beer what are you waiting for?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JesseL on October 15, 2012, 10:08:14 pm
I'm a whisky/whiskey novice but I've been enjoying this:

(http://www.bourbonblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Bulleit_95_rye_whiskey.jpg)

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Canthros on October 15, 2012, 10:21:18 pm
I've been meaning to check out Bulleit Bourbon, but have a cabinet full of whiskies already. First-world problems and all that.

(Laphroiag Quarter Cask is nice, though.)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on October 16, 2012, 12:09:51 am
You... actually like Laphroiag?

More power to you, man.  To me it tastes like sucking on a square of peat moss.  :vomit

A friend of mine drinks it once a year... to remind himself how it tastes.

There's a Corsair Artisinal whiskey you might like: Triple-Smoked. Equal portions of the barley are smoked over peat, cherry wood, and beechwood.  When I was told this, I was originally... hesitant, shall we say. but the end product is very, very good.

Oddly enough, Corsair also makes the only gins I like drinking. The other ones I've tried have all tasted like floorwax and PineSol.

http://www.corsairartisan.com/spirits/triple-smoke-american-single-malt-whiskey/ (http://www.corsairartisan.com/spirits/triple-smoke-american-single-malt-whiskey/)

We visited their distillery in Bowling Green, KY earlier this year. Great bunch of guys there. Spent a LOT of time talking to us about the craft.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Canthros on October 16, 2012, 09:02:00 am
You... actually like Laphroiag?

More power to you, man.  To me it tastes like sucking on a square of peat moss.  :vomit
Where is your bog now?!

I find the smoke and iodine flavors interesting. And, alas, I'm really not kidding about the unrefined palate. Blended whiskies are okay, but don't really excite me. Maybe I need to go someplace with a wide variety and sample a bunch, but I'm kinda stuck buying by the bottle, right now.

There's a Corsair Artisinal whiskey you might like: Triple-Smoked. Equal portions of the barley are smoked over peat, cherry wood, and beechwood.  When I was told this, I was originally... hesitant, shall we say. but the end product is very, very good.
I keep my eyes peeled, then. Being in the same state as the distillery, there's at least some hope of being able to find it.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on October 16, 2012, 11:16:10 am
Well, they ship here to Athens, so you should have a good shot (pun intended).  They're not cheap, per se, but they are less expensive than, say, a fifth of Oban.

Happy hunting!  :)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on October 16, 2012, 01:41:50 pm
There's a start up microbrewery here in town, New Republic Brewing, that makes a nice dunkelweizen.  Possibly the first dunkelweizen I've seen outside of Germany.

They just did a Kickstarter to raise money for a canning line...hopefully next spring they should be appearing in finer ABC stores across CenTex.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on October 16, 2012, 03:23:24 pm
There's a start up microbrewery here in town, New Republic Brewing, that makes a nice dunkelweizen.  Possibly the first dunkelweizen I've seen outside of Germany.

They just did a Kickstarter to raise money for a canning line...hopefully next spring they should be appearing in finer ABC stores across CenTex.

I found their website and read the description for the Skylight dunkelweizen.  It sounds great!
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on October 16, 2012, 08:04:35 pm
For the record, this thread shall never die.


I really want to try Laphroaig, but only because the name sounds quite novel to me.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on October 17, 2012, 01:29:04 am
Its a proper island spirit, lad.  Nae tha' weak kneed swill they drink in the lowlands.  Try some.  A wee dram to start - then work your way up from there.  Aye, good man.   ;)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Gunnguy on October 17, 2012, 07:57:02 am
Just stick with Guiness.


Or that stuff that the ladies lik epouring all over themselves....ok ok ok....lets NOT go there.
Sorry Harm!
 :nervous
Title: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on October 17, 2012, 09:23:20 am
Its a proper island spirit, lad.  Nae tha' weak kneed swill they drink in the lowlands.  Try some.  A wee dram to start - then work your way up from there.  Aye, good man.   ;)

It will put hair on your chest... And wool on your tongue (damn sheep!).
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on October 17, 2012, 02:57:38 pm
I found their website and read the description for the Skylight dunkelweizen.  It sounds great!

They posted a message on FB this morning that they had something go wrong with the latest batch, so there may be a shortage for a bit.   :panic

One the plus side, tomorrow they're having some sort of beer-off at a local establishment (owned by a guy at my church) between New Republic and another Aggie-owned brewery called Southern Star out of Conroe to see which one will get the last available tap spot.

So I get to support two local businesses, one of which is owned by a member of my church, and drink beer!   :thumbup1 :clap
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on October 17, 2012, 04:30:49 pm
What could possibly go wrong?  ;)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on October 17, 2012, 05:49:19 pm
So I get to support two local businesses, one of which is owned by a member of my church, and drink beer!   :thumbup1 :clap

Man that's a lot of good karma right there! :clap
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chief45 on October 18, 2012, 12:06:52 am
reminds me of how a friend described his church one time,  whenever 4 Catholics are gathered together, there's a fifth.

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on October 18, 2012, 11:53:23 am
When you go fishing with a Southern Baptist, how do you keep him from drinking all your beer?

Take along another Southern Baptist...
Title: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: lesptr on October 18, 2012, 12:54:11 pm
So true. So true.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on October 18, 2012, 10:00:30 pm
When you go fishing with a Southern Baptist, how do you keep him from drinking all your beer?

Take along another Southern Baptist...

When the German Baptists saw the American Baptists smoking, the Germans were so shocked they almost dropped their beers.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on October 18, 2012, 10:05:26 pm
Man that's a lot of good karma right there! :clap

Both beers are brewed by Aggies, too.

And New Republic got the win.  I got the third to last glass.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Gunnguy on October 19, 2012, 06:18:10 pm
Seriously you guys should check out Mad Anthony Brewing Company.

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: theirishdragon on October 21, 2012, 07:38:22 pm
I can't believe I just found this thread... Okay, so I've been going through it from the beginning for about the last week, but anyway...

For a long time I've been saying that my alcohol only comes in two flavors: beer and whiskey.  I now add mead, and get more eclectic on the whiskey.

Ambers, porters, and bocks are good.  Took me a while to get into hefeweizen, but I developed a taste for Shock Top last year.  Blue Moon's pretty good, too.  I'm also only a few hours from Big Sky Brewery now, so I can buy Moose Drool by the case...

My brother-in-law is a whiskey snob, so he and my wife introduced me to Laphroaig.  Great stuff.  Finished off a bottle of 18-year old Glenlivet a few months ago, that was by that time more like 22-years old, and I like the Laphroaig Quarter Cask better.

I'd pretty much stuck to Jack for bourbon for a long time, but just yesterday picked up a bottle of Bulleit.  Some of the smoothest bourbon I've ever had.  I think it's nicer than GJ.

Don't come near me with Jaeger, vodka, or tequila.  Rum and brandy are fine, but keep those devil drinks away from me.

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Canthros on October 21, 2012, 09:13:49 pm
Bourbon-wise, I really like Booker's. I am not widely drunk in any particular category, though.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on October 21, 2012, 11:19:41 pm
My consistently favorite beers include stout and doppelbocks.

I'd reckon I'd enjoy a dunkel lager as well.  For sure, I like good strong normal lagers, ie XX Amber and Sam Adams Boston Lager.


Tecate is good with tacos, but that just may be me.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on October 22, 2012, 03:57:57 am
Negra Modelo for me when eating Mexican food. :drool
Title: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on October 22, 2012, 08:35:55 am
Yesss... Or Modelo Especial...
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on October 22, 2012, 02:54:43 pm
Negra Modelo for me when eating Mexican food. :drool

Thanks.  Now I was enchiladas and beer.   :facepalm

What are you doing for lunch Ron?


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on October 22, 2012, 04:02:32 pm
Negra Modelo for me when eating Mexican food. :drool


If I'm in Mexico, and they don't have XX Amber, then I ask for this or vice-versa.
Title: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on October 22, 2012, 04:08:27 pm
I'm at a little hole in the wall Mexican place in AJ called Los Tacos. Alas no beer to go with my pollo tacos just ice tea.


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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on October 24, 2012, 12:53:11 am
I can't believe I just found this thread... Okay, so I've been going through it from the beginning for about the last week, but anyway...

For a long time I've been saying that my alcohol only comes in two flavors: beer and whiskey.  I now add mead, and get more eclectic on the whiskey.

Ambers, porters, and bocks are good.  Took me a while to get into hefeweizen, but I developed a taste for Shock Top last year.  Blue Moon's pretty good, too.  I'm also only a few hours from Big Sky Brewery now, so I can buy Moose Drool by the case...

My brother-in-law is a whiskey snob, so he and my wife introduced me to Laphroaig.  Great stuff.  Finished off a bottle of 18-year old Glenlivet a few months ago, that was by that time more like 22-years old, and I like the Laphroaig Quarter Cask better.

I'd pretty much stuck to Jack for bourbon for a long time, but just yesterday picked up a bottle of Bulleit.  Some of the smoothest bourbon I've ever had.  I think it's nicer than GJ.

Don't come near me with Jaeger, vodka, or tequila.  Rum and brandy are fine, but keep those devil drinks away from me.


Another Islay spirit to check out is Bowmore.  Pretty close to the ten year old Laphroaig in character at about 2/3 the price - it makes a killer Rusty Nail.   :cool    Bourbon?   The best on the planet, hands down, no argument is George T. Stagg.  Expensive but worth it.  Nothing else comes close.  For something more reasonably priced try Buffalo Trace from the same distillery.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on October 24, 2012, 09:24:26 am


Ambers, porters, and bocks are good.  Took me a while to get into hefeweizen, but I developed a taste for Shock Top last year.  Blue Moon's pretty good, too.  I'm also only a few hours from Big Sky Brewery now, so I can buy Moose Drool by the case...



Please quit drinking Shock Top. It only encourages the bas*ards to keep making it.  :neener

If you want good Hefe, try some of the German ones, Paulaner is good to start, Frazikaner, Julius Echter (the Dunkel is great).

Shock Top (bleh) is a bad copy of Blue Moon (slightly less bleh), which is a cheap knockoff of the Belgian white ales, like Hoegaarden and Blanche de Bruxelles. Chimay has a white that pretty much set the standard for me. New Belgium Tripel is a much better Americanized clone of the Belgians.

Sorry if I come off as a beer snob, but, hey, I'm in the industry, and live it almost daily.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on October 24, 2012, 11:58:09 am
I've tried Franziskaner Weissbier, and it wasn't bad.

But I also learned that hefes were not for me.  Too smooth, too light on flavor. I like something more robust.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Storyteller on October 24, 2012, 04:11:57 pm
Bourbon?   The best on the planet, hands down, no argument is George T. Stagg.  Expensive but worth it.  Nothing else comes close. 
Sorry, gotta disagree. Blanton's. Hands down. The best.   :coffee
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on October 24, 2012, 10:42:32 pm
You are welcome to your opinion sir, no matter how ill informed.   ;)    Blanton's is good stuff.  No question of it and I have enjoyed several bottles of it over the years but it in no way equals the character of GTS.  Being from a long line of Kentuckians ( both sides of the family )I basically grew up with bourbon in the house and no few conversations centered around the finest expression of it.  When I became old enough to form my own opinion on the matter I undertook to find out who made the best.  For a time Blanton's was as good as there was, commercially available.  It was in fact, the bourbon that really began the trend toward small batch, premium quality bourbon. 

That said, I still am of the opinion that no bourbon I have ever tasted whether from a commercial distiller or a private concern is a match for George T. Stagg.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on October 24, 2012, 10:46:14 pm
There's only one solution, gentlemen: shots at 5 paces.

Drink a shot of one, walk 5 paces, drink a shot of the other...
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on October 24, 2012, 10:48:41 pm
Wait.   :scrutiny    We don't get to drink together?  Where's the fun in that?  Your way we both get sh*tfaced and end up out in the woods somewhere.    :bash   Besides, we're talking about some of the finest sippin' whiskey ever produced so shots are out of the question.  At 142 proof you aren't going to take many steps anyway - at least not in a straight line.   :cool
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on October 25, 2012, 12:09:07 am
Who said in the woods? Line 'em up on the bar...  ;)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on October 25, 2012, 01:12:35 am
I've tried Franziskaner Weissbier, and it wasn't bad.

But I also learned that hefes were not for me.  Too smooth, too light on flavor. I like something more robust.

You must not be drinking the right ones, then. You can find a good, chewy, spicy Hefe if you look hard enough. Paulaner is a good starting point, Schneider Weiss and Haacker-Pschorr are good too. Schneider has one called Aventinus, a nice dark Doppel that has an undertone of black licorice, but not overbearing. One of my personal favorites.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on October 25, 2012, 02:01:05 am
You must not be drinking the right ones, then. You can find a good, chewy, spicy Hefe if you look hard enough. Paulaner is a good starting point, Schneider Weiss and Haacker-Pschorr are good too. Schneider has one called Aventinus, a nice dark Doppel that has an undertone of black licorice, but not overbearing. One of my personal favorites.


I think it's just the wheat beer thing.


But hell, you know what Paulaner I want to have?  The Salvator!  :cheers
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on October 25, 2012, 02:35:41 am

I think it's just the wheat beer thing.


But hell, you know what Paulaner I want to have?  The Salvator!  :cheers

Had the Salvator millenium brew, limited production 1.5 L magnum when I worked for a wholesaler. Was able to save one for about 3 years, the other didn't make past new years eve 1999.

Memories...sigh.

Salvator is (yet another) personal favorite.

But seriously, try the Aventinus. http://thebrewclub.com/2009/07/30/aventinus-doppelbock-beer-review/ (http://thebrewclub.com/2009/07/30/aventinus-doppelbock-beer-review/)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on October 25, 2012, 02:55:45 am
Let me get this straight:

This is a wheatbeer but a doppel at the same time?  Yeah, I'd give it a try.


Here is a fun pic for this thread:

(http://imageshack.us/a/img13/3589/atf002.jpg)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Storyteller on October 25, 2012, 08:18:05 pm
Excuss me beer drinkers, we were having a discussion on the finer points of real liquor drinking.  ;)  Coelacanth I shall perserve in the ways of the true hunter, track some GTS and report back....when I finish. Beer drinkers, you may continue.   :P
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on October 25, 2012, 10:47:28 pm
( Hey guys!  He must be finishing up the last of the Blanton's - I think he meant persevere.   ;)  )   Carry on sir.  I await the conclusion of your research.  I shall raise a glass to the success of your enterprise. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on October 26, 2012, 01:07:39 am
Watch this-

Rogue Brewery out of Oregon (purveyors of the mighty fine Dead Guy Ale) distill as well:

http://www.rogue.com/spirits/dead-guy-whiskey.php (http://www.rogue.com/spirits/dead-guy-whiskey.php)  I like it, although it is a bit sweeter than most of the whiskeys I drink, like Maker's, Knob Creek, Glenlivet and Jameson. A nice change of pace.

http://www.rogue.com/spirits/single-malt-whiskey.php (http://www.rogue.com/spirits/single-malt-whiskey.php)  Haven't tried this one yet, but looking for it.

So there  :neener Beer and whiskey in the same post, from the same company.

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on October 26, 2012, 09:27:07 am
Oo... Rogue has a good reputation (though I haven't tried any of their stuff)... I'll add that to the list to keep an eye out for.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Storyteller on October 26, 2012, 04:23:20 pm
( Hey guys!  He must be finishing up the last of the Blanton's - I think he meant persevere.   ;)  )   Carry on sir.  I await the conclusion of your research.  I shall raise a glass to the success of your enterprise. 
And a fine conclusion shot it was.  I'll be in my ...now where did I put that bunk. Anyway, I have some Stagg to George.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on October 26, 2012, 04:25:15 pm
 :clap
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on October 27, 2012, 10:18:27 am
 For fans of Budweiser, Beck's, Stella-

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-10-25/the-plot-to-destroy-americas-beer#p1 (http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-10-25/the-plot-to-destroy-americas-beer#p1)

The tl;dr version is this:

InBev is raising prices on their products and cutting costs. The cuts are coming from closing traditional breweries in their country of origin (Boddington's, Beck's) and brewing the beers in the U.S. They are also using lower quality ingredients, such as hops, for the beers they brew. Market share in the U.S. is down, big time.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on October 27, 2012, 01:22:21 pm
For fans of Budweiser, Beck's, Stella-

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-10-25/the-plot-to-destroy-americas-beer#p1 (http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-10-25/the-plot-to-destroy-americas-beer#p1)

The tl;dr version is this:

InBev is raising prices on their products and cutting costs. The cuts are coming from closing traditional breweries in their country of origin (Boddington's, Beck's) and brewing the beers in the U.S. They are also using lower quality ingredients, such as hops, for the beers they brew. Market share in the U.S. is down, big time.



Awwww f____ they got 50% of Grupo Modelo too?!?!  What's next, Cerveceria Cuauthemoc or even Boston Brewing Co.?


Is there a list of all brands owned and managed by AB InBev?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on October 27, 2012, 05:41:18 pm
Sorry, thought I had listed it as well. You'll have to enter your age


http://www.ab-inbev.com/go/brands/brand_portfolio/global_brands.cfm (http://www.ab-inbev.com/go/brands/brand_portfolio/global_brands.cfm)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on November 03, 2012, 11:08:32 am
So on Thursday evening, I tried Paulaner's Marzen/Oktoberfest!

It was fantastic!  I liked it more than Spaaten's rendition (which had a weird aftertaste).


Now I just need to try Paulaner's Salvator.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: mnw42 on November 06, 2012, 05:24:37 pm
A gift for my birthday this year:

AKA: Bottled happiness and sunshine

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-UKp7hMGJT2w/UJmKPiEChoI/AAAAAAAAAWk/Zn-4eDY8Jrc/s800/2012-11-06_17-02-54_160-800.jpg)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: theirishdragon on November 06, 2012, 05:55:28 pm
Wow.  I thought I was a beer snob, compared to the "30 pack of Coors Lite" crowd I've been surrounded by for the last decade or so.  Turns out I'm not even close...
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Raptor on November 06, 2012, 07:00:02 pm
Anyone here tried Samuel Adams Cherry Wheat? I'm thinking about giving it a try (if my local distributor ever gets any single bottles back in stock!)
Title: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on November 06, 2012, 07:23:26 pm
Anyone here tried Samuel Adams Cherry Wheat? I'm thinking about giving it a try (if my local distributor ever gets any single bottles back in stock!)

Get a six pack at least!  I like it a lot. LOL


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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Thernlund on November 06, 2012, 07:31:56 pm
INDEED.  Jesse had some of that out that last time the AZ crew were out at his place.  Good stuff!


-T.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Gunnguy on November 06, 2012, 09:27:26 pm
I have started to take some wine in the evening for my stomach's sake.
Strange...I'm not a drinker, but a glass of dark red wine seems to still the reflux at night.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: mnw42 on November 06, 2012, 09:29:12 pm
It isn't too bad
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on November 06, 2012, 09:42:55 pm
Anyone here tried Samuel Adams Cherry Wheat? I'm thinking about giving it a try (if my local distributor ever gets any single bottles back in stock!)

It's not bad, but Sam Adams has been giving me heartburn in general lately. Dunno why.

New Belgium has an "Old Cherry" seasonal that is great, as is their 'Frambozen.' I think they hit the shelves on an irregular basis around springtime.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on November 06, 2012, 09:43:17 pm
Wow.  I thought I was a beer snob, compared to the "30 pack of Coors Lite" crowd I've been surrounded by for the last decade or so.  Turns out I'm not even close...

Lightyears away, dude... :D
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on November 07, 2012, 11:19:38 pm
Anyone here tried Samuel Adams Cherry Wheat? I'm thinking about giving it a try (if my local distributor ever gets any single bottles back in stock!)

Yes!  You can actually taste natural cherries in the aftertaste.  I like beer from barley, but this one would be my go-to if I had to pick a wheat.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on November 08, 2012, 09:32:17 am
Too much sweet for my taste.  When I get some in one of those Sam Adams variety packs from Sam's Club, I give the cherry ones to the Mrs.

Then again, one of my favorite beers is Stone Ruination IPA.  Slogan: "I'm very bitter, and I like it."
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on November 08, 2012, 09:44:12 am
Got to try a Rogue Dead Guy Ale last night... *Very* nice... my wife tried their Hazelnut Brown and liked it, but when she tried the Dead Guy, she said "Okay, so we're picking up a six pack of that..."

Then I reminded her we had a growler of their Chocolate Porter in the beer fridge...  :thumbup1
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: mnw42 on November 08, 2012, 12:58:23 pm
Dead Guy is good stuff.  One bar I frequent has it on tap from time to time. :)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on November 08, 2012, 04:00:20 pm
Speaking of which, according to Terrapin's Facebook page, it is "International Stout Day"... I don't know if that's true or not, but I'll take any excuse...
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Raptor on November 08, 2012, 08:55:04 pm
Finally got around to picking up some Sam Adams Cherry Wheat.

Not bad. Not bad at all, actually.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: louie the lumberjack on November 10, 2012, 06:02:36 pm
Finally got around to picking up some Sam Adams Cherry Wheat.

Not bad. Not bad at all, actually.

If you liked that one Sam Adams has been putting out one called American Kreik from their "Barrel Room Collection."  It's definitely not a like the cherry wheat but the cherry notes are much more subtle and the type used are more tart.  Almost like eating them fresh.  It's worth a try unless you are hesitant about the price: $11 for a bomber (in CO).

louie the lumberjack
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on November 10, 2012, 08:23:44 pm
Found a new brewer - New Holland - that makes an oak aged high grav stout. Very nice.

And you can't beat the name: Dragon's Milk (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/335/5428).  :thumbup1
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Gunnguy on November 10, 2012, 08:25:30 pm
I'm not a real beer fan, but I'm finding wine a bit more tolerable since it seems to help my stomach.
Any recommendations?
I prefer sweeter, let dry wines.
And dark if possible.

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on November 10, 2012, 10:06:53 pm
Are you anywhere near a Trader Joe's? Their 'Moon' series is very tasty, particularly Old Moon - a zinfandel, and not particularly expensive.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Gunnguy on November 10, 2012, 10:26:49 pm
I'll be drinking this wine at night mostly.
So far the habit has kept my acid reflux at bay.
Trader Joe's...I'll check.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on November 10, 2012, 11:03:17 pm
New Belgium's 'Snow Day' seasonal is back out! Dark, malty, winter style ale goodness.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on November 10, 2012, 11:26:40 pm
I just picked up a six pack of No Label Brewing Black Wit-O. (With appropriate spider on the label.)  Dark wheat ale from Katy, TX.  I expected a Dunkelweizen, but it is definitely not that.  But still very good.

This will go great with a good dark cigar.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: louie the lumberjack on January 05, 2013, 08:23:00 pm
I decided to live dangerously this afternoon...

(http://i1342.photobucket.com/albums/o772/lbach82/image_zps6b6efbb6.jpg)

Yes that's bacon flavored beer.  They missed.  It's actually a style called "rauchbier" which is heavily smoked.  It reminds me more of a campfire than bacon.

louie the lumberjack
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Gunnguy on January 05, 2013, 09:20:03 pm
I decided to live dangerously this afternoon...

(http://i1342.photobucket.com/albums/o772/lbach82/image_zps6b6efbb6.jpg)

Yes that's bacon flavored beer.  They missed.  It's actually a style called "rauchbier" which is heavily smoked.  It reminds me more of a campfire than bacon.

louie the lumberjack

Yes, but does is pour well over pancakes?

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on January 05, 2013, 09:26:37 pm
My desktop support guy drank a bottle of that celebrating getting the job. He described it as "interesting... in small doses."
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Canthros on January 05, 2013, 10:02:36 pm
I had a bottle of the baconbeer a while back. All smoke and a little maple sweetnessI found the maple syrup dominated, with a little smoke to go with it, but that was about it. Not unpleasant, but I didn't think it worth repeating.

Edited: Found my post of Oct. 15 on this a few pages back in the thread. Correcting! Memory's a funny thing, alas.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on January 06, 2013, 11:33:10 am
I'm still alive.

Was in Mexico.

Went to the northern Mexican wine country and had too much wine.   :hide
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: louie the lumberjack on January 06, 2013, 12:20:30 pm
Yes, but does is pour well over pancakes?

I wouldn't, but if you want to man up...

Honestly, I was told it would be sickeningly sweet.  To me, it wasn't sweet at all, just overpowering smoke.

louie the lumberjack
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on January 06, 2013, 12:30:28 pm
Sounds like you got a different batch.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: goatroper on January 06, 2013, 02:23:57 pm
Yes!  You can actually taste natural cherries in the aftertaste.  I like beer from barley, but this one would be my go-to if I had to pick a wheat.

All this has aroused my inner hillbilly.  That just ain't right -- fruit grows on trees.  Beer don't.

Slogan: "I'm very bitter, and I like it."

Exactly.  Love the slogan -- that's one to remember.  :thumbup1
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: louie the lumberjack on January 06, 2013, 06:03:05 pm
Sounds like you got a different batch.

Maybe. I haven't had very good luck with Rogue as of late. I tried their "first colonial mead" or something like that.  I can only describe it as, "mealy."  A bit disheartening given a brewery of their caliber.

louie the lumberjack
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on January 06, 2013, 06:28:00 pm
That's disappointing to hear. I've got... what's left of a six-pack of Dead Guy Ale in the beer fridge, and it's goood stuff. It was a toss up between that and the Mocha Porter.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on January 10, 2013, 11:59:41 am
Tried a Leinenkugel Snowdrift Vanilla Porter last night, and I have to say it was good!

Usually, I don't like Leine, especially that citrus/Froot Loop flavored wheat they vomited out way back when, but they done good with the porter.

Not as much of a high alcohol bite as Breckenridge's version, the vanilla balanced the bitter nicely.

I'd suggest it to the dark beer lovers.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: louie the lumberjack on March 23, 2013, 10:36:48 pm
Here's something I threw together and left in my basement for the last couple months. This is a porter.  I added crushed cherries and vanilla to the wort.  It's bit unbalanced. I gave to too much sugar to convert to alcohol but I didn't balance it enough so it has a slight bite (around 8-10% abv).  The cherries though left it with a subtle aftertaste.  Not my best work in this arena but it'll do today. 

(http://i1342.photobucket.com/albums/o772/lbach82/image_zpsf1acde75.jpg)

louie the lumberjack
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on March 24, 2013, 02:32:30 am
Better living through chemistry!  :cool
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on March 30, 2013, 12:47:03 am
I can think of worse things to have happen than a high-grav porter...
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mikey4001 on March 30, 2013, 01:14:08 am
Not my best work in this arena but it'll do today. 

I find that one of the great things about homebrew is that all but the most disastrous attempts tend to become rather drinkable after the first three or four.  I think I've only ever had one batch that I couldn't muscle 'em all down. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on March 30, 2013, 03:19:38 pm
Here's something I threw together and left in my basement for the last couple months. This is a porter.  I added crushed cherries and vanilla to the wort.  It's bit unbalanced. I gave to too much sugar to convert to alcohol but I didn't balance it enough so it has a slight bite (around 8-10% abv).  The cherries though left it with a subtle aftertaste.  Not my best work in this arena but it'll do today. 

(http://i1342.photobucket.com/albums/o772/lbach82/image_zpsf1acde75.jpg)

louie the lumberjack

Want!
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Robinson on March 30, 2013, 09:06:02 pm
Lately my wife and I have been getting into the whole Beer Growler thing -- draft beer you can take home!  The local growler store carries some real good craft brews - and they rotate frequently to add variety.

A buddy and I recently brewed our first all-grain batch of beer -- it's a Sweetwater 420 clone and I hope it turns out okay.  Especially after all the time it takes to brew it!
Title: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on April 04, 2013, 07:35:18 pm
Got to sample Allagash White on my way home.... Nice!

I stopped in to pick up pizza for dinner, and the manager asked if I wanted a beer while I waited. I said "No, thanks, I'm driving... But the Allagash White looks interesting." The barkeep poured a swallow or two into a mini-pilsner and slid it down to me.

Right tasty.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Grant on May 25, 2013, 07:48:40 pm
       Okay fella's, going out for a night (for a first time) with a friend.   Not planning on getting wasted (planning being the main word there), but was wondering if there was anything in particular worth trying and/or advised for someone trying new stuff?  That also ironically don't care for alot of types of booze  :confused

   Never been much of an alcohol person total trials thus far:
  #1. Tried a few mainstream beers and didn't care for any,
   #2.  HATED malibou when I tried it, too damn sickly sweet.
   #3.  home-made wine made by a friend that is damn near as lethal as whiskey (We once decided it was roughly 4X more "potent" than normal wine) and I liked it.
   #4.  Some blue raspberry flavored vodka that wasn't too bad.
    #5.  Mixed Coke and (rum?) that tasted like zero alcohol and 100% doctor pepper.

     
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on May 25, 2013, 08:29:02 pm
Try some darker stuff. Beers and especially rums. A clear rum and cola is awful imho. I prefer Bacardi Select, Sailor Jerry, or Kraken in my Coke, and mixed strongly enough to actually enjoy the flavor of the rum. Had a really good Myers rum and coke last weekend at some hoity-toity martini bar.

Most people I know who initially didn't like beer ended up liking darker beers. The cheap stuff will do the trick if you can choke it down, and after the third one, you don't really care what it tastes like anymore.

And of course, if you do enjoy yourself more than "planned," don't try to drive.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: louie the lumberjack on May 25, 2013, 11:24:17 pm
If by "mainstream beer" you are referring to something yellow, watery and has a multi-million dollar marketing campaign--try better beer ;). In your neck of the woods, the Misoula Brew Co makes an excellent brown ale called "Moose Drool." 

If you're feeling adventurous ask the bartender for a ".357 Magnum."  When he gives you a puzzled look:
1 oz Bacardi® 151 rum
1 oz vodka
2 oz amaretto almond liqueur
2 1/2 oz 7-Up soda

If you can handle its namesakes recoil you can handle the drink... Have fun out there but be safe.

louie the lumberjack

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on May 25, 2013, 11:35:41 pm
       Okay fella's, going out for a night (for a first time) with a friend.   Not planning on getting wasted (planning being the main word there), but was wondering if there was anything in particular worth trying and/or advised for someone trying new stuff?  That also ironically don't care for alot of types of booze  :confused

   Never been much of an alcohol person total trials thus far:
  #1. Tried a few mainstream beers and didn't care for any,
   #2.  HATED malibou when I tried it, too damn sickly sweet.
   #3.  home-made wine made by a friend that is damn near as lethal as whiskey (We once decided it was roughly 4X more "potent" than normal wine) and I liked it.
   #4.  Some blue raspberry flavored vodka that wasn't too bad.
    #5.  Mixed Coke and (rum?) that tasted like zero alcohol and 100% doctor pepper.

     

Try a snakebite- 1/2 lager and 1/2 cider (woodchuck amber or ace pear make good ones with Harp) Some places use Guinness as the beer side (they're WRONG!) but it works too.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Grant on May 26, 2013, 07:35:39 pm
  Thanks for some of the tips.    Guess we'll see come whenever I get time to try it out. 

  Guy I'm going with has a bit more drinking experiance so tht should make it some easier ;)    NOT planning on getting wasted or hitting on anyone, just forgetting the last two months.

   
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on May 26, 2013, 09:28:08 pm
If you go to a place that makes real margaritas...not the kind that's like an alcoholic slushee, get one.  Not the kind with bottled mix, either.

Real lime juice, preferably fresh squeezed, good tequila, and triple sec, over ice.

I had a couple at the Margaritaville in Cozumel, and they were great.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on May 26, 2013, 11:51:35 pm
Just as long as the ones doing the drinking aren't the ones doing the driving .  .  .   :bash.   I agree with the suggestion of a good margarita.  Trouble with that is finding a good one.  Actually, good tequila ( or any other good whiskey ) doesn't require anything but a clean glass to sip it out of.

That said, I don't know what your local watering hole considers good whiskey so I'll try to give you some leeway on that score.   I agree with the general concensus on darker beer but don't overlook the hefeweizen category.  The wheat beers are light and refreshing especially when served with a wedge of lemon, lime or orange.  Dark rums are best and if you like the flavor of them try it with club soda over ice.  A squeeze of lemon or lime juice and/or a Dash of bitters adds complexity.  Myer's rum is good like this and Kraken will be also.  I'll throw down the Celtic gauntlet here and suggest Scotch on the rocks.  I like to introduce people to Scotch with a J&B over ice.  Not bad and even beginners seem to like it.

Remember ,   If you don't like the taste of something you shouldn't waste your money on it.  Enjoy.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Atlas8193 on May 27, 2013, 01:36:54 am
I can think of worse things to have happen than a high-grav porter...

Like a high gravity lager such as Steel Reserve?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mikee5star on May 27, 2013, 01:39:36 am
I used to drink what I called a Screw Up, you are what you drink when you drink them the way I used to.  Take a pint glass fill with ice, then fill half way with Stoli, then top up to seven eighths with orange juice, and finish with Seven-Up or Sprite.  Bars where I used to live would serve mixed drinks in pints, cuts down on trips to bar.  After first or second just have them mixed with well Vodka, lots cheaper. 
If you or your friends are drinking take a cab.  I don't know of anywhere in US that does not have a zero tolerance policy on DUI.  Last guy I know who had one, said it cost him almost $20,000 by the time it was all done, including the higher rate insurance.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Coronach on May 27, 2013, 04:26:57 am
With beer, color matters less than quality. There are some very good lagers and pilsners out there. It is unfortunate that the "American Lager" and pilsner styles have become so associated with absolutely craptastical mega brews like Coors, A-B, Budweiser, etc, because they really are dreadful. Low cost, low quality, low flavor.

That said, I do prefer ales, which tend to be darker.

Mike

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on May 27, 2013, 04:40:16 am
Yuengling being the stand out exception that proves the rule: very good, inexpensive, American style lager that actually has *flavor*.

Are there microbrews that beat it? Yeah, but they typically cost more.

The downside to it is that it isn't yet a national brand. It's still owned by the family that started it, it's the oldest privately owned brewery in the US, and they've been very shrewd about not expanding too quickly.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Grant on May 27, 2013, 08:32:52 am
If you or your friends are drinking take a cab.  I don't know of anywhere in US that does not have a zero tolerance policy on DUI.  Last guy I know who had one, said it cost him almost $20,000 by the time it was all done, including the higher rate insurance.
That's why it's gonna be careful and extremely...ah...low-quantity between the two of us.    No cabs possible, as it's an 80 mile drive to get to the bars and back.

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on May 27, 2013, 01:10:25 pm
Malibu tastes like shampoo.

Go have some good tequila or scotch or something.


Last evening I was sipping on some neat Grey Goose.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Stevie-Ray on May 28, 2013, 08:02:57 pm
Try some darker stuff. Beers and especially rums. A clear rum and cola is awful imho. I prefer Bacardi Select, Sailor Jerry, or Kraken in my Coke, and mixed strongly enough to actually enjoy the flavor of the rum. Had a really good Myers rum and coke last weekend at some hoity-toity martini bar.

I usually keep a couple litres of Myers dark on hand. So true, it's completely different than the light rums in Coke, no comparison.

Can't stomach dark beers, though. :vomit
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mikee5star on May 29, 2013, 01:43:17 am
That's why it's gonna be careful and extremely...ah...low-quantity between the two of us.    No cabs possible, as it's an 80 mile drive to get to the bars and back.
I would say in my unscientific research one beer per hour, no more than three TOTAL.  Last beer an hour before driving home.  When I last followed this pattern I was pulled over for DUI, I was trying to open a bag of chips, and blew a 0.00.  I am 6' and average 225 lbs, and was drinking 6-10 drinks per week at that time.   I don't know about MT but in AK you can be detained for as low 0.04.  I know people  who have taken cabs further, 225 miles each way, but there was crab fishing money and naked girls involved.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on May 29, 2013, 03:23:06 am
I used to drink what I called a Screw Up, you are what you drink when you drink them the way I used to. 

Similar to a Harvey Wallbanger. Same Vodka and OJ mix, with a spoon full of Galliano floated on top.

I'm a huge fan of Yuengling as well.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on May 29, 2013, 03:31:41 am
So am I the only one that drinks straight liquor?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on May 29, 2013, 03:39:16 am
So am I the only one that drinks straight liquor?

Doesn't appear so, but I sure don't. Shots don't agree with me. Like, they instantly and violently disagree. Can't take the taste of sipping straight liquor.

I very rarely drink liquor at all. I'm a beer guy.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on May 29, 2013, 08:39:10 am
So am I the only one that drinks straight liquor?

About the only thing I get mixed is a mojito... Other'n that, they're usually straight...
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JesseL on May 29, 2013, 12:12:32 pm
So am I the only one that drinks straight liquor?

I've been sampling a few bourbons and rye whiskys (whiskeys? whiskies?). Really liking the price/quality on Bulleit's selection.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on May 29, 2013, 12:31:45 pm
Bourbon or rye neat or on the rocks.  Scotch neat or on the rocks.  Rum on the rocks.  Tequila neat or with a drop or two of brine ( don't knock it until you've tried it ).  Clear liquor is best left to those who enjoy it. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on May 29, 2013, 01:23:10 pm
So am I the only one that drinks straight liquor?

I rarely drink any hard liquor. I'll have a glass of wine or two with holiday dinners. I'm a beer guy.

Speaking of which Sierra Nevada Bigfoot Ale. Oh boy!


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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on May 29, 2013, 01:31:32 pm
I would say in my unscientific research one beer per hour, no more than three TOTAL.  Last beer an hour before driving home.  When I last followed this pattern I was pulled over for DUI, I was trying to open a bag of chips, and blew a 0.00.  I am 6' and average 225 lbs, and was drinking 6-10 drinks per week at that time.   I don't know about MT but in AK you can be detained for as low 0.04.  I know people  who have taken cabs further, 225 miles each way, but there was crab fishing money and naked girls involved.

A shot of liquor, a glass of wine, and 12 ounces of beer when consumed will raise your BAC .025 +/- depending on weight. Your body will process and get rid of .015 in one hour.

If you drink 4 beers in one hour you'll be at .10. Your liver does its job and you're at .085 which is over the limit and you're presumed to be DUI in most states.

You can do the math and see how people get in trouble.


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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Grant on May 29, 2013, 01:38:32 pm
A shot of liquor, a glass of wine, and 12 ounces of beer when consumed will raise your BAC .025 +/- depending on weight. Your body will process and get rid of .015 in one hour.

If you drink 4 beers in one hour you'll be at .10. Your liver does its job and you're at .085 which is over the limit and you're presumed to be DUI in most states.

You can do the math and see how people get in trouble.


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Only .025?    Wow...I thought it was basically 2 beers got you to .08% (MT's limit).   But yeah, not going overboard, basically about the limits already stated.  Mainly just taking that slight edge off of being in public is all ;)

 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mikee5star on May 29, 2013, 10:52:36 pm
So am I the only one that drinks straight liquor?

I did, but even if you count bud lite, which I don't, I have only had six or eight beers in the last year, and no hard stuff in two years.  I am a first responder, married to a first responder who is only off of call when she is out of town, so we basically don't drink any more.  My last favorite was the 12 yr old Canadian Club.  I got burned out on hard stuff hanging out with guys who drank Jose Gold like it was water.  The two of them would put down a half gallon in about 3 hours.  One of the guys drank a half gallon a day for almost a year straight and still functioned, kinda.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Coronach on May 30, 2013, 12:04:29 am
Heh! One of my college roommates got a keg for his 21st birthday. Not a keg to share, a keg for himself.

His birthday was at the beginning of winter break, so he had time to drink it and recover. He would drink until he passed out, wake up, eat something, and start drinking again. He did it, with a little time to spare.

It was his little foray into what it would be like to be a non-functioning alcoholic. Apparently he decided it wasn't his thing, as he graduated with honors.

Mike

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: rvsix8 on May 31, 2013, 11:00:54 pm
This thread is huge, so sorry if it's already been brought up. If you guys like whiskey (I don't), you should try Wild Turkey American Honey. I think that Honey Jack tastes too sweet, like maple syrup. And it's really thick. The Wild Turkey is much better. It's got just enough honey to take the edge off the whiskey taste. I'm actually able to enjoy whiskey this way.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on June 01, 2013, 12:46:39 am
I've been sampling a few bourbons and rye whiskys (whiskeys? whiskies?). Really liking the price/quality on Bulleit's selection.
Countries with no E in their name say whisky. Canada, Scotland Japan
Countries with an E in their name say whiskey. United States, Ireland

That is a rule that works most of the time anyway.  ;)

Woodford Reserve is a nice bourbon if you are so inclined. I find I tend towards bourbons during the winter. My taste runs to Irish variations during the summer along with some nice sipping tequilas. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on June 02, 2013, 08:24:20 pm
Countries with no E in their name say whisky. Canada, Scotland Japan
Countries with an E in their name say whiskey. United States, Ireland

That is a rule that works most of the time anyway.  ;)

Woodford Reserve is a nice bourbon if you are so inclined. I find I tend towards bourbons during the winter. My taste runs to Irish variations during the summer along with some nice sipping tequilas. 


My experience is that bourbons and American spirits tend to have 'Whisky', while the Irish and Scots usee 'Whiskey'. Not consistent here Stateside, though.

Personally, I say "Screw you and your extra letters, you Limey bastiches! I like my whisky, aluminum, and color just the way they are!"
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Grant on July 06, 2013, 01:19:48 pm
    Figured I'd post an update with what I found out:

 #1.....as long as you start drinking, (I am saying as in over weeks, not each session) you can tolerate about anything enough to try it once.

  #2.  Not sure about the price VS taste balance, but so far I've figured out why there's so many purple bags around in our area.    Of the whiskys so far, Crown Royal's really touched the spot.

  Other'n that, not really much to say.  Gotten too busy to do much, and "mainstream" beers and whisky's generally been all.   

Still managed to not have a hangover yet  :thumbup1  Which is actually pretty odd considering how much has been consumed a couple of times.......
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on July 06, 2013, 02:06:25 pm
Hydrate, hydrate, hydrate.  And moderation can't hurt, either.

But yeah, Crown Royal's nice.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: RetroGrouch on July 06, 2013, 04:34:11 pm
Spent 3 weeks in Europe, did a lot more drinking than I normally do (no driving involved, someone else paying for some of it, trying new stuff).  Poland has some awesome beers to go with their native dishes (food).  Germany has great beers and wines, and we discovered how good the fermented apple alcoholic drinks are there.  Had another whiskey tasting in Scotland - some of their single malts are very good (the best was about 120 proof) and some taste like disinfectant (and are meant to!).  Tried a Cuban rum called Havana Bay, and drank it the rest of the time I was overseas, it was so good.  I think the Italians have the right idea to have a small glass of prosecco (think Italian champagne) before every meal.  Very civilized.  Do NOT drink the Romanian prune brandy, especially if it is made by the local equivalent of a moonshiner.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JackCrow on July 06, 2013, 05:03:32 pm
Single malt scotch and top shelf bourbon and tequila I drink straight up. Otherwise I don't mind a mixed drink. Beer I have to be in the mood for and then only microbrews or occasionaly Sam Adams or Fat Tire.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Lupinus on July 06, 2013, 05:42:23 pm
Do NOT drink the Romanian prune brandy, especially if it is made by the local equivalent of a moonshiner.
Oh come now, tuica aint THAT bad. Besides you wouldn't want to offend your hosts now would you?  :rotfl
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: aikorob on July 06, 2013, 09:40:52 pm
   
Still managed to not have a hangover yet  :thumbup1  Which is actually pretty odd considering how much has been consumed a couple of times.......
Gatorade or other sports drinks before sleep

really cool biology teacher in school explained that the alcohol chemically bonded with water in the body, making it unavailable ---hence the "cottonmouth" next day
particularly apparrant also was that your brain likes to float in fluid---dry brain=massive headache

don't know if any of that is scientific or if he was just making it up, but the gatorade seems to work for me
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on July 07, 2013, 07:49:45 pm
I found out that Scotch>Bourbon>Rye Whiskey.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JesseL on July 07, 2013, 08:36:41 pm
I found out that Scotch>Bourbon>Rye Whiskey.

 :scrutiny

I love me some good rye.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on July 07, 2013, 11:05:33 pm
Jesse: Look for this -

http://www.corsairartisan.com/ryemageddon.html (http://www.corsairartisan.com/ryemageddon.html)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JesseL on July 07, 2013, 11:08:36 pm
 :shocked

I will keep my eyes open for that.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on July 07, 2013, 11:39:19 pm

:shocked

I will keep my eyes open for that.

Everything else I've had by them - from the Barrel Aged Gin, through the Triple Smoke, to the Insane In The Grain has been top notch stuff.

And I hate gin. Everything else tastes like floor wax, by comparison.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on July 08, 2013, 01:05:17 am
:scrutiny

I love me some good rye.

I tried Bulleit.

The way it all felt to me was strange, but I think you'll understand.


Scotch and bourbon are to the recoil of a .45 Auto, whereas Rye is to the recoil of a .40 S&W.

:hide
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JesseL on July 08, 2013, 01:28:27 am
Yep, good rye has a bit of a spicy burn. Not so sweet as bourbon or as peaty as scotch (in ultra generalized terms).

Definitely it's own thing.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on July 08, 2013, 01:54:55 am
It wasn't even that it was spicy, but the way aftertaste seemed to not last as long inside the mouth--like it didn't have a follow-through, if you will.

It was different.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on July 08, 2013, 02:35:35 am
A lot depends on the recipe.  Bulleit is not bad, though.    :thumbup1
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Coronach on July 08, 2013, 02:50:53 am
Did someone say Rye?

https://www.thepartysource.com/express/item.php?id=33758 (https://www.thepartysource.com/express/item.php?id=33758)

It's not just rye, its' white dog rye (non-aged...strong stuff).

These guys are seriously, seriously good. Their reserve bourbon is absolutely delicious. http://middlewestspirits.com/ (http://middlewestspirits.com/)

Mike
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on July 08, 2013, 03:26:48 am
http://youtu.be/qFSAc3E1hWc (http://youtu.be/qFSAc3E1hWc)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JesseL on July 08, 2013, 07:04:59 pm
(http://0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/61/26/bca0e9c47540869e464e1fca0723222a-7-presidential-cocktails-for-your-fourth-of-july.jpg)

With credit to Michael Z Williamson for pointing this out on facebook.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on July 08, 2013, 11:30:50 pm
Emphasis on rough .   .    .    :facepalm
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on July 09, 2013, 03:22:38 pm
Twenty Seven pages!   What a diverse group we are when it comes to how to wet our whistle!   Some simple observations from a new member:

1.  There is a profound and highly sophisticated interest in all the wonderful nuances of beer.

2.  Despite number #1, and even though beer and malt whisky (without the "e", meaning I refer to Scotch) are made from the very same ingredients, there seems to be little interest in the fine points of the latter, the distilled brother of ales and lagers.

Allow me to step forward as a modest and beginner level devotee of single malt whisky.  After all it is from the Gaelic "usquebaugh" shortened to "usque" or "usky" that the Scottish original gave birth to our modern whisky or whiskey.

I try to keep a well-stocked bar of single malts (see photo below, arranged alphabetically) for sipping with a few carefully selected friends and make an interesting addition from time to time.   I am no expert, continue to learn the endless intracies and regional variations daily, and enjoy the hobby almost as much as shooting.  BTW:  High alcohol content beverages, such as malt whiskys do not age in the bottle, contrary to popular belief and unlike wine.  The aging is only in the oak cask, exposed to the oak.   So, a 12 year old remains a 12 year old, once bottled, no matter how long it is on your shelf.

Apologies for the poor cell-cam quality.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on July 09, 2013, 04:00:53 pm
I can't read the "O's"... got any Oban in there?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on July 09, 2013, 04:30:34 pm
I can't read the "O's"... got any Oban in there?

Yep.  A 14 year old.  It's to the right of the Macallan 12 and left of the Old Pulteney.  For those of us with access to fresh seafood, it goes extremely well with oysters on the half shell.  Fresh, crisp, clean, slightly salty, firm, dry but smoooooth.  The smoke is relatively mild and comes in late.  A nice choice, sir.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on July 09, 2013, 04:59:07 pm
I would recommend to you some of the other products by Corsair Artisan - the same company I linked to for the Ryemageddon... Very nicely crafted products.

Occasionally, they make a bourbon called 'Rasputin' from an Imperial Stout beer recipe. I have not tried it, but it sounds fascinating.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Coronach on July 09, 2013, 05:32:05 pm
My distilled beverage experience is very limited. I'm slowly gifting into it. The key, I think, is (like beer) going a step or two above your standard fare. The problem is that this means that you can spend a LOT of money on something that you may not like. Buying a sixer of beer that is awful is bad enough. Buying a $40 bottle of whiskey that turns out to taste like shoe leather is a whole different realm of suck.

Beer, even good beer, is just so much more accessible.

Mike

ETA: My current brown distilled spirits selection is limited. I have a bottle of Dalmore and a bottle of Middle West Spirits OYO reserve bourbon.

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on July 09, 2013, 05:40:11 pm
I've been drinking some Sam Adams Porch Rocker right now. The first bottles were in a sampler pack.

It's good right now for the hot humid weather here in AZ right now.  Similar to a summer shandy.


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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on July 09, 2013, 06:02:11 pm
Buying a $40 bottle of whiskey that turns out to taste like shoe leather is a whole different realm of suck.

For instance, if someone asks you if you want to try Laphroaig, look at them for a moment, then quietly ask them "I thought we were friends? Why would you do that to me?" 

Like sucking on a smoked brick of peat moss. :vomit

A friend of mine keeps a bottle around, to sip on once a year, to remind him what good stuff tastes like: "Not that."
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JackCrow on July 09, 2013, 06:20:20 pm
Very nice selection there M556, congrats.
I have sampled a fair number of those over the years. I was with a group whose side hobby was single malts when we all got together. Only single malt, nothing less than 12 years was the rule.

I still love a good single malt, light on the peat.  :thumbup1
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on July 09, 2013, 06:25:06 pm
My distilled beverage experience is very limited. I'm slowly gifting into it. The key, I think, is (like beer) going a step or two above your standard fare. The problem is that this means that you can spend a LOT of money on something that you may not like. Buying a sixer of beer that is awful is bad enough. Buying a $40 bottle of whiskey that turns out to taste like shoe leather is a whole different realm of suck.

Beer, even good beer, is just so much more accessible.

Mike

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Understood.   I was the same way, and only knew about the run-of-the-mill blended Scotch and a couple mediocre single malts available in most local stores.  Those choices tend to put most people off on what good malt whisky is all about.  in 2005 my wife and I spent a couple weeks in Scotland.  I got to tour a number of distilleries, castles, churches and old battlefields, not necessarily in that order.  Tasting rooms at the distilleries gave me a chance to sample and not have to spend $$ on stuff I would hate later.

My advice:  Find a friend with a modest collection and offer to pay a little to sample some.  Make sure this is someone into malt whisky and not a guy with a general bar with a couple bottles of single malt.  You'll soon find out what you like best.

Another option would be to find a good bar in your city with a decent variety and tell the bartender you want to learn and try several different ones.   Don't order them on the rocks.  Order them straight up.   No ice, and with room temperature tap water on the side.  Add your own water, gradually sipping until you get it to your level of dilution.   The water will release the oily esters and open up the nose of the malt.  Ice or cold water destroys this and masks the subtle distinctions that lead to making a good choice.   Once you figure out what you really like, it's no sin to add ice if you prefer it that way.  Chances are they will not have a proper glass, but a brandy sniffer will do in a pinch.  Again, once you figure these things out, you can drink it from a Mason jar, if you prefer.   All the pretentious crap is only helpful at the beginning to use all your senses to separate the ones you like from the ones you don't.
 
Or, if you can't find a friend like that, I'll offer two recommendations for widely available single malts that are solid "all-arounders" that most people seem to enjoy, regardless of where in the spectrum their preferences lie.  The first is Glenmorangie Original.  The second, is Highland Park 12.  I have yet to find anyone whose tried either of those who was disappointed.  Neither is "expensive" by single malt standards.  Expect $40-45 most places, perhaps a bit more for the Highland Park. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on July 09, 2013, 06:42:52 pm
For instance, if someone asks you if you want to try Laphroaig, look at them for a moment, then quietly ask them "I thought we were friends? Why would you do that to me?" 

Like sucking on a smoked brick of peat moss. :vomit

A friend of mine keeps a bottle around, to sip on once a year, to remind him what good stuff tastes like: "Not that."

Laphroaig is definitely an acquired taste and not something I'd recommend to a beginner, and perhaps not an ultimate preference by many.  I think I have currently the 10, the Quarter Cask, and the Cask Strength versions in their range.  They are mostly for guests who do like the tarred asphalt rope, iodine medicine cabinet, rubber tire burning sort of sensation!   Actually, it's not that bad, although it takes some getting used to.  The shock to the entire system is part of the attraction for them.  Just about everyone attracted to Laphroaig and the heavy Islay maritime style moves on to Ardbeg, especially the incredible Uigeadail version, once I put a glass of that in front of them.  It combines the attack of Laphraoig with a sweet, mellow smoky intangible balance.  Think about a fine Havana cigar experience.  Heat and sweet, if you will. Brine and shortbread.  Complex.

Personally, I prefer the more subtle, heathery complex sherried Speysides and Highlanders, for the most part, although I have no clear favorite and my taste varies with the seasons and occasion.  At the moment, I'm enjoying Cragganmore 12, perhaps the most fragile, floral, honeyish complex aroma of them all and amazingly affordable when you can find it.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Coronach on July 09, 2013, 06:45:31 pm
Good advice. I edited my post while you were typing, I think. I've tasted a little (Glenlivet, Glenmorangie, but those were so long ago I forget what they tasted like), and I have a bottle of Dalmore 12 year. It's good, but a bit of a challenge. I would not say that it is exactly enjoyable, but there is something to it. I would say that I almost like it, but not quite. ;)

Now, the OYO Bourbon, on the other hand ...

I've read (and, possibly experienced) that bourbons are easier for newbies to appreciate. Dunno.

What's your opinion of the Dalmore?

Mike
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on July 09, 2013, 06:59:41 pm
There is no Dalmore in my collection at the moment. Perhaps that says something.  It is a northern Highlands region product.  Others in the same geographic region are Glenmorangie, Clinelish, and Old Pulteney, all of which I enjoy. Regional soil, water, temperature, presence or absence of heather in both the water and the peat, proximity to the sea, all produce distinct characteristics.   Dalmore seems not to distinguish itself among that group.   One Dalmore I did like and cannot find at the moment, is their Cigar Malt.  It is pretty darned good.

Of the whiskys above, the most interesting in terms of "good" uniqueness is Clinelish.  Did you ever think a whisky could remind you of the flavor of mustard?  Subtle, but there, almost like mustard seeds were added to the mash.  Quite good with a roast beef sandwich.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Grant on July 09, 2013, 07:00:39 pm
  Lol. ok. I'm not gonna be a expert, I think I'll just drink it.  I think I could put waaaayyy too much thought into it  :thumbup1
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: theirishdragon on July 09, 2013, 08:11:50 pm
I finally tried Buffalo Trace after finishing my bottle of Bulleit.  I think I like the Bulleit a little bit better.

Still working on the bottle of Laphroaig; probably try Ardbeg after that's finished.  I happen to like Laphroaig, but I'm cheap, so it only comes out for particular occasions, unlike my brother-in-law, who drinks Islay Scotch like I drink beer.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on July 09, 2013, 10:24:51 pm
For instance, if someone asks you if you want to try Laphroaig, look at them for a moment, then quietly ask them "I thought we were friends? Why would you do that to me?" 

Like sucking on a smoked brick of peat moss. :vomit

A friend of mine keeps a bottle around, to sip on once a year, to remind him what good stuff tastes like: "Not that."
OK, so you don't like it.  That just means there's more for those of us that do.   :cool
Laphroaig is definitely an acquired taste and not something I'd recommend to a beginner, and perhaps not an ultimate preference by many.  I think I have currently the 10, the Quarter Cask, and the Cask Strength versions in their range.  They are mostly for guests who do like the tarred asphalt rope, iodine medicine cabinet, rubber tire burning sort of sensation!   Actually, it's not that bad, although it takes some getting used to.  The shock to the entire system is part of the attraction for them.  Just about everyone attracted to Laphroaig and the heavy Islay maritime style moves on to Ardbeg, especially the incredible Uigeadail version, once I put a glass of that in front of them.  It combines the attack of Laphraoig with a sweet, mellow smoky intangible balance.  Think about a fine Havana cigar experience.  Heat and sweet, if you will. Brine and shortbread.  Complex.

Personally, I prefer the more subtle, heathery complex sherried Speysides and Highlanders, for the most part, although I have no clear favorite and my taste varies with the seasons and occasion.  At the moment, I'm enjoying Cragganmore 12, perhaps the most fragile, floral, honeyish complex aroma of them all and amazingly affordable when you can find it.
I commend you on your taste, sir.  You have developed an educated palate.   I notice one of my favorites in your cabinet - Caol Ila - the 18 year old is superb.   I tend to favor the island whisky when the weather turns cool and damp.   Lagavulin is on the short list along with Talisker and Laphroiag.    You are right about Highland Park - it is one of the very best balanced single malts available.  Highly recommended.

For those of you not sure about Scotch whisky don't despair.  The blended whiskys are not bad - they just lack the depth of character developed by the single malts over time.   J&B is a good place to start or Dewars White label.  Some prefer Johnnie Walker or Ballantine's but if you just want to see what all the fuss is about you can generally do it for about $25.00.   The same advice for drinking it applies though - straight up with a little water on the side.  If you don't care for the taste of it don't drink it, but by all means avoid trying to hide the taste with a mixer.  It generally doesn't work.  In fact the only mixer I've ever found suitable with Scotch is Drambuie and it actually enhances the peat flavor rather than masking it.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on July 09, 2013, 11:23:55 pm
OK, so you don't like it.  That just means there's more for those of us that do.   :cool

You're welcome to it.   ;)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on July 09, 2013, 11:33:52 pm
For some strange reason my Caol Ila 18 is almost empty!  I'll have to suffer through the 12 year version until I can locate another.  The whiskey rating snob/gurus actually rate the 12 higher.  Not so sure, but either is mighty fine.

One of the distinctives of playing with malt whiskys is that some of them have distinct fruit or vegetable signatures.  To me Caol Ila's signature is that of green olives!  Go figure.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on July 09, 2013, 11:59:11 pm
For some strange reason my Caol Ila 18 is almost empty!  I'll have to suffer through the 12 year version until I can locate another.  The whiskey rating snob/gurus actually rate the 12 higher.  Not so sure, but either is mighty fine.

One of the distinctives of playing with malt whiskys is that some of them have distinct fruit or vegetable signatures.  To me Caol Ila's signature is that of green olives!  Go figure.
Yup.  Mine evaporates pretty fast too.    ;)     I can't disagree with your characterization of the olives.  I also find that the 18 is one of the very few single malts that is better neat.  Even a drop of water completely changes its flavor for me.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on July 10, 2013, 12:24:57 pm
Regarding bourbon and/or other American whiskeys (with an "e"), such as Jack Daniels and George Dickel:

I remain a fan of Tennessee sour mash blends like the two named above.  I especially enjoy George Dickel.  If only they made a pure or single malt version.   And yes, moving up the scale, George T. Stagg and Baker's 7 Year Old bourbons are truly amazing.  I'm looking for a single malt Tennessee whiskey to try.  I need to research that.  I'm sure there must be some small batch versions of that.  Perhaps Corsair Artisan's Single Malt might come close, if I can find it.

To the point (and perhaps useless trivial detail):  There is an interesting and not generally known incestuous relationship between the American whiskey industry and the single malts of Scotland.  It's about the barrels and the aging process.  Not only do the same parent companies now own most of the American and Scottish distilleries, but they share resources in an interesting way, going back to far earlier than common corporate ownership.

A long time ago the Scots figured out that their single malts aged best in a certain type of white oak barrels from a very narrow geographic region in the American Ozarks in southern Missouri.  They also figured out that the best single malt flavors came from those same American oak barrels that had been previously used to age bourbon or Tennessee whiskey.   What emerged is a reverse lend-lease program.  The Scots, then and now buy the oak and have the barrels made and the inside charred (an important element in flavor), all here in the U.S.  They then lend, lease, rent or otherwise permit the American bourbon industry to age American whiskey in those barrels.   

Then those very same once used barrels get shipped to Scotland where they are used to age single malt whisky.  For example, Glenmorangie uses barrels that have first held Jack Daniels!  So, if the 10 year old Glenmorangie reminds one of what a single malt JD would taste like without the grain whiskey blended into the JD before bottling, there is a reason! 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on July 10, 2013, 02:18:10 pm
Speaking of which, Gentleman Jack isn't bad stuff, either.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on July 10, 2013, 09:26:15 pm
Dickel is indeed my favorite Tennessee whiskey.  Always preferred over Jack Daniels for me.  You mention George T. Stagg - I have already gone on record earlier in this thread as saying it is the finest KSBW being produced today.   Nothing else matches it IMHO.   Probably the closest would be Blanton's or Black Maple Hill.   Any of the Buffalo Trace products are completely acceptable but Bulleit is their equal in the mid range bourbons and the Bulleit rye is VERY good.   :thumbup1














Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: louie the lumberjack on July 10, 2013, 11:32:59 pm
I liked Bulleit Rye the one and only time I had it, but for the most part I tend to avoid whiskey in spite of my taste for it.  Why?  Turns out it was my grandfather's favorite meal.... so it has to be a particularly bad day for me to go there.

Besides, I find beer much more interesting, especially once I learned to make my own.  Here's my latest: an amber ale.  This was the first time I tried liquid yeast as well as my first attempt at dry hopping.

(http://i1342.photobucket.com/albums/o772/lbach82/image_zpse1006ca8.jpg) (http://s1342.photobucket.com/user/lbach82/media/image_zpse1006ca8.jpg.html)

louie the lumberjack
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on July 11, 2013, 12:17:13 am
I can sympathize: alcoholism (and adultery) run in my father's side of the family as well.

They both stop with me. I will not pass that along to my son.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on July 11, 2013, 02:54:25 am
I can sympathize: alcoholism (and adultery) run in my father's side of the family as well.

They both stop with me. I will not pass that along to my son.

My father's entire side side of the family was outlaws and various folks of less than stellar reputation. My mother's side is all preachers tho. So I should be even steven right? :D

There has been far too much talk of rye. It makes me wish for some of my cousins canyon run stuff from home.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on July 11, 2013, 09:07:05 am
Last night when I got home from work late and pulled out a beer from the fridge, I noticed that I have Stockholm syndrome when it comes to IPA.  I don't particularly like that flavour it has, but I still drink it.  I even went out of my way to try Arrogant Bastard Ale because of this forum alone.  :hide

And I would also love to try the Laphroaigh.  Surely, it can't be that bad.  If Glenfiddich is exemplary for a Speyside, it's a bit delicate.  Not bad, but at bit delicate.

Last but not least for now, a good bottle of Tequila never disappoints the soul.  Not that Cuervo s___ either.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Coronach on July 11, 2013, 09:27:55 am
There's no shame in not liking IPA. The taste of hops is an acquired one, and IPAs have it in spades. Also, it is not right for some conditions. Like, if I'm hot and thirsty and want something crisp and refreshing, an IPA is the last thing I want.

Have you tried Belgian beer? Get a nice Chimay. They're taaaaasty. And not overly hopped.

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Canthros on July 11, 2013, 09:46:21 am
Laphroiag really does have some iodine in its flavor profile. I find this pleasantly interesting, but YMMV. (I've a bottle of the Quarter-Cask, at the moment.) I find myself liking it a lot, but ... I might be weird. I drink a lot of tea, at times, and my favorites are Pu Erh (described as having a mineral flavor: it tastes like dirt, really) and Lapsang Souchong (smoke, lots and lots of smoke). But that's another thread.

My whiskey drinking is pretty limited and narrow (some bourbons; Johnnie Walker in red, black, green and blue; a couple other scotches; and Jameson), so I can't draw a lot of comparisons, especially to other single-malt scotches.

I'll have to check out the Ardberg. And probably see what I can find airline bottles of the next time I'm at the liquor store. They're overpriced, but much cheaper for experimentation and exploration.

booksmart: the Corsair Triple Smoke is nice, but not very complex. If Laphroiag is "Smoke! iodine! peat!", Triple Smoke is "SMOKE!!!!!" This is fine, but not very complex. :)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on July 11, 2013, 09:59:11 am
 :shrug  When I drink Triple Smoke, I get the different flavors of smoke, while with Laphroiag I just got "PEAT!".

Different smokes for different folks, I reckon.  :cool
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on July 11, 2013, 11:04:35 am
I had an American style hefeweizen day before yesterday from Phoenix Ale, called Fretzy's .   Uncommonly good.  ( and this from a guy who thinks Widmer's is tolerable and doesn't care for hefeweizen generally  :shocked )  If I may also throw in a couple of other observations, FMJ's point about tequila is well taken.  A good 100% blue agave ( sometimes known as the Weber variety ) is a very nice sipping spirit.  My taste runs toward reposado and in some cases anejo as the bite leaves in favor of a lingering smoothness.  Best I ever had was some stuff called El Tesoro de Don Felipe but at nearly $60 a bottle its a bit out of the ballpark unless its a very special occasion.  More likely you'll find a bottle of Sauza Hornitos in my cabinet.  Reposado generally but anejo if I find it on sale.   :thumbup1

The other spirit that gets my attention during hot weather is rum.  Haven't found anything I consistently like better than Pusser's British Navy Rum from Barbados.  Straight up, over ice or mixed it is pretty good stuff.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on July 11, 2013, 12:02:41 pm
Viva Revolucion!  :D
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JackCrow on July 11, 2013, 12:24:34 pm
Mescal....eat the worm!  ;)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on July 11, 2013, 03:06:30 pm
Before we depart Scotland and return to Mexico, I thought I'd bring into the maritime malts discussion that jewel of the Isle of Skye:  Talisker.  The island is formed from volcanic rock.  I'm not sure how that affects the water, the peat or the aging in the barrel, but Talisker is intensely peppery. It is hot

The 10 year old is so much so that it makes the top of my pretty much bald head break out in a sweat!  No other whisky or whiskey has that effect.  The 18 is more well-rounded but still has the pepper up front.  The 18 is incredible, and once again, I favor the Speysides for the most part.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on July 11, 2013, 09:28:47 pm
There's no shame in not liking IPA. The taste of hops is an acquired one, and IPAs have it in spades. Also, it is not right for some conditions. Like, if I'm hot and thirsty and want something crisp and refreshing, an IPA is the last thing I want.

Have you tried Belgian beer? Get a nice Chimay. They're taaaaasty. And not overly hopped.

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The thing is, I kinda like it.  But I don't.  It's Stockholm Syndrome.  :hide

Let me tell you, London IPA tasts completely different than American IPA.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Coronach on July 11, 2013, 09:38:52 pm
Well, yeah. England and Belgium do ales properly. The British Isles pretty much have porter and stout on lockdown, as far as I am concerned. For lagers, you go to the continent. But ales are the province of the British Isles- with a notable exception made for the work of the Belgians, who seem to have been able to blend the rough and blue collar world of ales and lagers with the snooty society of French wine, and come up with something completely unearthly in a bottle.

We Americans may make all sorts of wonderful new stuff, but for the traditional styles we still bow to our ancestors.

Mike

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on July 11, 2013, 10:37:24 pm
Before we depart Scotland and return to Mexico, I thought I'd bring into the maritime malts discussion that jewel of the Isle of Skye:  Talisker.  The island is formed from volcanic rock.  I'm not sure how that affects the water, the peat or the aging in the barrel, but Talisker is intensely peppery. It is hot

The 10 year old is so much so that it makes the top of my pretty much bald head break out in a sweat!  No other whisky or whiskey has that effect.  The 18 is more well-rounded but still has the pepper up front.  The 18 is incredible, and once again, I favor the Speysides for the most part.
Talisker indeed.   :cool     The "Rusty Nail" was made with that exact 10 year old as its inspiration.    The warming effect is why I avoid Scotch whisky almost entirely during the summer.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on July 28, 2013, 12:33:01 am
I was surprised by a friend who gave me a bottle of "Russian standard platinum" vodka as a gift, I don't really drink but its really good. I was curious what other vodkas rank high on your list? I have seen grey goose mentioned previously, but what are some others?

Also if one were to venture into the "finer" whiskey's what would be a good start? I think the nicest I have had was Johnny Walker red and it was fine. With the limited knowledge I have now, I am deciding between gentleman jack or or a different JW (perhaps blue).
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: strangelittleman on July 28, 2013, 01:45:43 am
Vodka? Sobieski.
Whiskey (Burbon)? Buffalo Trace, Jim Beam Black.
Whiskey? Johnnie Walker Black.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on July 28, 2013, 03:19:35 am
Grey Goose and Russian Standard are what I drink.

I drink more Grey Goose because that's what we have.  We somehow always end up with a big bottle we get free every year, lol.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on July 28, 2013, 11:48:35 pm
There are so many different brands and types of vodka, I have no idea how anyone can keep track of them.  Personally, I don't care for the stuff - tastes like lighter fluid to me.   :shrug   Maybe that's why there is such a dizzying array of flavored vodkas.   My wife drinks Grey Goose, another French vodka called Summum and occasionally Ketel One from Holland.   

I was surprised by a friend who gave me a bottle of "Russian standard platinum" vodka as a gift, I don't really drink but its really good. I was curious what other vodkas rank high on your list? I have seen grey goose mentioned previously, but what are some others?

Also if one were to venture into the "finer" whiskey's what would be a good start? I think the nicest I have had was Johnny Walker red and it was fine. With the limited knowledge I have now, I am deciding between gentleman jack or or a different JW (perhaps blue).

If by "finer" you mean better quality ( ie: better ingredients, aged longer, etc. ) there are lots of choices.  If you are fond of Scotch just about anything mentioned on the last page of this thread qualifies.   When most folks step up from the blended stuff to a single malt they usually go for a 10 year old Speyside.  That's a nice step up in quality without having to take out a second mortgage on the house.   They are generally smooth, well balanced spirits suitable for drinking straight or with a little water.  Some examples are  Balvenie, Cragganmore, The Glenlivet, Glen Moray and Speyburn.   

American spirits cover a wide variety.  Two of the most popular are Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey ( KSBW )  and Tennessee Sour Mash Whiskey.  They are pretty close in terms of quality and the way they taste to most folks.   You can be drinking pretty good liquor in either of those categories for $30.00 a bottle or less.   Some bourbons you might want to try are Bulleit , Buffalo Trace ,  Henry McKenna or Knob Creek and in the Tennessee category Jack Daniels is world famous but I think George Dickel does it better.

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on July 29, 2013, 06:02:25 pm
. . . If you are fond of Scotch just about anything mentioned on the last page of this thread qualifies.   When most folks step up from the blended stuff to a single malt they usually go for a 10 year old Speyside.  That's a nice step up in quality without having to take out a second mortgage on the house.   They are generally smooth, well balanced spirits suitable for drinking straight or with a little water.  Some examples are  Balvenie, Cragganmore, The Glenlivet, Glen Moray and Speyburn.   

. . . and in the Tennessee category Jack Daniels is world famous but I think George Dickel does it better.

Well said.   JW Blue is outrageously expensive.  I personally fail to recognize its perceived quality beyond the much more affordable JW Black, as far as good blends go.   :-[

But, please, try one of the single malts recommended above.  I'd add two more options for the beginner:   Glenmorangie Original and Highland Park 12.  I usually recommend these two for those who have never tried single malts before.  They may be more widely available than some on Coelcanth's short list above, except that Balvenie's DoubleWood is a nice expression of that distillery that is widely available, and of course The Glenlivet.

Usually when asked by someone that has never tasted single malt, beyond perhaps the very ordinary Glenfiddich 12, I recommend Highland Park 12.  It has everything going for it, but in subtle ways.   It's like a good Speyside but with just a touch of maritime and a bit more smoke.   The so called "experts" typically rate it as the best "all arounder."   Ask a Scot what he or she drinks at home, however, and the answer is likely to be Glenmorangie Original and NOT any blend.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Canthros on July 29, 2013, 06:20:34 pm
JW Blue is a lot (a lot) smoother than the Red or Black. I think I prefer the Green, though (more interesting, IMHO), and I hear the Gold is better.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on July 29, 2013, 07:10:50 pm
JW Blue is a lot (a lot) smoother than the Red or Black. I think I prefer the Green, though (more interesting, IMHO), and I hear the Gold is better.

Green is very interesting.  It's a vatted malt.  Which means it is a blend of several individual single malts -- no grain alcohol added as in commercial blends.  It is comprised of four individual single malts, bottled at 15 years.  The current line up is Cragganmore from the heart of Speyside, Caol Isla from Islay, Talisker from Skye and Linkwood from the lower Speyside closer to the mouth of the Spey and the North Sea.  I love it, but do not recommend it to newcomers.  Sort of a sensory overload.

The JW parent company, Diagio, owns a huge number of the famous single malt distilleries, over 20, if memory serves me right.  Whisky making in Scotland is a very closed society with all but a few of the distilleries owned by huge conglomerates who work like cartels in deciding which distilleries operate in which years, which batches to release as single malts, which to hold back, which to use for blending, and how much to put on the market at any given time.   They control supply and minimize competition both from product and pricing.  At any given time there are only about 50 distilleries in production, almost all of which are owned by three companies who very carefully coordinate what they do.  They'll deny it, but I know it to be true (a story for another day).
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on July 29, 2013, 08:55:03 pm
Green is very interesting.  It's a vatted malt.  Which means it is a blend of several individual single malts -- no grain alcohol added as in commercial blends.  It is comprised of four individual single malts, bottled at 15 years.  The current line up is Cragganmore from the heart of Speyside, Caol Isla from Islay, Talisker from Skye and Linkwood from the lower Speyside closer to the mouth of the Spey and the North Sea.  I love it, but do not recommend it to newcomers.  Sort of a sensory overload.

The JW parent company, Diagio, owns a huge number of the famous single malt distilleries, over 20, if memory serves me right.  Whisky making in Scotland is a very closed society with all but a few of the distilleries owned by huge conglomerates who work like cartels in deciding which distilleries operate in which years, which batches to release as single malts, which to hold back, which to use for blending, and how much to put on the market at any given time.   They control supply and minimize competition both from product and pricing.  At any given time there are only about 50 distilleries in production, almost all of which are owned by three companies who very carefully coordinate what they do.  They'll deny it, but I know it to be true (a story for another day).

I may not know the difference between a single malt or Tennessee mash, etc :hide. But the story you described sounds very interesting. One day you should tell it  :cool. In fact that's kind of why I posted here. It seems like there are quite a few people here with well seasoned taste, I'll make sure to get a "proper" start  >:D.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on July 29, 2013, 10:13:11 pm
Has anyone here had Moab Brewery Scottish Ale?  I'm looking to find here in AZ. I'm hoping Bevmo or Total Wine has it.


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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: louie the lumberjack on July 29, 2013, 10:41:47 pm
Has anyone here had Moab Brewery Scottish Ale?  I'm looking to find here in AZ. I'm hoping Bevmo or Total Wine has it.

I believe it's a 90 Schilling.  Its not bad but nothing to write home about, and I prefer Four Peaks Kiltliffter to it.  Thought the latter may be more because I cannot find it in CO.  Couldn't tell you where exactly to find it back home but I've had good luck picking up hard to find labels at Tops in Tempe.

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Grant on July 29, 2013, 10:45:26 pm
 One thing that's funny: Is certain alcohol a regional thing?  I've looked for the various Johnny Walker's around here and it's dang tough to find.  Gotta go about 150 miles to the regions "big" city to find any.   I ain't tried it but want to.

   
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on July 29, 2013, 10:50:50 pm
Nah it's not 90 Shillings. Here's the link and thanks for the tip about the store. I'll definitely go there.

http://www.themoabbrewery.com/select.html


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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: louie the lumberjack on July 29, 2013, 11:07:37 pm
Nah it's not 90 Shillings.

 :confused Now I have to drive to Castle Rock to see if they still have it. Most of what I buy are bombers.

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Outbreak on July 29, 2013, 11:17:17 pm
Lately, it's been Shiner Ruby Redbird (similar to Summer Shandy). Tonight, however, I supplied a 12-pack of Shiner Bock (it was cold at the store, Ruby Redbird was not) for the softball game, and oddly, I ended up bringing some home. So time to finish it off. :cheers
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on July 30, 2013, 02:00:57 am
Well said.   JW Blue is outrageously expensive.  I personally fail to recognize its perceived quality beyond the much more affordable JW Black, as far as good blends go.   :-[

But, please, try one of the single malts recommended above.  I'd add two more options for the beginner:   Glenmorangie Original and Highland Park 12.  I usually recommend these two for those who have never tried single malts before.  They may be more widely available than some on Coelcanth's short list above, except that Balvenie's DoubleWood is a nice expression of that distillery that is widely available, and of course The Glenlivet.

Usually when asked by someone that has never tasted single malt, beyond perhaps the very ordinary Glenfiddich 12, I recommend Highland Park 12.  It has everything going for it, but in subtle ways.   It's like a good Speyside but with just a touch of maritime and a bit more smoke.   The so called "experts" typically rate it as the best "all arounder."   Ask a Scot what he or she drinks at home, however, and the answer is likely to be Glenmorangie Original and NOT any blend.
No argument from me on Highland Park.  It is always on the short list.  I actually prefer the Balvenie 10yo to the DoubleWood but there's no accounting for taste.   :cool   Glenmorangie is also excellent but is actually not a Speyside but a highland malt as I recall.  I was keeping the list to Speyside's for purposes of simplicity.  They are generally easier to find in stores with limited selection and for the beginner the whole snooty aspect of the single malt afficionado can be a little bewildering and sometimes downright irritating.  To a man who just wants a drink of good whisky anything previously listed will do until he gets his own experience to guide him. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on August 02, 2013, 02:33:52 pm
Something interesting I just picked up.  Balcones Single Malt Whisky.  Haven't tried it yet.  Cask strength - 53% by volume.  Single barrel production.  No age stated.  Waco Texas.  Go figure.   Nice to see something good come out of Waco.

Will report impressions after tasting a dram or two.

http://www.balconesdistilling.com/singlemalt (http://www.balconesdistilling.com/singlemalt)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on August 02, 2013, 05:02:10 pm
Something interesting I just picked up.  Balcones Single Malt Whisky.  Haven't tried it yet.  Cask strength - 53% by volume.  Single barrel production.  No age stated.  Waco Texas.  Go figure.   Nice to see something good come out of Waco.

Will report impressions after tasting a dram or two.

http://www.balconesdistilling.com/singlemalt (http://www.balconesdistilling.com/singlemalt)

Waco you say?!?  :hmm. Be sure to tell if it's worth picking up  >:D.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on August 02, 2013, 11:43:55 pm
I had "Black Butte" Porter today.  It's from Oregon.

I am pleased with it.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on August 03, 2013, 12:12:41 am
Regardless of what your FB friend thought about the Pale Ale Deschutes makes good beer.


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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on August 03, 2013, 01:05:16 am
I trust your tastes in beer (and dogs) better anyway, CF97.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on August 03, 2013, 03:40:13 am
Sweet


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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on August 03, 2013, 10:23:30 pm
Waco you say?!?  :hmm. Be sure to tell if it's worth picking up  >:D.

Figure it would taste a little smoky

:rimshot
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on August 03, 2013, 10:37:38 pm
Figure it would taste a little smoky

:rimshot

Not cool  :shocked.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on August 03, 2013, 11:10:01 pm
What? Too soon?  :D
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Gunnguy on August 04, 2013, 08:04:17 pm
Once asked someone in my family that made moonshine how old was the last batch he had made.
He said they'd just got through cutting the cord and spanking it.
 :shocked
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on August 04, 2013, 09:22:06 pm
Yup.  They usually wait 'til the still quits running before they drink it but that's just so they don't waste any.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on August 04, 2013, 10:06:08 pm

Once asked someone in my family that made moonshine how old was the last batch he had made.
He said they'd just got through cutting the cord and spanking it.
 :shocked

Reminds me of the old TV show, AlieNation, where the alien species gets drunk off spoiled milk.

James Caan's character takes a swig, belches, and says "Mmm, that was a good week."
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on August 06, 2013, 03:29:52 am
I had another Deschutes Porter with my dinner which was beef burgundy.

Later on when I shot the s___ with my buddy, I tried a Lagunitas Imperial Stout.  IDK if it was just me or whatever but this beautiful dark stout tasted a lot like Arrogant Bastard Ale which happens to taste very much like Lagunitas IPA for some reason.  Then again the IP is from Lagunitas.  Maybe this brewery just likes hopping up all of their beers.

I am a little curious about their "Pils" pilsner offering.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on August 06, 2013, 09:29:17 am
Something interesting I just picked up.  Balcones Single Malt Whisky.  Haven't tried it yet.  Cask strength - 53% by volume.  Single barrel production.  No age stated.  Waco Texas.  Go figure.   Nice to see something good come out of Waco.

Will report impressions after tasting a dram or two.

http://www.balconesdistilling.com/singlemalt (http://www.balconesdistilling.com/singlemalt)

Spent a little time with this malt this weekend.  It is nice.  Being cask strength, it needs a bit more water to overcome the alcohol and release the flavored.  Also benefits from time in the glass to open up a bit more. Predominant theme is the barley cereal malt, with vanilla and some licorice.  It is very firm and dry.  Lacks a certain sweetness that would make it more well-rounded.

Aged in bourbon barrels only, as far as I can tell, so no sherry flavors.

No maritime character, nor could there honestly be.  Smoke is light, which is somewhat surprising.

In all, it is a nice, above average middleweight.  Nice, but neither distinctive nor exceptional.

The US simply lacks the terroir to make real Scottish style single-malt.

Yet, it does have a certain character.  I think future bottlings from this distillery will be better when they have enough stock aging to release age stated 12-15 year olds.  A good start.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on August 07, 2013, 12:50:11 am
Thanks for the write-up.  Several countries produce a reasonable analog for single malt Scotch whisky.  Germany and Japan come to mind and now the U.S.A. as well.  I'm not sure I agree with your contention about the terroir.  I've been to several places in the west and Midwest that could easily be mistaken for Scotland.  The landforms are similar as is the mineral content of the soil.  Water is less important as it can conform to a recipe as needed.  Evidence of this can be seen in some of the very good varietal wines being produced all over the U.S.A. from European root stock.    And, for the record, sherry wood aging is overrated.  It works fine for sherry - not so much for other things.   imho.   
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Raptor on August 21, 2013, 11:43:47 pm
We just started carrying Weihenstephaner Hefe Weissbier at my store. I'm given to understand that it tastes very similar to the Edelweiss beer I liked back when I was in Salzburg, and it was on a special introductory sale. It was my day off today, so I stopped at the store (it's on the way back from the range) and picked up a six-pack. Haven't tried it yet, but I'll let y'all know what I think.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: strangelittleman on August 22, 2013, 10:36:18 am
Something interesting I just picked up.  Balcones Single Malt Whisky.  Haven't tried it yet.  Cask strength - 53% by volume.  Single barrel production.  No age stated.  Waco Texas.  Go figure.   Nice to see something good come out of Waco.

Will report impressions after tasting a dram or two.

http://www.balconesdistilling.com/singlemalt (http://www.balconesdistilling.com/singlemalt)
I just read in the July issue of Reader's Digest where this Texas Whiskey just won the "Best in Glass" award in the annual int'l whiskey comp. It's the first time a US whiskey has beat an Irish or Canadian Whiskey for this award.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on August 22, 2013, 11:14:37 am
^ Yes.  Here:

http://caskstrength.blogspot.com/2012/12/best-in-glass-award-2012-winning-whisky.html?m=1 (http://caskstrength.blogspot.com/2012/12/best-in-glass-award-2012-winning-whisky.html?m=1)

The eligibility criteria is very narrow.  Only new releases are considered.

Even so, it came out on top.  Good news for American whisky (without the e).

Probably would not score as will against the best top flight established single malt offerings, but this is a great start.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on August 22, 2013, 11:09:13 pm
Makers Mark vs Bulleit Bourbon

which one would you take if you had the chance to pick one?

I might get some for my birthday soon.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JesseL on August 22, 2013, 11:19:02 pm
Maker's Mark is a little sweeter. Bulleit Bourbon has a bit more rye in the mash so it's got that rye heat to it.

I think I'd take the Maker's Mark for mixing and the Bulleit for enjoying by itself. That's just me though.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on August 22, 2013, 11:55:22 pm
I drink my stuff neat, so Bulleit it is.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: strangelittleman on August 22, 2013, 11:56:33 pm
Don't overlook Buffalo Trace Bourbon!
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on August 22, 2013, 11:58:04 pm
Maker's Mark is a little sweeter. Bulleit Bourbon has a bit more rye in the mash so it's got that rye heat to it.

I think I'd take the Maker's Mark for mixing and the Bulleit for enjoying by itself. That's just me though.
I'd second that.    :cool      Either one makes a pretty good sippin' whisky but I think the edge would go to Bulleit for me.   
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on August 23, 2013, 01:27:05 am
The bottle I pick would be like a gift.

What I am going to buy with my own money is some Laphroaig. I've been wanting to try some of that Islay for a while. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on August 23, 2013, 07:43:22 am
The bottle I pick would be like a gift.

What I am going to buy with my own money is some Laphroaig. I've been wanting to try some of that Islay for a while.

You will love it or hate it.  There is no in between.  For some, the love comes with time, so be prepared to hate.  If so, come back to it later.  It will grow on you.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on August 24, 2013, 02:37:55 am
Its sort of like getting slapped by your hot girlfriend.  Its surprising and you're not entirely sure you like it but you're intrigued by the possibilities.   :cool
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on August 24, 2013, 03:28:28 am
Its sort of like getting slapped by your hot girlfriend.  Its surprising and you're not entirely sure you like it but you're intrigued by the possibilities.   :cool

Would she have red hair?

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on August 24, 2013, 03:44:18 am
Don't ask me - she's your girlfriend.   It's entirely possible though considering we are discussing Islay.    :cool
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on August 24, 2013, 01:35:45 pm

Would she have red hair?

She can have whatever color hair you want.


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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on August 24, 2013, 01:39:47 pm
Would she have red hair?

Don't ask me - she's your girlfriend.   It's entirely possible though considering we are discussing Islay.    :cool

 :facepalm
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Raptor on August 27, 2013, 07:54:30 pm
Finally got around to trying the Weihenstephaner Hefe Weissbeir I bought last week.

Very good. Not bitter at all. In fact, I daresay it's a little on the sweet side. Not as good as the Edelwiess I had in Austria (or at least not as good as I remember it being), but still surprisingly tasty. I still wish I could find Edelweiss around here, but this stuff will make a more than adequate substitute.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Gunnguy on August 27, 2013, 09:32:37 pm
Try the local brewery we have here, http://www.madbrew.com/, (http://www.madbrew.com/,) pretty good selection and come highly recommended.
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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on August 27, 2013, 11:15:55 pm
Finally got around to trying the Weihenstephaner Hefe Weissbeir I bought last week.

Very good. Not bitter at all. In fact, I daresay it's a little on the sweet side. Not as good as the Edelwiess I had in Austria (or at least not as good as I remember it being), but still surprisingly tasty. I still wish I could find Edelweiss around here, but this stuff will make a more than adequate substitute.


I wish I could like Hefeweizen.

:/



I tried a Mexican beer called "Indio" today. It was a very nice dark lager not unlike Negra, perhaps a bit more full. Also see Bohemia for a similar one...
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on August 30, 2013, 03:02:08 am
Locally brewed in SF.

It's not even funny to see how many craft breweries we have in this state.

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mikee5star on August 30, 2013, 10:59:42 pm
Thanks for the great beer recommendation.  Was out to dinner for the anniversary a couple of weeks ago and got to try Moose Drool for the first time.  It is a great beer.  I had forgotten how much I like brown ale.  I also had a Kilt Lifter, great flavor, but a bit hoppy for my tastes.  With being on call all the time, I cannot remember the last time I had two beers in one day. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on September 02, 2013, 12:29:05 am
Thanks for the great beer recommendation.  Was out to dinner for the anniversary a couple of weeks ago and got to try Moose Drool for the first time.  It is a great beer.  I had forgotten how much I like brown ale.  I also had a Kilt Lifter, great flavor, but a bit hoppy for my tastes.  With being on call all the time, I cannot remember the last time I had two beers in one day. 

If you're fond of Kiltlifter, try the 8th St. Ale .  A little smoother, a little heavier and less hoppy.  Its my personal favorite of all their beers.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: mwcoleburn on September 02, 2013, 12:40:53 am
I enjoyed some Sam Adams Cream Stout, decent stuff.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mikee5star on September 02, 2013, 02:16:50 am
Well I am back home and if I want a drink, I have to make it.  As in brew it.  My closest liquor store is 35 miles away by plane or 4 wheeler, open one hour a day, and sells mostly Bud and Lite Ice. 
 A buddy brought me a coffee stout he made that was excellent.  He gave me his old Mr. Beer kit, and bought a real brewing set up.  I have used the Mr. Beer kit with some success.  When I was drinking more I was fond of Molson Canadian on tap.
I have passed on three opportunities to go on the brewery tour for Alaskan breweries.  I do like their Amber, and the smoked Porter is an experience.   I knew a lady that poured it over ice cream.  Oh well it takes all kinds. 
I have a fondness for the traditional American beverage Cider.  Who makes a great tart cider?  I have tried a few different ones and WoodPecker is my favorite so far.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on September 06, 2013, 01:12:41 am
Beers I tried this week:

Boatswain Chocolate Stout---coffee notes all over the place.  Not bad for the price of the imperial pint at Trader Joes.

Old Rasputin Imperial Stout----finally, an Imperial stout I can agree on!  Good alcohol content and nice bitter finish.  It's more intense like the way espresso is as compared to regular coffee.

Kostritzer Schwarzbier---Had a pint tonight.  Very good black lager.  It's a weird way to describe it, but it made me think of like an aged and mellow bock.  My bottle held its head decently, but the one my friend poured, not so much.  IDK if it's due to how he poured it into the glass.  The finish was not unlike Paulaner Salvator.  I think that's the case due to the malt.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JesseL on September 06, 2013, 09:17:08 pm
Every once in a while I become a total sucker for cool packaging. Here's hoping it tastes as awesome add its label.

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Coronach on September 06, 2013, 09:22:16 pm
Old Rasputin is some righteous stuff.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on September 07, 2013, 12:16:25 am
Old Rasputin is some righteous stuff.

The hell it is.  I found a place across the street from my current place of work that has it on tap.


IPA made it past the CA border?  In CA, IPA is like AR-15 in that it's all over the place.  At least we can buy high capacity growlers.

And speaking of, I had one today that was very good.  It was Ballast Point Brewing Co out of San Diego.  I tried their Sculpin IPA.  Thus far this is in my current top three American IPAs.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: louie the lumberjack on September 07, 2013, 10:45:42 pm
Colorado is the same way, beer of all types are everywhere and limited you want something from out of state.  One of the few things I will miss when I move back to AZ.  What I've been drinking of late:

Elysian "Night Owl."  Out of WA. It's a pumpkin ale, since apparently fall comes in early sept when its still 90 degrees out.  Nonetheless it has a heavy but smooth maltiness that is balanced out by heavy spices. Not the best one I've had but still very good.  They are known more for their IPA varieties, such as one with Jasmine and if you can still find it, their 12 beers of the apocalypse series (commemorating 12/21/12).  I'm trying once with rosemary and agave tomorrow.

Epic Brewing Co (seriously).  They're out of SLC, UT and you can tell they are still new since they are selling bombers for cheap to get you hooked and then they'll jack up the price.  I stocked up. First their Brainless Golden Ale is a Trappist and while I normally don't like craft brewers take on what is traditionally made in a Belgian monastery, I was pleasantly surprised.  This convinced me to try their other offerings.  Such as their Hop syndrome lager, a hoppy pilsner (meh), 825 State Stout (dry, Irish style, much better) and finally the Brainless IPA.  Which if you happen to come across it and pass I won't say that you're wrong, but you certainly aren't right.  ;)

Old Rasputin is some righteous stuff.

Yikes. I had it once during a "stout phase."  I'll drink it to avoid being seen as rude if its offered, otherwise I'll pass.

louie the lumberjack
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Coronach on September 08, 2013, 01:06:09 am
Try it on tap. It is Of The Good.

Mike

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on September 09, 2013, 11:27:21 pm
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Beer of the Day.  Tried it for the first time and I really liked it.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Raptor on September 10, 2013, 12:04:18 am
Told ya it was good!  ;)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on September 10, 2013, 12:39:40 am
I love how they mention Reinheitsgebot on the bottle directly.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on September 17, 2013, 01:50:45 am
Leinenkugel's Deep Eddy Imperial Stout. Pretty dang good.

(And yes, I put it in the Star Wars glass on purpose)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on September 17, 2013, 08:58:07 am
The power of the Dork Dark Side...   :cool   :thumbup1
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on September 17, 2013, 07:56:21 pm
The power of the Dork Dark Side...   :cool   :thumbup1

Leine's micro/craft division has been impressing me lately. The Vanilla porter they put out last year was tasty. I hope this trend continues with Miller/Coors allowing the brewmasters to experiment.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on September 18, 2013, 01:31:17 am
The Belgians really don't screw around.

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This is Prior 8, IIRC, it was a doppel



Also, as of today, I officially proclaim Trumer Pils to be my lawnmower beer of choice.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on October 19, 2013, 02:16:49 am
It has been a while since the discussion of different whisky's has caught my interest on here. Since then, I have had fun trying a few different things.

Upon recommendation I purchased a bottle of the speyburn 10 and I am down half a bottle. I found this to be a great recommendation and while I have an uneducated palate and few things to compare it to, I certainly noticed fruity notes at the forefront. For me mainly pear with citrus fruits in the background (orange and lemon?). I have also tried:

The Glenlivet (10 yr?)- delicious and very similar to the speyburn.

Dewars white label- It wasn't bad, but compared to the speyburn....It left more to be desired. It had a brief arrival and an illusion of more flavors to come, but then disappeared on me.

Last one. Ok not a scotch, but I tried Canadian Mist- meh, not for me.

I guess from here I will have to expand upon my tastes. I have found mellow and fruity to be most enjoyable, now to discover what the other flavorings are like (smoky, peaty, etc).
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Coronach on October 19, 2013, 07:05:12 am
The Belgians really don't screw around.
They do not. I'm an Englishman at heart, but I will admit that the Belgians have forgotten more than most of the world ever knew about how to make beer. A great blend of French winemaking fastidiousness, German beer enthusiasm (with little of their regard for rules), and British "aww, screw it mate, let's DRINK".

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on October 20, 2013, 03:39:30 am
They do not. I'm an Englishman at heart, but I will admit that the Belgians have forgotten more than most of the world ever knew about how to make beer. A great blend of French winemaking fastidiousness, German beer enthusiasm (with little of their regard for rules), and British "aww, screw it mate, let's DRINK".

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Since I last posted here, I have fallen in love with saison (Belgian Farmhouse Ale).  I tried some made by Greenflash out of San Diego and it was the bomb! 


Tonight I had some Rogue Chocolate Stout and it has to be the best choco stout I've had.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on October 20, 2013, 04:13:04 am
Pipeline Porter by Kona Brewery made with coffee. Oh boy!


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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Grant on October 20, 2013, 08:32:39 am
  I'm sorta still trying "generic" or "normal" stuff (and specialties are hard to find around here).

Tried some tequila for the first time the other night.....holy crap....I don't drink a LOT but I've drank a fair bit and never gotten tipsy.

Tequila screws you up pretty fast. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on October 20, 2013, 09:51:41 am
A computer lets you make more mistakes faster then any other invention with the possible exceptions of handguns and Tequila
-Mitch Ratcliffe


Seemed appropriate... :coffee
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Coronach on October 20, 2013, 10:34:55 am
Since I last posted here, I have fallen in love with saison (Belgian Farmhouse Ale).  I tried some made by Greenflash out of San Diego and it was the bomb! 


Tonight I had some Rogue Chocolate Stout and it has to be the best choco stout I've had.
I'm a big Saison fan, too. Complex, bold flavor, a lot of variation. Good stuff!

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on October 20, 2013, 12:03:56 pm
Mike, I got excited because I saw they were selling bottles of Saison Dupont at my local grocery store. According to Beer Advocate and other sources, this is supposed to be the original bottled Farmhouse Ale, or like the Colt 6920 of Saisons.

The only reason I haven't bought it yet is because I have so much beer at the house already and I need to drink that first.  :hide


Grant, what kind of tequila did you have?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Coronach on October 20, 2013, 02:32:51 pm
I've had Saison Dupont. It's decent. Ovila out of California (a special project of Sierra Nevada) is great too. There's a local brewer to me, too, that makes an absoluetly kick-butt saison (Rockmill Brewery). It's all good.

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on October 20, 2013, 06:33:46 pm
I've only had Greenflash's Little Freak on tap.  I need to amplify my Saison "directory."
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on October 20, 2013, 06:38:49 pm
It has been a while since the discussion of different whisky's has caught my interest on here. Since then, I have had fun trying a few different things.

Upon recommendation I purchased a bottle of the speyburn 10 and I am down half a bottle. I found this to be a great recommendation and while I have an uneducated palate and few things to compare it to, I certainly noticed fruity notes at the forefront. For me mainly pear with citrus fruits in the background (orange and lemon?). I have also tried:

The Glenlivet (10 yr?)- delicious and very similar to the speyburn.

Dewars white label- It wasn't bad, but compared to the speyburn....It left more to be desired. It had a brief arrival and an illusion of more flavors to come, but then disappeared on me.

Last one. Ok not a scotch, but I tried Canadian Mist- meh, not for me.

I guess from here I will have to expand upon my tastes. I have found mellow and fruity to be most enjoyable, now to discover what the other flavorings are like (smoky, peaty, etc).
Glad to hear you enjoyed the Speyburn.  Its a very passable Speyside single malt that won't cost you an arm and a leg to try.  If you like that style ( Speyside ) there are many to choose from and the highland style single malts are likely to please you as well.  They are frequently lighter and more delicately flavored than the island styles.  The Dalmore, Balvenie ( 10 y.o. ), Glen Moray, Oban and several others would likely suit your taste if you favor Scotch whisky.  If you favor something similar without the smokiness of the peat the lightest I know is J&B blended which has even less peatiness than Dewar's or you could venture into the Irish spirits with something like Jameson's or Bushmill's or Kilbeggan.   They give you flavor without the lingering peatiness of their Scottish brethren. 

If your sense of adventure runs toward a more in your face expression of the malt then by all means, head for the islands.  Laphroaig is advertised as "the most richly flavoured .  .  . " and with good reason.   Bowmore is from the same island and while not quite up to the standards of Laphroaig is pretty good in its own right.  Others I could recommend are Caol Isla, Lagavulin, Talisker and Isle of Jura.   These are cold weather spirits - its still too hot here in Phoenix for me to drink any of these without breaking a sweat but as we get on toward winter I'll break out the smokey goodness. 

For now I'm saving up my beer money for a case of Samuel Smith's Winter Welcome ale.  Still the finest beer on the planet IMHO.  (.  .  .  and that's when the fight started .  .  . )   :cool
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: ksuguy on October 20, 2013, 07:15:06 pm
My cousin is opening a distillery here in Wichita.   They started production a couple weeks ago, but they can't start sales until the government approves their bottle labels.    It will probably be another month or two before that happens.   I'll let you guys know when you can try some.   
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on October 20, 2013, 08:36:52 pm
Thanks Coelacanth, your recommendations are greatly appreciated. If most speysides are like the glenlivet and the speyburn I tried, I can assure you I will like the other speysides (thanks for recommending more options in this category). I think for now, however I will venture into something different. I believe once I get a little money, I might try Caol isla as I have heard good things about it and have seen it locally. I suppose later I will get to the more smoky or peaty drinks.

Where would you place the flavor of Dewars white label? I know it is blended and not single malt, but compared to the speyburn it was very difficult to place anything.....maybe the speyburn by comparison spoiled me?  :shrug

For now I'm saving up my beer money for a case of Samuel Smith's Winter Welcome ale.  Still the finest beer on the planet IMHO.  (.  .  .  and that's when the fight started .  .  . )   :cool

Also ^ :rotfl
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on October 20, 2013, 09:52:09 pm
Its hard to categorize Dewar's .   As a blend they have a recipe of various single malts and neutral grain spirits that go into it and they doubtless hold very close to that but there is simply going to be some variance between bottles.  That is the nature of anything that requires various ingredients - especially agricultural commodities like grain.   All blends are like this to a degree but it seems to me that the Dewar's recipe may be more prone to noticeable variation than some of the others.  The flavor of Dewar's has some of the fruitiness of the Speyside and some of the smoke ( very little actually ) of the islands but it just lacks the depth of character found in single malts.   Blended spirits are their own thing and comparing them to single malts is a bit like comparing applesauce to apples.  My favorites in the realm of blends are Johnnie Walker Black, Johnnie Walker Red, J&B Rare, and Dewar's - in that order.   They're all decent in a glass over ice which is what they were designed for - especially the ones mass marketed to Americans.   Neat is another story entirely.  That's where the single malts come into their own.

Caol Isla is very good but in my experience allergic to water.  Even one drop can alter its character noticeably and generally not for the better.

Laphroaig ten year old is a big brash spirit that is good neat or with however much water one needs to be comfortable with it and although it loses some of its character when diluted it doesn't suffer the same effects as Caol Isla.

Lagavulin is marvelous.  A deep richness plays out into a long finish.  Very civilized.

Talisker from Skye is one of my favorites.  A smoky, salty, wonder that smells faintly of iodine and tastes like Scottish heaven, neat or with a drop or two of water.  It is also the basis for the best "rusty nail"  ever in case you ever have access to a supply of glacier ice.

Which brings me to Highland Park.   Others before me have hailed it as the best balanced of all the single malts.   In truth, I cannot argue the point.   There are many single malts I have never tasted but of the ones I have, Highland Park is arguably the best balanced in all aspects.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on October 20, 2013, 10:31:04 pm
Its hard to categorize Dewar's .   As a blend they have a recipe of various single malts and neutral grain spirits that go into it and they doubtless hold very close to that but there is simply going to be some variance between bottles.  That is the nature of anything that requires various ingredients - especially agricultural commodities like grain.   All blends are like this to a degree but it seems to me that the Dewar's recipe may be more prone to noticeable variation than some of the others.  The flavor of Dewar's has some of the fruitiness of the Speyside and some of the smoke ( very little actually ) of the islands but it just lacks the depth of character found in single malts.   Blended spirits are their own thing and comparing them to single malts is a bit like comparing applesauce to apples.  My favorites in the realm of blends are Johnnie Walker Black, Johnnie Walker Red, J&B Rare, and Dewar's - in that order.   They're all decent in a glass over ice which is what they were designed for - especially the ones mass marketed to Americans.   Neat is another story entirely.  That's where the single malts come into their own.

Caol Isla is very good but in my experience allergic to water.  Even one drop can alter its character noticeably and generally not for the better.

Laphroaig ten year old is a big brash spirit that is good neat or with however much water one needs to be comfortable with it and although it loses some of its character when diluted it doesn't suffer the same effects as Caol Isla.

Lagavulin is marvelous.  A deep richness plays out into a long finish.  Very civilized.

Talisker from Skye is one of my favorites.  A smoky, salty, wonder that smells faintly of iodine and tastes like Scottish heaven, neat or with a drop or two of water.  It is also the basis for the best "rusty nail"  ever in case you ever have access to a supply of glacier ice.

Which brings me to Highland Park.   Others before me have hailed it as the best balanced of all the single malts.   In truth, I cannot argue the point.   There are many single malts I have never tasted but of the ones I have, Highland Park is arguably the best balanced in all aspects.

Hmm that is a very interesting and important point you bring up about Caol Isla (I wonder if it is not cask strength). If given the preference, I usually opt for a drop of water with my whisky as opposed to neat. I may have to reconsider my choice. :hmm decisions, decisions.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on October 20, 2013, 10:36:40 pm
I believe the bottle in question ( its been a few years  :hmm ) was the 16 year old and came home with me duty free from the U.K. .   Make no mistake, it is a very good whisky just a bit fussy about water.  Neat was definitely the way to go with that one.   Perhaps something a little younger from that distillery would be more forgiving.   
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on October 21, 2013, 08:56:36 am
I believe the bottle in question ( its been a few years  :hmm ) was the 16 year old and came home with me duty free from the U.K. .   Make no mistake, it is a very good whisky just a bit fussy about water.  Neat was definitely the way to go with that one.   Perhaps something a little younger from that distillery would be more forgiving.

I generally find your malt whisky comments in complete accord with my own experience. However my experience with Caol Ila is somewhat different.  Master distillers obviously must pull from different barrels, even in the same bottling year, and there are variations (hopefully slight) year to year.  So, your 16 year could be different than my 12 and 18 as to compatibility with water.

Caol Ila 12 seems to open nicely to a few drops of water for me.  The 18 also.  Water releases the oily esters that bring to your nose some of the most delightful unique fragrances in single malts.  Sometimes it is a signature note.  For Caol Ila, the water releases something akin to the smell of green olives!  I kid you not.

I have some thoughts about variations in Speysides I'll share in another post.  They can be quite varied, ranging from the lighter, elegant Glenlivet to the heavily sherried Macallan, Aberlour, and my favorite of the sherry group, Glenroth.  On the elegant side is one that has become my go-to for elegance, Cragganmore.  It has the most extremely complex aroma of heather, honey, other floral and fruit (Apple and pear, primarily), just a touch of smoke.  A little water brings all of that magic.  This is one that is so delicate that any amount of ice is the glass would be criminal.

Those who like Glenlivet will love Cragganmore 12.  More on Speyside variations on another occasion.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on October 21, 2013, 04:53:28 pm
I generally find your malt whisky comments in complete accord with my own experience. However my experience with Caol Ila is somewhat different.  Master distillers obviously must pull from different barrels, even in the same bottling year, and there are variations (hopefully slight) year to year.  So, your 16 year could be different than my 12 and 18 as to compatibility with water.

Caol Ila 12 seems to open nicely to a few drops of water for me.  The 18 also.  Water releases the oily esters that bring to your nose some of the most delightful unique fragrances in single malts.  Sometimes it is a signature note.  For Caol Ila, the water releases something akin to the smell of green olives!  I kid you not.

I have some thoughts about variations in Speysides I'll share in another post.  They can be quite varied, ranging from the lighter, elegant Glenlivet to the heavily sherried Macallan, Aberlour, and my favorite of the sherry group, Glenroth.  On the elegant side is one that has become my go-to for elegance, Cragganmore.  It has the most extremely complex aroma of heather, honey, other floral and fruit (Apple and pear, primarily), just a touch of smoke.  A little water brings all of that magic.  This is one that is so delicate that any amount of ice is the glass would be criminal.

Those who like Glenlivet will love Cragganmore 12.  More on Speyside variations on another occasion.

Look forward to reading it when you gather your thoughts, as someone who is very,very,very new to whisky I will be happy to learn or get recommendations from anyone with experience.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on October 21, 2013, 05:14:15 pm
I'm no authority.  Ultimately, your nose, your tongue and your throat are the authorities.  If you like it, enjoy it.  If you don't no amount of gibberish from so-called experts is going to make it taste one darn bit better.

I began in earnest to try to learn something about single malts when in Scotland in the Spring of '05.  My wife and I flew into Edinburgh, rented a car and spent about two weeks and 1,000 miles traveling all over that small country, trying to drive on the other side of the road.  No Scots or sheep (seemingly millions of them) were injured in the process.   When we got around to Speyside area, we stayed in a quaint hotel called the "Craigellachie Hotel" in a little town of the same name.  It is where the Fiddich river joins the Spey.   The hotel has a bar where I hung out for more time than I should have.   It is called the Quaiche Bar and is considered to have perhaps the largest collection of "order by the drink" single malts in the world.   Over 700 different!

Attached are a few photos I took of the bar, which is more like a library for whisky than a bar.  You just walk over to one of the shelves, take down what you want to try and hand it to the bartender.   Be sure to ask the price per "wee dram" first, as they range from ordinary to more than $500 per drink.   BTW:  The bartender is touted as being one of the world's leading experts in the subject.  He is Japanese!  Go figure.

Here is a glimpse of what the bar looks like.  If you ever get over there, you have GOT to check this place out.   Later, I'll tell you why some of those bottles are in a locked cage.  I'll do this in two posts, as the files are a bit large.  This is single malt heaven.   
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on October 21, 2013, 05:16:40 pm
A couple more.  And no, I didn't get to try very many.  Neither my wallet nor my need to remain functional would permit me to indulge as deeply as I would have liked.  But it did send me on a quest to learn more.  I'm only scratching the surface.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on October 21, 2013, 06:01:19 pm
As someone who has never been outside of the U.S. Before, that is really cool. Thanks for sharing Mississippi!

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on October 21, 2013, 07:52:37 pm
Yeah, those Scots are very serious about their whisky.  Sorry for hogging the bandwidth.   My apologies for being a bit "showy" but I know I'll probably never get back to that bar again.  We got there very early in their tourism season, still quite cool.  We were the first guests in the hotel for the season.  I had the bar to myself that night.  Just me and the bartender.  What an experience!  If you ever go over there, consider going in May before the crowds arrive.  Bartender took the photo of me. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on October 21, 2013, 08:14:18 pm
Yeah, those Scots are very serious about their whisky.  Sorry for hogging the bandwidth.   My apologies for being a bit "showy" but I know I'll probably never get back to that bar again.  We got there very early in their tourism season, still quite cool.  We were the first guests in the hotel for the season.  I had the bar to myself that night.  Just me and the bartender.  What an experience!  If you ever go over there, consider going in May before the crowds arrive.  Bartender took the photo of me.

No reason to apologize at all! If you haven't noticed, I have been gabbing it up the past couple of pages as well, so no worries. I think its cool that places like that exist, which if people on the Internet never shared them; they would still be unknown to me. I would ask that if you have any more to share about your

thoughts about variations in Speysides.

Please do, who knows? I might learn something  :cool.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on October 23, 2013, 01:02:00 pm
Very nice.    :thumbup1    Thanks for the pictures of the "church of the single malt"   :cool    You were in the ancestral country of Clan Grant whose clan motto is "Stand Fast Craigellachie!" .     I believe the distilleries producing Grant's blended whisky and Glenfiddich, as well, are or at least were holdings of the members of that clan.   Glenfiddich is a nice light, fragrant dram for those new to the whisky that hasn't been mentioned before.   

I generally find your malt whisky comments in complete accord with my own experience. However my experience with Caol Ila is somewhat different.  Master distillers obviously must pull from different barrels, even in the same bottling year, and there are variations (hopefully slight) year to year.  So, your 16 year could be different than my 12 and 18 as to compatibility with water.

Caol Ila 12 seems to open nicely to a few drops of water for me.  The 18 also.  Water releases the oily esters that bring to your nose some of the most delightful unique fragrances in single malts.  Sometimes it is a signature note.  For Caol Ila, the water releases something akin to the smell of green olives!  I kid you not.

I have some thoughts about variations in Speysides I'll share in another post.  They can be quite varied, ranging from the lighter, elegant Glenlivet to the heavily sherried Macallan, Aberlour, and my favorite of the sherry group, Glenroth.  On the elegant side is one that has become my go-to for elegance, Cragganmore.  It has the most extremely complex aroma of heather, honey, other floral and fruit (Apple and pear, primarily), just a touch of smoke.  A little water brings all of that magic.  This is one that is so delicate that any amount of ice is the glass would be criminal.

Those who like Glenlivet will love Cragganmore 12.  More on Speyside variations on another occasion.
You are quite right - no two bottlings are precisely the same.  I almost invariably use a few drops of water to open up the nose of the whisky but in that one case it just wasn't as good as neat.   I concur with the elegance of Cragganmore, but as a group I have no fondness for anything aged in sherry wood casks.  I love a good glass of Spanish sherry as much as the next guy ( also a topic for further discussion ) but I don't like the marriage of the two flavors.   Just doesn't work for me.    As you say though, individual taste is always the go to guide and trumps any other factor when selecting your spirits.   
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on October 23, 2013, 02:35:28 pm
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Got some new stuff to try.  A big Saison, a Farmhouse Ale, and Belhaven the Scottish Ale that Kiltlifer is modeled after.


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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on October 23, 2013, 02:49:33 pm
Very nice.    :thumbup1    Thanks for the pictures of the "church of the single malt"   :cool   

. . .I concur with the elegance of Cragganmore, but as a group I have no fondness for anything aged in sherry wood casks. 

Anything taken to an extreme is usually bad for me.  A little judicious use of sherry finish can be good.  But overdo it and good whisky is ruined.  That's why some of the Macallan, those offerings which are aged exclusively in former sherry barrels, are very off-putting to me.  Just my taste.  The 12 and 18 are exclusively sherry oak aged, and despite their high regard in many circles of very knowledgeable people, I don't really care for them.  I have a 12 and a cask strength in my collection, mostly for completeness and because others who visit gravitate to them.  Just too darned "syrupy" for me.

On the other hand, a nice Speyside with NO sherry, is the Balvenie Single Barrel.   That's nice stuff.

BTW:  That hotel is literally in the epicenter of the industry.  There are over 20 of the best known distilleries within 15 miles the hotel, several of them within eyesight.

While I'm Christian, I have a good friend who is an orthodox Jew and a single malt lover.  Of course, they can't keep Kosher drinking Scotch that has been aged in sherry or any other wine barrels that were not prepared according to their restrictions. He knows which ones to stay away from when visiting my home.  I was surprised, or perhaps should not have been to find out that neither Scapa nor Highland Park (the two Orkney Isle distilleries) age in sherry.  Nor does Cragganmore.  I thought for sure that Glen Rothes was sherry finished, albeit lightly, but understand that it is not.  I mistakenly grouped it with the sherry finished malts in an earlier post.  If you can find the vintage dated Glen Rothes, the 1991 is one of the finest malt whiskys in the world, in my biased view.  I'm hording it.   

One of my favorites of the non-sherried group and one that you can clearly tell is NOT sherry finished is Longmorn.  That is a very, very nice Speyside, with all the fragrant, floral, heathery, honey toned goodness but without the cloying tendencies of sherry finishing.  I have a 15 year old expression and a 16.  Both very good sipping whisky.  Sometimes hard to find.  Drastically overlooked and underrated.  Same with Mortlach.  The bartender at the Quaich Bar put me onto Mortlach.  It is worth looking for.  The only one I could find state-side was an independent bottling by Adelphi at 13 years old.  Delicious.

I'm generally not so much a fan of Glenfiddich either the 12 or the 18.  But the 15 year old Solera Reserve (widely available) is quite good.  It might make a good beginner's choice due to availability. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on October 23, 2013, 03:05:15 pm
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Got some new stuff to try.  A big Saison, a Farmhouse Ale, and Belhaven the Scottish Ale that Kiltlifer is modeled after.


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Thanks for the photos and the suggestion.  Belhaven is very good Scottish Aie.  The Scots, true to their heritage, tend to roast the barley over peat and shy away from very much hops, so you end up with a dark ale with a distinctively smoky flavor that is smooth and not bitter.  It can tend to be a bit too sweet.

Speaking of which, by sheer coincidence, I happened upon a new (for me) domestic offering from Sam Adams recently. "Wee Heavy." It is quite good. A very intense stout.  10% alcohol by volume.  Here's the "empty" from the bottle I enjoyed last night after dinner.  This is not summer beer and probably best served late in the evening.  Apologies for the poor photo quality.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on October 23, 2013, 09:55:09 pm
I agree with your general assessment of the sherry wood aging.  Seems a waste of good whisky to me.   :facepalm    If you want sherry drink it and if you want whisky drink that but for God's sake don't mix the two.   :shocked    Trauqair House is my favorite Scottish ale when you can find it.   I am told that the Samuel Smith's Winter Welcome Ale is one week away from delivery so I'm like a kid at Christmas.   
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on October 25, 2013, 01:02:25 am
So is Bellhaven *the* Scotch Ale to try?

It's on the list then.  Today I tried Fullers London Pride which is a proper English Pale Ale.  It was weird because I am so used to the West-coast hops explosions in ales that I've come to known and love.

To me, London Pride seemed too sweet, but it wasn't bad per-se.  It certainly had body and taste to it (unlike Boddingtons or New Castle or Bass.  (Bass sucks as a Pale Ale any way you cut it).

Later, I had some a couple of Trumer Pils which I really enjoy as a session beer.  I also tried some Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale but I drank it too quickly to appreciate it.  :/
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on October 25, 2013, 01:05:38 am
Thanks for the photos and the suggestion.  Belhaven is very good Scottish Aie.  The Scots, true to their heritage, tend to roast the barley over peat and shy away from very much hops, so you end up with a dark ale with a distinctively smoky flavor that is smooth and not bitter.  It can tend to be a bit too sweet.

Speaking of which, by sheer coincidence, I happened upon a new (for me) domestic offering from Sam Adams recently. "Wee Heavy." It is quite good. A very intense stout.  10% alcohol by volume.  Here's the "empty" from the bottle I enjoyed last night after dinner.  This is not summer beer and probably best served late in the evening.  Apologies for the poor photo quality.

Try the Wee Heavy from Belhaven. Mighty fine brew, she is.

Breckenridge Vanilla Porter is my drink this week.

I'd also suggest Leinenkugel's Big Eddy line, I've had the Imperial Stout and was quite impressed with it. The Vanilla Porter from Leinie was surprisingly good, I'd recommend it as well.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on October 25, 2013, 01:09:26 am
So is Bellhaven *the* Scotch Ale to try?

It's on the list then.  Today I tried Fullers London Pride which is a proper English Pale Ale.  It was weird because I am so used to the West-coast hops explosions in ales that I've come to known and love.

To me, London Pride seemed too sweet, but it wasn't bad per-se.  It certainly had body and taste to it (unlike Boddingtons or New Castle or Bass.  (Bass sucks as a Pale Ale any way you cut it).

Later, I had some a couple of Trumer Pils which I really enjoy as a session beer.  I also tried some Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale but I drank it too quickly to appreciate it.  :/

I'd list Belhaven as 'the' Scottish Ale, definitely. I prefer it on tap, where it is served like a Guinness, with the low CO2 and high N2 blend gas through a diffuser plate faucet. You get the nice cascade and creamy head, like Guinness.

If you like IPA's, try the 'Twisted Thistle' I'm burned out on pales right now, but that one ain't bad atall.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on October 25, 2013, 01:38:07 am
I had Hop Stoopid Monday night, it was good.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on October 25, 2013, 04:19:47 am
Adding to my young whisky palate, I tried Johnny walker double black. I thought it was very good and had a nice smoky flavoring mixed with something else (peat?) it was a new flavor and I am unsure how to categorize it. I am starting to notice the pattern of how a blended whisky just cannot compare to the complexities of a single malt. It seems to me that blended whiskys have a wonderful arrival, but then fade almost as quickly as they arrive never to develop any further.

The comparison was made between JW DB and once again "the glenlivet".

I really liked JW DB, but I am not sure it is worth the $40 price tag.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on October 25, 2013, 07:27:48 am
A friend gave me a bottle of DB before it was available in the US.  Friends like that are good to have.  It is good and I appreciated the gift, but I think regular JW Black is actually better and may be the best blend out there that mere mortals can afford.

An even better choice from that label is JW Green which is called a vatted whisky.  It is a combo of four of the better single malts.  No grain whisky to dilute the goodness. It's a combo of pure Talisker, Cragganmore, Linkwood and Caol Ila bottled at 15 years.  Very good. Sort of a tour of Scotland rolled into a single dram.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on October 25, 2013, 09:49:06 pm
A friend gave me a bottle of DB before it was available in the US.  Friends like that are good to have.  It is good and I appreciated the gift, but I think regular JW Black is actually better and may be the best blend out there that mere mortals can afford.

An even better choice from that label is JW Green which is called a vatted whisky.  It is a combo of four of the better single malts.  No grain whisky to dilute the goodness. It's a combo of pure Talisker, Cragganmore, Linkwood and Caol Ila bottled at 15 years.  Very good. Sort of a tour of Scotland rolled into a single dram.

I will have to price check the JW green label. I have a feeling that it may be out of my range.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on October 26, 2013, 12:27:24 am
Green Label is usually in the $45-50 range.  JW has changed its lineup and Green is no longer in current production.  That may have to do with inventory supply of one or more of the components at the 15 year aging point.  It was always a bit hard to find.  If you see it on the store shelf, it's worth the price.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Coronach on October 26, 2013, 01:11:20 am
Belhaven is good. A solid Scottish ale. It does not, in my opinion, hold a candle to Traquair. However, you can find it easier, and drink it without a second mortgage. It's good stuff.

I like Fuller's ESB and London Pride. I prefer English style ales (especially pale ales) to American and west coast ones. Not that they're bad, I just don't think they're quite ... right.

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Coronach on October 26, 2013, 01:14:03 am
Also, Boddingtons, Newcastle and Bass are all pretty blah. As you've seen. Drinkable, but not worth seeking out.

Try Sam Smith, too. And, oh! Theakston's Old Peculier, if you can find it. Also, Royal Oak (from England, not Michigan).

Mike

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on October 26, 2013, 01:32:44 am
Belhaven is good. A solid Scottish ale. It does not, in my opinion, hold a candle to Traquair. However, you can find it easier, and drink it without a second mortgage. It's good stuff.

I like Fuller's ESB and London Pride. I prefer English style ales (especially pale ales) to American and west coast ones. Not that they're bad, I just don't think they're quite ... right.

Mike

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^ This ^.  Too much hops ends up tasting like medicine to me.  I prefer the balance of the English style ales.  The best I've had is Wadworth's  6X but it's a pub draught from the West country and not available in the U.S.   :banghead  .   
A friend gave me a bottle of DB before it was available in the US.  Friends like that are good to have.  It is good and I appreciated the gift, but I think regular JW Black is actually better and may be the best blend out there that mere mortals can afford.

An even better choice from that label is JW Green which is called a vatted whisky.  It is a combo of four of the better single malts.  No grain whisky to dilute the goodness. It's a combo of pure Talisker, Cragganmore, Linkwood and Caol Ila bottled at 15 years.  Very good. Sort of a tour of Scotland rolled into a single dram.
I agree with the assessment of JW black.  Hard to do better in a blend.    :thumbup1
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Coronach on October 26, 2013, 01:56:05 am
Oh, also, to go back to the domestic side, have you tried Left Hand Brewery's Nitro Milk Stout yet? It was what I expected Guinness to taste like, after all of the buildup and hype (I hate Guinness).

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on October 26, 2013, 02:00:42 pm
Oh, also, to go back to the domestic side, have you tried Left Hand Brewery's Nitro Milk Stout yet? It was what I expected Guinness to taste like, after all of the buildup and hype (I hate Guinness).

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I want to try Guinness, I have yet to find a beer that I really like.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on October 26, 2013, 02:43:09 pm
I prefer English style ales (especially pale ales) to American and west coast ones.

Mike

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Me too.  I'm just not a fan of high hops bitterness.  Just me.  Frankly, an ordinary true English pub ale, like Boddington or Abbott, is more satisfying.  I guess my taste buds are too simple.  I like to taste the barley malt, rather than have it masked or overpowered.

But I splurge with Samuel Smith.  Superb.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mikee5star on October 26, 2013, 05:42:33 pm
I really wanted to like Guinness, but the first time I tried it the nitrogen made my tongue numb.  I love stouts, and most reds.  I can't wait for Thanksgiving so I can have some Leinie's.  I have looked and looked but can not find it in AK.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Coronach on October 27, 2013, 03:45:54 pm
Seriously. Left Hand Brewery's Left Hand Milk Stout. Try it. Follow the directions on the bottle. Pop the top, invert the bottle into the middle of the glass and dump it out. No it won't foam over. Yes it looks like Guinness. Yes, it tastes better, without that weird flat, metallic Guinnessy taste.

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mikee5star on October 27, 2013, 05:33:23 pm
I have drank gallons of Homer Brewing's oatmeal stout, great stuff.  Their Scottish style red is fantastic as well.  They occasionally do a black Belgian ale that is one of the best beers I have ever tasted.   Homer Brewing is a local micro-brewery, that only sells in Sobe bottles, growlers, and kegs.

For commercial beers I love Leinenkigel's https://leinie.com/  they are owned by Miller, but do lots of different types beer.   I also enjoy Sessions.  They are brewed by Full Sail Brewery, they have a regular and a black.  I would keep it in my fridge back when I drank more.  I have seen it called an American pale lager.  I don't know about that, I just know that I like it.   
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on October 27, 2013, 10:09:20 pm
Belhaven is good. A solid Scottish ale. It does not, in my opinion, hold a candle to Traquair. However, you can find it easier, and drink it without a second mortgage. It's good stuff.

I like Fuller's ESB and London Pride. I prefer English style ales (especially pale ales) to American and west coast ones. Not that they're bad, I just don't think they're quite ... right.

Mike

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Hahaha,  I felt exactly the same way, but in the opposite direction.  But I'm cutting them more slack.


I'm cleaning my spent bottles for reloading while sippin on some Saison tonight.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: louie the lumberjack on October 27, 2013, 11:14:02 pm

Seriously. Left Hand Brewery's Left Hand Milk Stout. Try it. Follow the directions on the bottle. Pop the top, invert the bottle into the middle of the glass and dump it out. No it won't foam over. Yes it looks like Guinness. Yes, it tastes better, without that weird flat, metallic Guinnessy taste.

This is very true, the milk stout is excellent, especially on tap. It's kind of their "flagship" brew but they have others worth noting like their Polestar Pilsner.  A German style if you can find it in your area and you happen to like yellow lager, I highly recommend it.

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on October 27, 2013, 11:21:30 pm
Mike, after Old Rasputin, Guinness is a has-been for me.

I'll look out for LHMS. Today, in addition to my saison, I got some more seasonal fresh hopped stuff from Deschutes and a seasonal from Speakeasy (local).

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Coronach on October 28, 2013, 01:59:50 am
Just remember that Russian Imperial and standard stout are two different creatures. One is meant to be pleasant and smooth and the other is designed to give your beard a beard. Comparing them is hardly fair to either. Just plain different animals.

The milk stout is smooth and rich and creamy and mild. It might be too thick for a lawnmower beer (I prefer lagers for that), but it is a very pleasant thing to have with your feet up around a hearth after a day's work.

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on October 28, 2013, 03:56:13 am
Just remember that Russian Imperial and standard stout are two different creatures. One is meant to be pleasant and smooth and the other is designed to give your beard a beard. Comparing them is hardly fair to either. Just plain different animals.

The milk stout is smooth and rich and creamy and mild. It might be too thick for a lawnmower beer (I prefer lagers for that), but it is a very pleasant thing to have with your feet up around a hearth after a day's work.

Mike

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Ok, you're right.  Let me fix that.

After Obsidian Stout from Deschutes, Guinness is a has-been for me.  :hide 

I'm just going to come out and admit that I have a really big hard-on for Deschutes Brewery.  Everything they put out is just right, from their Inversion IPA to their fresh hopped seasonals to Black Butte Porter.  Mmmm. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JesseL on December 29, 2013, 09:21:53 pm
Joseph James 5th Anniversary Smoked Wee Heavy.

Delicious but potent at 14% ABV.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on December 29, 2013, 10:05:09 pm
14%  :shocked  No wonder the dog looks blurry .   .   .
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on December 30, 2013, 11:19:59 am
Joseph James 5th Anniversary Smoked Wee Heavy.

Delicious but potent at 14% ABV.

Oh, man, wonderful.  Wish I could find some of that goodness around here.  I'd be blurry eyed but happy.  One of the best Wee Heavys on the planet.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on December 30, 2013, 01:46:45 pm
My stepfather introduced me to Grangestone 12yr single malt - quite nice. He's also got a bottle of a Sheildaig Speyside 18yr that he hasn't cracked open yet - I'll ask him to save me a sample of that.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on December 30, 2013, 02:00:32 pm
Shieldaig is nice.  I'm not sure which distillery its from but I had a bottle of the 12 y.o. and it was quite passable.    :thumbup1
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on December 30, 2013, 02:24:15 pm
Shieldaig is nice.  I'm not sure which distillery its from but I had a bottle of the 12 y.o. and it was quite passable.    :thumbup1

Haven't tried it or seen it available.  I believe it is a trade name rather than a distillery.  I wonder who actually makes it?

http://scotchaddict.com/shieldaig-speyside-18-year-review-tasting-notes.html (http://scotchaddict.com/shieldaig-speyside-18-year-review-tasting-notes.html)

Sounds like it is pretty drinkable.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on December 30, 2013, 03:08:27 pm
It is indeed marketed through Total Wine and more - that's where I got mine.  The whiskey was pleasant, if a little confused.  Not sure if it wanted to be a Speyside or an island whisky.   More peat than many Speysides but not as smoothly done as the islanders do it.   The finish was long and peaty, fading to a bit of sweetness at the end.   I actually tried it over ice as a Rusty Nail and it was pretty good.   I might buy it again for that purpose but as a stand alone whiskey, neat, it leaves something to be desired.  I think it is marketed to a price point rather than an aficionado of Scotch whisky.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on December 30, 2013, 08:03:05 pm
Things that suck about being stuck in a state where the state runs the liquor stores...
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on January 11, 2014, 03:31:38 pm
How I spent New Year's Eve:

Wife and I stayed at home this year to welcome in 2014.  I decided that in lieu of Champagne, I'd visit Islay via little tasting glasses.  Keeping the drams very wee let me enjoy an entire flight of representative offerings from every active distillery on the island.  Here's a photo of the selections, ranging from the lightest to most aggressively maritime.  In order of tasting:

Bruichladdich 10, Bunnahabhain 12, Caol Ila 12, Bowmore 12, Laphroaig Quarter Cask, Lagavulin 16, and finally the superb cask strength, Ardbeg Uigeadail.

The Ardbeg warranted a more "full" wee dram.  At 54.2% it needed a splash more water, too!
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on January 11, 2014, 04:58:10 pm
How I spent New Year's Eve:

Wife and I stayed at home this year to welcome in 2014.  I decided that in lieu of Champagne, I'd visit Islay via little tasting glasses.  Keeping the drams very wee let me enjoy an entire flight of representative offerings from every active distillery on the island.  Here's a photo of the selections, ranging from the lightest to most aggressively maritime.  In order of tasting:

Bruichladdich 10, Bunnahabhain 12, Caol Ila 12, Bowmore 12, Laphroaig Quarter Cask, Lagavulin 16, and finally the superb cask strength, Ardbeg Uigeadail.

The Ardbeg warranted a more "full" wee dram.  At 54.2% it needed a splash more water, too!

 :thumbup1

I still want to try Laphroaig when I get the chance.

It looks like you rang in the new year appropriately, I couldn't celebrate it "correctly" due to illness  :doh.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Grant on January 11, 2014, 09:52:37 pm
  For new years I just filled a water-glass with ice and filled it with crown royal.

Then went to bed about 10 o clock  :cool   Just a good excuse to try the good stuff.

 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: ksuguy on January 11, 2014, 11:21:00 pm
My cousin's distillery finally opened last month.  They have made some wheat vodka and it is starting to appear on the shelves of liquor stores around Kansas.   Bourbon should be coming soon, they have to wait for it to age in the barrels.  The vodka was pretty good,  I tasted some at the distillery and bought a few bottles from the first batch.   

http://www.wheatstatedistilling.com/ (http://www.wheatstatedistilling.com/)

https://www.facebook.com/WheatStateDistilling (https://www.facebook.com/WheatStateDistilling)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: louie the lumberjack on January 11, 2014, 11:41:59 pm
I've mentioned this brewery out of SLC before but I came across this one that I thought I'd mention to the few of you here that like Imperial Stouts.  Is it heavy? Yeah. Is it malty? Yup. Is it hopped enough to balance out the onslaught of roasted chocolate and coffee notes? Nope.  Will it impair your ability to operate machinery? Hell yeah! 

It's aged in a whiskey barrel, so it has a interesting finish.  Almost sweet but subtlety smokey.  I give it  :thumbup1 :thumbup1

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on February 25, 2014, 12:58:24 am
I've been enjoying some Moab Brewery Black Imperial IPA. This is some good beer!


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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on February 27, 2014, 02:40:43 pm
I got to try some knob creek. It was very good and I look forward to getting my hands on some other quality bourbons. Perhaps buffalo trace will be next on my list  :hmm.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Coronach on February 27, 2014, 06:43:35 pm
Try Middle West Spirits bourbon (OYO distillery). It's yummy.

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on February 28, 2014, 03:57:05 am
Thanks Coronach, I'll have to look into it.

One other thing to mention, in my small little city of Waco. I have found a bar that has a big ol' bottle of Laprohaig. They have it sitting front and center behind the counter and as it glistens in the light; you can practically see the little tendrils of moss trying to escape from the mouth of the bottle. I am very tempted to try the stuff (I would soo rather dislike a shot as opposed to dislike a bottle that I am now stuck with).
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on February 28, 2014, 07:42:46 am
Go for it, it's already taunting you.

The bartender will smirk as he hands it to you.

Which reminds me... Have y'all heard of a mixed drink called a "cement mixer"? IIRC, it's lime syrup and Bailey's, in a shot glass. Apparently, the acidity of the lime juice makes the cream in the Bailey's curdle, making the concoction hard to swallow (and yet, surprisingly tasty - kinda like a whiskey sour with pea gravel).

I ordered one once, saying " I think I'll try a cement mixer."

The waitress said "Wait, you're serious?! On purpose?"

It lived up to it's reputation.


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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on February 28, 2014, 12:44:15 pm
I normally do not buy whisky (scotch) older that 15 years -- mostly 10 to 12 year old expressions.  Older whisky costs more because of the evaporation (the angels' share) from the barrels during storage, and because time is money, so aging for more years means keeping good product off the market and reducing immediate income for the distillery.  Many times, the whisky really does not improve that much, if at all, after 12-15 years.

However, once in a blue moon, I break down and try something older.  In this instance, I was aware that a very unusual 19 year old Glenmorangie had been named Whisky of the Year by one of the so-called experts in such things, Jim Murray.  It was also a special occasion for me (details omitted) and my wife wanted me to select something "nice."

So I picked up a bottle of Glenmorangie Ealanta.

http://whiskycast.com/murray-names-glenmorangie-ealanta-worlds-best-whisky/ (http://whiskycast.com/murray-names-glenmorangie-ealanta-worlds-best-whisky/)

What makes this particular expression unique is the aging process.   Scotch must be aged in oak.  Virtually all single malts are aged in barrels from the US that had previously held bourbon whisky, even though the scotch may be "finished" at the end of the aging process in an oak barrel that contained some kind of wine, such as sherry or port.

Ealanta, however, is aged exactly the same way as American bourbon, in virgin oak.  For this limited release, they used the best white oak from the southern Missouri Ozarks, charred it heavily and aged it just like we do with bourbon, but for a full 19 years.   So, what we have is basically a Scottish bourbon, but with barley malt only, and some peat smoke background.   For a 19 year old, it is surprisingly light (in a good way), but very full of flavor.  I will enjoy this very sparingly, to make it last.   But, if any of you find your way to south Mississippi, about a hour east of New Orleans, I'll share a dram with you.

FWIW, another review of the same release (Whisky Magazine), gave it only so-so reviews, scoring it down in the 80's.

I lean more toward Murray's 97.5% score, but not that high.  It really showcases the barley though without introducing the influence of flavors from a previous storage of bourbon or wine.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on February 28, 2014, 12:59:04 pm
Thanks Coronach, I'll have to look into it.

One other thing to mention, in my small little city of Waco. I have found a bar that has a big ol' bottle of Laprohaig. They have it sitting front and center behind the counter and as it glistens in the light; you can practically see the little tendrils of moss trying to escape from the mouth of the bottle. I am very tempted to try the stuff (I would soo rather dislike a shot as opposed to dislike a bottle that I am now stuck with).

Yes, give the Laphroaig a try.  Be ready to love it or hate it, there is no in between.  I love it. 

But, man, you are in Waco.  You must check out this, if you have not already.  Right in your own back yard.  There barley based single malt (can't call it "scotch" although it is in all but distillery location), is very good.

  http://www.balconesdistilling.com/ (http://www.balconesdistilling.com/)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on February 28, 2014, 02:46:48 pm
Yes, give the Laphroaig a try.  Be ready to love it or hate it, there is no in between.  I love it. 

But, man, you are in Waco.  You must check out this, if you have not already.  Right in your own back yard.  There barley based single malt (can't call it "scotch" although it is in all but distillery location), is very good.

  http://www.balconesdistilling.com/ (http://www.balconesdistilling.com/)

Oh, yes I recall you or someone reviewing it a few months ago. I have been wanting to get  a hold of some of the stuff, but apparently it is quite popular and I have found it difficult to find on our own shelves. I believe it is time that I look for it again.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on February 28, 2014, 10:40:25 pm
Yup.  Laphroaig is almost invariably an acquired taste.  Once acquired, though, it never quite leaves.   :cool   Bourbon is a relatively forgiving spirit.  If you liked Knob Creek you'll probably like Bulleit as well and its a bit less expensive in most places.  An old stand-bye is Makers Mark which is available nearly everywhere and while not up to Knob Creek is a pretty respectable bourbon in its own right. 

What, pray tell, are you stuck with that you find objectionable?   :hmm
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on February 28, 2014, 11:13:18 pm
Yup.  Laphroaig is almost invariably an acquired taste.  Once acquired, though, it never quite leaves.   :cool   Bourbon is a relatively forgiving spirit.  If you liked Knob Creek you'll probably like Bulleit as well and its a bit less expensive in most places.  An old stand-bye is Makers Mark which is available nearly everywhere and while not up to Knob Creek is a pretty respectable bourbon in its own right. 

What, pray tell, are you stuck with that you find objectionable?   :hmm

Huh? Oh, I'm not stuck with anything, Steve. I was saying that if I did end up disliking laprohaig that I would rather buy a shot and dislike it as opposed to buy a bottle and say I disliked it  :).

And thank you for the suggestions, btw.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on February 28, 2014, 11:53:39 pm
Well, I'm not saying I'd drive to Texas to rescue a bottle of Laphroaig but I'd think about it.  Besides, Mississippi556 would probably beat me to it.   :cool
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on February 28, 2014, 11:58:38 pm
Well, I'm not saying I'd drive to Texas to rescue a bottle of Laphroaig but I'd think about it.  Besides, Mississippi556 would probably beat me to it.   :cool

Well, I've always wanted to meet someone from WTA and that would save me gas money  ;).
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on March 01, 2014, 11:45:16 pm
From the seat of a local bar, I have finished a dram of Laphroig. Wonderful news, I enjoy it  :cool. I wouldn't say I love it yet, but if given time; it could easily go that way.

Very enjoyable and I will have to see what a bottle costs in my area.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on March 02, 2014, 01:01:38 am
 :thumbup1
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on March 02, 2014, 11:56:45 pm
Yes, give the Laphroaig a try.  Be ready to love it or hate it, there is no in between.  I love it. 

But, man, you are in Waco.  You must check out this, if you have not already.  Right in your own back yard.  There barley based single malt (can't call it "scotch" although it is in all but distillery location), is very good.

  http://www.balconesdistilling.com/ (http://www.balconesdistilling.com/)

Forgot to mention, I did get to sample 3 different bottles of balcones. I know one was the baby blue (think that's the name?), but I could not tell the name of the other 2. Regardless of name, all were good. Besides, when a friend buys and says "try" there is no need for semantics such as the name of a bottle  ;). One did have a notable smokiness to it, however (still probably doesn't narrow it down).
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on March 16, 2014, 02:24:49 pm
For anyone traveling to LibertyCon this year, I'm in the process of putting a panel together on home brewing.

I'm not a brewer, but I deal with the dispense and maintenance end of the finished product.

So far, I have two 99% sure they'll be available panelists, and one 'let me see.'

Anyone interested in joining the panel, contact me!

The tentative plan is to have the 50 min panel, then head to the pool/consuite area for a Quality Control session and tasting. So, if you're coming to the Con, bring some samples of your own brews.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: FMJ on March 25, 2014, 12:54:36 am
Well, my latest homebrew (done a month ago) turned out well; it was a 7.2% IPA with 4.0oz of 4 different kinds of hops.  It also wasn't too bitter and even non IPA people liked it.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on March 25, 2014, 03:09:12 am
Cool.   :cool     I just found some Full Sail Amber on sale and also some Shiner Wild Hare pale ale - both winners in my book, especially at $4.99 / six.   
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on April 01, 2014, 08:06:26 pm
I think this is one of the few misuses of bacon.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on April 01, 2014, 08:12:16 pm
Well, my latest homebrew (done a month ago) turned out well; it was a 7.2% IPA with 4.0oz of 4 different kinds of hops.  It also wasn't too bitter and even non IPA people liked it.

I'm burnt out on IPA's, but I'd be willing to try that!
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chief45 on April 01, 2014, 10:42:14 pm
my tipple of choice for the last few months has been Lairds Apple Jack.  It's a blended brandy,  makes for a nice evening sip.


http://www.lairdandcompany.com/products_applejack.htm (http://www.lairdandcompany.com/products_applejack.htm)

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on April 02, 2014, 07:36:10 am
What I've been enjoying lately:

http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/335/5428/ (http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/335/5428/)

How can you try something called "Dragon's Milk"?!


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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JesseL on August 23, 2014, 05:31:14 pm
Distilled two doors down from work.

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on August 24, 2014, 08:02:35 am
How is it, Jesse?  I good rye is a thing of joy, to be savored.    All too often, rye can be rough around the edges and lacking in smoothness.  Charred barrel oak aging for at least six years, preferably longer, is the fix.  You can't hurry it. It needs the same care as good bourbon, sour mash, and malt whisky.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JesseL on August 24, 2014, 12:42:57 pm
It's not bad. Very smooth.

It starts with a kind of sweet caramel or molasses flavor that I don't expect from rye, but that quickly fades to be replaced with mild rye spiciness.

The guys at the distillery were explaining their process to me a bit. Since they've only been in operation a short time they're aging their whiskeys in 5 gallon casks to accelerate the process.

Since most new businesses can't wait 10 years to start turning a profit, a lot of distilleries sell someone else's liquor bottled as their own for those first years.

Either way isn't ideal but I prefer the choice these guys have made. Seems more honest.

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: ksuguy on August 24, 2014, 01:05:49 pm
The guys at the distillery were explaining their process to me a bit. Since they've only been in operation a short time they're aging their whiskeys in 5 gallon casks to accelerate the process.

Since most new businesses can't wait 10 years to start turning a profit, a lot of distilleries sell someone else's liquor bottled as their own for those first years.

Either way isn't ideal but I prefer the choice these guys have made. Seems more honest.

That's very similar to how my cousin is doing it.   They make everything in house from grain they buy here in Kansas,  and do everything from field to bottle.  Most "hand crafted" distilleries just buy industrial booze from larger companies and slap their label on it.   

They started with vodka last fall,  and they have recently put out their first batches of rum and gin.   He's working on some bourbon too, but it is still aging in the barrels.  The first of that will probably be for sale in a few months.    I think he's doing some in small casks, and some in larger ones that will take longer.   Check it out!

http://www.wheatstatedistilling.com/ (http://www.wheatstatedistilling.com/)   
https://www.facebook.com/WheatStateDistilling (https://www.facebook.com/WheatStateDistilling)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on August 24, 2014, 01:57:08 pm
Interesting.  I recall reading that one of the big bourbon distillers in Kentucky tried experimenting with small cask aging and it ended so badly they didn't even try to sell it.    :shrug    I agree with the sentiment that good rye whiskey is joy in a glass.  Looking forward to trying it as high proof rye is generally better than the watered down stuff. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on August 24, 2014, 02:34:00 pm
Thanks for the report, Jesse.  Sadly, by the time any of it makes it to Mississippi, they probably will have a 10 year in the barrel release.  But it will be good stuff.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on August 24, 2014, 08:01:39 pm
I don't think I've ever had any rye whiskey before.

I don't think knob creek counts, does it?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JesseL on August 24, 2014, 08:28:28 pm
I don't think I've ever had any rye whiskey before.

I don't think knob creek counts, does it?

Knob Creek has a rye whiskey, but they're mostly known for their bourbon.

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on August 24, 2014, 10:00:23 pm
 :doh

Was not thinking. Of course mine is a bourbon. What are some good rye whiskeys? Was wild turkey perhaps mentioned before?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JesseL on August 24, 2014, 10:18:12 pm
Bulleit is my go to rye.

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on August 24, 2014, 10:25:28 pm
Have you ever found that Ryemaggedon?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on August 24, 2014, 10:35:07 pm
I don't think I've ever had any rye whiskey before.

I don't think knob creek counts, does it?

Sazerac Rye 18 is mighty good. Again, its in the aging.

http://whiskyadvocate.com/ratings-reviews/?brand_id=0&rating=0&price=0&category_id=5&issue_id=0&reviewer=0&page_num=-1 (http://whiskyadvocate.com/ratings-reviews/?brand_id=0&rating=0&price=0&category_id=5&issue_id=0&reviewer=0&page_num=-1)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: louie the lumberjack on August 24, 2014, 11:04:16 pm
Suddenly, I want some rye. 

louie the lumberjack
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on August 26, 2014, 01:56:46 am
Bulleit is a very passable rye whiskey that won't kill you at the cash register.   I'd try that one first.  The Sazerac is excellent but a bit pricier. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: JesseL on August 27, 2014, 05:50:52 pm
Have you ever found that Ryemaggedon?

Nope. I'll need to keep my eyes open next time I get to one of the big liquor stores in Phoenix.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on November 12, 2014, 10:12:55 am
I tried Bulleit on a trip up to NJ early last month - very nice! The Wife currently owes me a bottle as a result of losing our bet on the World Series. ;)

Also, thought y'all might find this interesting (even outside of my unabashed fanboyness for their product, it's interesting):

Corsair Distillery, Bowling Green Kentucky Tour (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y1CqgQ7-DQ#ws)

A tour of the Corsair Distillery in Bowling Green, KY.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: goatroper on January 10, 2015, 11:11:31 pm
Suddenly, I feel so much better.

But, speaking from experience, shooting for 40 years of benefit in one night is probably not the way to go.

https://www.organicfacts.net/health-benefits/beverage/whiskey.html (https://www.organicfacts.net/health-benefits/beverage/whiskey.html)

Health Benefits of Whiskey


Some of the health benefits of whiskey include its ability to aid in weight loss, slow down the onset of dementia, increase heart health, prevents and manages diabetes, boosts good cholesterol, fights against cancer, eliminates blood clots, strengthens the immune system. Generally, whiskey is one of the healthiest forms of alcohol available.

When people think of whiskey (also known as whisky), there are countless different images that come to mind. Hard-drinking cowboys in old western movies taking shots before barroom brawls, Prohibition-era speakeasies from Chicago to New York, or just that overwhelming smell of whiskey as it fills your head and sends chills down your spine. People tend to have a love-hate relationship with this particular form of alcohol, but if everyone knew all of the health benefits that it contains, plenty of people would likely change their tune and ask the bartender for one more whiskey, neat.

By definition, whiskey is a distilled alcoholic beverage that is made of some type of grain mash. The quality, flavor, price, and name of the whiskey in question depend on which type of grain you might be making your whiskey from, including barley, wheat, rye, corn, buckwheat, etc. Also, the amount of times you distill your alcohol changes the technical designation of your whiskey to either bourbon, scotch, or whiskey. The processes are very similar, but the tastes are distinctly different and preferred in different parts of the world. Finally, the method of storing and aging, which is usually done in cask barrels, also determines the quality and flavor of whiskey. A rye whiskey aged for 10 years in a charred white oak cask will taste completely different from a barley whiskey aged for 15 years in a wine cask, which some distilleries choose to do. This results in a massive variety of whiskeys throughout the world, and being a connoisseur of this particular alcoholic discipline is intoxicatingly enjoyable.

However, alcohol is generally regarded as something bad for you, which could potentially damage your liver, impact your lifestyle, and result in a number of unsavory outcomes. When it is not respected and consumed in moderation, that is completely true. When drank responsibly, whiskey, just like beer and wine, can actually confer quite a few health benefits to its drinkers. 2-3 ounces of whiskey every day won’t be enough to get you drunk or negatively impact your health, but it will be enough to give you a healthy boost to a number of essential bodily functions. Before we delve into all of the healthy benefits of whiskey, let’s first examine the components inside this powerful spirit.
Nutritional Value of Whiskey

First off, whiskey is extremely low in saturated fat, cholesterol, and sodium, and it also has a very low level of carbohydrates. There isn’t much to whiskey, frankly, except for a large amount of alcohol, but in terms of its organic compounds, whiskey is rich in ellagic acid, which is a very powerful antioxidant, and is responsible for a great deal of the health benefits from whiskey.
Health Benefits of Whiskey

 Weight Loss: Many people associate drinking heavily with developing a “beer gut” or losing their muscle tone due to excessive alcohol. That is completely true. However, drinking in moderation doesn’t necessarily have to impact your weight, particularly if you drink whiskey. This delicious liquor has no fat, very little sodium. It does contain calories and carbohydrates, but in the form of alcohol, and the small amount it does contain is simple sugars that are quickly broken down to be used as energy for the body. Therefore, instead of pounding pints of beer at the bar, have a few neat whiskeys instead to maintain your weight while still having a good time.

Dementia: Studies have actually shown that whiskey can successfully boost your cognitive performance and reduce your chances of developing dementia and Alzheimer’s disease. Although studies are ongoing and there is quite a bit of controversy regarding alcohol as a treatment/preventative method, there is no denying that ellagic acid is extrememly powerful in terms of fighting against free radicals within the body. These free radicals are often associated with interrupting neural pathways and contributing to the slow decline towards dementia. Whiskey can reduce that mental decline and improve our quality of life as we get older. Once again, this is useful when consumed in moderation; too much alcohol kills brain cells and does the precise opposite of protecting our cognitive activity.

Heart Health: A number of studies have shown whiskey to be a major player in protecting heart health. As our bodies get older, our systems become more frail, resulting in less efficient functioning of various organ systems, and weakness of our cardiovascular system. However, a study has recently revealed that those who consume a moderate amount of whiskey on a regular basis have almost a 50% lower chance of experiencing a stroke or heart attack, which is exceptional news for those at risk of cardiovascular issues.

Blood Clots: In a related note for heart health, whiskey has been shown to significantly reduce blood clotting. Blood clotting is important when you are wounded so you stop losing blood, but internally, if your blood clots at key junctures in your blood vessels or arteries, it can be disastrous. Atherosclerosis, which usually occurs due to a large build-up of cholesterol, can combine with blood clots to result in thrombosis, heart attacks, strokes, and death. Whiskey is a blood-thinner, so it significantly lowers your chances of excess clotting. It also increases the amount of “good” cholesterol, which counteracts the effects of “bad” cholesterol, further protecting your heart.

Cancer Prevention: Cancer is one of the most devastating and globally relevant diseases known to man. We are also constantly looking for ways to prevent and slow down the disease. There are new anti-cancer schemes and fads all the time, but many of them are just that, popular fads with very little medicinal information to back it up. However, whiskey has an extremely high level of ellagic acid, one of the most powerful antioxidant compounds that we can consume. An antioxidant is a compound that neutralizes free radicals, the harmful byproducts of cellular metabolism that cause a wide range of diseases, including cancer, heart disease, Alzheimer’s disease, and premature aging. This powerful antioxidant makes whiskey a very effective preventative measure against cancer.

Immune System Boost: There have been certain studies that have argued for the immune system-boosting capacity of whiskey. Alcohol does have a traditional role in preventing illness and improving the function of the immune system, but firm evidence was never in hand. Now, we see that the antioxidants and trace levels of vitamins in whiskey do in fact stimulate the immune system, thereby helping to fight off normal colds, illnesses, and infections. All of those old movies where they would pour whiskey on a wound to disinfect it is not just fiction! You can pour whiskey on a fresh wound to make sure it does not get infected!

Diabetes Control: Whiskey has been consistently shown to reduce the chances of diabetes, sometimes by as much as 30-40%. A moderate amount of whiskey can significantly improve your body’s ability to regulate insulin and glucose levels, thereby lowering the possibility of developing diabetes.

A Few Words of Caution: Although these health benefits sound wonderful, there is also a dangerous side to drinking whiskey. Alcoholism and binge drinking are both very detrimental to your overall health, and can undo any possible good things that moderate amounts of whiskey can impart. Therefore, be watchful of how much alcohol you consume, particularly if you try to drink small amounts every day. Your tolerance will increase, and you may feel the desire to continue drinking until you feel that “buzz”. That is a dangerous and unhealthy progression. Consume small to moderate amounts of whiskey for the best, healthiest results.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on January 10, 2015, 11:47:20 pm
Alcohol kills brain cells!

Yes, but only the weak ones...
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on January 11, 2015, 12:24:53 am
I tried Bulleit on a trip up to NJ early last month - very nice! The Wife currently owes me a bottle as a result of losing our bet on the World Series. ;)

Also, thought y'all might find this interesting (even outside of my unabashed fanboyness for their product, it's interesting):

Corsair Distillery, Bowling Green Kentucky Tour (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y1CqgQ7-DQ#ws)

A tour of the Corsair Distillery in Bowling Green, KY.

Its good whiskey.  Period.  Fanboy or not.  While I generally gravitate to single malt whisky (no "e"), when I want something a bit sweeter, Bulleit is a favorite.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: jamisjockey on January 11, 2015, 09:00:31 am
Ran out of Cruzan and have been finishing a bottle of Captain someone gave me for christmas. I've been drinking white rum for so long I forgot how sweet spiced rum is. 

Parents brought home a bottle of Naked Turtle.  MMMmmm so good, saving it for drinking with company.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on February 22, 2015, 01:28:52 pm
Was able to try some bulleit bourbon. It was decent, even if a bit harsher on the palate than my preferred scotch. I think I like knob creek better than bulleit.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: strangelittleman on February 22, 2015, 02:45:20 pm
  Try Buffalo Trace.....lovely Bourbon.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on February 22, 2015, 07:56:34 pm
  Try Buffalo Trace.....lovely Bourbon.

I just bought a bottle actually, I have been taking forever getting to open it up, but I was hoping it was a good purchase decision.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on February 22, 2015, 09:03:22 pm
Bourbon is, like Scotch, a bit of an acquired taste for most people.  The natural sweetness benefits from a bit more water than the drop or two a good dram of single malt calls for.  It can even be enjoyed with a bit of ice if you don't overdo it. 

I agree that Knob Creek is a better spirit than Bulleit.  Knob Creek comes pretty close to the ideal profile for bourbon IMO.  Seven to ten years in oak, bottled at 90 to 110 proof and with enough wheat in the mash to smooth and sweeten the corn.   No doubt about it - the folks at Beam know what they're doing when it comes to bourbon.  That said, it can sometimes be hard to justify the difference in price.

Knob Creek is about twenty to thirty percent higher in price than when it first made its debut in the market.  Back then it was a bargain but now its something I can live without unless I find it marked down from the suggested retail price.  A lot of folks tend to overlook Maker's Mark as its been around forever and predates most of the current "small batch" bourbon craze that has overtaken the market of late but its nothing to turn your nose up at.  A very respectable bourbon at a reasonable price.

Blanton's was probably the first of the "super premium" bourbons to come to market and it is still one of the best for my money but again, its hard to justify the price unless you've never had it and just have to satisfy your curiosity.  Weller's 107 Reserve is pretty similar for about 2/3 the price.   

The very best I've ever had is George T. Stagg from the good folks at the Buffallo Trace distillery.  There is simply nothing else quite like it in my experience.  Expensive and hard to get, it is worth the effort.  Call it a bucket list bourbon.   :cool   
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on February 22, 2015, 10:21:05 pm
Thanks coelacanth, insightful and knowledgeable as always  :cool.

Perhaps my next few experiments in spirits will be a deeper appreciation for the American produced spirit.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on February 23, 2015, 02:47:59 am
Thanks coelacanth, insightful and knowledgeable as always  :cool.

Perhaps my next few experiments in spirits will be a deeper appreciation for the American produced spirit.
While you're at it, don't overlook rye whiskey.  It has a flavor profile similar to bourbon but can have some sweet, spicy notes that most bourbon never achieves.  The American style is pretty fiery but the Canadians tone it down a bit.   
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on February 23, 2015, 06:14:39 pm
While you're at it, don't overlook rye whiskey.  It has a flavor profile similar to bourbon but can have some sweet, spicy notes that most bourbon never achieves.  The American style is pretty fiery but the Canadians tone it down a bit.

Recommendations in rye? I think the only rye I ever got a hold of was "wild turkey" or named something similiar.

The only Canadian whiskey that I am aware of trying is "Canadian Mist".
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on February 24, 2015, 09:31:10 pm
Rye whiskey is enjoying something of a resurgence these days - and justifiably so IMO. On the cheap you can go with Jim Beam rye for the same price as their bourbon and for that price I prefer it, although neither is anything to write home about.  For that price, though, you can buy a bottle of both and compare one to the other as an educational foray.  Also cheap is Old Overholt - sometimes referred to as Old Overcoat - again, not particularly memorable.  Bulleit also bottles a rye for the same price as their bourbon, and again, I prefer it to their bourbon for the price.  Neither is a bad whiskey, just not top tier quality.  Probably the class of the the current offerings is Sazerac to my way of thinking.  Definitely a step up from those previously listed. 

The Canadian rye is a bit harder to find and equates pretty closely to the difference between bourbon and most blended Canadian whiskey.  That is to say, its got a lighter character than most American spirits.  I recently tried a bottle of J.P. Wiser's Canadian Rye and found it enjoyable.  Decent straight or on the rocks and also pretty good over ice with some ginger ale if you're inclined toward that sort of thing. ( a weakness of Mrs. c's so I got to try a sip - not too shabby ) 

Hope that helps. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on February 24, 2015, 09:44:35 pm
 :thumbup1

IIRC, I think the bulleit I tried may have been rye, not sure now  :shrug.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on February 24, 2015, 09:49:31 pm
1)  Writing instrument.  Pen or pencil - your choice.  2) Small notebook.  Loose leaf or bound - your choice.  3) Tasting notes.  Or not - as they say, "You're not really lost if you don't care where you are."   :cool
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: louie the lumberjack on February 24, 2015, 10:13:17 pm
I have to agree wth Coelacanth.  I tried Sazerac recently and found it rather enjoyable.

louie the lumberjack
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: RetroGrouch on February 25, 2015, 01:26:25 am
My wife and I have found that after 3 tastings of wine, your taste goes out the window.  Same rule on any alcoholic beverage I would expect, so note that when taking notes.   ;)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on February 25, 2015, 09:28:29 am
My wife and I have found that after 3 tastings of wine, your taste goes out the window.  Same rule on any alcoholic beverage I would expect, so note that when taking notes.   ;)

Taste is reduced after 3 drinks, gotcha  :neener.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on February 25, 2015, 03:58:35 pm
I have to agree wth Coelacanth.  I tried Sazerac recently and found it rather enjoyable.

louie the lumberjack

Another affirmation for Sazerac rye.  Although a malt whisky (a/k/a single malt Scotch) fan, that rye is mighty tasty.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mikee5star on February 25, 2015, 06:34:33 pm
2
The only Canadian whiskey that I am aware of trying is "Canadian Mist".

Stay away from R&R unless you like rough.  I like the Canadian Club 12 year old.  I was, 5 years ago, finding it for $20-$22 a bottle.  Best $20 a bottle whiskey I have tried.  I like it better than Crown.  It is not Single Malt, but it is a whole lot more affordable.

Taste is reduced after 3 drinks, gotcha  :neener.
 

Back when I drank mixed drinks at the bar, I started with Stoli, and after the second it was well vodka. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on February 26, 2015, 02:34:08 am
OK, but vodka tastes like paint thinner to begin with so you're not losing much, eh?   :cool
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mikee5star on February 26, 2015, 05:44:19 pm
OK, but vodka tastes like paint thinner to begin with so you're not losing much, eh?   :cool

GOOD vodka tastes like paint thinner. Bad/cheap vodka tastes like gasoline.
R&R aspires to taste like gas.  I can't stand bourbon, but like Canadian whiskies okay.
I like Scotch especially single malts, but am not fond of the prices. I had a really top knotch Scotch once, but my friend was filling his flask randomly from his father in laws collection and had no clue what it was.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on March 03, 2015, 03:59:40 pm
While perusing the offerings in my favorite local liquor store, I saw a new expression of Oban single malt.  It is called "Little Bay".  It is reflective of some of the special bottlings from other major distillaries such as Laphroaig Quarter Cask, which have no age statement.

I have the "regular" Oban 14 in my collection and decided to pick Little Bay up for comparison, and because I have a cousin from Iowa visiting that loves Oban 14.   This is a very smooth single malt with much darker color and more rounded and fully developed flavors than the 14.  These type "no age statement" whiskies typically have some whiskies that may be as old as 30 years along with others much younger.

Oban is distinctive for having a more dry, slightly brine whiff of the sea, but without the medicinal qualities of the Islay whiskies.  It is on the western mainland, close to Fort William, placing it alongside a bay.  The character makes it ideal to enjoy with seafood.  I like it with oysters on the half shell.  The Little Bay expression maintains the seaside saltiness while adding some character to this ordinarily rather dry, but very tasty whisky. Only lightly peated, but enough smoke to know it's there.   Rather delicate in a delicious way.  If you see it and like this description, give it a try.  Maritime but without the iodine.

 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on March 03, 2015, 09:55:25 pm
Looks good!  :cool

It's too bad I recently spent my whisky fund.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on March 03, 2015, 10:07:25 pm
I did not know about that. Awesome!  I owe my stepfather some thanks for some work, and that looks like just the ticket (he likes his Oban ;) ).
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: louie the lumberjack on March 04, 2015, 09:43:39 pm
High West Rye.  Smooth, doesnt much sting the nostrils.  Not as spicy as others Ive tried.  Of course this bar Im sitting at serves way too much ice.   :eh

louie the lumberjack

Edit:  Asked to hit me again....this time neat.  Much better.  More fragrant this time.  Slight hint of fruitiness.  I may have to read up on this brand becasue it wouldn't much surprise me if this was a blend.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on March 07, 2015, 12:26:55 am
Thanks for the reviews.   :thumbup1   I've liked Oban since the first drop passed my lips so I may have to check out Little Bay.  I don't find the Islay malts objectionable but they are an acquired taste for most people.  Ten year old Laphroaig makes an awesome Rusty Nail,  :cool
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on March 07, 2015, 08:35:15 am
http://youtu.be/dp4isxDD5dE (http://youtu.be/dp4isxDD5dE)

While I don't like Laphroiag, I have absolutely enjoyed this series of commercials, and give the company props for doing it.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on March 07, 2015, 12:47:12 pm
Thanks for the reviews.   :thumbup1   I've liked Oban since the first drop passed my lips so I may have to check out Little Bay.  I don't find the Islay malts objectionable but they are an acquired taste for most people.  Ten year old Laphroaig makes an awesome Rusty Nail,  :cool

But does it beat the Talisker rusty nail?  ;)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on March 08, 2015, 03:31:00 am
Probably not.  I don't think that combo can be topped - especially over a distilled water ice cube.  :cool   There may actually be some sort of collusion going on there since they are both produced on the same island.  That said, the Rusty Nail cries out for a big, bold, assertive malt to offset the cloying sweetness of the Drambuie.  You just can't make it work with some delicate, floral highland or Speyside IMO.   Ten year old Laphroaig is pretty much the antithesis of that.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on March 08, 2015, 02:11:58 pm
Probably not.  I don't think that combo can be topped - especially over a distilled water ice cube.  :cool   There may actually be some sort of collusion going on there since they are both produced on the same island.  That said, the Rusty Nail cries out for a big, bold, assertive malt to offset the cloying sweetness of the Drambuie.  You just can't make it work with some delicate, floral highland or Speyside IMO.   Ten year old Laphroaig is pretty much the antithesis of that.

I concur.  It takes one of the more "medicinal" maritime malts to offset the sweetness.  The young 10 year Ardbeg might suit, too.  It may be even more assertive in that quality than Laphroaig 10.  As they get older, these great whiskies get more rounded and develop their own sweetness, making them much better alone, and wasted in a mixed drink.  Talisker 18, Lagavulin 16 and Ardbeg Uigeadail, especially the latter, at cask strength, are incredibly complex and need no help bit a drop or two of water.

But, a good Rusty Nail is worth selecting the right whisky ingredient.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on March 09, 2015, 09:53:44 pm
Agreed.   :thumbup1
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Raptor on May 18, 2015, 08:14:52 pm
Can't believe I'm saying this, but I think I've finally found my drink: Blue Moon Belgian White. It's an unfiltered Belgian-style spiced white ale. Very smooth, first beer I think I've had that's actually been refreshing, nice flavor without that bitter alcohol aftertaste. I think I've found a winner.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on May 18, 2015, 09:10:42 pm
Blue Moon's nice. You should also try Allagash White, if you can find it.  Very similar. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on May 18, 2015, 11:17:40 pm
My daughter, yes, my daughter (in her 30s) first put me onto Blue Moon.  It is smooth, light and refreshing, yet has real flavor.  She has a discriminating palate.  While I lean toward heavier, full bodied ales, it is a summertime favorite.  Got some in the frige now.  Hummmm, perhaps I shall partake.  Thanks for the reminder.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: RetroGrouch on May 19, 2015, 04:22:40 am
Allagash White is very good, but I have only ever found it in one bar.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on May 19, 2015, 08:44:04 am
There's a pizza shop near the house in Athens that has it on tap from time to time.

I'm going to miss that pizza shop...
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on May 19, 2015, 01:19:47 pm
It's seasonal but Blue Moon Mountain Abbey Ale is good stuff along with their Valencia Grove Amber. I buy a lot when they're available.  :thumbup1
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chief45 on May 20, 2015, 10:13:30 am
I've found a new tipple.   talking to a friend that has a winery in Michigan, who is also a bourbon drinker,  he was telling me about some nice 30 and 40 a bottle stuff.  could not find what he was talking about (Kansas is still out of the way for a lot of things) but while talking to the owner of the store, he suggested this one.

http://www.dhdistillery.com/dark-horse-distillery-reserve-bourbon-whiskey/

I'm on my second bottle now.  A finger, neat, is a very nice drink.   also, it was pretty cool in that, this is small batch,  each bottle is signed by the master distiller, and it has a cork and not a screw cap. 

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: ksuguy on May 20, 2015, 10:33:50 am
I think my cousin's bourbon is out now,  you should give that a try.  If you are ever in Wichita,  he will give you a tour of the place.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Chief45 on May 21, 2015, 10:23:50 am
His website says "anticipated release 2015",  so it does not look like it yet,  but I am keeping an eye out for his stuff also.  I've seen his Wheat State Vodka on the shelves, but I'm not much on Vodka . . .  :coffee
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: ksuguy on May 21, 2015, 11:51:40 am
I think he has had a few small test batches at the distillery,  but it might not be in wide distribution yet.  He gave me a bottle for Christmas,  but I haven't cracked it open yet.

The vodka is pretty good,  much smoother than any other I have tried and it mixes well.     
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on June 08, 2015, 03:26:14 pm
Have you ever found that Ryemaggedon?

Found it.  And it is AWESOME.

And it almost got me kicked out/arrested at a local pizza joint, but it was completely my fault...
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Buckeye Redneck on June 08, 2015, 11:17:25 pm
(http://www.stbcbeer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/grand_arbor_small.jpg)

Southern Tier Grand Arbor is fantastic. 

I have to admit to buying this one on the label alone,  figuring that a Belgian style maple ale would be tasty.  Sweet and dry.   Wish I'd have gotten 2  ;)
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on June 09, 2015, 02:25:40 am
Found it.  And it is AWESOME.

And it almost got me kicked out/arrested at a local pizza joint, but it was completely my fault...

I am so curious as to the drunken debauchery that occurred, but I will hold my peace  ;).
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on June 09, 2015, 07:57:45 am
Turns out bringing your own bottle into a place that serves is illegal... Who knew? :whistle

But the bartender agreed that it was very tasty...
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on June 09, 2015, 10:08:10 am
:thumbup1
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on June 09, 2015, 11:08:23 am
I'm gonna have to sneak some more back in for the other bartender - he was off that night.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on June 09, 2015, 11:26:28 am
I'm gonna have to sneak some more back in for the other bartender - he was off that night.

 :rotfl

Careful, I imagine that going to jail for sneaking alcohol into a bar is akin to going to jail for multiple offences of collecting rain water or for selling lemonade without a business license.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on June 09, 2015, 02:01:19 pm
Probably.

Spreading the good word is worth the risk, though...
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on June 09, 2015, 04:09:31 pm
Civil disobedience that I can actually appreciate for a change.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on June 09, 2015, 04:39:36 pm
At $46 a bottle, it's a little pricey for a pizza joint to be selling, even as top shelf.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on June 09, 2015, 09:02:48 pm
Just a quick note that Stone Brewing has retired their Ruination IPA.

And replaced it with Ruination 2.0.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on June 09, 2015, 09:32:04 pm
Speaking of IPAs, a friend of mine shared a bottle of Pliny the Elder with me.

Oh. My. God.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on June 10, 2015, 09:51:32 am
I will have to ask the manager at the local Total Wino about that one.  Russian River Brewing?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on June 10, 2015, 12:02:36 pm
http://russianriverbrewing.com/brews/pliny-the-elder/ (http://russianriverbrewing.com/brews/pliny-the-elder/)

http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/863/7971/ (http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/863/7971/)

Yup, but be prepared to be either laughed at, or (at the very least) giggled at.

My friend picked up two bottles while he was in California, and then they toured a few breweries in Oregon before coming home. Whenever he mentioned he had two bottles of Pliny, he was offered his pick of their stock for one bottle.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on June 10, 2015, 01:14:41 pm
Well, I won't be going to CA anytime soon...maybe I'll see if I can find a place in WA that might have it while I'm there
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on June 30, 2015, 02:31:20 pm
http://www.thrillist.com/drink/nation/the-best-whiskeys-for-your-money (http://www.thrillist.com/drink/nation/the-best-whiskeys-for-your-money)

While Corsair's Quinoa Whiskey makes an appearance, there are a few others I thought y'all would find interesting.

Not sure I could bring myself to buy a bottle of Blackadder's Peat Reek...  :scrutiny
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Raptor on August 25, 2015, 02:18:43 am
Quick question for y'all: can anyone recommend a good pilsner?

Sent from my XT1032 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on August 25, 2015, 11:14:06 pm
Pilsner Urquell .   Its a Czech original -  very nice. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on August 26, 2015, 12:53:03 am
Pilsner Urquell .   Its a Czech original -  very nice.

It is, indeed!  Here,the distributor or the middleman frequently fails to properly protect the beer.  Exposure of the green bottles to sunlight and then not keeping them cool tends to seriously degrade taste.  When cared for properly it is great.  Brown bottles would help keep it from turning "skunky." I heard that it may be in brown now, since I tried it last.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on August 26, 2015, 01:10:17 am
Just quaffed this down.  But, slowly, savoring the time honored honesty and integrity of true Trappist brewing.  Superb.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on August 26, 2015, 01:20:54 am
 :thumbup1   Just had a nice English IPA from Trader Joe's .  They call it "The King's English" .   
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on August 26, 2015, 09:10:53 am
Pilsner Urquell .   Its a Czech original -  very nice. 

If memory serves, Budvar Budweis (marketed in this country as Czechweis due to trademark disputes with Anheiser-Busch) was also quite good.

Of course, I was drinking it in Germany, where it didn't have nearly as far to travel.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on August 26, 2015, 11:03:22 am
Mods, can we get a "like" button?  That Trappist... :cool


Stella Artois is another Pilsner to try.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on September 14, 2015, 08:19:36 pm
There are many less than stellar alcohol ads out there, but this one is different. Contemplated posting it in awesomeness for sheer novelty, but meh. Here is more appropriate.

Might have to try this one, as I am cynical towards good Irish whisky. Many seem a bit harsh in my opinion.

https://youtu.be/WepiuDT_Zrs

ETA: They have a single malt. Yep. Definitely going to have to try this at somepoint.

http://www.tullamoredew.com/us-en/products/10-year-old-single-malt
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on September 14, 2015, 09:03:47 pm
Had some Tullamore Dew while I was in Ireland - quite nice, but ended up bringing home a bottle of Knappogue Castle 12 yr single malt instead, at the suggestion of the shop owner.

Haven't cracked it yet, nor the bottle of Jameson's 12 yr Reserve...
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on September 14, 2015, 09:23:17 pm
Jameson is interesting in that it seems to hold the title of being the Irish whiskey in the states, I find little reason to consume it other than that sentimentality. Perhaps if I spent more time with it, it may grow on me (as I have only had it from friend's supplies).

Come to think of it, my friends just might buy the cheaper of the the brand. I'll have to see what Jameson has to offer.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on September 14, 2015, 09:39:20 pm
Actually Jameson's is a whole line of Irish whiskeys of which the namesake is just the most prevalent.  "Redbreast" is a bit more refined with a little more time in the cask.  Maybe worthwhile or not - depending on your affinity for the Irish spirit.

I tried a newcomer to the fray a while back called 2 Gingers .  Not bad.   Not bad at all.  I decided to buy a second bottle which I consider the hallmark of any whiskey worthy of consideration to include in the seasonal rotation.  Seems to me that it is very near to Jameson's in terms of quality and usually can be found at something of a discount due to its newness to the market.  It is not my intent to take advantage of someone else's marketing misfortune but dollars don't come easy these days and they are spent wisely or not at all if I have anything to say about it.  ( And I usually don't.  Just ask my wife.   :facepalm  ) 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on September 15, 2015, 04:11:35 pm
Bushmills 16 year old single malt is pretty tasty when it comes to irish drams.  It is triple wood finished if I recall.  While not a fan of portwood finishes on whisky in general, it ain't too shabby.

Changing the subject a bit, I've just returned from a week in Lebanon.  I was doing some work as a part of a team assisting Syrian refugees in Tyre, which is just a few miles from the Israeli border, in Hezbollah controlled territory.  Yeah, call me crazy.   I can't go into detail about our work beyond that we were a US Christian medical team doing volunteer work under a visa connecting us with a particular Lebanese evangelical church.   The conditions were not very pleasant, as you can probably appreciate, and the local Imam was polite but very emphatic that we not attempt any proselytizing of the refugees, who were 90% Shia Muslim and mostly women and children.  If you have any doubts that someone, either Asad or the "rebels" (fundamentalist wackos in the extreme), I have photographic evidence of the use of chemical weapons on these civilians.  This is a humanitarian tragedy beginning to approach the proportions of the Holocaust.  Lebanon has absorbed at least 1.1 million Syrian refugees, perhaps as many as 1.5 million and has a government that is on the verge of collapse from its own problems.   Even Hezbollah, which I despise with my entire being, has realized that the largest percentage of those refugees are in its own back yard and beyond any possibility of receiving any meaningful assistance from them.  So, they begrudgingly let even Christians come in to help as long as we don't do anything overt to challenge their iron fist.  Lots of AK toters, for sure.  We saw, triaged, and treated over 800 refugees while in country.  That's a drop in the bucket, but every little bit helps those who receive it.   And it showed them that Americans are not what their Imam and Hezbollah make us out to be.

Anyway, on our last day in country, we ventured up the coastline to Byblos and enjoyed a dinner at a well-regarded local seafood restaurant.  I decided to try the local beer, a dark lager, Almaza, that was surprisingly tasty.  Worked well with fried calamari.

 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on September 15, 2015, 06:01:21 pm
Bushmills 16 yo you say? :hmm

Very interesting, Mississippi.

What type of medical personell are you? It seems we don't have many in the medical field here on WTA. Which is a shame.

Almaza. Most likely something I'll never get to try here in the states and even if I did, my pallete doesn't enjoy beer :hide.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on September 16, 2015, 06:31:45 pm
I'm really not medical personnel in the sense of a provider.  I am in medical administration.  My role in the trip was logistical, assembling the team, making sure we had the equipment and supplies we needed, the proper paperwork in place both in the US and in Lebanon to get prescription meds and medical instruments, sharps, needles, IV vials and such in and out of the country.  When on site, I ran the makeshift pharmacy to fill the prescriptions written by the docs and dentist for the refugees.

Yeah, Bushmills 16 is a true single malt.  It is triple wood aged, with a finish in portwood.  Pretty tasty.  It is the only Irish true single malt I have at the moment.   It is similar to Glenmorangie Portwood Finish, although I prefer the latter a bit.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on September 16, 2015, 07:07:01 pm
 :thumbup1
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on July 02, 2016, 09:45:25 pm
Just a heads up .    I was at Costco earlier and they had an $8.00 per bottle instant coupon on Laphroaig 10 year old.  That brings the price down to $29.99 out the door plus tax.   I haven't seen that stuff for less than $35.00 a bottle for years.  Oddly enough, one followed me home and is now squirreled away waiting for cooler temperatures.    :cool
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on July 02, 2016, 11:57:05 pm
I'm in Pensacola on vacation. Cheaper and quicker for me to set fire to some swampgrass and use 'em as straws for swampwater. :neener
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on July 03, 2016, 12:10:55 am
Whatever works for you is fine by me.   :cool
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Kaso on April 15, 2017, 08:26:53 pm
Reviving this per Chris's request:

I really do not drink much at all.  I certainly don't do it to the point of intoxication, and so much of the appeal is lost on me.  I do not like beer - it upsets my stomach - and wine isn't much better... 

The only thing I really 'like' drinking is Kirschwasser - cherry brandy.  Not 'cherry flavored,' this stuff is actually made by distilling Black Forest cherries into liquor.  The cherry flavor is very faint, almost not even there.  Not a 'sweet drink,' but a subtle, smooth flavor.  Very tasty... but it costs.  Over $40 a bottle in the PA state liquor stores.

https://www.schladerer.de/en/fruit-brandies-liqueurs/details/hausbrennerei/schwarzwaelder-kirschwasser.html
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on April 15, 2017, 10:31:33 pm
Reviving this per Chris's request:

I really do not drink much at all.  I certainly don't do it to the point of intoxication, and so much of the appeal is lost on me.  I do not like beer - it upsets my stomach - and wine isn't much better... 

The only thing I really 'like' drinking is Kirschwasser - cherry brandy.  Not 'cherry flavored,' this stuff is actually made by distilling Black Forest cherries into liquor.  The cherry flavor is very faint, almost not even there.  Not a 'sweet drink,' but a subtle, smooth flavor.  Very tasty... but it costs.  Over $40 a bottle in the PA state liquor stores.

https://www.schladerer.de/en/fruit-brandies-liqueurs/details/hausbrennerei/schwarzwaelder-kirschwasser.html

Thank you, Kaso  :cool.

How do you typically drink this? I'm not very familiar with Brandy, so I'm not sure if room temp, chilled, neat, or mixed is the appropriate method.


In the spirit of reviving this thread, name off your favourite Vodka. I pretty well know my taste in whisky now, but sometimes a guy wants the refreshing taste of paint remover over ice  :neener.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Kaso on April 15, 2017, 11:22:02 pm
I don't know how it is 'supposed' to be drunk...  I sip it at room temperature.  :shrug  Drinking it cold, or fast, I wouldn't be able to taste it as well.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on April 15, 2017, 11:24:05 pm
Russian Standard.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on April 15, 2017, 11:31:09 pm
Russian Standard.

I can tell that it's my bed time. I misread this as "Military Special" at first. Whether vodka or whiskey, that brand in the PX is so bad that even my alcoholic enlisted buddies won't touch it. I've heard some horror stories about it :hide .

I think the last bottle of Vodka I had was Russian Standard Platinum. It was quite good! I also had Kalashnikov vodka, because of my love for the rifle. Even my username is derived from the maker of both the rifle and the vodka Michail T. Kalashnikov.

I don't know how it is 'supposed' to be drunk...  I sip it at room temperature.  :shrug  Drinking it cold, or fast, I wouldn't be able to taste it as well.

 :thumbup1
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on April 15, 2017, 11:49:20 pm
Vodka .  .  .   :hmm   .  .  .  whatever kind I'm not forced to drink.   :cool   Actually, Ketel One isn't too bad.  Especially if you dilute it with grapefruit juice and a dash of Dry or Blue Curacao over ice. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: LowKey on April 16, 2017, 04:52:20 am
Beer before liquor, never been sicker.  Liquor before beer, you're in the clear.


-T.
One of the Lost Commandments-

Thou Shall Not Mix Grape With Grain.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Roper1911 on April 16, 2017, 08:05:40 am
I'm personally partial to high rye bourbons and rye whiskey,
I've had Jameson and it was an utter disappointment.

My current go to is Bulleit. Its got a nice sweet peppery taste to it and it's super smooth compared to the Jim beam black I used to get.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Buckeye Redneck on April 17, 2017, 09:51:37 pm
Did someone say Military Special???

I've had this in my liquor cabinet for years.  We tried it for the lolz once and it's pretty awful.


It's been a long time, but IIRC the MS Rum wasn't horrible when used as a mixer.  At the same time,  a Lance Criminal will drink anything...

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on April 17, 2017, 11:40:34 pm
Sort of like the command, "Fire for effect!" .  .  .   :cool
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Grant on April 18, 2017, 08:20:07 am
   Favorite vodka is probably Sobieski.  Very smooth for a good price.   Russian Standard is good as well.  Svedka is okay, mainly because it's about the only Swedish liquor around.   

 Seagrams and/or Lewis and Clark Vodka is good for mixing.

   
   I'll admit my main drink involves vodka somehow.  My bar is stocked with some of everything, but Sobieski vodka, Lord Calvert and Black Velvet Canadian whiskey are the most used of them.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on May 08, 2017, 11:14:35 pm
Not sure how to open a thread poll here.

By your taste: Bulleit bourbon (the standard, non-10 year old bourbon) vs Knob Creek small batch 9 year old? Which is better?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on May 09, 2017, 12:02:05 am
Just as a stand alone comparison regardless of other considerations besides taste, I would choose the Knob Creek.  It has a good, full bodied character and a slightly higher proof - both gentled by the additional aging.  It is unmistakably a Beam product but to those of us who have been drinking Beam bourbon for many years that is no impediment. 

As to the question, "Which is better?" I would ask you to define "better".    :coffee    Assemble a panel of experienced bourbon connoiseurs and give them both spirits in a blind taste test and I think most would arrive at the same conclusion I have.  That said, Bulleit is a pretty good glass of bourbon in its own right and can usually be had for less money than the Knob Creek.  Neither is so expensive that it is beyond the means of people determined to arrive at their own conclusion.

Generally speaking, I prefer higher proof bourbon regardless of its age.  I think 86 proof is about right for many recipes but some are better at 100 proof or even higher.  The highest I have personally enjoyed was a bottle of George T. Stagg bottled at 141 proof for that particular batch.  It was, and is, a barrel strength unfiltered spirit that has usually spent up to 15 years in the wood.  Awesome stuff but not for the faint of heart at the cash register. 

Asking who makes the "best" bourbon is like asking who has the prettiest girl friend or who has the best hunting dog or who the best NASCAR driver is - its a good way to start an argument but if you just wanted information you should have probably gone to the library.   :cool

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on May 09, 2017, 09:13:19 am
Yeah, talk about tossing a golden apple into the room... "For the fairest," indeed...
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on May 09, 2017, 11:19:38 am
Just as a stand alone comparison regardless of other considerations besides taste, I would choose the Knob Creek.  It has a good, full bodied character and a slightly higher proof - both gentled by the additional aging.  It is unmistakably a Beam product but to those of us who have been drinking Beam bourbon for many years that is no impediment. 

As to the question, "Which is better?" I would ask you to define "better".    :coffee    Assemble a panel of experienced bourbon connoiseurs and give them both spirits in a blind taste test and I think most would arrive at the same conclusion I have.  That said, Bulleit is a pretty good glass of bourbon in its own right and can usually be had for less money than the Knob Creek.  Neither is so expensive that it is beyond the means of people determined to arrive at their own conclusion.

Generally speaking, I prefer higher proof bourbon regardless of its age.  I think 86 proof is about right for many recipes but some are better at 100 proof or even higher.  The highest I have personally enjoyed was a bottle of George T. Stagg bottled at 141 proof for that particular batch.  It was, and is, a barrel strength unfiltered spirit that has usually spent up to 15 years in the wood.  Awesome stuff but not for the faint of heart at the cash register. 

Asking who makes the "best" bourbon is like asking who has the prettiest girl friend or who has the best hunting dog or who the best NASCAR driver is - its a good way to start an argument but if you just wanted information you should have probably gone to the library.   :cool

Please clarify what you mean by it is unmistakably a Jim Beam product? I don't see why that would impede anyone from consuming a good product, after all, it is merely a brand.

I tried some bulleit years ago and I have a freshly unopened bottle in my kitchen right now and a half finished bottle of knob creek. I'm trying to be a responsible adult and finish one bottle of hard liquor before I move onto opening the next  :neener.

I like Talisker and Laprohaig and I believe that I enjoyed bulleit when I had it. So far though, in my few years pursuing fine spirits, I have developed a particular fondness of knob creek 9 yr and Speyburn 10.

I have also tried buffalo trace and sadly, I didn't care for that one so much.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on May 09, 2017, 05:29:05 pm
Well, in that case, it appears you like the Beam family recipes.  Saying bourbon is like saying cake.  There are as many recipes as you'd care to look up.  There are certain guidelines that have to be followed if the spirit in question is to be labeled "Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whiskey" or even "Bottled in Bond".   Every distillery has recipes they use and the real trick is to get consistency from year to year or even decade to decade.  If you taste various bourbons from different distilleries that are all approximately the same proof and the same age - say three or four year old 80 proof - you will notice distinct differences between them.  That is due to the difference in recipes and blending techniques. 

When I referred to Knob Creek as being an unmistakably Beam produced bourbon I was simply referring to the Beam style of bourbon.  I like it as well and it is certainly no impediment to enjoying the stuff.  If I left you with that impression I apologize. 

I was more fond of the Knob Creek bourbon when it first appeared on the market.  It seems to have undergone a slight recipe change or something and the price has gone up significantly.  I suppose my taste could have changed to some degree but I have been drinking bourbon for the better part of the last fifty years and I can say with some certainty that at this point I tend to notice even fairly small details in a glass of it.  These days it seems I can usually can find a bourbon I like as well or nearly as well as Knob Creek for less money.   


Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on May 09, 2017, 06:21:31 pm
You didn't so much give me the impression that you didn't like beam products as you did that others have felt beam products leave something to be desired. It just perplexed me, as at this point I'd probably pick a beam product over Jack Daniel's. As long as we are talking about mass produced, big brand whiskeys  :cool.

ETA: would you mind listing off some of the whiskeys you feel are a good competitor to knob creek? For science purposes  ;).
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on May 09, 2017, 06:34:01 pm
Most bourbon drinkers with at least a nodding familiarity with the spirit have come to recognize the Beam style.  Most people seem to like it because last I heard Jim Beam distills and bottles more of the stuff than any other bourbon distiller.   And for the record, Jack Daniels is not technically a bourbon.  It is a Tennessee Sour Mash whiskey.  That said, the difference is probably about like the difference between 100% Vermont maple syrup and 100% Canadian maple syrup produced 5 miles further north.  They are functionally the same thing just tangled up in marketing intricacies. 

I referred earlier to the recipes for bourbon but within the distilling industry it is actually called a "mash bill".   Do a web search for that term or go to the site below.  He has a theory that there are only three "recipes" involved no matter what kind of bourbon you are drinking.  I think he's right about that.  Knowledge is power - go forth and learn.   :cool

Perhaps this will help :  www.whiskeyprof.com

In the interest of furthering scientific inquiry:   W.L. Weller 12 year old        Willet Pot Still Reserve       Jim Beam Double Oak      Four Roses Single Barrel       Evan Williams Single Barrel       Eagle Rare 10 year old       :  these ought to be pretty available middle of the road bourbons that are close to Knob Creek in price and quality. 

If you want a decent glass of bourbon that won't cost you the equivalent of a tank of gas try these:   Evan Williams ( Black Label is 86 proof and the White Label is 100 proof )  Old Weller Antique - Original 107 Brand   
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Roper1911 on May 09, 2017, 10:18:23 pm
Not sure how to open a thread poll here.

By your taste: Bulleit bourbon (the standard, non-10 year old bourbon) vs Knob Creek small batch 9 year old? Which is better?
Bulleit is more rye-y. kinda a sweet, peppery taste. it's 68% corn, 28% rye, 4% malt.
Knob Creek is pretty much all corn. 73% of it. with 13% rye, and 10% barley. it's going to be a bit sharper tasting, more apple/apricot and fruit flavors. much less pepper.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on May 09, 2017, 10:31:58 pm
Most bourbon drinkers with at least a nodding familiarity with the spirit have come to recognize the Beam style.  Most people seem to like it because last I heard Jim Beam distills and bottles more of the stuff than any other bourbon distiller.   And for the record, Jack Daniels is not technically a bourbon.  It is a Tennessee Sour Mash whiskey.  That said, the difference is probably about like the difference between 100% Vermont maple syrup and 100% Canadian maple syrup produced 5 miles further north.  They are functionally the same thing just tangled up in marketing intricacies. 

I referred earlier to the recipes for bourbon but within the distilling industry it is actually called a "mash bill".   Do a web search for that term or go to the site below.  He has a theory that there are only three "recipes" involved no matter what kind of bourbon you are drinking.  I think he's right about that.  Knowledge is power - go forth and learn.   :cool

Perhaps this will help :  www.whiskeyprof.com

In the interest of furthering scientific inquiry:   W.L. Weller 12 year old        Willet Pot Still Reserve       Jim Beam Double Oak      Four Roses Single Barrel       Evan Williams Single Barrel       Eagle Rare 10 year old       :  these ought to be pretty available middle of the road bourbons that are close to Knob Creek in price and quality. 

If you want a decent glass of bourbon that won't cost you the equivalent of a tank of gas try these:   Evan Williams ( Black Label is 86 proof and the White Label is 100 proof )  Old Weller Antique - Original 107 Brand

Thanks coelacanth! I can always count on you to do a good job of corrupting me  ;).

Bulleit is more rye-y. kinda a sweet, peppery taste. it's 68% corn, 28% rye, 4% malt.
Knob Creek is pretty much all corn. 73% of it. with 13% rye, and 10% barley. it's going to be a bit sharper tasting, more apple/apricot and fruit flavors. much less pepper.

It seems I'm stuck in the middle then. For instance, I have noticed the more fruit flavours in knob creek compared to other American whiskey, and that really appeals to me. You can definitely taste it in my other favourite, speyburn 10, although that scotch takes the citrus fruits and hits you upside the head with them.

The other scotch mentioned, Talisker, while I enjoy the smokiness of it, I really enjoy the pepperiness of it. It seems that one cannot have fruity and peppery in the same whisky. Interesting.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Roper1911 on May 09, 2017, 10:38:58 pm
from what I gather, malt is kinda fruity, Rye is kinda peppery.
both are more of a light finish, so they'd be hard to balance together.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on May 09, 2017, 10:43:35 pm
Since we're on bourbon, l'll just throw this out there: Leadslinger's Bourbon Whiskey (https://www.leadslingerswhiskey.com/bourbon-whiskey) (they also make rye whiskey, rum, and cinnamon whiskey).

I'm far from a whiskey conisseur, but I think it's great, and even the Mrs thinks it smells terrific.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on July 03, 2017, 12:40:43 am
Has anyone tried Adburg Corryvrekkan and would they recommend it? Would you recommend it over Laphroaig or Talisker?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Roper1911 on July 03, 2017, 05:59:40 pm
I've never had it personally. (My scotch experience is limited to a single bottle of Glenlivet 12.) but from the online description of the taste I'd probably love it. I'm a sucker for an aggressive whiskey.
if you want to just try it https://www.masterofmalt.com/ (https://www.masterofmalt.com/) offers single dram testers for most of their whiskeys/whiskys.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Buckeye Redneck on July 04, 2017, 09:47:10 pm
Has anyone tried Adburg Corryvrekkan and would they recommend it? Would you recommend it over Laphroaig or Talisker?

Haven't tried that, but the one bottle of Talisker Storm I drank was epic.  Haven't seen another in the state stores, and the only reason I bought the first was coming home from several weeks in the field and having money to burn.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on July 04, 2017, 10:46:08 pm
Haven't tried that, but the one bottle of Talisker Storm I drank was epic.  Haven't seen another in the state stores, and the only reason I bought the first was coming home from several weeks in the field and having money to burn.

I tried the Talisker 10yo, but $70 is a little steep in my current economic climate. I also prefer Speyside whisky's.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Buckeye Redneck on July 04, 2017, 10:53:09 pm
Should you end up in a situation to treat yourself, it's worth 70 bucks.  I think I paid like 45 at the PX,  and at the time with no prior knowledge, it seemed like a good deal.  Should've  got a case.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on July 04, 2017, 11:15:53 pm
Should you end up in a situation to treat yourself, it's worth 70 bucks.  I think I paid like 45 at the PX,  and at the time with no prior knowledge, it seemed like a good deal.  Should've  got a case.

I might have to. I've never heard of Talisker storm before, is it a step above the 10yo? I think my next island whisky will be Laprohaig.

Eta: I'm hoping coelacanth can answer the original question about the Adburg.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on July 06, 2017, 11:08:14 pm
I haven't tried it either but I'm resigned to the fact that I will never live long enough to try all the different brands and expressions available within the world of Scottish spirits.  I did, however, find a bottle of something called Glen Cullen at Safeway when I was on vacation a while back.  It is labelled as a 10 year old Speyside single malt and they're selling it for $20 a bottle as of last week.  Its not great but it doesn't suck either so for the price it might be worth a look.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on July 06, 2017, 11:42:01 pm
I haven't tried it either but I'm resigned to the fact that I will never live long enough to try all the different brands and expressions available within the world of Scottish spirits.  I did, however, find a bottle of something called Glen Cullen at Safeway when I was on vacation a while back.  It is labelled as a 10 year old Speyside single malt and they're selling it for $20 a bottle as of last week.  Its not great but it doesn't suck either so for the price it might be worth a look.

Interesting. I might have to.

It's a shame that you haven't tried the adburg. I thought for certain you'd have had it at least once before.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on July 07, 2017, 09:17:53 am
I haven't tried it either but I'm resigned to the fact that I will never live long enough to try all the different brands and expressions available within the world of Scottish spirits. 

Look at it this way: if you tried, you wouldn't (or, at least, your liver wouldn't).
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on July 07, 2017, 10:42:44 pm
Well, I was referring to the fact that there are many that are no longer made but still available to buy from stocks being aged by collectors and also to the fact that new labelings appear every year, but your point is well taken.   I am comforted by the fact that although my liver is no longer the pristeen specimen it was in my youth, it was a noble sacrifice to allow my palate to experience the wonderment of highland single malt. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on July 07, 2017, 10:52:17 pm
Well, I was referring to the fact that there are many that are no longer made but still available to buy from stocks being aged by collectors and also to the fact that new labelings appear every year, but your point is well taken.   I am comforted by the fact that although my liver is no longer the pristeen specimen it was in my youth, it was a noble sacrifice to allow my palate to experience the wonderment of highland single malt.

Of all the scotches, I have tried very little of the highland one's. Mostly lowlands and islays.

I need to fix this.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on July 07, 2017, 11:13:29 pm
Nothing wrong with a good Speyside.  All of the island spirits have a fairly distinct character ( technically all Scotch is produced on an island but the reference is usually reserved for the stuff from the Hebrides and the Shetlands ) as do most of the highland malts but there's plenty of good stuff produced all over the country.  If the worst thing I ever had to drink was a bottle of Auchentoshan or Glenkinchie I'd count myself fortunate.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on July 07, 2017, 11:49:23 pm
Nothing wrong with a good Speyside.  All of the island spirits have a fairly distinct character ( technically all Scotch is produced on an island but the reference is usually reserved for the stuff from the Hebrides and the Shetlands ) as do most of the highland malts but there's plenty of good stuff produced all over the country.  If the worst thing I ever had to drink was a bottle of Auchentoshan or Glenkinchie I'd count myself fortunate.

*Scratches those off the list of things to not try*  :cool
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Raptor on July 07, 2017, 11:52:38 pm
Out of curiosity, has anyone tried any of the "legal moonshine" that's popped onto the market over the last few years?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on July 08, 2017, 12:30:10 am
Out of curiosity, has anyone tried any of the "legal moonshine" that's popped onto the market over the last few years?

Nope. If it has a label, then it ain't moonshine  :cool.

My friend bought some solely with the intention of harnessing its physical effects (the brand of moonshine with the cherries in it). He downed it and was sorely disappointed as drunkenness was not achieved.

This friend however can finish off a bottle of Evan Williams in 4 days  :shocked, so... He's experienced. I think drinking was part of his training in infantry or something.

Are you curious on trying some? I thought you said that hard liquor of any sort destroyed you. I've never had moonshine before and it was always a little too expensive for me to want to try it. The price of it exceeded my interest in it.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Raptor on July 08, 2017, 12:45:54 am
I admit that I am curious, and my reflux has actually gotten better (well, not as bad) over the last few years. And if I recall correctly, the only drink with hard liquor/spirits I've ever had was Vodka & orange juice, and the citrus certainly didn't do me any favors. Though even a single sip of wine will still set my reflux off pretty bad.

Mostly, my interest comes from me thinking about making it (or a flavored variant) the beverage of choice of a character in a story I'm planning out.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on July 08, 2017, 09:28:09 pm
I agree with the sentiment about labels.  Straight corn right off the still is usually referred to as "white dog" or some other such colorful appellation and it can be OK as far as unaged spirits go but "moonshine" has to be produced in small batches in a deep holler somewhere by folks who would face jail time for their temerity.  Otherwise its just got no street cred. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on July 08, 2017, 09:38:56 pm
I agree with the sentiment about labels.  Straight corn right off the still is usually referred to as "white dog" or some other such colorful appellation and it can be OK as far as unaged spirits go but "moonshine" has to be produced in small batches in a deep holler somewhere by folks who would face jail time for their temerity.  Otherwise its just got no street cred.

Agreed, credibility is everything. I would liken the title of "moonshine" to the title of "rapper".

The store stuff and the backwoods stuff are both classified as 'moonshine', but one is and one isn't.

With rappers for instance, 50 cent was shot 9 times in the street, while the most conflict Kanye West has ever seen has been angry tweets through the internet. Both are 'rappers' in title, but you tell me which one has more 'street cred'?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on July 08, 2017, 09:45:13 pm
Well, I wouldn't know a rapper from a wrapper but if something is produced in thousand gallon batches, labelled and stocked for sale on the shelves of the local liquor emporium along with several other competing brands of the same basic product its just not "moonshine".   Cheap, unaged whiskey maybe - overpriced almost certainly - but definitely not "moonshine". 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Roper1911 on July 08, 2017, 11:15:44 pm
Well, I wouldn't know a rapper from a wrapper but if something is produced in thousand gallon batches, labelled and stocked for sale on the shelves of the local liquor emporium along with several other competing brands of the same basic product its just not "moonshine".   Cheap, unaged whiskey maybe - overpriced almost certainly - but definitely not "moonshine". 
white dog whiskey is the shelf bought 'moonshine'
unfiltered grain/corn liquor that still has the parent grain flavor. if you want to age your own whiskeys- start with good quality, high proof white dog.
Vs. neutral spirits like everclear. which is filtered and doesn't have those grain notes. everclear is a good base for making bitters
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: cpaspr on July 09, 2017, 04:03:49 pm
white dog whiskey is the shelf bought 'moonshine'
unfiltered grain/corn liquor that still has the parent grain flavor. if you want to age your own whiskeys- start with good quality, high proof white dog.
Vs. neutral spirits like everclear. which is filtered and doesn't have those grain notes. everclear is a good base for making bitters

Everclear is a good base for lots of stuff. 

In college we mixed 8 oz of Everclear to 64 oz of Hawaiian Punch Fruit Juicy Red.  We were having a nice quiet evening interlude when the Head Resident knocked on the door (we might have both been under 21, but the statute of limitations ran out decades ago).  My buddy (one of her RAs) handed her a small glass.  She drank it down, and probably never figured out it was spiked.  One time the only bottle we had available to mix in was 64 oz total capacity.  Mixed it 8 oz to 56 oz.  Now that one was a bit more potent!
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on July 09, 2017, 04:24:41 pm
Yikes!  :shocked     I guess you can drink it but I mostly use that stuff for cleaning purposes.   
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on July 09, 2017, 04:44:52 pm
I'll stick with just the Hawaiian punch, thanks  :rotfl.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: goatroper on July 09, 2017, 06:47:16 pm
Some wise words on the subject:

 “Too much of anything is bad, but too much good whiskey is barely enough.”

                                                                          - Mark Twain


“Ninety percent I’ll spend on good times, women, and Irish Whiskey. The other ten percent I’ll probably waste.”

                                                                          - Tug McGraw


“I’m on a whisky diet. I’ve lost three days already.”

                                                                          - Tommy Cooper


More at:  http://firstwefeast.com/drink/25-whiskey-quotes-from-famous-drinkers/
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on July 09, 2017, 06:59:14 pm
My buddies uncle makes some wild plum 'wine' from time to time. It varies from very good wine to decent brandy. He never seems to get his mix right and it comes in anywhere from like 4% to 25% or so alcohol.

Buddy and I finished a bottle this Sunday, and it was getting difficult to successfully navigate the door from the garage to the house. So I assume that batch was towards the 20% side of things.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on July 09, 2017, 07:06:31 pm
Some wise words on the subject:

 “Too much of anything is bad, but too much good whiskey is barely enough.”

                                                                          - Mark Twain


“Ninety percent I’ll spend on good times, women, and Irish Whiskey. The other ten percent I’ll probably waste.”

                                                                          - Tug McGraw


“I’m on a whisky diet. I’ve lost three days already.”

                                                                          - Tommy Cooper



More at:  http://firstwefeast.com/drink/25-whiskey-quotes-from-famous-drinkers/

 :rotfl

My buddies uncle makes some wild plum 'wine' from time to time. It varies from very good wine to decent brandy. He never seems to get his mix right and it comes in anywhere from like 4% to 25% or so alcohol.

Buddy and I finished a bottle this Sunday, and it was getting difficult to successfully navigate the door from the garage to the house. So I assume that batch was towards the 20% side of things.

 :rotfl Plum brandy sounds lovely. If you and one other friend finished a bottle between the two of you, it must be good.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mikee5star on November 15, 2017, 12:36:49 am
I spent a couple of hours re-reading this thread last night as I have been thinking about scotch lately.  And wanted to make a list of the recommendations to check out at the liquor store.

My boss is a bourbon drinker, and I have determined that I really don't care for bourbon at all.  I had some rye a couple of months ago also and did not like it much at all. 

Last week I had some Costco blended scotch and liked it, but it seemed very light no lingering flavors.

So tonight I stopped off at a couple of stores and ended up coming home with a bottle of Highland Park 12 year.  I had a finger tonight after dinner, and it is going to be an acquired taste.   I like it, but it is not something that I am used drinking. (5 or 6 hard drinks in the last 6 years.)  I really wanted to try Oban, but did not see any.

On the beer front I have been enjoying quite a bit of brown ale lately.  Denali brewing specifically.  I have been working out of town several days a week for the last 4-6 weeks and being on my own I am finding myself enjoying a beer or a drink before dinner again. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: First Shirt on November 15, 2017, 03:16:43 pm
Around here, we keep some 12-YO Jamesons, some Marker's Mark, and some homemade who-hit-John.  (Gotta be careful with that stuff, it will raise a blister on a boot sole, and make you shoot at revenuers.  And miss!)  We don't really drink it, but we're helping a friend carry on a family tradition, since he's afraid that if he shuts the still down, his ancestors will come back and haunt him.  We also keep a bottle of Scotch, for people who can't drink whiskey.

Don't care for wine, but my favorite beers have been described as "liquid bread in a bottle."  Starting point being Yeungling's Black and Tan.  Although a cold Angry Orchard hard apple cider is really nice, on a hot day.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on November 15, 2017, 03:30:36 pm
I ordered a black'n'tan at a Beef O'Brady's once, to go with dinner.

When the waitress brought it, she was clearly trying to hold in laughter. Said she'd never seen a bartender have a meltdown having troubles doing a pourover before.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: First Shirt on November 15, 2017, 03:58:22 pm
I ordered a black'n'tan at a Beef O'Brady's once, to go with dinner.

When the waitress brought it, she was clearly trying to hold in laughter. Said she'd never seen a bartender have a meltdown having troubles doing a pourover before.

Is that the 10% Rule in action?  I.E., you have to be 10% smarter than the equipment you're working with. :D

There used to be a lady bartender at The Dubliner, in Omaha, who would not charge you for a draft beer if it had more than 1/2" of head on it.  She didn't give away very many beers, either!
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on November 15, 2017, 04:53:06 pm
Is that the 10% Rule in action?  I.E., you have to be 10% smarter than the equipment you're working with. :D

So, apparently I had a bartender dumber than 2 beers and a spoon...
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on November 15, 2017, 07:47:55 pm
I spent a couple of hours re-reading this thread last night as I have been thinking about scotch lately.  And wanted to make a list of the recommendations to check out at the liquor store.

My boss is a bourbon drinker, and I have determined that I really don't care for bourbon at all.  I had some rye a couple of months ago also and did not like it much at all. 

Last week I had some Costco blended scotch and liked it, but it seemed very light no lingering flavors.

So tonight I stopped off at a couple of stores and ended up coming home with a bottle of Highland Park 12 year.  I had a finger tonight after dinner, and it is going to be an acquired taste.   I like it, but it is not something that I am used drinking. (5 or 6 hard drinks in the last 6 years.)  I really wanted to try Oban, but did not see any.

On the beer front I have been enjoying quite a bit of brown ale lately.  Denali brewing specifically.  I have been working out of town several days a week for the last 4-6 weeks and being on my own I am finding myself enjoying a beer or a drink before dinner again.

I don't like beer, but you have got to like bourbon, my friend.

Try Bulleit or Knob Creek. They are both fantastic.

Scotch: My go to is still Speyburn 10 yo.

I live on a college student diet, so some of the things I eat are fairly gnarly and need a glass of scotch to make it through  :neener .
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on November 15, 2017, 09:01:10 pm
Well, highland single malt is definitely an acquired taste.   It only took me one evening to acquire it but it was acquired all the same.   :cool

I think the best way to work up to Laphroaig is to start with something like J&B Rare.  There's actually nothing "rare" about it but its light enough that most folks don't mind the peat and it doesn't cost an arm and a leg.  Dewar's White Label is also good and Johnny Walker ( red or black ) has been famous for a century or more.  The point is, blended scotch is just a bit more approachable than what folks drink who would wear a kilt and go to war over it.  Once you get the hang of it you can spend the next thirty of forty years determining which one is your favorite. 


Bourbon is one of two or three styles of whiskey that are good year 'round if you like them and suitable for rat poison if you don't.  My folks are all from Kentucky so I guess you could say its in my blood.  We've been drinking bourbon for as long as I can remember.  We make candy out of it for women and children and have even been known to cook with the cheapest of the stuff rather than poison rats with it but I'll be the first to admit its not for everyone.  Feel free to send any bourbon you can't or won't drink to me for proper disposal. 

Wine and beer are for those folks too poor or too ignorant to make proper whiskey from the bounty of the earth.  I will drink those concoctions but its really more of a diplomatic outreach effort than a labor of love.   :coffee

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: First Shirt on November 15, 2017, 10:01:29 pm
Wine and beer are for those folks too poor or too ignorant to make proper whiskey from the bounty of the earth.  I will drink those concoctions but its really more of a diplomatic outreach effort than a labor of love.   :coffee

Thank you!!!!  That's the best line I've read all day!!!!

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on November 15, 2017, 10:04:20 pm
 :cool
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on November 15, 2017, 10:51:47 pm
Wine and beer are for those folks too poor or too ignorant to make proper whiskey from the bounty of the earth.  I will drink those concoctions but its really more of a diplomatic outreach effort than a labor of love.   :coffee

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mikee5star on November 16, 2017, 01:40:02 am
At least I chose the proper glassware.

I don't remember what birthday it was, but it was bourbon that had me puking on the bar that night. Haven't been able to drink it sense. I know it is the wrong sense, but my sleeping dictionary is not around to help me with English.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coyotesfan97 on November 16, 2017, 05:02:07 am
Is that the 10% Rule in action?  I.E., you have to be 10% smarter than the equipment you're working with. :D

There used to be a lady bartender at The Dubliner, in Omaha, who would not charge you for a draft beer if it had more than 1/2" of head on it.  She didn't give away very many beers, either!

There was an Irish bar in downtown Phoenix where the bartender would draw a shamrock in the head of a Black and Tan with the tap
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on November 16, 2017, 09:26:26 am
Niice.   :thumbup1
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on November 21, 2017, 01:18:28 pm
This is moonshine.  Popcorn Sutton was a legend in the mountains of West North Carolina making the real stuff the old fashioned way.

This video was made to "celebrate" his last run of 'shine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glQjCKAI4gA

"Don't try this at home" guys, even if it were legal!   This ain't bathtub gin. Definitely a dying combination of art and science reserved for the true professional.

FWIW:  My momma (now 91 and still with us), grew up in very rural Wayne County, Mississippi, also known for its "shine" back in the day.   My granddad, said to be quite a gentleman and all around good guy, died from mustard gas in WWI.  His widow and my grandmother married again during the Great Depression to keep from losing the farm and because she needed help. 

Unfortunately, picking were slim and she married a neighbor nary-do-well who made shine in the same style as you see in the video.  He got caught by the feds and spent some time behind bars in the fed pen in Atlanta.  Every family has a black sheep.  He was ours.  I'm told that his popularity with the locals and the high quality of his product caused him to be a bit too "notorious" for the feds to overlook.  I remember him in his later years of life.  He looked, acted, and sounded just like Popcorn Sutton in this video.

FWIW 2;  I'm still a single malt whisky guy -  Highland Park 12 is a good all around choice.  I recommend Glenmorangie Original for those wanting to get started.   It is what you will get in Scotland if you walk into a bar and simply ask for "whisky"  (without the "e").

This is the full movie.  Might be worth a watch.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on December 08, 2017, 07:12:52 am
So...whiskey stones?  I know they chill the whiskey...is whiskey better cold?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on December 08, 2017, 08:25:12 am
So...whiskey stones?  I know they chill the whiskey...is whiskey better cold?

I don't think so. In my opinion, cold kills taste. There's a reason restaurants brag about having the coldest cheap draft beers. Cold is a cover up.
Title: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: lesptr on December 08, 2017, 10:50:10 am
I don't think so. In my opinion, cold kills taste. There's a reason restaurants brag about having the coldest cheap draft beers. Cold is a cover up.


^^^^ This
If a beer doesn’t taste just as good warm as it does cold, it isn’t worth drinking.
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.


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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on December 08, 2017, 07:21:26 pm
I'm with him .  .  . 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on December 11, 2017, 03:18:33 pm
Good whisky or whiskey (depending on the variety) is best enjoyed at room temperature, with just a little splash of room temp tap water.  The water releases the oily esters and knocks the edge off of a too high alcohol content (especially if it is cask strength). 

Indeed, cold water or ice diminishes the flavor (both nose and taste sensations) substantially.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Roper1911 on December 11, 2017, 09:57:21 pm
anyone have any experience with bookers?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Kaso on December 11, 2017, 10:23:31 pm
anyone have any experience with bookers?
Outside of the officers down at county, no... :whistle
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mikee5star on December 11, 2017, 10:30:00 pm
anyone have any experience with bookers?

Do a search in this thread for Bookers, or just read the whole thing.  IIRC it is highly regarded but expensive.  I know that it was mentioned, but I was re-reading for Scotch recommendations not Bourbon.  But I need to do that to get the boss a nice bottle for Christmas.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on December 15, 2017, 11:46:34 am
Good whisky or whiskey (depending on the variety) is best enjoyed at room temperature, with just a little splash of room temp tap water.  The water releases the oily esters and knocks the edge off of a too high alcohol content (especially if it is cask strength). 

Indeed, cold water or ice diminishes the flavor (both nose and taste sensations) substantially.

If the tap is chlorinated, fluorinated or heavy on minerals. Then you just ruined some good whisky/whiskey IMO.

If you got good spring water. Then you can splash a bit if needed. Just please do not ruin good stuff with putting horrible tap water in it. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on December 15, 2017, 05:24:36 pm
If the tap is chlorinated, fluorinated or heavy on minerals. Then you just ruined some good whisky/whiskey IMO.

If you got good spring water. Then you can splash a bit if needed. Just please do not ruin good stuff with putting horrible tap water in it.

Indeed.  Sometimes you have to make do when out on the town.  When at home . . . well, I have a 360 foot deep well.  That water has no additives and is very low on mineral content.  Not like cold mountain spring water, but not bad.   Nice for sippin whisky.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mikee5star on December 23, 2017, 01:54:13 am
I bought myself a bottle of Oban for Christmas. I will report with a range review after I crack the seal.

We are passing through the big city on the way to my in law's, so I stopped at a big liquor store for a bottle of Dickle for my boss, and the Oban for me. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on December 23, 2017, 09:11:35 am
I'm getting a bottle of this for Christmas:

(https://scontent-dft4-3.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/22467511_1506299439462763_6613745936270654389_o.jpg?oh=144dd8accf284c0a0a878e8ddc56003d&oe=5AC706CD)

Made just down the road from where I work.

And our water here tastes like Chlorox, so I won't be putting any in my whiskey.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on December 23, 2017, 11:06:25 am
I'm getting a bottle of this for Christmas:

(https://scontent-dft4-3.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/22467511_1506299439462763_6613745936270654389_o.jpg?oh=144dd8accf284c0a0a878e8ddc56003d&oe=5AC706CD)

Made just down the road from where I work.

And our water here tastes like Chlorox, so I won't be putting any in my whiskey.

Well that looks good!  :cool
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on June 19, 2018, 11:23:41 am
Necro thread alert!

Blame Michael Z. Williamson for this one.  It was his cocktail suggestion for the passing of Barbara Bush that got me started on Manhattans.

Mad Mike's cocktail for Barbara Bush: a Manhattan, made with Garrison Brothers Texas whiskey, served in a champagne glass.

I had to modify the recipe a bit because 1) Garrison Brothers is out of my price range ($84/bottle at the local Spec's); and 2) I don't own any champagne glasses.

So here's what I've been doing:

2 shots Whitmeyer's Texas whiskey
1 shot Martini & Rossi sweet vermouth
dash of bitters
Shake over ice and strain into a whiskey glass; add a marischino cherry

When I finish up the Whitmeyer's, I'll probably start  trying out the recipe with different types of whiskey as they cycle through my liquor supply.

Anyone else have a recipe?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on June 19, 2018, 12:24:23 pm
I haven't done a whole lot of cocktail improvisation, but I did recently pick up a bottle of Campari, to make a Negroni in honor of Anthony Bourdain.

Tasty, but I've got some ideas on tweaking it, maybe with a shot of grenadine...
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on June 19, 2018, 06:25:52 pm
Never cared for the "Manhattan" so I don't really have a recipe for you.  If I was paying something north of $80.00 for a bottle of whiskey I'd be drinking it straight up or maybe with a little splash of water but it would never get closer to sweet vermouth than it was when it was on the shelf in the liquor store.  :scrutiny   Mixed drinks always seemed to me like something for people who don't like the taste of whiskey - a problem I don't personally suffer from. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on June 19, 2018, 06:33:26 pm
Whiskey, vermouth, 1/4 of lime juice is Mexican Manhattan

Whiskey, triple sec, 1/4 of lime juice is another way I have seen.

I have been having beer mixed with v8 + hotsauce lately. I guess it is a michelada. That is the only thing I have ever heard it called. I do not know if it is even a thing anywhere further north.

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on June 19, 2018, 06:35:31 pm
Yeah, they just call it red beer in the midwest - usually without the hot sauce and generally its just tomato juice and sometimes a squeeze of lemon.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on June 19, 2018, 06:36:33 pm
Never cared for the "Manhattan" so I don't really have a recipe for you.  If I was paying something north of $80.00 for a bottle of whiskey I'd be drinking it straight up or maybe with a little splash of water but it would never get closer to sweet vermouth than it was when it was on the shelf in the liquor store.  :scrutiny   Mixed drinks always seemed to me like something for people who don't like the taste of whiskey - a problem I don't personally suffer from.
I tend to agree on all statements made.

It seems gentlemanly to know how to mix a few drinks for those that wish for them. So I try to keep some jist of recipes in my head.

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on June 19, 2018, 06:40:20 pm
Yeah, they just call it red beer in the midwest - usually without the hot sauce and generally its just tomato juice and sometimes a squeeze of lemon.
It usually has Worcester sauce, hot sauce, beer and tomato juice here, and on south in Texas and Mexico.

I want hot sauce in it if I am drinking it. If it doesn't burn some it isn't any good imo.

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on June 19, 2018, 06:42:34 pm
It probably is gentlemanly to do so but around here we keep it pretty simple.   There is a decent variety of wines and always a few mixers ( until they go flat and we have to toss them out and buy more  :facepalm ).   The cold beer selection is fairly limited unless you want to wait for one to chill down in an ice bath but we can pour you a nice glass of whiskey while you wait.  :cool
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on June 19, 2018, 09:59:21 pm
Quote
It usually has Worcester sauce, hot sauce, beer and tomato juice here, and on south in Texas and Mexico.

I want hot sauce in it if I am drinking it. If it doesn't burn some it isn't any good imo.

Hey, cool, something we can agree on...

My wife's late mother's best friend (hereafter referred to as "Aunt Cheryl") introduced me to Bloody Marys, the first time I went with my wife to Mardi Gras.

Her recipe called for nearly equal parts Zap Bloody Mary mix, hot sauce, and vodka, with black pepper sprinkled on top.

"For flavor," she said.

"What flavor?! I like spicy stuff, but I also like my taste buds! Dear God, woman!"
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on June 19, 2018, 10:59:33 pm
I never cared for bloody marys much. Vodka, unless very high quality, adds an odd almost oily texture to drinks for me.

The beer, tomato juice and hot sauce is just a combo that is great imo. I also like a snakebite from time to time.

I just drink so rarely that I might as well be a teetotaler anymore.

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on June 19, 2018, 11:51:18 pm
Bloody Mary's are better when made with tequila anyway.  Although technically I suppose that would make it a Bloody Maria.    :hmm   At any rate, substitute tequila for vodka, add a wedge of lime, a celery stick to stir it with and if you want a little spiciness add some Pico Pica hot sauce. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on June 20, 2018, 08:56:12 am
You are correct - that is a Bloody Maria.

And sounds pretty good.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on June 20, 2018, 05:57:24 pm
They really are quite agreeable as cocktails go.  Especially when you're whipping up some huevos rancheros or papas con chorizo for breakfast after an all nighter.   :cool
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on June 20, 2018, 07:13:09 pm
They really are quite agreeable as cocktails go.  Especially when you're whipping up some huevos rancheros or papas con chorizo for breakfast after an all nighter.   :cool
Bloody Maria, spicy sausage, tators and eggs for breakfast with some BBQ and beers for lunch along with an evening of sipping some rye or whiskey with good friends talking about everything and nothing at all would be an excellent last day imo.

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on June 20, 2018, 09:26:00 pm
Bloody Maria, spicy sausage, tators and eggs for breakfast with some BBQ and beers for lunch along with an evening of sipping some rye or whiskey with good friends talking about everything and nothing at all would be an excellent last day imo.

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Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on June 21, 2018, 03:29:17 pm
Knowing how to live makes dying less troubling, IMHO.   :cool
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on June 25, 2018, 02:50:22 pm
Necro thread alert!

Blame Michael Z. Williamson for this one.  It was his cocktail suggestion for the passing of Barbara Bush that got me started on Manhattans.

Mad Mike's cocktail for Barbara Bush: a Manhattan, made with Garrison Brothers Texas whiskey, served in a champagne glass.

I had to modify the recipe a bit because 1) Garrison Brothers is out of my price range ($84/bottle at the local Spec's); and 2) I don't own any champagne glasses.

So here's what I've been doing:

2 shots Whitmeyer's Texas whiskey
1 shot Martini & Rossi sweet vermouth
dash of bitters
Shake over ice and strain into a whiskey glass; add a marischino cherry

When I finish up the Whitmeyer's, I'll probably start  trying out the recipe with different types of whiskey as they cycle through my liquor supply.

Anyone else have a recipe?

No recipe, but do have a great Texas Whisky - Single Malt Balcones #1.   Won lots of international awards. Can't call it single malt scotch, as that can only be made in Scotland, but it's mighty fine sippin' whisky.   

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: ZeroTA on June 25, 2018, 03:11:57 pm
Quote from: coelacanth
It seems gentlemanly to know how to mix a few drinks for those that wish for them. So I try to keep some jist of recipes in my head.

You're not wrong, but my friends (not a snobbish bunch to start with) know to BYOB if they want something besides beer at my house. I just don't drink the hard stuff and have no reason to buy it. Always got plenty of beer though.  :D
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on June 25, 2018, 03:41:08 pm
You're not wrong, but my friends (not a snobbish bunch to start with) know to BYOB if they want something besides beer at my house. I just don't drink the hard stuff and have no reason to buy it. Always got plenty of beer though.  :D

Most of my guy friends are more than happy to drink good whiskey. The wives are the pain in butt ones. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on June 25, 2018, 04:08:00 pm
Hmm  .  .  .  sounds like a corollary to the old saying: "If it has teats or tires it's gonna' cost you money.".     :hmm
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on June 28, 2018, 02:00:51 pm
You're not wrong, but my friends (not a snobbish bunch to start with) know to BYOB if they want something besides beer at my house. I just don't drink the hard stuff and have no reason to buy it. Always got plenty of beer though.  :D

I'll offer a guest the first "wee dram" of their choice from my modest single malt collection.  After that, they know it is BYOB.  A couple expressions are off limits due to rarity and not being able to be replaced.  By rare, I do not mean expensive, as my selections are for the most part, typically in the 10 to 16 year old range.  I just mean hard to find.  Older stuff is not necessarily better and is often worse.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on June 30, 2018, 07:17:39 pm
The Scots refer to that as "an acquired taste." and then charge you double for it.   :cool
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on July 01, 2018, 08:37:32 am
Random thought that just occurred to me:

Scotch is aged in barrels that were previously used for bourbon, right?

So...what did they age it in before there was bourbon, say, 18th century and earlier?  (Most trace the earliest uses of the term 'bourbon' for the specific whiskey from the particular region of Kentucky to the 1820s, at the earliest.)

Was Scottish whiskey prior to that even scotch?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Grant on July 01, 2018, 09:55:20 pm
 I dont believe all scotch does that, just some.

 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on July 02, 2018, 09:45:12 am
Probably either made new ones, or used whatever was on hand.

I can't imagine the pickled herring ones were used for more than a batch or two, though...

"C'mon, lad, ye kinnae be wan' to draenk sumtin' that tastes laek tha', kin ye?"

"*shrug* Ye ne'er c'n tell noo, c'n ye?"
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on July 02, 2018, 01:34:26 pm
I have no firsthand knowledge of this ( I'm old, but not THAT old   :whistle ) but the story goes that wine casks were the preferred container for aging Scotch whisky.  There was a thriving import/export business in the U.K. around wines (particularly fortified wines - sherry, port, Madeira, vermouth, etc. ) and these wines were shipped from their ports of origin to the U.K. in large casks called "butts".   They liked big butts and I cannot lie.   :cool   At any rate, once the distillers realized that the wine casks were not only fairly inexpensive but often improved the quality of the spirits being placed inside them the practice became widespread.  The advent of aging Scotch whisky in the charred American oak bourbon cask came only when the demand for wine casks exceeded the available supply.

The single use bourbon cask is a relatively recent phenomenon and the machine made cask is more recent still and owes most of it's viability to the character of the American white oak used in it's construction which allows thinner and lighter staves.  This, in turn allows casks to be made in sizes amenable to being handled by machine instead of lugged around by hand - all of which is an attempt to make the single use cask a more economically viable proposition.   Selling them by the container ship load to the Scots was just good business.  Acquiring small, struggling Scottish distilleries so you could keep the whole transaction "in house" and have even more product to sell in other markets was the next step.

And now you know why most Scotch whisky today tastes markedly different than it did two centuries ago.   :coffee 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on July 02, 2018, 01:41:57 pm
Interesting  :hmm .

Now I just have to save up to buy some two century old scotch to compare this all too  :cool .
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on July 02, 2018, 11:15:17 pm
Well, its a pretty safe bet that two century old Scotch won't taste like it did when it was bottled but if you're determined to try it I would suggest a second job.  Stuff like that is not going to be on the markdown rack at the local liquor emporium.   :hmm
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on July 02, 2018, 11:40:44 pm
Well, its a pretty safe bet that two century old Scotch won't taste like it did when it was bottled but if you're determined to try it I would suggest a second job.  Stuff like that is not going to be on the markdown rack at the local liquor emporium.   :hmm

Nah, I'm fine with my Speyburn 10 yo  :rotfl .
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on July 03, 2018, 09:47:18 am
By the time you could afford it, it'd be three century old Scotch...
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on July 03, 2018, 03:33:28 pm
And then you wouldn't be able to afford it anymore.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: LowKey on July 03, 2018, 04:05:21 pm
Well, its a pretty safe bet that two century old Scotch won't taste like it did when it was bottled but if you're determined to try it I would suggest a second job.  Stuff like that is not going to be on the markdown rack at the local liquor emporium.   :hmm

IIRC, the flavor doesn't change once it's taken out of the wooden casks and bottled.  Unlike wine and beer.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on July 03, 2018, 05:11:30 pm
Random thought that just occurred to me:

Scotch is aged in barrels that were previously used for bourbon, right?

So...what did they age it in before there was bourbon, say, 18th century and earlier?  (Most trace the earliest uses of the term 'bourbon' for the specific whiskey from the particular region of Kentucky to the 1820s, at the earliest.)

Was Scottish whiskey prior to that even scotch?

By definition, Scotch must be aged in oak.  Beyond that the varieties of oak and whether the oak barrels have been previously filled with something else are quite wide.  Quite a few single malts are aged in oak barrels that previously had sherry.   Although bourbon and sherry are the two most often used, sometimes you see port barrels used or barrels that had held other wines.  In almost all cases the oak barrels have been previously charred on the inside.

There are lots of good resources on the process and what each distillery uses.   A good one, widely available, is a little book called "Complete Guide to Single Malt Scotch" by Michael Jackson (no relation to the deceased pop singer).

One example -- according to Jackson, many scotch distillers source their barrels from one particular region in the Ozark mountains.  They buy wood, make the barrels and then loan them out to bourbon distillers (usually owned by the same company).  Once the bourbon aging is completed, eight or so years later, they are shipped to Scotland for making the "real" whisky.

And, yes, unlike wine, whisky does not continue to age in the bottle.  The alcohol content is too high.  Once the whisky is no longer in direct contact with the barrel wood, the aging process stops.  So, a 16 year old Aberlour, for instance, means 16 years in the barrel, regardless of when bottled, and the taste will not change thereafter (with certain exceptions not relevant here).  So, keeping a 16 year old scotch in your bar cabinet for another 34 years does not make it a 50 year old scotch.  It only means that you still have a 16 year old scotch that hopefully tastes as good as when it was first purchased.

To further complicate things, some malt whiskies are initially aged in one type of barrel with one type of charring process and type of prior contents, and then after a certain number of years are "finished" by moving the whisky to a different barrel or pipe for further aging, exposing the whisky to different wood and different earlier contents, if this makes sense.

I know, too much information.  Sorry.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on July 03, 2018, 07:18:07 pm
It's good and interesting information.

I'm not actually going for scotches currently - I'm working through the many varieties of American whiskey present in my liquor store's shelves.  Especially Texas whiskeys, followed by ryes and straight corn whiskeys.  (Currently on the shelf: Merica bourbon (because 'Murica!), Whitmeyer's Texas Whiskey, and 1835 Texas bourbon.)

(I'm not really sure "Texas whiskey" is a actual recognized type, or just marketing.  There are some conditions that are different in Texas than in, say, Kentucky - more heat being a notable one.  And as every high school chem student know, heat speeds up reactions.  There's at least one Texas distiller that uses a local variety of blue corn to make one of their mashes.  Haven't tried that one yet.)

And Leadslinger's bourbon and Fighting Spirit Rye are kind of my default settings.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on July 04, 2018, 05:46:31 pm
Sounds good to me.   :cool   With all due respect to the learned opinions thus far presented - if you haven't tried whisky(ey) that has been setting in a glass bottle for decades prepare to be disappointed.   Corked, capped or stoppered - bottled spirits will usually deteriorate over time.  Usually the vapor pressure of the alcohol and some of the VOC's will cause some minor seepage past the closure which results in a lower proof and an altered flavor profile than the originally bottled spirit. 

A recent death in the family presented me with the opportunity to test this theory with my brother who also participated.  Three bottles of previously unopened spirits were part of the estate.  The original printed seals were still intact and none of the closures appeared to have been tampered with or damaged.  Two were capped, one was corked.  They had been stored in a basement cabinet for decades.  I don't know what they would have tasted like at the time they were bottled but after tasting them in January of this year I would not buy any of them again. 

A full bottle of homemade wine was also found and it was stoppered with a ceramic stopper and rubber gasket combo.  I have had recent versions of this wine and it was quite passable for a farmhouse product but the stuff from downstairs in the basement cabinet was awful.  As I recall, the production date was from some time in the 1990's but it was straight down the drain with that stuff.   :vomit
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on July 05, 2018, 05:22:11 pm
You are right.   The extent of the decline in single malts seems directly related to the amount of air in the bottle.  My unscientific view is based purely on consumption.  I have some bottles that have been opened for years but barely consumed, and others that have been opened a similar length of time but are closer to half empty or more.  The latter seems to go "off" taste faster.

Purely anectdotal.  Maybe exposure to air has something to do with it.  Also, if the cork dries up, they go "off" pretty fast after that.

Lesson might be:   Once opened, drink it!  At least within a year or so.   Well, at least that justifies buying more.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Plebian on July 05, 2018, 06:19:05 pm
You are right.   The extent of the decline in single malts seems directly related to the amount of air in the bottle.  My unscientific view is based purely on consumption.  I have some bottles that have been opened for years but barely consumed, and others that have been opened a similar length of time but are closer to half empty or more.  The latter seems to go "off" taste faster.

Purely anectdotal.  Maybe exposure to air has something to do with it.  Also, if the cork dries up, they go "off" pretty fast after that.

Lesson might be:   Once opened, drink it!  At least within a year or so.   Well, at least that justifies buying more.

I would assume this is just simple oxidation. This is the reasoning I have always heard for wine, but I have no clue if any real research has been done.

Which makes me wonder if you 'topped' a half full bottle up with argon from the ole TIG welder if it would fix the issue of taste once a bottle was opened.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on July 05, 2018, 07:00:31 pm
Nitrogen would probably do the trick as well.

Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mikee5star on July 06, 2018, 01:31:46 pm
I read an article, IIRC in Cigar Aficionado, where an liquor expert recommended dating bottles when they got to 1/2 full and finishing them in one year from that date, due to oxidation.  Not sure if there is/was any research, or if it was just moocher buddies wanting to drink up someones top shelf liquor. 

Not to hard to make good booze disappear, cheap or bad tasting booze is a bit more problematic as I don't hang out with, what I consider, even moderate drinkers anymore.  It was bought with the idea of a good drink followed by cheaper drinks, a practice I followed for years, now though generally I am one and done. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Roper1911 on July 06, 2018, 01:42:11 pm
yeah they oxidize. you can add clear marbles as you drink to slow it down, they also make aerosol products that slow it down.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mikee5star on February 04, 2019, 12:04:17 am
Well over the silly season I finished my bottle of Glenmorangie orange, not one of my favorites probably won't buy it again.  Finished the Oban 14yr, my favorite so far, that was my Christmas present to my self last year around Thanksgiving, so went looking for a different bottle of scotch tonight.  I picked up a pint of Johnny Walker black last month to try again, it has been years, and it is just okay.  At $62 per bottle it is not what I was looking for.  I was looking for a decent bottle of single malt at least 12 years old in the $50-70 range.  Safeway has a decent selection at better prices than the "big" liquor store on the other side of town, but the liquor store has lots more choices.  After determining that Safeway had nothing I really wanted I ran across town and found the Lagavulin 16 yr.  I had wanted to try a peatier Islay scotch so....

I need to finish the last couple of swollows of the JW black out of my flask so it can be refilled with the new booze for after work this week.  I do travel with a pint of Crown to share.  The good stuff is MINE.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on February 04, 2019, 12:15:09 am
Around here Safeway is not a particularly good place to shop for whisky.  They do carry a Speyside called Glen Cullen that isn't bad at about $24.00 a bottle but if I'm going to drop $25-$30 on a bottle of liquor I'd like it to be better than "not bad".    My go to Scotch for big, peaty flavor has always been Laphroaig 10 year old.  That's going at just north of $30 a bottle around here but I consider that one worth it. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on February 04, 2019, 12:40:11 am
Around here Safeway is not a particularly good place to shop for whisky.  They do carry a Speyside called Glen Cullen that isn't bad at about $24.00 a bottle but if I'm going to drop $25-$30 on a bottle of liquor I'd like it to be better than "not bad".    My go to Scotch for big, peaty flavor has always been Laphroaig 10 year old. That's going at just north of $30 a bottle around here but I consider that one worth it.

Really!?! I'm going to have to double check here. I swore it was in the 40-50 dollar range here.

Well over the silly season I finished my bottle of Glenmorangie orange, not one of my favorites probably won't buy it again.  Finished the Oban 14yr, my favorite so far, that was my Christmas present to my self last year around Thanksgiving, so went looking for a different bottle of scotch tonight.  I picked up a pint of Johnny Walker black last month to try again, it has been years, and it is just okay.  At $62 per bottle it is not what I was looking for.  I was looking for a decent bottle of single malt at least 12 years old in the $50-70 range.  Safeway has a decent selection at better prices than the "big" liquor store on the other side of town, but the liquor store has lots more choices.  After determining that Safeway had nothing I really wanted I ran across town and found the Lagavulin 16 yr.  I had wanted to try a peatier Islay scotch so....

I need to finish the last couple of swollows of the JW black out of my flask so it can be refilled with the new booze for after work this week.  I do travel with a pint of Crown to share.  The good stuff is MINE.

Never understood the point of flasks. IIRC, in Texas you can't drink alcohol in public anyways, so what's the point of having portable alcohol?  :shrug
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mikee5star on February 04, 2019, 01:33:27 am
I work 4 10 hour days out of town where I travel to work on an 28' aluminum landing craft, where all my groceries and gear have to ride out on the deck.  I use a flask after I broke a mason jar, empty fortunately, that I was using to transport my whiskey to the job.  I would be really unhappy if I broke a full bottle of anything in my clothes bag.  Especially as this job has no running water.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mikee5star on February 04, 2019, 01:47:26 am
Around here Safeway is not a particularly good place to shop for whisky.  They do carry a Speyside called Glen Cullen that isn't bad at about $24.00 a bottle but if I'm going to drop $25-$30 on a bottle of liquor I'd like it to be better than "not bad".    My go to Scotch for big, peaty flavor has always been Laphroaig 10 year old.  That's going at just north of $30 a bottle around here but I consider that one worth it. 

I would like to try Laphroaig before I buy a bottle.  After my experience with the Glenmorangie 10 year old, I know I like a bit smoother finish so I am staying with 12 year or older for now.  Laphroaig 10 is a bit more than the Glenmorangie so about $50 around here.  My Safeway has Oban 14 year old for right at $90 right now.  Talisker 14 or 16 for just about $100.  And Johnny Walker blue, green and gold all at cheaper prices than any other store in town.  They do not have any mid priced single malts.  It is all plastic bottle blends, or $75 up single malts. 

I think I will buy a bottle of Costco blended scotch next time I am up that way as it is quite smooth, and drinkable.  But has a very limited finish.  It lingers on your tongue for a very short time. 

If I wanted a cheaper bottle I tended to buy the 10 year old Club Canadian which is very nice, especially mixed.  I have found it under $20 per bottle on sale, which is R&R price range around here.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on February 04, 2019, 02:24:11 am
Costco here carries the Laphroaig 10 year old.  That's the only place I've found it for less than about $37 a bottle.  I'd call the Laphroaig 10 year old a better whisky all 'round than Glenmorangie but I'm pretty fond of the island single malts.  It seems smoother and has way more character to me than a lot of the highland stuff.  The peat kind of smacks you in the face on the first sip but the finish is long, smooth and surprisingly sweet toward the end.  Hope you get to try it.  If you like Lagavulin you'll probably like Laphroaig. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Roper1911 on February 05, 2019, 09:03:02 pm
Costco here carries the Laphroaig 10 year old.  That's the only place I've found it for less than about $37 a bottle.  I'd call the Laphroaig 10 year old a better whisky all 'round than Glenmorangie but I'm pretty fond of the island single malts.  It seems smoother and has way more character to me than a lot of the highland stuff.  The peat kind of smacks you in the face on the first sip but the finish is long, smooth and surprisingly sweet toward the end.  Hope you get to try it.  If you like Lagavulin you'll probably like Laphroaig. 

$37?!?!?! it's like- $60 here!
keep in mind younglings- it's an Islay. so the peat is kick ass to say the least. I usually go for ardbeg when i'm in the mood. just because it's more accessible.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on February 05, 2019, 09:15:05 pm
$37?!?!?! it's like- $60 here!
keep in mind younglings- it's an Islay. so the peat is kick ass to say the least. I usually go for ardbeg when i'm in the mood. just because it's more accessible.

That's what I'm saying!?!  :panic I'm going to have to double check the local stores and post the latest price check here.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mikee5star on February 08, 2019, 02:08:04 am
Costco here carries the Laphroaig 10 year old.  That's the only place I've found it for less than about $37 a bottle.  I'd call the Laphroaig 10 year old a better whisky all 'round than Glenmorangie but I'm pretty fond of the island single malts.  It seems smoother and has way more character to me than a lot of the highland stuff.  The peat kind of smacks you in the face on the first sip but the finish is long, smooth and surprisingly sweet toward the end.  Hope you get to try it.  If you like Lagavulin you'll probably like Laphroaig. 

Costco is a 10 hour round trip drive for me. And when I am up there, I usually go early to beat the crowd which is before the liquor section opens.  Back when I drank Stoli I could buy a 1/2 Gal at Costco for the same price as a 1/5 locally.  They generally can't be beat on price on anything they sell.  But you don't have a huge choice on brands or selection with in a brand they carry.

That is good to know about the Laphroaig, as it and the Glenmorangie are the lowest priced single malts around here.  I have not tried the Lagavulin yet, I thought a buddy who likes good whiskey was going to stay at the job this week and I was going to share, but I got stuck with the teetotaler.

$37?!?!?! it's like- $60 here!
keep in mind younglings- it's an Islay. so the peat is kick ass to say the least. I usually go for ardbeg when i'm in the mood. just because it's more accessible.

My local liquor emporium had three or four different Ardbeg varieties when I was there, but most were pricey. I believe it was the first time I had seen it here for less than a $100.  It was a toss up between the Lagavulin and the Ardburg, but Lagavulin won on price.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: aikorob on February 09, 2019, 07:27:00 am
OK guys---my favorite has been Wild Turkey 101 since I was able to buy alcohol legally. Always on hand, and frankly, I haven't tried enough of other spirits to change my mind. However, the Mrs. has broader tastes, and I will try a sip of whatever she orders when we are out and about. Having a glass as a end-of-week cap has become a sort of tradition here, and I have decided to try and broaden my horizons. Since this thread has gone for 40+ pages, how about recommendations for 1 bottle in each of the major types.............only restriction is $30 and under for 750ml.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on February 09, 2019, 12:44:34 pm
Evan Williams black label is one of the finest, inexpensive American bourbon whiskey's I have ever had.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on February 09, 2019, 02:25:26 pm
Agreed, but if the goal is a higher proof bourbon like the Wild Turkey 101 try the white label Evan Williams at 100 proof.  Still frighteningly affordable.   :cool   

While on the subject of bourbons and related American whiskies allow me to mention Bulleit Bourbon and also Bulleit Rye.  Both are quite respectable and still within the target price range.   Buffalo Trace is also produced by the same distillery and is about equal to the Bulleit.  Maker's Mark is also pretty good and still in the target price range.

If your preference runs toward Tennessee sour mash instead of bourbon I'd go with George Dickel over its more famous cousin with the black label.

If Canadian whisky is your thing try Ellington Reserve - I like it better than Crown Royal and its less generally less money. 

For Irish whisky its hard to top Jameson's for the price. 

Blended Scotch is a bit like kissing your sister but if you're determined to do it try J&B Rare.

Single malt Scotch is so varied in style its hard to narrow it down to one but a good place to start in the target price range might be Speyburn for a lighter highland style and Bowmore for a heavier island style.  Laphroaig is at the very upper end of the price range if you can get it from Costco.  It is advertised as "the most richly flavored of all Scotch whiskies".  Translation:  its a very heavy island whisky and if you don't like drinking it straight up you can probably use it for cooking instead of buying Liquid Smoke at the grocery store.  :whistle

I'm not a big fan of vodka but the Dutch seem to do a passable job of making it so I would recommend Ketel One. 

Rum is also something with a vast range of styles but my hands down favorite for years has been Pusser's British Navy Rum.  Most anything from the island of Barbados will be acceptable in terms of quality.  Mount Gay is a perfectly good example.  Jamaican rum is good but not generally in the same class as Barbadian rum and the good stuff gets out of your target price range.  I don't care for Puerto Rican rums as a rule but they do have the advantage of being generally low priced if all you're going to do is use them with mixers.  Guyana is producing a lot of rum these days and some of it is actually pretty decent but its not going to be found at the grocery store liquor section.  Stay away from "spiced" rum and other flavored rums - no bueno. 

Tequila has become wildly popular over the last decade or so and the prices for the good stuff have escalated dramatically but you can still get a nice bottle of Sauza Hornitos Reposado that is good for sipping or mixing in your price range.  Again, lots of styles but to me the Sauza stands out from the rest of the mass market stuff like Jose Quervo and 1800.

In my experience you really can't get a decent bottle of brandy or cognac in your target price range.  Decent quality seems to start between $35 and $55 bucks a bottle.   :shrug

I haven't really listed any of the less mainstream stuff but if you want to know about anything else specifically just ask.   :coffee
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Roper1911 on February 09, 2019, 02:29:55 pm
Evan Williams black label is one of the finest, inexpensive American bourbon whiskey's I have ever had.

bourbon: Evan Williams Bottled-in-bond.
Tennessee: Gentleman Jack
Rye: Bulleit Rye
Irish: tullamore dew or jameson
scotch: give up.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on February 09, 2019, 03:38:02 pm
Why didn't I think of Bulleit? I was just drinking it yesterday  self- :bash .

I like Bulleit. It is almost as good as my favourite, knob creek. Sadly, I didn't care for Buffallo trace :hide .
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mikee5star on February 09, 2019, 04:49:56 pm
As the wife does not drink at all.  And I mainly drink when away from home and in moderation then, I only buy good expensive booze.  That said, if you like mixed sweet drinks raspberry vodka and red bull is very tasty, and the red bull kills the cheap vodka taste.  Unfortunately hard alcohol is spendy here where I am at, so besides the Club Canadian 10 year old I have no lower priced recommendations.  I liked Stoli, it was around $25 750ml when I started drinking it.  I think the last time I looked it was pushing $40.  Friends who liked Captain Morgan switched to Sailor Jerry as it was just as good, but at a lower price and higher proof.  It was more than the Captain when I last looked.  Costco scotch is the only blend that I would spend money on right now, and it is more than your price, IIRC, and I have only seen it in a half gallon. 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on February 09, 2019, 05:13:50 pm
Why didn't I think of Bulleit? I was just drinking it yesterday  self- :bash .

I like Bulleit. It is almost as good as my favourite, knob creek. Sadly, I didn't care for Buffallo trace :hide .
Oddly enough when Bulleit was first distilled for reentry into the market place it was a Buffalo Trace product.  The recipe has stayed the same over the years but the distiller has changed at least twice in the last twenty years and there is a really good chance that a lot of the mash that goes into making it still comes from a Buffalo Trace distilling operation.   :coffee
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on February 09, 2019, 06:04:06 pm
Oddly enough when Bulleit was first distilled for reentry into the market place it was a Buffalo Trace product.  The recipe has stayed the same over the years but the distiller has changed at least twice in the last twenty years and there is a really good chance that a lot of the mash that goes into making it still comes from a Buffalo Trace distilling operation.   :coffee

 :shrug

I've never considered myself to have a sensitive stomach, but IIRC the last few times I've had buffalo trace I felt a little "off" afterwards. Never could put my finger on it as to why, though.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on February 09, 2019, 07:27:59 pm
Me to the Doctor:  "Doc, it hurts when I do this . . . "

Doctor to me:  "Don't do that . . . "   

 :bash
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on February 09, 2019, 07:54:18 pm
Me to the Doctor:  "Doc, it hurts when I do this . . . "

Doctor to me:  "Don't do that . . . "   

 :bash

Part of trouble shooting is to see if the results are repeatable, besides the experiment gave the excuse to drink more whiskey  :cool .
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Roper1911 on February 09, 2019, 09:01:17 pm
Oddly enough when Bulleit was first distilled for reentry into the market place it was a Buffalo Trace product.  The recipe has stayed the same over the years but the distiller has changed at least twice in the last twenty years and there is a really good chance that a lot of the mash that goes into making it still comes from a Buffalo Trace distilling operation.   :coffee

it's produced by MGP now.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on February 09, 2019, 09:06:20 pm
Part of trouble shooting is to see if the results are repeatable, besides the experiment gave the excuse to drink more whiskey  :cool .
:thumbup1
it's produced by MGP now.

Are they producing the whole mash bill and barrel aging it too or are they just supplying part of it to someone else? 
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Roper1911 on February 10, 2019, 11:29:46 am
:thumbup1Are they producing the whole mash bill and barrel aging it too or are they just supplying part of it to someone else? 
bulleit bourbon and rye is a standard MGP mash bill with minor modifications, to my knowledge they distill it and barrel it, then ship it to a bulleit rickhouse where it's aged, cut and bottled. several of my favorite bourbons and all of my favorite ryes are MGP products.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on February 10, 2019, 03:26:22 pm
Agreed. They do a pretty respectable job and have for years.  They went through a rough patch financially during the last big recession but they've come out of it and emerged as a major supplier to all sorts of folks who like to think they are "whiskey producers".    :coffee
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on February 11, 2019, 04:09:02 pm
For those with a fancy for Islay single malts, do try Ardbeg.  It may be a little more than a comparable Laphroaig, but there is some balance going on there in addition to that heavy hit of smoke, brine and iodine.   Start with the 10.  It's on the rough side, like other 10 year heavily peated Islays, but different. But I've come to absolutely love the Uigeadail.   Very complex, a sweetness sneaks in.  It is a bit spendy, but it's sippin' whisky that you savor.  Not something for every day.

On the Speyside malts, I've stumbled on a 15 year Glen Moray that is surprisingly well-rounded.  This is the first time I've seen anything from that distillery in our local market.   All that Speyside has to offer in abundance.  Just the right amount of sherry aging, not so overdone as some in nearby distilleries further upstream on the Spey can sometimes be.   (MaCallan, Aberlour, Glenfarclas).

Finally, on a different note, I've not been much of a fan of rums in general.  Mostly for the wife's mixed drinks and for holiday egg nog (ugh).  But, last year I went on a trip to Haiti in connection with faith-based medical charity I support.  While there, I learned of the difference between rum and rhum.  The latter is derived from pure cane juice rather than molasses as is "rum." Rhum has a distinctly different character and when permitted to age a bit is very nice.  Surprisingly so.

I picked up a bottle of 15 year Barbancourt while there.  It is available in the US.  As one pretty much acclimated to single malts, I found that this is, indeed, very nice to drink straight with a splash of water, brandy style, after dinner.  This is not something to waste in a mixed drink. 

Lesson:  be open to experimentation.  I didn't know what rhum was.   Now, I plan to have some older aged rhum on hand.     
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on February 11, 2019, 04:57:21 pm
I haven't seen a bottle of Glen Moray in a long time.  An independent store here carried it years ago because the owner was a fan and he basically strong-armed the distributor rep into it to get his business.  I seem to recall it was a twelve year old but very nice.  I'll have to look for it again.  As you say Ardbeg is pretty classy stuff - I just can't buy it for anywhere near the price I get Laphroaig 10 year old for.  About the best I can do is $15 a bottle higher and I just don;t think its enough better to justify it in my opinion.   YMMV.   :shrug

I've never been a big fan of sherry cask aging.  As pointed out, some are less objectionable than others but I've given up on the whole idea at this point.  If I want to enjoy the taste of sherry I'll pick up a bottle of Lustau's Don Nuno Dry Dark Oloroso and be done with it.  Even an inexpensive Fino is a nice aperitif or an Amontillado if you prefer but I like my Scotch whisky without the taint of an old worn out sherry butt.   

I'm glad you've discovered some of the more nuanced expressions of rum, or "rhum agricole" as they say in the islands.  A nice, aged rum is one of my go to liquors for year 'round consumption.  Its definitely worth getting to know some of the ones that qualify as sippin' whiskey"  :cool.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on February 11, 2019, 05:15:33 pm
I prefer my Amontillado by the cask...
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: MTK20 on February 11, 2019, 05:24:42 pm
I prefer my Amontillado by the cask...

The cask of amantillado! Just be careful in those tunnels!  :cool
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on February 11, 2019, 06:48:25 pm
I prefer my Amontillado by the cask...
Would you like a drinking straw with that sir?   :coffee
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on February 11, 2019, 06:49:07 pm
The cask of amantillado! Just be careful in those tunnels!  :cool
Oh, be still my telltale heart .  .  .   :whistle
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: LowKey on February 12, 2019, 12:56:55 pm
Oh, be still my telltale heart .  .  .   :whistle
I'm just waiting for the pendulum to swing the other way....
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: cpaspr on February 12, 2019, 04:18:31 pm
You guys are telling some really poe jokes.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Mississippi556 on February 12, 2019, 04:27:40 pm
Would you like a drinking straw with that sir?   :coffee

But, wait . . . drinking straws are destroying the planet.  Not the Chinese industries, not the Indian industries.  American drinking straws.  Shame on you, sir, for even suggesting such a vile thing!
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on February 12, 2019, 07:29:04 pm
Its a recycled straw.  Wanna' know what it was before that?    :cool
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on February 12, 2019, 07:36:27 pm
Its a recycled straw.  Wanna' know what it was before that?    :cool

A colostomy bag?
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: coelacanth on February 12, 2019, 07:53:29 pm
"I'll take THINGS I WISH I DIDN'T KNOW for $600, Alex."    :whistle
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: LowKey on February 12, 2019, 09:18:28 pm
"I'll take THINGS I WISH I DIDN'T KNOW for $600, Alex."    :whistle
You've been looking though HRC's OB/GYN's photo-journal? :confused
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: aikorob on February 13, 2019, 05:29:26 pm
You've been looking though HRC's OB/GYN's photo-journal? :confused

aww jeez  :vomit  thanks for that visual  :bash

http://www.eyebleach.me (http://www.eyebleach.me) to the rescue
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: Langenator on February 14, 2019, 07:28:38 am
You've been looking though HRC's OB/GYN's photo-journal? :confused

I remember when I was a brand new 2LT, attending the Benning School for Boys.  They gave us the obligatory lecture on STDs.  Which included a bunch of full color close ups of diseased coochies, which belonged to female inhabitants of Columbus, GA.

And of course this lecture was the last one on a Friday afternoon.

Plenty of just hanging and the O-club drinking with our classmates that weekend.
Title: Re: WTA's Alcohol Thread
Post by: booksmart on February 14, 2019, 04:37:07 pm
*click* "For obvious reasons, this is the chick we call 'Jungle Jane'; she can usually be found at the corner of 17th and Dart."

"AAAAUUUGH."

"So, what're y'all up to this weekend?"

"Nice round of dominoes back at the barracks sounds good..."