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Army Yourself - and Help Me Arm My Character
« on: April 08, 2020, 10:26:26 pm »
Yep, I'm doing another arm yourself thread. Full disclosure: I'm planning out a scene in a story I'm working on and can't decide between two loadouts for my main character.

Scenario: main character, a former US Navy SEAL, is working as a bodyguard for a European heiress. Said heiress is travelling with her family about daddy's giga-yacht (105-ish meters in length). They are travelling from Monaco to Dubai, and Daddy chose to take the most direct route, which meant transiting the Suez canal and through the Gulf of Aden.

And wouldn't you know it, the yacht is attacked - and boarded - by Somali pirates. Before the pirates can board, our hero retrieves his weapons and kit from the ship's armory (which giga-yachts don't have IRL, but roll with it), locates his principal, and begins to escort her to the ship's panic room. Naturally, they are cut off and engaged by the pirates before they can make it.  And as it turns out, they aren't interested in taking the ship so much as kidnapping his principal.

Here are the two potential loadouts I'm working with. Note that the hero is American, lives State-side when he's between jobs, and these are his personally-owned weapons. Because he does stateside jobs in many states - some of which cross state lines - and he doesn't want the headaches that come with NFA-regulated weapons, so no SBRs or SBSs.

For the purposes of this exercise, let's say there are 18 pirates maximum. And the ship does have a small (half-dozen tops) team of security personnel armed with B&T MP9 subguns. But most of the pirates end up going for him and his principal.

Loadout 1:

AR-15 in 5.56mm NATO with a 14.7" barrel w/ pinned & welded A2 flash suppressor, Griffin Armament Blast Shield, EOTech EXPS-2 holographic sight, and Maxim Defense SCW buttstock. Loaded with 1x 30 round magazine, hero has five spare mags between his belt and plate carrier (180 rounds total).

Loadout 2:

Pump-action shotgun (I can't decide between a Remington 870 Marine Magnum or a Mossberg 590A1 w/ Marinecote finish) with an 18.5" barrel and six-shot magazine tube. Worked over by Vang Comp: has their barrel system, ghost-ring sights, and detachable side carrier ammo carrier system. Has short LOP stock (Mesa Tactical if I go with the Remington, MagPul if I go with the Mossberg). Starts with six shells in the tube, one carrier w/ six rounds on the receiver, and five more carriers between his belt and plate carrier (42x rounds total). Stoked with low-recoil 00-buckshot.

Both weapons are equipped with a sling and a light.

So... which do you choose and why?
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    Re: Army Yourself - and Help Me Arm My Character
    « Reply #1 on: April 09, 2020, 01:42:28 am »
    Under the circumstances and given the choices I'd opt for the AR15.  Depending on what ammo is loaded in those magazines ( M855? M855A1?Mk262?  some flavor of commercial loading? ) it would be hard to not choose it over either of the pump shotguns.  Which brings me to this question:  Why a pump gun instead of a semi-automatic and why low recoil buck shot instead of full snort ammo?   :hmm

    Also, how does a former U.S. Navy Seal Team member - on a body guard gig - get talked out of having at least one handgun on his person at all times while working and what is his EDC blade of choice? 

    Lots of questions about the scenario as well but no need for you to wade through all that right now.   :coffee
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    « Reply #2 on: April 09, 2020, 04:06:16 am »
    I hate to be "that guy", but I have to offer "option C".

    AR pistol in 300 Blackout, 8 or 9 inch barrel.

    Why?
    It stay's out of NFA land.
    MUCH more easily concealed than an M-4 sized weapon.
    With Supers it's roughly equivalent to 7.62x39, a quite serviceable round.
    With subs it's on par with a 10mm, less concern of over-penetration, and easily suppressed (more about that in a moment).
    While he might have to worry about AR pistol legality state to state when back home, he has that same issue with any AR platform.   In Euro land he's up a creek without a paddle in any case unless the client's cash is getting the rules bent for in in any case.   Once in Dubai, as with many places in the ME, wasta would  really determine weather or not he'd be able to be armed.

    ON the suppressor issue, while they'd be an NFA item in the US they aren't quite as regulated overseas. Add in that he'd be outside the law in most European jurisdictions simply by being armed in the first place, and that making a serviceable and reliable can takes only a few hours I wouldn't see it as unrealistic if he whipped one up at the start of such a job overseas and tossed it over the side at the end of the job.


    Keep in mind, IRL there is a floating armory (privately owned British corp if memory serves)  in the gulf which supplies arms to security details on board ships transiting through that area so that the weapons can be secured before entering Emirates waters and avoiding the restrictions on arms.   


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    « Reply #3 on: April 09, 2020, 10:14:05 am »
    Under the circumstances and given the choices I'd opt for the AR15.  Depending on what ammo is loaded in those magazines ( M855? M855A1?Mk262?  some flavor of commercial loading? ) it would be hard to not choose it over either of the pump shotguns.  Which brings me to this question:  Why a pump gun instead of a semi-automatic and why low recoil buck shot instead of full snort ammo?   :hmm

    Also, how does a former U.S. Navy Seal Team member - on a body guard gig - get talked out of having at least one handgun on his person at all times while working and what is his EDC blade of choice? 

    Lots of questions about the scenario as well but no need for you to wade through all that right now.   :coffee

    I didn't mention his sidearm or blade(s) because they're not going to change no matter what his long gun is: SIG P226 in 9mm, fitted with a Surefire X400 Ultra w/ Green laser; Emerson CQC-15 in his pocket, and SOG SEAL 2000 knife on his plate carrier. He also carries a S&W 642 in an ankle rig.

    Pump over semiauto because pump-action shotguns are subject to fewer legal restrictions than semiautos both stateside and abroad, though if he's also bringing an AR with him, that's probably bunk. Low-recoil ammo to facilitate faster follow-up shots (and 8x or 9x 00 pellets at 1150-ish FPS still isn't anything to sneeze at). If I do switch him to a semiauto shotgun (either a Benelli M4 or Beretta 1301 Tactical), he'll be stoking them with full-snot loads).

    Preferred ammo choices are:
    • Sidearm: Speer 124 gr +P
    • Backup gun: Federal 130 gr +P HST Micro
    • Carbine: Hornady LE 55-gr TAP Urban
    • Shotgun: Federal LE 8-pellet Low Recoil 00-Buck w/ Flitecontrol wad (or Honady TAP Light Magnum w/ Versatite wad if I switch him to a semiauto)

    Though when operating OCONUS, he uses whatever he can get his hands on.

    I should probably also mention that the guy who hired him (the heiress' daddy) is a multibillionaire real estate & private equity magnate with government connections all over the world, so he should have more than enough pull to ensure that our hero can go armed pretty much wherever he needs to.

    And the AR is going to get plenty of use in the beginning of the book and towards the end. I'm just not sure if he should roll with a shotgun on board the yacht or not. Nor do I want to equip him with the "ideal" tool for a given situation: I want to give him something of a challenge by having to "work around" his current kit a bit. That makes things a bit more interesting IMO.
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    « Reply #4 on: April 09, 2020, 10:46:20 am »
    I'm with LowKey on this one... a lot more versatility in one rig, depending on ammo choice.

    I can even point you to the parts to make aforementioned suppressor...  :whistle

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    « Reply #5 on: April 09, 2020, 12:46:06 pm »
    Oh my lanta.... I just realized that I wrote "Army Yourself" as the thread title, not "Arm Yourself!"  :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm Big self- :bash
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    « Reply #6 on: April 09, 2020, 11:41:58 pm »
    Or, Navy Yourself in this case .  .  .   :whistle

    My big question with the .300 AAC Blackout is not its effectiveness but rather its availability outside the United States.  NATO spec 5.56 is going to be pretty universally available anyplace they are likely to go.  Having an uber useful pistol length AR pattern gun isn't much good if you're short of the ammo to run it. 

    Re: the carbine loadout - I'd give him a few rounds of something with a little more a## behind it in case he needs to over-penetrate a barrier to defeat a threat.  Maybe some M855A1 or Mk262 .  .  .   :hmm

    Re: the backup gun - wouldn't something in 9mm simplify the logistics and load-out considerably?   Ammo compatibility would seem to be a good idea unless our hero has a sentimental attachment to the S&W 642 or wheel guns in general.   :hmm
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    « Reply #7 on: April 10, 2020, 01:24:21 am »
    I'd go with the AR.  You can load it with ammo capable of penetrating body armor, get quick follow up shots, much higher capacity for the same weight and bulk, faster reloads, shorter barrel for easier maneuvering in the tight space of a yacht (is that a collapsible stock?) and your character is intimately familiar with it. 


    I too would ditch the back up revolver for something in 9mm, say a Ruger LC9.
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    « Reply #8 on: April 10, 2020, 02:30:08 am »
    Fair question.
    The Dutch Maritime Spec Ops use it, and apparently some British elements as well (they've ordered a crapton of it).  In civilian supply chains in Europe?  :hmm

    As the employer is mega-yacht rich and influential I suspect  getting a few crates of ammo put into the yacht's armory at the same time the cases of champagne were being brought aboard shouldn't present a burden. :cool




    My big question with the .300 AAC Blackout is not its effectiveness but rather its availability outside the United States.  NATO spec 5.56 is going to be pretty universally available anyplace they are likely to go.  Having an uber useful pistol length AR pattern gun isn't much good if you're short of the ammo to run it. 

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    « Reply #9 on: April 10, 2020, 10:19:18 am »
    He likes the wheelgun because if worst comes to worst - say he's on the grown wrestling with a bad guy - he can shove the muzzle into the BG's body and pull the trigger without worrying about putting the gun going out of battery.

    Good point about the carbine loads needing some more oomph. My thought process was that his employer (he works for a private security firm; said firm was hired by the magnate to protect the heiress and he was assigned the job) wants to keep ricochets, overpenetration, barrier penetration, and "collateral damage" to a minimum (since when it comes down to it, they want to get sued about as much as any other company does), hence the lightweight, easily-fragmenting bullets.
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    « Reply #10 on: April 10, 2020, 03:32:21 pm »
    Fair question.
    The Dutch Maritime Spec Ops use it, and apparently some British elements as well (they've ordered a crapton of it).  In civilian supply chains in Europe?  :hmm

    As the employer is mega-yacht rich and influential I suspect  getting a few crates of ammo put into the yacht's armory at the same time the cases of champagne were being brought aboard shouldn't present a burden. :cool

    I imagine that floating armory would have some as well, but yeah, having a crate brought on board wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility, either.

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    « Reply #11 on: April 10, 2020, 10:13:39 pm »
    Another thing that I'll point out - it would heighten the tension in the story if he doesn't have a crate of 5k rounds to fall back on.  Maybe they had trouble at their last port, and most of it was confiscated except for some that he had squirrelled away.

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    « Reply #12 on: April 10, 2020, 10:50:21 pm »
    Ruger LCR in 9mm?
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    « Reply #13 on: April 10, 2020, 10:51:12 pm »
    Well, as long as we're picking this story to pieces before it ever gets written I have a few other questions  -  but those will be posted at the invitation of the OP rather than me just hijacking the thread in other directions.    :coffee
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    « Reply #14 on: April 11, 2020, 10:01:45 am »
    Another thing that I'll point out - it would heighten the tension in the story if he doesn't have a crate of 5k rounds to fall back on.  Maybe they had trouble at their last port, and most of it was confiscated except for some that he had squirrelled away.

    Exactly. That's actually one of the reasons why I was contemplating the shotgun: he only has an extremely limited round count to work with, and he has to somehow keep the pirates at bay until help arrives.... if it ever does.

    Ruger LCR in 9mm?

     :doh I'd completely forgotten about that. That might work.

    Well, as long as we're picking this story to pieces before it ever gets written I have a few other questions  -  but those will be posted at the invitation of the OP rather than me just hijacking the thread in other directions.    :coffee

    By all means. Hijack away.

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    « Reply #15 on: April 11, 2020, 02:39:47 pm »
    Ok - here goes:   :cool

    I was wondering about the location of the attack.  I am assuming it doesn't take place on the Red Sea but actually out in the Gulf of Aden.   :hmm

    If that is the case, it brings to mind a few particulars about the yacht and its crew and complement.  Most gigabuck private yachts these days are pretty danged fast and well equipped.  Unless it is an old vintage craft, they aren't some oil tanker or wallowing turd of a vessel you can run down with a second hand fishing boat.  So, if the attack takes place in open water they could likely outrun the attack either with outright speed ( some of those yachts are capable of sustained speeds in excess of 40 knots ) or turn it into a stern chase and drag it out until the attackers run low on fuel and have to turn back. 

    Anything big enough to carry a dozen men and fast enough to catch the yacht is going to show up on radar so even if it is some sort of ambush close to shore the captain/helmsman/pilot will have some warning of what is happening.  A hundred meter yacht isn't going to accelerate like a ski boat but if you peg the throttles its going to move and it will get up to top speed in calm seas in a mile or two at most with the hydraulic trim systems they have now.  In open water even a hundred meter boat is small enough to make maneuvering to avoid obstacles and attackers a viable defense.  Put the prow into the wind and let your twin screws and 10,000 horsepower give you the advantage over lesser craft.  A smaller boat even with a greater top speed is at a disadvantage in a headwind when trying to overtake a larger boat - even in a following sea.  If its powered by an outboard motor, or motors and there are swells that will occasionally bring a prop out of the water or close enough to the surface to cause cavitation the effect is even greater.  Two such boats can work in tandem if they have a plan of attack but once the crew is alerted and the yacht is up to speed its a tough nut to crack.  Our hero knows this type of scenario from his seal team training and can plan and act accordingly. 

    Which brings me to the crew and the on board security detail.  A modern yacht requires a relatively small crew even counting cabin stewards but there would still be as many as 15-20 people on board all told.   If the security detail is positioned two at the stern, two at the bow and two on each side to repel boarding attempts they can make life pretty difficult even with subguns vs attackers at close range.  The captain will have been on the radio broadcasting a mayday on all frequencies from the moment the attack became apparent and the crew will have surely armed themselves from that armory you mentioned, no?  If I was a billionaire on my own yacht and it came under attack I think I might arm myself as well - even if it offended my cultured European sensibilities.   :hmm   At any rate, unless the yacht was sabotaged or otherwise betrayed by a crew member or at its last maintenance stop, the boys from Somalia are going to have to bring their A game and have luck on their side to bring this one off.  IMO 

    As the author, you can set the scene any way you choose and the scenario can unfold however you imagine it but these are some of the things that occurred to me after reading the OP.   :coffee

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    « Reply #16 on: April 11, 2020, 05:41:42 pm »
    Fair warning, some of the answers contain plot spoilers.

    The attack takes place either in the Gulf or close to where the Gulf empties into the Red Sea. Haven't worked out an exact location yet. Definitely within the AOA of Combined Task Force 151. As soon as the captain realizes what's going down, he alters course towards the last-known position of the nearest Coalition warship and goes full speed ahead.

    M/V Throne of Neptune was built for luxury, not speed. She's only capable of ~20 knots flat out. The attackers have a mothership capable of equal and/or greater speed, and and multiple small craft (skiffs/RIBs) capable of much higher speed (40+ knots). Also, the attacking vessels initially approach from off the yacht's bow, so the yacht does have to reverse course, which costs them time and distance.

    While the owner is aboard, he does not arm himself, and his security detail wouldn't allow it even if he wanted to (let's just say that this is not a guy you want handling a gun!). The detail is able to thwart most of the attackers, i.e. keep some from boarding and prevent the rest from reaching the bridge, engineering section, or panic area. However, due to reasons, the bodyguard and the heiress are cut off from those areas.

    Also, and this is the biggie: this isn't actually a pirate attack per-se. Without spoiling too much, the yacht is not the target. The heiress is. The yacht was indeed betrayed (won't say by who), and the pirates may not actually be pirates, but mercenaries posing as pirates (haven't decided that yet). And once the attackers realize that their target is not in any of the secure areas, they concentrate most of their forces on her location vs. actually seizing the ship. Fortunately, or hero is able to get himself and the heiress into a pretty good defensible position and force the attackers into a standoff for several hours until a rescue force (Either a U.S. Navy VBSS Team, SEALs, Marine Force Recon, or non-US Equivalent of one of the aforementioned) boards the yacht and neutralizes the remaining hostiles.
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    « Reply #17 on: April 11, 2020, 06:22:17 pm »
    ...  This could very easily be the "Plan A" first act of the book (with the baddies being hired pirates, not actual mercs), with "Plan B" being actual mercs in port (who may be more successful than the pirates) as Act 2, and Act 3 is the hero rescuing the heiress, with the Big Plot Reveal.

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    « Reply #18 on: April 11, 2020, 06:23:42 pm »
    Fair enough.  I figured it was some sort of sketchy business involving a betrayal of trust and a target of opportunity. 

    Point is, even approaching from dead ahead, unless the "mothership" is involved there is no need for a craft the size of the yacht to fear a collision with a skiff or a Zodiac RIB unless the thing is a floating bomb.  The best tactic is not to reverse course but to steer around any obstacle and maintain speed - a point known by anybody qualified to operate a motor vessel of that class - unless they are in on the kidnapping attempt.  Even if there is a potential for collision with a larger vessel - under those circumstances it would definitely be preferable to an attempt to reverse course. 

    Assuming they are close in size, the yacht is almost certainly more maneuverable than the Somali "mothership" and trying to ram another vessel at speed is not a sure thing if the target is trying to avoid it.   A glancing blow is the most likely result even if contact is made.  ( notwithstanding the recent silliness exhibited by the Venezuelan navy . . .  :facepalm ) Again, a stern chase is always a long one and time is what they are playing for here so that card has to be played, no?  As for the smaller craft, run them down and don't look back but keeping the speed up is vital to thwarting any attempted boarding by the attackers who manage to come alongside.  Dead in the water is what happens if they manage to disable you - not something you agree to unless you are ordered to surrender by an enemy with big guns ( not mentioned ) and even then if I were piloting that yacht I'd tell the boss he can fire me later but right now we're underway so sit down and shut up while I drive the boat.

    Or so it seems to me.    :coffee


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    « Reply #19 on: April 11, 2020, 07:08:31 pm »
    Sabotage by the traitor?

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    « Reply #20 on: April 11, 2020, 07:11:00 pm »
    Hmm... good points all, coelacanth. Maybe the puppetmaster (calling him a "Big Bad" would be giving him too much credit, and he'd probably relish the title) is able to sabotage the engines somehow. Though the "mothership" is much smaller than the yacht, 30-40 m at max, and a single deck vs Throne of Triton's 5 or 6 (again, still working out the details). And I do envision some of the pirates/mercs in the mothership and/or skiffs being armed with RPGs. D'you think those would be big enough "guns" to force a surrender? Maybe the owner freaks and orders the crew to stand down when the first RPGs safety detonate over the bridge? Nah, I can see the captain and security detail alike overruling him there.

    ...  This could very easily be the "Plan A" first act of the book (with the baddies being hired pirates, not actual mercs), with "Plan B" being actual mercs in port (who may be more successful than the pirates) as Act 2, and Act 3 is the hero rescuing the heiress, with the Big Plot Reveal.

    .... you're not that far off. Though I'm envisioning this as "Plan B," with "Plan A" being an attempted snatch/assassination in Monaco, "Plan C" being another attempt - this time by a smaller yet actual professional crew - in Dubai, and "Plan D" ultimately succeeding when the bodyguard decides to take the heiress back to the U.S.A. and hide out there. The ultimate climax - which includes the Big Plot Reveal - will involve our hero conducting what amounts to an illegal incursion into another sovereign country with a small team of his ex-SEAL buddies to rescue the heiress.

    And before y'all say anything, I've noticed a lot of former military guys on here have mentioned having lists of old buddies they'd call if they ever had to get into a gunfight. And I've been listening to the Team Never Quit Podcast as well: Marcus Luttrell, Rut, and "The Wizard" are all ex- (and I think "Wizard is still active-duty) SEALs, and they've repeatedly said "oh, yeah, so-and-so's a good dude. He's on my list. I ever gotta go an' take care of business again, I'm callin' him."
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    « Reply #21 on: April 11, 2020, 08:29:42 pm »
    You could likely have the 'pirates' rig some props to fail under more than normal acceleration. It would seem believable to pull off. 
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    Re: Army Yourself - and Help Me Arm My Character
    « Reply #22 on: April 11, 2020, 08:57:59 pm »
    You could likely have the 'pirates' rig some props to fail under more than normal acceleration. It would seem believable to pull off. 

    The pirates themselves (assuming I use real pirates and not mercs) probably aren't going to be able to pull that off. Half-starved Somalis would definitely be noticed in a place line Monaco. And I'm not sure how easy it would be to sabotage the screws themselves, especially while berthed in (what I'm assuming to be) fairly tight quarters.

    That said, while I'm no mechanical expert, I imagine that there has to be some kind of transmission or reduction gear mechanism that connects the engines to the shafts. Those could possibly be rigged to fail if the engines were to hit a certain RPM, right?
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    « Reply #23 on: April 11, 2020, 09:17:10 pm »
    Ooh! Here's a thought.

    M/Y Throne of Neptune is a pretty new yacht - 5 years old or less. I imagine that most of the engineering equipment could be computer controlled. Could the saboteur conceivably  hack into the yacht's computer system and insert some code that basically says "If the engines run at greater than or equal to X-RPMs for Y-length of time, activate emergency engine shutdown protocols" or something to that effect that causes the engines to go offline long enough for the pirates to reach and board the vessel.
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    « Reply #24 on: April 11, 2020, 09:58:44 pm »
    At 30-40 meters it is unlikely that the pirate's "mothership" is a single deck vessel unless it is a cargo carrier converted to other purposes.  Maybe a riverine or coastal waters vessel originally.  If that is the case, it might be able to muster 20-25 knots if lightly loaded but the hull shape is what limits the top speed on such a vessel - not the engine power.  The yacht is likely better designed, built and suited to cruising at that speed even if it is an older boat. 

    If the motor yacht is that much bigger and, indeed, has multiple decks then boarding her from alongside in a skiff or a Zodiac type RIB or even a fishing trawler is an iffy proposition at best.  As for RPG's, they can be formidable weapons at relatively close range but they are limited to roughly a thousand yards and hit probability goes down dramatically if they are not fired from a stable platform.  They are essentially unguided rockets with a hefty charge of high explosive on board unless you get into the more exotic warheads that are made for the latest versions. They are not generally timed or proximity fused and would not detonate until impact so getting one to detonate over the bridge is unlikely. 

    A boat the size of the yacht could likely survive several direct hits from RPGs without being crippled unless the attackers got lucky and hit something critical the first shot or two.  That would be less likely if they were firing from a smaller faster craft bouncing over the waves in pursuit while being fired upon from the target.  A hit at the water line could slow the yacht if the damage was near the bow but getting close enough to make that hit a probability would probably put that small boat inside 200 yards and certainly put that crew under fire from the yacht's crew and security detail. 

    The crew of the yacht would also likely be dropping dye markers and popping the orange pyrotechnic orange smoke grenades that float and emit huge volumes of orange smoke for about 15 minutes - all things designed to make you visible from the air and requiring all maritime observers to come render aid when the markers are seen.  All ocean going vessels have this equipment on board as a matter of international maritime law.   
      In a hot spot like the Gulf of Aden you can bet that reconnaissance aircraft and maybe even satellites would be observing those markers and calling in the coordinates and/or going to investigate.  Its a major oil transshipment route and everybody is watching.  Air assets could be on station there in an hour or less.  Hell, even the South Koreans have navy vessels on anti-terrorism, anti-piracy patrol duties there so its a busy stretch of water.

    Stand-off distances for ocean going vessels in open water are at least 3000+ yards under normal operating conditions so anything approaching that distance would not only stand out on radar and probably trigger an audible warning tone on the bridge, it would trigger a radio hail to the approaching vessel requiring a response.  Failure to respond or anything that looked even remotely sketchy would be a huge red flag in the area off the Somali coast and you can also bet much of the radio traffic in that area is also being monitored for signs of terrorist activity.   At 3000 yards your RPG might as well be a bottle rocket.  Now, deck mounted weapons on the "mother ship" are another thing entirely and a heavy machine gun or cannon in the 20mm range can be employed at that kind of range but accurate fire depends on trained gun crew(s) and calm seas.  Larger guns of the breech loaded variety can stretch that range out beyond 5000+ yards but again, depend on trained gun crews to make hits on moving targets. 

    Plebian's idea of sabotaging the yacht - maybe at its last maintenance stop, or at the Suez Canal might be plausible.   :hmm    Perhaps a contact mine attached to the hull or rudder surfaces and designed to be triggered electronically.   :hmm    That would effectively make the yacht dead in the water and  make the crew very busy with other things while a nearby ship answered the distress call raising no suspicion until it was too late for the security detail to effectively prevent being boarded.   :hmm 
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