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Arm Yourself: 24 Hours Until The Apocalypse
« on: March 18, 2019, 03:57:53 pm »
In the light of Raptor's recent thread, here is another of our favorite time wasters:

You are a broke college student attending the closest university to where you live in real life. (So you can be familiar with the terrain and demographics)  Things have been simmering for a while, in the vein of Armed Praetorian's latest book: (his best, btw) the Left and Right hate each other, as do all of the separate races, but the attacks on our country have not yet happened.  Until now.

You get a visit from your guardian angel, telling you that the infrastructure is going to be targetted tomorrow at rush hour - 24 hours from now, and that you need to make yourself ready.  This is the only advice or direct help he will give you throughout. 

You take stock of your situation: You are living in your recently deceased grandmother's house, four blocks from campus. You chose this college specifically so you could help take care of her.  The rest of the family lives on the exact opposite side of the country, so upon her death they decided to let you stay through the end of college, and to gift you her '99 Corolla.  Per Granny's insistence, you have the house in pristine shape: the lawn is mowed, the porch is painted, etc...  The front yard still has her last batch of flowers growing.  Unfortunately, the house is located between two neighborhoods, what will be scared college kids on one side, and hostile minorities on the other.  Bottom line, as nice as it is, your house Will be getting looted.

On the upside, Granny has five month's worth (for her) of food squirreled away in the pantry.  The bad news is it is all in glass mason jars, and is heavy as hell.  Gramps had a single or double (you pick) barrel break action shotgun in the ever popular 16 gauge, and 20 rounds of birdshot to go with it, and he also had some basic hand tools in the basement.   And that is all you start with...  You have no personal firearms, though you do know how to shoot.

So there you are, 24 hours from the apocalypse, and you have... $500 in the bank.  Add another $700 if you want to max out your credit cards. (Broke college kid, remember?)  You could also choose to sell the Corolla, for an optimistic $500 more, but then you have no wheels.  So $1200-1700 max.


What do you do first?  Second?  How do you wisely spend your money?  Cash will be useless after tomorrow, so be sure to use it all.


As a bonus, you have a gun nut college friend who you might ask for help/advice.  He lives on campus, so he does not have any with him, but he shoots 3-gun at home.  His down side is he has a serious caffeine habit, downing 5 or more 'energy drinks' a day.  If you choose to invite him, you just inherited that too...

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    « Reply #1 on: March 18, 2019, 04:29:52 pm »
    Gas up the Corolla, put any and everything of any possible use in it and get a 20+ hour head start on getting away from the local nexus of craziness.  There are few cities able to support a university of any size that are not within a six hour drive of a comparatively rural area and under that scenario I would definitely want to be away from any large, urban population centers.  Just removing yourself from the "blast radius" of the immediate panic and subsequent anarchy and societal upheaval increases your chances of survival long term. 

    Arriving somewhere you choose before the wheels fall completely off allows you to spend your money in a locality that may not succumb to panic and anarchy at the first hint of danger.  If you have been seen around town before the fertilizer hits the ventilator and have secured lodging with a local hotel, motel, home for rent or what have you it will be easier to try and blend in - particularly with a local license plate on the car.  Better still if you are seen as someone looking for work locally and not part of the crazed hordes that may follow the attack(s) on the infrastructure at some point.  Becoming part of the solution instead of part of the problem is going to be critical to being accepted in your new environment.

    Tribalism can be dealt with.  Alliances will be formed.  Point is, knowledge and respect will definitely become the coin of the realm among those who survive the initial spasm.   The ability to think clearly, assess a situation quickly and accurately and form a plan to deal with it is going to become a very valuable skill set in fairly short order.  There is no amount of stuff you can carry that will save you if you don't have those skills and people with those skills can, to some degree, adapt to whatever situation they find themselves in. 

    At any rate, I think that's how I'd do it.   :coffee



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    « Reply #2 on: March 18, 2019, 08:26:35 pm »
    At any rate, I think that's how I'd do it.   :coffee
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    Certainly, I was looking more at how to make ways to stay reasonably local, but you do make good points.

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    « Reply #3 on: March 18, 2019, 08:58:26 pm »
    Just trying to work within the parameters of the problem as described.   :cool
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    « Reply #4 on: March 18, 2019, 09:08:03 pm »
    Just trying to work within the parameters of the problem as described.   :cool
    True, though I would be interested to see what items you would choose to stock up on, if cash were to become worthless after tomorrow.

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    « Reply #5 on: March 18, 2019, 09:52:29 pm »
    Well, you start with the premise that what I said in the last paragraph of the earlier post is true - and I believe it is.  Then you combine that with the other thread about being magically transported to some fantasy world that is an analog for the medieval period where you will have to prepare for battle.  Superimpose the two and you end up with something close to what I would try for.  All of the things I referenced in my reply to that other thread would be good things to have in your scenario as well. 

    Depending on where you end up and what the local situation is, something or maybe several somethings will become the default currency for at least the time being.  Unless you find yourself in an all out war of attrition some form of commerce will emerge.  Barter is fairly easy but it is hard to practice on a large scale or over a long period of time.  Especially as consumables are used up or become unusable over time and can't be readily replaced. 

    Modern people, those of us born in the twenty first century and the latter half of the twentieth will have to reorder the entire thought process we adopted - particularly if "the infrastructure" that we have known and depended on our entire lives is a goner.  The entire idea of "leisure time" is going to die.  It's passing will be mourned by all but make no mistake - its done.  Quaint ideas with no basis in reality, like socialism, will also die along with it.  It will take a while but words that end with "ism" and "phobia" will also disappear along with the ideas that gave birth to them.  The natural world will re-emerge with a vengeance once the veneer of technological civilization wears off.   

    Which brings me back to the previous paragraph.  A few things have intrinsic value but for humans most things have value based upon what someone is willing to do or part with to attain them.  The first 6 months to a year of your proposed world are going to be a very free-wheeling period in terms of what is valuable and what isn't because some people are slower learners than others.   

    Clean water, good sanitation, medical equipment -  food, clothing, shelter - tools, weapons, consumables - reference materials for all areas of knowledge.  All of these things are vital to long term survival and all of them can be traded, bartered, sold or otherwise transferred by mutual consent as long as everybody has enough brains to play it straight up.  Unfortunately some people are slower learners than others.




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    « Reply #6 on: March 18, 2019, 11:09:56 pm »
    Another thought, brought on by your response to the other thread...

    Coffee.

    Buy up $300 of the cheapest coffee you can find, then another $300 worth of vacuum sealed beans.

    Within a month or two, your cheap coffee will be more valuable than gold.  Then hold the beans for a year, to give a taste of the 'old days.'  Played out correctly, you could be a very wealthy and popular man.

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    « Reply #7 on: March 18, 2019, 11:37:47 pm »
    Yup.  Lots of ways to play it - the key is to be flexible.   Most folks these days are more addicted to sugar than to caffeine and it doesn't require vacuum sealing or refrigeration.  Just sayin'  .  .  .   :coffee
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    « Reply #8 on: March 19, 2019, 01:09:05 pm »
    Buy as much TP, coffee, liquor, and ammo as I can. The first three will be super valuable after everything falls apart. The fourth will help me hold on to everything else.

    Either that or buy hockey pads, leather bondage gear, and a beat-up hot rod. ;)

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    « Reply #9 on: March 20, 2019, 01:10:53 am »
     :facepalm
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    « Reply #10 on: March 20, 2019, 01:51:05 am »
    Ok, unless I'm a member of the minority group near Granny's house, I'm bugging out.  Especially if it is the nearest city with a University near me, which would be Phoenix.  The 16 gauge & ammo is worthless for anything but hunting birds, so a self defense gun is in order.  Since you mention that a friend is a gun nut, that implies that I'm not one.  So ask him how to quickly trade the shotgun for something for SD.  Probably a trip to a pawn shop.  I'd tell him what is up, and if he wants to go with, he has to max out his financial resources as well, and pay for his own caffeine addiction.  I'm then loading up the car with the food, whatever stuff I truly value, gas up the car, maybe get some gas cans and fill them as well.  I guess at that point I head out to some small town that's off the beaten path and hope for the best.
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    « Reply #11 on: March 20, 2019, 01:31:04 pm »
    Ok, unless I'm a member of the minority group near Granny's house, I'm bugging out.  Especially if it is the nearest city with a University near me, which would be Phoenix. 
    I should have worded that part better.  Specifically, these people are of whatever race you are not.  If you are black, for instance, change their race to redneck white.  The important thing is that they are hostile toward you, and they are going to be hungry.


    I waited to give my own plan until three other people had posted, and this is what I was planning before Coelacanth made his points:

    I would keep the car, definitely.  Nothing like having wheels that work.  I would probably invite my friend along, even if that means $50 of cheap coffee would have to go toward weaning him off of his addiction.

    I am lucky, in the nearest major college (not technically a university, I just discovered) is in a relatively smaller city.  That doesn't change the fact that it does have some rough neighborhoods just a few blocks away, but at least it is not urban.  The threat demographics would be both city blacks and crackheads of any color, both of which are local to the college.  Bugging out is definitely a good idea for the first month.  Once things blow over, returning may be feasible.

    I would take as many useful tools with me as possible in the trunk, (this includes the shotgun and ammo) because anything left behind will be looted.  After the tools, as much of Granny's canned food as I could fit in the car.  Prioritize fruits and starches (corn, peas, potatoes) over vegetables, simply because of the caloric value, though I would not willingly leave veggies behind either.  My friend has to fill the front seat, so not much space to be had in the car.  Then it is time to spend what little we have.

    My first priority would be clothes. (and keep in mind, this is my original list, before Coelacanth responded.  Three pairs of good, sturdy jeans for me, as well as maybe five sturdy work shirts, and several packages of good socks and a sewing kit.  Then two pairs of the sturdiest work boots I can afford.  This will probably run $500 or so, and that is what I would figure the friend has, so hopefully he spends his money toward the same.

    With limited funds, I would not spend much on weaponry.  I would make sure each of us had a decent fixed blade, so figure $100-150 there.  A box or two more of birdshot for the shotgun, and a few boxes of slugs or buck if they have it. $100.  I would buy a 9mm pocket pistol, the cheapest they have - KelTec or SCCY - and a single box of 9mm hollowpoints. $250.  This is not meant to practice or fight with, but as a last-ditch 'get off me' piece.  If friend has extra money for one, I would straw purchase one for him too. (out of state college student, can't buy a handgun)

    This is leaving maybe $200 for the rest, which I would probably invest in some gasoline and cans once I get to wherever I am going, and hide them out of town somewhere.


    This has some obvious holes in it, now I have read other replies.  My plan was to disappear for a month, wait for everyone to get hungry, riot, loot, and then try to come back and reclaim the house.  If it is still standing.  Not sure if that would be feasible, but I was planning to try.  Now looking at it, it seems best to try to maybe fit in to the small town that I was hiding out at, and hire on to a farm as a laborer.  Because when the balloon goes up, only the farmers are going to have food.  City dwellers, not so much...
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    « Reply #12 on: March 20, 2019, 06:47:33 pm »
    I'm headed to the most predatory financial loaning institution in the area, followed  by the most predatory self financing car lot, followed by a heading to a loan shark.   The I hit up all the"I will buy your home"  adds and signs until I find one with cash.   All together I should be able to come up with 50-80k.
    Mixed with hitting pawn shops and the cheaper grocery stores/scratch and dent stores; that should net me a serviceable 4x4 pickup,  a 20ft (or so) tow behind travel trailer,  a few barrels of fuel,  LOTS of calories in cans, granny's food stored inside the trailer and pick-up, a decent used AR plus 1k ammo,  a decent 9mm handgun plus 500 rounds, water filter, and assorted kit. 

    Alternatively, hit up all the cash sources above, then snoop through the local marinas for a goodly sized sailboat with a reverse osmosis system, load it up and buy a crap-ton of spares as well as fishing gear (nets and lines), meds from the local feed store,  and maybe some PMs on the off chance that I head for a non-US port.

    In short, borrow against everything I can (car, house, and CC) followed by loading up on meds, equipment, and food, with an upgrade to decent semi-auto rifles and handguns.

    And yes, I'm taking my caffeine addict friend.  The addiction will pass...after we've gone though the coffee.

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    « Reply #13 on: March 20, 2019, 10:30:23 pm »
    While I like the line of thinking, two things: One, he doesn't own the home.  One of his parents and their siblings own it, by virtue of the grandmother's passing.  They are just letting him live there for free, something about him stepping up to look out for her during her last years.  The second thing is... While tracking you down via your social security number is going to be a lot harder for a few years, figure on the payday loan places using other-than-legal methods of collecting from their clients.  If I did that, I would want to be 300 miles away, at the least.

    ETA: Those self-financing car lots all have trackers in their vehicles, as well as remote shutoffs.  At least, the ones around here all do.  They also require weekly payments, or the truck gets shut off on the 8th day..  Maybe the satellite system and remote comms will be totally knocked out, but I would not bank on it.
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    « Reply #14 on: March 20, 2019, 10:52:15 pm »
    I also like the idea about getting a pickup.  Depending on how much I could scam/borrow, I might trade the Toyota into a pickup with a camper shell.  If I couldn't get enough, then maybe convert the steal-borrowing into God's own US Silver coins.  Then once I got where I was going, check into a cheap motel near an industrial park, (less population density) move all the loot inside, and liquidate the car.  Convert it to silver as well.

    As soon as balloon goes up, people start to panic.  As the first few days go on, people will start to realize the scope of the problem and the 'why didn't I buy silver' thoughts start...  Then you show up with a few bags of silver, saying that you want to trade for a good pickup with a shell.  Do this about three days after the gas supply dries up, and you'll have your pick.

    Drive it out to wherever you hid your gasoline supply, and fill it up with stabilized gas.  Top it off.  Trade a welder a can of pears to tack weld the gas cap cover shut, check out of the motel, and drive to wherever you want to call 'home' for a while.

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    « Reply #15 on: March 20, 2019, 10:54:51 pm »
    While I like the line of thinking, two things: One, he doesn't own the home.  One of his parents and their siblings own it, by virtue of the grandmother's passing.  They are just letting him live there for free, something about him stepping up to look out for her during her last years.  The second thing is... While tracking you down via your social security number is going to be a lot harder for a few years, figure on the payday loan places using other-than-legal methods of collecting from their clients.  If I did that, I would want to be 300 miles away, at the least.

    Agreed. I'm not even sure it'd be worth it to look over your shoulder for that long :hide.

    Like you, I made a (rough) plan in my head and then waited for everyone else to reply.

    Having seen others plans, I'm not sure how mine stacks up. I liked coelacanths, but I'm not sure if 24 hours is long enough to ingratiate yourself amongst the populace. They might just see you as someone to loot.

    Other than awaiting collection day, I thought low keys was an absolute stroke up brilliance. A prepper con man is quite an eccentric character  :thumbup1 .
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    « Reply #16 on: March 20, 2019, 11:16:50 pm »
    It might be worth it to share your plan anyway.  The reason I made it not a lot of time, and not a lot of money, is in the very real chance that something like this happens in the future, we will not have even the 24 hours head start to prepare, and many will have even less cash to do it.  So this is just to get us all thinking the right way, while we can still do it from our couches.

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    « Reply #17 on: March 21, 2019, 05:16:03 pm »
    While I like the line of thinking, two things: One, he doesn't own the home. 
    Pretty sure I convince one of the less reputable "I want to buy your home" people that he does, or has a Power of Attorney* to do so.
    Even 10% of the "sale price"  upfront would be worth it.
    The second thing is... While tracking you down via your social security number is going to be a lot harder for a few years, figure on the payday loan places using other-than-legal methods of collecting from their clients.  If I did that, I would want to be 300 miles away, at the least.
    Forget payday places, I'm thinking Guido. He's gonna have much bigger problems by the time things settle out.
    ETA: Those self-financing car lots all have trackers in their vehicles, as well as remote shutoffs.  At least, the ones around here all do.  They also require weekly payments, or the truck gets shut off on the 8th day..  Maybe the satellite system and remote comms will be totally knocked out, but I would not bank on it.
    Older vehicles.  *80's and early 90's vintage, if not earlier.  Shouldn't be too difficult to remove anything if they bother to install it.


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    « Reply #18 on: March 21, 2019, 10:50:23 pm »

    * Two phone books and a silver dollar+ a hammer make an imprint that looks an awful lot like a notary seal.

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    « Reply #19 on: March 22, 2019, 05:47:57 pm »
     ;)
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    « Reply #20 on: March 24, 2019, 12:34:39 am »
    Forget payday places, I'm thinking Guido. He's gonna have much bigger problems by the time things settle out.
    Hey, watch it!  Some of us 'Guidos' might take offense to that term.

    And to the contrary, no, he will not have bigger problems than you.  You are a deadbeat borrower, the same as any other.  You might be safe if you skip town, but I wouldn't ever come back within 50 miles. Like, ever.

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    « Reply #21 on: March 24, 2019, 12:03:42 pm »
    Since you mention it, some of us 'redneck' types don't much care for that name either.  But I wasn't going to give you a hard time...
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    « Reply #22 on: March 24, 2019, 12:06:36 pm »
    I'll answer a bit different that y'all.  My youngest is attending WVU, which is our state's major university, and she lives off campus very similar to what was described.  The difference is the only 'minorities' are the fellow students.  The rest of us live not far away on the other side of the lake.  If she got a warning, I would hope and pray she had the good sense to beg borrow or steal a ride and come home.  That's if she couldn't call us for some reason.  We arent as set up as I would like, but with the strength of family we would get by.
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    « Reply #23 on: March 24, 2019, 02:19:14 pm »
    Hey, watch it!  Some of us 'Guidos' might take offense to that term.

    I never knew Guido was a bad term  :hmm . Kind of reminds me of the time I got fussed at by Czech relatives for using the term bohemian :hide .
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    « Reply #24 on: March 24, 2019, 02:54:47 pm »
    I never knew Guido was a bad term  :hmm . Kind of reminds me of the time I got fussed at by Czech relatives for using the term bohemian :hide .

    I also am Czech of Bohemian extraction, non of my known relatives are anything but hardworking God fearing people.
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