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Arm Thyself, Doomfarer of Coramonde!
« on: March 15, 2019, 01:36:00 pm »
I figure it's been far too long since we had an "arm yourself" thread. This one's a bit different. I recently read "The Doomfarers of Coramonde" by Brian Daley and am currently working on the sequel, "The Starfollowers of Coramonde." The basic premise is that a Vietnam vet gets recruited to travel into a fantasy land to help a deposed prince fight the armies of the evil wizard that has usurped his throne. Being a combat vet, he packs along several modern (for the time) firearms.

So let's say you've just agreed to take a one-way trip to a parallel world to help the deposed prince and his small band of rebels fight the vast armies of the evil wizard. The world you'll be traveling to has the technology level of the High Middle Ages. Firearms, and even blasting powder, are unknown. Horses are the sole means of transportation, barring ships at sea and barges on rivers, of course. Your adversaries will primarily be armed with blade and bow, and armored with mail and plate. But there are other creatures that you may face. Eight-foot tall lizard-men, abominations from hell itself, mayhap even a dragon or two, and other creatures that you can only begin to imagine. And your journey will be one-way only. No returning to the gold ol' USA to resupply or repair & replace your equipment.

To help finance your expedition, the Prince and his followers have been able to spare "a modest amount" of gold, silver, and jewels. Say about $100,000 at today's prices. That includes ammunition and whatever other supplies you choose to purchase, not just guns. And you must fit everything into, for the purposes of this exercise, a vehicle no bigger than 3/4 ton pickup or Suburban-size SUV.

So what do you choose, and why?

Gil MacDonald, the hero of Daley's books, chose an M-1 carbine, a Browning Hi-Power, and a Mauser C-96 "Red 9" in 9mm luger. The Carbine because it was lightweight and compact, and easily portable on horseback; the Mauser because it didn't use detachable magazines and shared ammo with the Browning; and the Browning because it was faster to reload than the Mauser and shared ammo (idea was he'd primarily use the Browning until all the magazines wore out or were lost, and then he'd make the Mauser his primary sidearm). And he brought a Bowie knife because everyone needs a good blade.
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    Re: Arm Thyself, Doomfarer of Coramonde!
    « Reply #1 on: March 15, 2019, 02:27:15 pm »
    Firearms using Black powder cased cartridges such as 45-70, 30-30, ect., and reloading equipment for them.  Add in whatever you would need to make primers from raw materials ( I can't recall what it was, but mentioned in the 1634 series).

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    « Reply #2 on: March 15, 2019, 10:56:14 pm »
    Modern first aid supplies and medical/surgical kit.  Because you can't fight if you're dead or dying from some food borne illness or a minor wound that got infected. 

    Top notch optics because being able to see the enemy before he/she/it sees you is a really good thing for you and your homies.  Binocs,  spotting scope, rifle scope, 10x loupe, 
     
    Modern blades and sharpening stones because some rock from the side of the creek bed is not likely to be able you keep your unobtainium blade in razor sharp condition. 

    A tool box full of modern tools - particularly pliers and anything else necessary to keep your gear in top shape - particularly if you think it may serve as a model for the artisans of the day to reproduce.  Modern clamps would be an example - particularly metal C-clamps and any easily reproducible screw threads. 

    Modern cordage - particularly 550 paracord, braided, high test Dacron fishing line like Spiderwire or equivalent and Kevlar strapping.  A lot of it.

    Body armor.  Particularly a plate carrier.  Modern foot wear - particularly boots in your size. 

    A shotgun.  Probably 12 gauge.  Probably pump action.  Rifle sights.  A thousand or two rounds of mixed ammo, mostly slugs ( Brenneke would be my choice ) and buckshot. 

    A heavy caliber handgun with a thousand or two rounds of ammo.  Your choice.  I'm thinking revolver here but YMMV.

    A bolt action battle rifle.  Probably a No.4 Mk.2 SMLE and a thousand or two rounds of mixed ball and hunting ammo.  Alternately, a heavy caliber Marlin lever action rifle - probably a .45/70 or a .444 Marlin with a similar amount of ammo - preferably hard cast lead, gas checked.

    A bolt action .22 rifle and a couple thousand rounds of ammunition.

    Enough modern gun care supplies and spares to keep your stuff in working order long term.




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    Re: Arm Thyself, Doomfarer of Coramonde!
    « Reply #3 on: March 17, 2019, 12:17:48 pm »
    Lessee... most melee weapons would either be available there, or made fairly easily by a relatively skilled tradesman, so I wouldn't take any of those with me, but purchase them on arrival.

    Building on Coelecanth's list...

    bars of lead and casts for making shotgun slugs & other ammo... aforementioned shotgun (3-5 in qty)...  3-5 lever action & double the number of wheelie guns in .357 or .45... tools & spare parts appropriate for each... books of arcane knowledge (chemistry, for one... chemical formulae for powders & primer, for second...).

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    Re: Arm Thyself, Doomfarer of Coramonde!
    « Reply #4 on: March 17, 2019, 01:43:38 pm »
    Easy: an Illudium Q-36 explosive space modulator.

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    Re: Arm Thyself, Doomfarer of Coramonde!
    « Reply #5 on: March 17, 2019, 02:19:25 pm »
    Remington 12 gauge double barrel shotgun
    Red Homelite XL-12 Chainsaw
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    « Reply #6 on: March 17, 2019, 07:23:33 pm »
    Umm  .  .  .  it occurs to me that there are a number of questions that would need be be answered before I would undertake such a task. 

    By whom am I being "recruited" and by what mechanism or artifice is this being done?  Assuming the ability to open portals to other worlds and to travel there beseeching aid is possible, how and why is this wondrous power not being used to defeat this pi$$ ant little prince's enemies?  Why try to hire some  broke down, would be mercenary - equip him with a truck load of gear - and then transport it all back to the world in question on the off chance that this would somehow be more effective than the abilities already demonstrated?  And, if you can travel here to get all you came for and then back again why is it not possible to come back for refit, resupply and reinforcement?  Are we really to believe this whole thing is just a one shot deal? 

    And while we're on the subject of mercenaries, what does the job pay?  Even the most unquenchable thirst for adventure requires material support and sustenance along the way and if there really is to be no return trip there better be a hell of a lot more to this than some piddly little sack of coin and baubles to get the whole thing started.   There's cold beer in the 'fridge, a bottle of whiskey in the cupboard, Nello's Pizzeria is open 'til 10:00pm a block down the street and that cute new waitress down at Frank's Tavern has been acting flirty with me for a week.  Unless you got something a lot better than that KFO.   :coffee
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    « Reply #7 on: March 17, 2019, 10:37:47 pm »
    I have to hand it to C, this is an excellent start to the list.  Everything on here (except maybe the blade part) is getting loaded first. 

    Modern first aid supplies and medical/surgical kit.  Because you can't fight if you're dead or dying from some food borne illness or a minor wound that got infected. 

    Top notch optics because being able to see the enemy before he/she/it sees you is a really good thing for you and your homies.  Binocs,  spotting scope, rifle scope, 10x loupe, 
     
    Modern blades and sharpening stones because some rock from the side of the creek bed is not likely to be able you keep your unobtainium blade in razor sharp condition. 

    A tool box full of modern tools - particularly pliers and anything else necessary to keep your gear in top shape - particularly if you think it may serve as a model for the artisans of the day to reproduce.  Modern clamps would be an example - particularly metal C-clamps and any easily reproducible screw threads. 

    Modern cordage - particularly 550 paracord, braided, high test Dacron fishing line like Spiderwire or equivalent and Kevlar strapping.  A lot of it.
    First, add some penicillin in there too. (this is the early 70s, remember)  It wouldn't last forever, but could prove to be a lifesaver in the early stages, and until the enemy is defeated. 

    Next up is BOOKS.  Lots of books.  Starting with first grade readers, phonics books, etc.  I don't want to be the designated scribe, so I need to teach the learned class (or monks, or whatever) to read English.  Then moving on in order of priority, a fourth grade health book would be a good introduction to basic hygienic practices, then maybe one at an eight grade level. That's all you really need for keeping disease to a minimum.


    Then moving on, next is to take out the enemy 'at the gates.'  Maybe a few books on the history and evolution of ancient warfare techniques.  Figure out what the enemy is using, and try to leapfrog to whatever surpassed that in our own history.  Keeping in mind that the 'deposed prince' has a small band of followers, pitched battles will not be the order of the day, but it is still good to understand.

    To take 'with me' would be a few small barrels of black powder, but not more.  Rather, a detailed description of how to make it, and how to make all of its components.  It really is not that hard, especially with 'High Middle Ages' technology.  Then take several examples of muskets along, as well as concept drawings of others.  The local guildsmen can most likely reproduce or reverse engineer them without trouble.  Both match lock and flint lock designs should be included, as well as drawings and schematics of rifled barrels and minie ball type bullets, just in case their level of tech can eventually figure that out.  Schematics of smoothbore and rifled cannons too, but that will be later down the road, for the next war.

    Given a few weeks and some effort, I can see a few dozen primitive muskets being in the hands of the loyalist forces.  A few more weeks than that, and it could be a few hundred.  I don't know how big of forces we are talking here.  Nice, long bayonets can complete the setup.

    BUT, I don't care to be using a flintlock, or black powder.  I would also take along 20 or so Remington 870s.  Wood stock and the best rubber recoil pads that the 70s had to offer.  24" barrels with rifle sights, and extended magazine tubes to flush with the end of the barrel.  500 rounds or so of top shelf Brenneke slugs per gun, as well as maybe double that of buckshot.  Some solid brass and cardboard shot shells would be brought along as examples, in the case that they can be reverse engineered and made to work with black powder, extending the useful life of the guns.

    The 20 guns would be distributed to the best, most capable followers, (chosen men, if anyone gets the reference) and those men would be something of the special forces of the army.  They would also end up being the primary force to throw against the conjured monsters.


    Once the war is over, now I am stuck there...  So I want to make it as comfortable as possible.  I would bring more BOOKS to help.  Science, technology, medicine, etc.  Basically everything but history (because it would be irrelevant) and politics. (obvious reasons)  These books would be in three levels: Basic/'For Dummies,' high school level, and college level.  No sense in trying to teach them thesis-level information, I would much rather they learn from the ground up, and see where it goes.  It would still be a vast improvement over HMA tech and knowledge.  As well, I would bring as many drawings, schematics, and whatnot of pre-19th century tech as I could.  The cotton gin, steam boilers, indoor plumbing, etc.  I may never see it, but it would give them a jump on what to work toward.

    Then just live out my days and enjoy my reward for services rendered.  :cool

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    « Reply #8 on: March 17, 2019, 10:51:37 pm »
    By whom am I being "recruited" and by what mechanism or artifice is this being done?  Assuming the ability to open portals to other worlds and to travel there beseeching aid is possible, how and why is this wondrous power not being used to defeat this pi$$ ant little prince's enemies?  Why try to hire some  broke down, would be mercenary - equip him with a truck load of gear - and then transport it all back to the world in question on the off chance that this would somehow be more effective than the abilities already demonstrated?  And, if you can travel here to get all you came for and then back again why is it not possible to come back for refit, resupply and reinforcement?  Are we really to believe this whole thing is just a one shot deal? 
    I don't know, maybe a different, friendlier wizard is able to open a portal to a parallel reality that is more advanced, but to do so, he has to sacrifice himself for the ability, and it truly is a one shot deal.  That is just part of the fantasy of it.

    And while we're on the subject of mercenaries, what does the job pay?  Even the most unquenchable thirst for adventure requires material support and sustenance along the way and if there really is to be no return trip there better be a hell of a lot more to this than some piddly little sack of coin and baubles to get the whole thing started.   There's cold beer in the 'fridge, a bottle of whiskey in the cupboard, Nello's Pizzeria is open 'til 10:00pm a block down the street and that cute new waitress down at Frank's Tavern has been acting flirty with me for a week.  Unless you got something a lot better than that KFO.   :coffee
    Ah, the musings of a retiree...  :coffee

    Good points if you are retired, but I could imagine a few ways that I would rather go through life than this...

    Regardless, if you lose, you die, and if you die you get no reward.  But if you win... You would most likely be the unquestioned savior of the realm. (or at least the reclaimer of a throne for his princely arse)  That would merit a castle or manor with servants, at the very least.  On the upper end, a fiefdom to go with that castle.  You kiss his ring, and everyone else has to kiss your lily white.  Horrible for a libertarian, but it sounds good to me.  :D

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    « Reply #9 on: March 17, 2019, 11:44:56 pm »
    Glad you approve of my list.  I like yours too except you seem to have missed the part where all of the stuff you are bringing along is supposed to fit in a Chevy Suburban sized truck.  Your load out is starting to sound more like Lewis and Clark's expedition.   :hmm   Maybe we could fudge on the size of the load a little bit but it sounds to me like you're going to need a mid sized U Haul truck just to get your stuff from this world to the next, bro.   :cool   

    I went back and re-read my own list and I think that whatever else goes, I will be bringing a considerable quantity of salt, black pepper and a few other spices I can't really do without.  I would also bring as much dried tea and coffee as I could manage.  I can't realistically be expected to survive long term on MRE's or any other field expedient rations so I'm going to have to learn to eat what the locals are eating.  That could be great or it could be enough to make you want to simply end it all.  At any rate, the outlandish importance of spices and tea and coffee to our world in terms of the amount of time, money and effort spent to procure them and ensure a steady supply makes me think that such things might be pretty important in the next world as well.   Besides, I think better and fight better if I've had a little caffeine in the morning and who knows when a handful of ground black pepper might come in handy when dealing with the forces of darkness.   :-\

    As for my, so called, current life - that was/is as much fantasy as the rest of the premise here but it was intended to illustrate the fact that I'm something of a bird-in-the-hand kind of guy - especially when dealing with shady, off world types.   Your speculation about the consequences of eventual success are attractive but they depend greatly on the beneficence of others, no?  This adventurous prince and his minions may well decide that having your books is better - and cheaper - than having you and raise up some tawdry statue to your memory in the event of your untimely death.  Just sayin'  .  .  .    :shrug

    My thinking about improving the combat capability of the prince's followers revolves around making much better bow strings out of the braided Dacron line.  A bow string that doesn't stretch much - even when wet - is a vast improvement over the medieval equivalent.  It results in longer range, higher velocity, better accuracy and the ability to use a slightly heavier arrow from the same bow with little or no adjustment necessary to the equipment or the training of the bowman.  Give them the edge with the weapons they are using now and you have an instant advantage the enemy is unaware of and likely unable to reproduce.  It also gives the rank and file fighting man confidence in "the new guy" which will likely make you better able to make things go your way should it come to a difference of opinion on how to proceed in a battle. 

    The braided Dacron line is also unsurpassed at creating unseen trip wires, dead falls, snares and the like for foraging in the field and camp security.  Field expedient repairs of essential gear are also possible using it and rudimentary sewing gear.   Very handy stuff.   :coffee 
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    « Reply #10 on: March 18, 2019, 12:15:11 am »
    If we are stuck with 1970's offerings, I'll take two Chinese milled AKs, Vietnam bring backs, satchels of magazines and a pallet of ammo to share between them.  Add two Service Six revolvers by Ruger, along with a mess of .357.  Then I'll take one of my boys with me, to continue my legacy in that world.  The guns and the ammo should outlast both of us.
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    « Reply #11 on: March 18, 2019, 10:03:04 am »
    Glad you approve of my list.  I like yours too except you seem to have missed the part where all of the stuff you are bringing along is supposed to fit in a Chevy Suburban sized truck...
    And it will, easily.  The truck was specified at a 3/4 ton, and I happen to drive one for work.  It has a single row cab, eight foot bed, and a camper shell, so that is what I am working with.  All of the items I am borrowing from your list would easily fit in the front passenger seat.  If I do not need room for a driver, most of the books I would be taking could fit up front too. 

    Which leaves drawings/schematics and weapons.  For the black powder, I was thinking three 5-gallon sized barrels, which isn't much.  30,000 shotshells is a good bit of space, but it also would stack efficiently against the firewall.  I estimate that leaves half of the bed empty for 20 shotguns and 10 or so muzzleloaders to be reverse engineered.  Plus the schematics, which will fill it up fast.  Any remaining space gets filled with more books.

    I like your idea on spices, but for the right price I can do without.  I have never had a coffee habit, so that works in my favor.

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    « Reply #12 on: March 18, 2019, 03:39:50 pm »
    Just to clarify, the "present day" sections of the book that inspired this thought experiment were set in the 70s, but you can pick anything you want that's available today.

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    « Reply #13 on: March 18, 2019, 03:59:58 pm »
    Just to clarify, the "present day" sections of the book that inspired this thought experiment were set in the 70s, but you can pick anything you want that's available today.
    Then I will definitely upgrade to synthetic shotgun stocks.  That's about it.

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