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Aoto knife questions?
« on: January 15, 2019, 08:05:28 pm »
I believe Michigan recently lifted any ban on auto knives. My work often carries me into Ohio and Indiana. Does anyone know if it is legal to carry an auto knife in Ohio and Indiana thank you

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    Re: Aoto knife questions?
    « Reply #1 on: January 15, 2019, 08:10:49 pm »
    Actually I'm not even sure concealed carry is legal in Michigan can I conceal carry an auto knife anywhere I do have a concealed weapons permit valid in Michigan which is recognized by Ohio and Indiana. I do not however have any clue if this only applies to firearms. Never really thought about it

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    « Reply #2 on: January 15, 2019, 09:08:02 pm »
    There are a couple of knife rights organizations out there and if I were you I would do some searching and check carefully.  Also I would look at your company handbook for job rules concerning "weapons".  Even if you are an independent contractor some companies still hold you to their employee rules.  Also some companies consider auto, or assisted opening knives as weapons, where a basic friction knife or lock blade of the same size and shape is considered a tool.

    You might want to check this out.  https://kniferights.org/resources/legal-blade/

    I have not looked at this app, so no promises.
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    « Reply #3 on: January 15, 2019, 09:48:28 pm »
    Beat me to it.  This one is also helpful.  www.akti.org
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    « Reply #4 on: January 16, 2019, 01:55:21 am »
    That appears to be a much better knife laws listing.
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    « Reply #5 on: January 16, 2019, 04:13:57 am »
    My advice?  Never carry any knife that you are particularly fond of, while travelling abroad.  Carry one you won't mind losing (or having confiscated).  With a blade length of less than 3 in.

    I know that some places (NY, for instance) have a stipulation for auto/assisted openers, they're allowed for individuals with only one limb/hand.

    Though, if you're coming to AZ, feel free to carry anything (knife or gun) you want.  :neener

    I can walk down Central Avenue, in broad daylight, with this on my hip.
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    « Reply #6 on: January 16, 2019, 01:33:02 pm »
    My advice?  Never carry any knife that you are particularly fond of, while travelling abroad.  Carry one you won't mind losing (or having confiscated).  With a blade length of less than 3 in.

    I know that some places (NY, for instance) have a stipulation for auto/assisted openers, they're allowed for individuals with only one limb/hand.

    Though, if you're coming to AZ, feel free to carry anything (knife or gun) you want.  :neener

    I can walk down Central Avenue, in broad daylight, with this on my hip.

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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #7 on: January 16, 2019, 03:32:13 pm »
    Bench made  :cool . Expensive tastes  ;) .

    You have no idea.  Benchmade, Tag Heuer,  Armani.  Taste, yeah...  Budget, not so much.  :neener

    Funny story though, I didn't pay for that.  I actually got paid...  To sharpen it.  Handed it to the customer, and off he happily trotted.  About 10 minutes later, one of the townies came walking up, with that in his hand, asking if anyone knew who's it was.  I said yeah, he gave it to me, and I've been hanging on to it ever since, on the off chance the guy ever shows up to claim it.  That was 07 or 08?  In Crown King.
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    « Reply #8 on: January 16, 2019, 03:44:16 pm »
    You have no idea.  Benchmade, Tag Heuer,  Armani.  Taste, yeah...  Budget, not so much.  :neener

    Funny story though, I didn't pay for that.  I actually got paid...  To sharpen it.  Handed it to the customer, and off he happily trotted.  About 10 minutes later, one of the townies came walking up, with that in his hand, asking if anyone knew who's it was.  I said yeah, he gave it to me, and I've been hanging on to it ever since, on the off chance the guy ever shows up to claim it.  That was 07 or 08?  In Crown King.

    Poor guy. I'm surprised he didn't come back to ask you if, on the off chance, you saw it  :hmm . Common sense dictates to retrace all of your steps.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    « Reply #9 on: January 16, 2019, 03:55:43 pm »
    Common sense is in short supply of late - even in the Bradshaw Mountains around the booming metropolis of Crown King where its a handy thing to have.   :cool     
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    « Reply #10 on: January 16, 2019, 05:28:08 pm »
    Common sense is in short supply of late - even in the Bradshaw Mountains around the booming metropolis of Crown King where its a handy thing to have.   :cool   

    You have to remember that I am not familiar with the area, but I looked up the city on a hunch. I laughed my ass off when I Googled the population of Crown King  :rotfl  :thumbup1 .

    When it comes to common sense, I was suggesting it is a good thing to have. What I wasn't suggesting was that I had any myself  :neener .
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    « Reply #11 on: January 16, 2019, 06:43:36 pm »
    Poor guy. I'm surprised he didn't come back to ask you if, on the off chance, you saw it  :hmm . Common sense dictates to retrace all of your steps.

    The customer in question was not a resident, or I would have simply returned it to him.  As I heard it, when he retrieved the knife, one of his friends had a crash on a quad, severely fractured his leg, and had to be air evaced.  He (the customer) was left with retrieving the friend's, and his own belongings from their campsite, etc.  And then make the trip, on his quad, down the hill to their vehicle.  Bit of a mad dash, which is how he lost the knife.

    This is why I say, unless it's absolutely necessary, like a hunting trip or such, "Don't carry a knife you would be pissed about losing, when travelling."
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    « Reply #12 on: January 16, 2019, 06:52:41 pm »
    The customer in question was not a resident, or I would have simply returned it to him.  As I heard it, when he retrieved the knife, one of his friends had a crash on a quad, severely fractured his leg, and had to be air evaced.  He (the customer) was left with retrieving the friend's, and his own belongings from their campsite, etc.  And then make the trip, on his quad, down the hill to their vehicle.  Bit of a mad dash, which is how he lost the knife.

    This is why I say, unless it's absolutely necessary, like a hunting trip or such, "Don't carry a knife you would be pissed about losing, when travelling."

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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    « Reply #13 on: January 16, 2019, 08:51:06 pm »
    Glad you had a bit of a grin at that.  :cool   Usually when somebody asks how to get to Crown King the answer is "You can't get there from here.".

     :P
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    « Reply #14 on: January 17, 2019, 10:06:28 am »
    So being a Michigan guy you'd think I'd know the answer to this but I don't:) That said I do know a few bits of knife law in MI as well as CPL law.

    So when the law switched to CPL rather than CCW it no longer covered virtually anything but a firearm, so knives are not a part of a CPL in Michigan. Knife laws are weird at best because we don't have premption within the state law so locals can pass laws that are more strict than state law getting you into hot water. State law as far as length I believe still has a 3in. blade limitation but the way it's worded indicated that "intention" plays a role in the law. IE you can't carry a blade longer than 3in. with ill intent or the intent to commit a crime(I know craziness), so there is a legal argument to be made that a blade longer is legal in the state. However that doesn't cover local laws which may be more restrictive. From memory a suburb of Grand Rapids has a 2in. blade limit or 1.5in. something silly.

    On auto knives I've heard they are now legal I don't own one and never really thought much about it so I never read the laws about them now either. One of these days when time permits I'll research it but I'm quite happy with spring assist for my daily carry setups so it's not a "need" more of a want because I couldn't own them for years. As far as states outside of Michigan that's an unknown for me my info is too dated now to be useful.

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    « Reply #15 on: January 17, 2019, 11:08:47 am »
    Up-side of an good auto is less futzing with the knife when you are on the top of the ladder and suddenly need the knife for some reason, and since you are clinging to the ladder with one hand you have to open the knife with the other and the lock doesn't fully engage on your un-assisted or assisted knife and then the blade that you keep pretty sharp closes unexpectedly on your fingers, evidenced by the dried blood still on said ladder.  Don't ask, it was not a happy day, though the cut was not bad enough to force me to seek medical care.

    Since that dark day I have picked up a Benchmade Adamas and carry it pretty much everyday.  About twice a year the safety gets left or moved off in my pocket and the knife opens.  As long as you have the clip on the correct side for the pocket you carry in this is a non-issue as the blade can't open far anyway.

    I have become a big fan of auto-opening knives as I find the positive opening and lock with one hand to be a big benefit.
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    « Reply #16 on: January 17, 2019, 12:24:43 pm »
    Glad you're OK.  I find most automatics to be less than reliable designs for most heavy use applications and, as you point out, prone to unintentional deployment which can create its own unique set of problems.  I take my cue on work knives from the electricians and millwrights that often work in very challenging environments.  The usually opt for some sort of belt pouch with a dedicated pocket for either a small fixed blade utility knife or conventional blade.  It deploys easily, doesn't need to be opened or closed and it can be reached without looking at it.  A lot of those guys have a small pouch dedicated to the knife and a small pair of heavy duty shears as well.  Lanyards are popular as well.

    Neck knives in dangler style sheaths are popular these days but if you find yourself on a ladder or needing to hang onto something with one hand they are pretty much useless because they invariably require two hands to put back in the sheath.  I rigged a forearm sheath for a small, fixed blade utility knife at one point and while it worked well from the standpoint of accessibility I couldn't keep it in place without a lot more strapping than was practical during heavy exertion. 

    Just my $.02 worth.   :coffee
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    « Reply #17 on: January 17, 2019, 02:23:45 pm »
    I take my cue on work knives from the electricians and millwrights that often work in very challenging environments.  The usually opt for some sort of belt pouch with a dedicated pocket for either a small fixed blade utility knife or conventional blade. 

    Just my $.02 worth.   :coffee
    I've actually added a small fixed blade to my daily essentials. It's really nice. All it took for me to carry one daily was for it to be sold with a good horizontal sheath. I've passed up so many knives due to s___ sheaths.

    I got it as a gift, but the brand is knife ranch . They're straight outta Compton New Caney, Texas.

    https://www.knivesranch.com
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    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    « Reply #18 on: January 17, 2019, 03:20:16 pm »
     :thumbup1  Always nice to support local businesses and craftsmen.  I find the ingenuity and craftsmanship necessary to produce a superior, small fixed blade knife to be easily equal to that necessary to produce a combat capable Bowie style knife. 
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    « Reply #19 on: January 17, 2019, 03:42:09 pm »
    They're straight outta Compton New Caney, Texas.

    https://www.knivesranch.com

    Funny Enough that's an area I'm more than a little familiar with;) And even funnier I lived around 150 yards from their location in New Caney. If you look them up on Google street view for the little strip mall they are located in, the sign in the image "Lone Star RV park" that's where we were when Sarah worked her contract in Kingman back then.

    Either way surprised to see a knife shop literally what I would have considered my back yard from the RV park while we were down there;)

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    « Reply #20 on: January 17, 2019, 04:53:59 pm »
    Funny Enough that's an area I'm more than a little familiar with;) And even funnier I lived around 150 yards from their location in New Caney. If you look them up on Google street view for the little strip mall they are located in, the sign in the image "Lone Star RV park" that's where we were when Sarah worked her contract in Kingman back then.

    Either way surprised to see a knife shop literally what I would have considered my back yard from the RV park while we were down there;)

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    Interesting! I remember you saying that Sarah did travel contracts and you're more than a little familiar with them. If I ever sign up for a contract, I'm still going to take you up on your offer and pick your brain before I fully commit to anything  :cool .

    I never knew you lived in Texas before. Because the knife was a gift, I've actually never been out there before.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    « Reply #21 on: January 17, 2019, 04:54:44 pm »
    I have so many pocket knives, I'm always carrying at least two.  One is a cheapo MTech, liner lock, w/pocket clip, meant for fast deployment.  Good blade, actually, holds a surprisingly good edge.  Opens with a flick of the wrist.  The other, which resides at the bottom of the same pocket as the MTech, with the extra keys, rotates.  Currently, it's a sweet little Kershaw.  Rubberized grip, back lock, blade length right about 2 3/8in.

    But here's the kicker, while I'd be pretty bummed if I lost the Kershaw (it really is a sweet little knife), losing that MTech would seriously piss me off.  It was a gift.

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    « Reply #22 on: January 17, 2019, 05:11:03 pm »
    I have so many pocket knives, I'm always carrying at least two.  One is a cheapo MTech, liner lock, w/pocket clip, meant for fast deployment.  Good blade, actually, holds a surprisingly good edge.  Opens with a flick of the wrist.  The other, which resides at the bottom of the same pocket as the MTech, with the extra keys, rotates.  Currently, it's a sweet little Kershaw.  Rubberized grip, back lock, blade length right about 2 3/8in.

    But here's the kicker, while I'd be pretty bummed if I lost the Kershaw (it really is a sweet little knife), losing that MTech would seriously piss me off.  It was a gift.

    Sentimentality is a big thing. It might be a bit depressing to admit, but you take the cheapest piece of junk inanimate object you can think of, and the fact still stands, inanimate objects live longer than humans do.

    That's why we pass things down. Whether they be family engagement rings, Dad's watch, a buddy's everyday carry handgun, etc.

    Regarding knives, I used to carry one for utility and one for self defence. Basically one was carried often and never used and the other was carried always and abused always. They are my Cold Steel AK-47 and my Victorinox Farmer. Now with this little fixed blade, I never really shelved the other two, so I guess I carry 3 knives now everday :hide  :facepalm . I pretty much use the fixed blade for both utility and defence purposes, but I suppose the redundancy in carrying an additional knife isn't a horrible sin  :shrug .
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    « Reply #23 on: January 17, 2019, 05:29:12 pm »
    Sentimentality is a big thing. It might be a bit depressing to admit, but you take the cheapest piece of junk inanimate object you can think of, and the fact still stands, inanimate objects live longer than humans do.

    That's why we pass things down. Whether they be family engagement rings, Dad's watch, a buddy's everyday carry handgun, etc.

    Regarding knives, I used to carry one for utility and one for self defence. Basically one was carried often and never used and the other was carried always and abused always. They are my Cold Steel AK-47 and my Victorinox Farmer. Now with this little fixed blade, I never really shelved the other two, so I guess I carry 3 knives now everyday :hide  :facepalm . I pretty much use the fixed blade for both utility and defence purposes, but I suppose the redundancy in carrying an additional knife isn't a horrible sin  :shrug .

    There's an old country ballad, I think by Willie Nelson (not certain).  But it's about a cowboy, sitting in a bar, and some biker starts razzing him about his hat, the biker even goes so far as to threaten to knock the hat off the cowboy's head.  The cowboy tells the story of every item, where he got the hat, the hatband, etc.  At the end, he looks at the biker, and says something along the lines of, "If that vest means as much to you, as this hat means to me, best you just leave it alone."  So, yeah, we tend to hold onto things, because of the memories.
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    « Reply #24 on: January 17, 2019, 06:23:34 pm »
    Agreed.  I seem to remember from way back in the day when I used to go into bars and various other places of ill repute, people who dress and act in such a way as to make an impression on others usually accomplish their goal.   :coffee
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