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    Re: Still want to put one of these together
    « Reply #1 on: December 04, 2011, 08:48:52 pm »
    DO IT!
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    « Reply #2 on: December 04, 2011, 09:05:06 pm »
    A Crusader even Uncle Musket could love, I dig it.
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    Re: Still want to put one of these together
    « Reply #3 on: December 05, 2011, 11:36:08 am »
    I've been wanting to do one for....holy crap...20 years...that's just not right. :facepalm

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    Re: Still want to put one of these together
    « Reply #4 on: December 05, 2011, 11:44:55 am »
    Now all I need is an extra $600 that my wife wouldn't leave me over....

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    Re: Still want to put one of these together
    « Reply #5 on: December 05, 2011, 11:58:33 am »
    My 'muzzleloader pipe dream' is a Brown Bess, with bright, nickel-plated metal, and a high-grade walnut stock.

    Like I said, a pipe dream...

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    Re: Still want to put one of these together
    « Reply #6 on: December 05, 2011, 12:01:56 pm »
    Now all I need is an extra $600 that my wife wouldn't leave me over....

    You could always forgo the $600 kit and just build it all by hand from pig iron and a nice piece of timber.  ;)
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    Re: Still want to put one of these together
    « Reply #7 on: December 05, 2011, 12:10:13 pm »
    You could always forgo the $600 kit and just build it all by hand from pig iron and a nice piece of timber.  ;)

    I need a forge.

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    Re: Still want to put one of these together
    « Reply #8 on: December 05, 2011, 02:31:28 pm »
    I need a forge.
    I assume you're joking, but if not-
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    Re: Still want to put one of these together
    « Reply #9 on: December 05, 2011, 07:37:09 pm »
    I assume you're joking, but if not-
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    I've actually wanted to try forging since the first time I watched a guy at a Rendezvous with his portable forge making forks and nipple picks. I'd love to make knives and other things in a forge. Then work my way up to swords.


    Like I have time for all that...but it would be so much fun.

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    Re: Still want to put one of these together
    « Reply #10 on: December 22, 2011, 05:33:40 am »
    I assume you're joking, but if not-
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    You've got a couple of your definitions mixed up, there.

     Annealing puts everything into its softest state, which is ferrite. Austenite is what you get when heating steel. In eutectoid steel (High Carbon Steel - 0.83% Carbon), just pushing it above the lower critical temperature (723 degrees centigrade - sorry guys, I'm European) is enough to get austenite. Other steels will require a higher temperature, depending on their carbon content.

    Austenite is very workable. Quench it, and you get martensite mixed in - ridiculously hard, and so brittle as to be useless. Tempering refines out the martensite and hopefully leaves you with just perlite (the grains are made up of laminated layers of ferrite and carbon). Perlite is the strongest overall grain structure you can find in steel.
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    Some random tidbits out of interest:

    Normalising is also used to keep stuff like crane hooks working. Heavy use crushes the grain structure, inducing strain hardening (which, BTW is also what happens when cold working any metal). Normalising puts everything back in order.

    Oh, and lead anneals at room temperature, which is why it's so soft.

    I may not have much actual useful experience, but I do have a lot of book knowledge. Yay university...  :eh

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    Re: Still want to put one of these together
    « Reply #11 on: December 22, 2011, 10:01:11 am »
    Austenite is very workable. Quench it, and you get martensite mixed in - ridiculously hard, and so brittle as to be useless. Tempering refines out the martensite and hopefully leaves you with just perlite (the grains are made up of laminated layers of ferrite and carbon). Perlite is the strongest overall grain structure you can find in steel.

    Scratch that, I am occasionally a moron.  :facepalm

    To start with, it's "Pearlite" - "Perlite" is a kind of glass.

    Pearlite is what you find instead of ferrite as carbon content increases, peaking at 0.83% carbon. After that you start seeing Cementite, with Pearlite grains surrounded by pure carbon in a similar fashion to bricks and cement.

    Tempering doesn't put you back to Pearlite, Annealing does. It does, however, refine out the Martensite.

    The difference between Pearlite and Austenite is the atomic structure of the grains. Pearlite is Body Centred Cubic or BCC, and Austenite is Face Centred Cubic or FCC. FCC grains have more room in their structure, so they can absorb all the excess carbon present in the BCC structure.

    Trying to be all knowledgable works a lot better when you've eaten...

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    Re: Still want to put one of these together
    « Reply #12 on: December 22, 2011, 11:55:45 am »
    Scratch that, I am occasionally a moron.  :facepalm

    To start with, it's "Pearlite" - "Perlite" is a kind of glass.


    I was starting to wonder why my steel was supposed to be made of expanded volcanic glass... LOLs
    Reading back through and I see that I did transpose Austenite and ferrite.

    also- random fact- while normalizing refines grain structure- annealing and bad heat control swells grain structure, some times so much that its visible to the naked eye. see- http://paleoplanet69529.yuku.com/topic/47099/Normalization-Grain-Size-Control-Experiment-----normalize#.TvNeK5yO6Ck
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    Re: Still want to put one of these together
    « Reply #13 on: December 23, 2011, 11:48:35 am »
    Wow, that is a really nice demonstration!  :cool

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