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Ok, so I want a muzzle loader...
« on: September 13, 2014, 02:23:35 pm »
Why? Hell, I don't know. I don't hunt. It just looks FUN.

On one hand, a replica of a historical weapon has appeal. On the other, a modern muzzleloader would probably be easier to learn on.

I've held and examined the Thompson Center Encore G2 muzzle loader, as well as the bunches of rifles called "Hawken".

It might be best if I just describe what I want.  I want a safe, easy-to-learn muzzloader with a strong action. It should be able to handle modern sabot loads if I so choose. Caliber needs to be at least .50.

I would prefer something with a strong, modern action but traditional looks. Octagon barrel, brass fittings, etc. If that's not available, the something like a Thompson Center with at least some nice wood furniture. I don't want Realtree or Mossy Oak plastic stocks if I can help it.

Not planning to scope it. Decent sights are a plus.

Thoughts, recommendations?

I also want a replica 1858 Remington .44 cap & ball revolver. 5.5" barrel model, with a spare cylinder and accoutrements. Where should I begin this quest?

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    Re: Ok, so I want a muzzle loader...
    « Reply #1 on: September 13, 2014, 03:25:46 pm »


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    Re: Ok, so I want a muzzle loader...
    « Reply #2 on: September 13, 2014, 05:27:39 pm »
    NICE.  I just picked up a 8" Pietta 1858 for $140 lightly used.   First foray into black-poweder.  BLAST to shoot.  Can't say for sure as I have only seen the one 1858 (LOT of colt replicas but remingtons are VER rare around here), but the pieta one I have is very nice.

      My recommendation: Cabellas.  They got them for $199 and free shipping (or did a week or two ago), and have spare cylinders,etc. there as well.   


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    « Reply #3 on: September 13, 2014, 09:08:33 pm »
    www.lhrsportingarms.com   Manufactured by guys that used to work for Thompson Center before they were sold.  Or if you prefer something more traditional  www.davide-pedersoli.com 
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    « Reply #4 on: September 13, 2014, 09:28:11 pm »


    That is a good looking rifle.  I wish it had iron sights.  They're available as an accessory though.   :hmm

    On the other hand...

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    « Reply #5 on: September 13, 2014, 09:38:21 pm »


    A blued Thompson Center Pro Hunter with walnut furniture might be the ticket too.  I like the modularity.
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    « Reply #6 on: September 13, 2014, 11:24:15 pm »
    I really love my Uberti 1858. One of my more accurate handguns.

    For a long gun, I could really go for a .50 or .54 caliber Hawken.
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    « Reply #7 on: September 14, 2014, 05:24:34 pm »
    If you want to go cheap just to try it out you can usually find some decent used guns for sale.  H&R made the "Huntsman" which was a black powder version of the "Handy Rifle".  Same break action but with a ramrod and a nipple for using shotshell primers for igniton.  I've seen a few on used gun racks that look almost new for about $250.00 .   Knight rifles also sell at a considerable discount from their new price as do the Thompson Center rifles .    I would stay away from guns by Traditions and CVA in particular because of quality control issues .   Some of the older Lyman stuff was pretty good but you have to know what you're looking at and for to make certain you don't get some of the newer stuff that also has the potential to be short on build quality.

    Don't forget that Ruger builds the Old Army percussion revolvers.   Not as graceful as the Uberti replica Remingtons but hell for strong like the rest of their revolvers. 
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    « Reply #8 on: September 14, 2014, 05:31:48 pm »
    I have one of the Hawken rifles in 54 cal. (left handed of course).  Fun to shoot, and it hits like a truck when that big ol' chunk of lead lands. ;) 

     It does encourage you rather strongly to make that first shot count, no question there.
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    « Reply #9 on: September 14, 2014, 05:52:44 pm »
    The TC Encore is by far the easiest to use, live with... and it's the most accurate.  By far.
    And you can find barrels for them and swap calibers.  It's a great platform.
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    « Reply #10 on: September 14, 2014, 07:14:49 pm »
    A good reason to own a black powder gun is that they aren't regulated. The powers that be may not be willing to go after guns right now, but they sure can make it hard on the ammo industry if they want to. Get a bp gun and a bunch of Pyrodex and primers. Even if you run out of bullets, rocks or glass shards work in a pinch.
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    « Reply #11 on: September 15, 2014, 10:48:30 am »
    I would seriously suggest NOT putting rocks down a BP barrel. It would go Ka-boom and not in a good way.

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    « Reply #12 on: September 19, 2014, 12:10:38 am »
    I would seriously suggest NOT putting rocks down a BP barrel. It would go Ka-boom and not in a good way.

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    I believe you missed my point, but that is fine. I would never put granite down the barrel of a bp....

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    « Reply #13 on: September 21, 2014, 09:37:11 am »
    The T/C Hawken is easy, has a good instruction manual, fun to shoot and accurate enough for hunting.  I'm no Davy Crockett, but I can reliably put .50 round balls into a 6" circle at 100 yards with it.  It won't do sabots, but then, I'm really into the "traditional" aspect of BP shooting.

    One suggestion, for your first muzzle-loader, don't get a flintlock.  They add a further level of complexity to care and shooting, and it's likely easier to save that for your second BP gun.
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    « Reply #14 on: September 24, 2014, 01:25:54 am »
    The T/C Hawken is easy, has a good instruction manual, fun to shoot and accurate enough for hunting.  I'm no Davy Crockett, but I can reliably put .50 round balls into a 6" circle at 100 yards with it.  It won't do sabots, but then, I'm really into the "traditional" aspect of BP shooting.

    One suggestion, for your first muzzle-loader, don't get a flintlock.  They add a further level of complexity to care and shooting, and it's likely easier to save that for your second BP gun.

    Great point, but if for hunting, the modern in-lines are the way to go no matter what. Even the cheapest CVA is dead on with a sabot slug and 90 grains of powder.

    Defense, we are back to a large bore, flint lock and rocks...  :thumbup1
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    « Reply #15 on: September 24, 2014, 06:23:09 am »
    I like the 50/50 Pellets instead of loose powder myself.  Simple clean and easy.
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    « Reply #16 on: September 25, 2014, 12:03:55 am »
    I like the 50/50 Pellets instead of loose powder myself.  Simple clean and easy.

    The fact that you can get the pellets in different grains simply rocks, too.  :thumbup1
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