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Black Powder Handgun Hunting?
« on: October 07, 2015, 05:08:47 pm »
Anyone hunt with a black powder handgun?  I'm curious, as I got to looking at black powder revolver ballistics last night, and most of them are pretty anemic.  Even big .44s like the 1858 Remington produce less muzzle energy than a 9mm.  Are there any black powder handgun loads that are suitable for the taking of game, like deer? 

Would you be better off using a "modernized" black powder revolver like the Ruger Old Army (which cartridge conversions have been done on)?



Or perhaps a big bore single shot?

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    Re: Black Powder Handgun Hunting?
    « Reply #1 on: October 07, 2015, 05:30:38 pm »
    Clement's does a .50 caliber Ruger Old Army conversion.

    http://www.clementscustomguns.com/rugeroldarmy.html
    http://www.gunblast.com/Cumpston_ClementsFugett.htm



    Just shy of 900 ft-lbs ought to be good enough for a fair number of critters.
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    Re: Black Powder Handgun Hunting?
    « Reply #2 on: October 07, 2015, 05:41:04 pm »
    Clement's does a .50 caliber Ruger Old Army conversion.

    http://www.clementscustomguns.com/rugeroldarmy.html
    http://www.gunblast.com/Cumpston_ClementsFugett.htm



    WHY DO I WANT THAT? :drool

    Can you load a blackpowder revolver with actual bullets instead of round balls?  A standard one, I mean.  Maybe not with the Italian replicas, but with the Old Army? 
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    Re: Black Powder Handgun Hunting?
    « Reply #3 on: October 07, 2015, 05:49:56 pm »
    I don't know if you could find jacketed handgun bullets in the right diameter for the Clement's ROA conversion, but if you did I can't see any reason they wouldn't work.

    At the velocities we're talking though, a big soft lead bullet works pretty damned well.
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    Re: Black Powder Handgun Hunting?
    « Reply #4 on: October 07, 2015, 05:55:12 pm »
    That's what I meant.  Conical or semiwadcutter bullets, not just round balls.  According to the Gunblast review, they modify the loading window to allow semiwadcutters to be seated correctly.

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    Re: Black Powder Handgun Hunting?
    « Reply #5 on: October 07, 2015, 06:02:28 pm »
    I've got a Lee mold that I use to cast 200 gr bullets for my Uberti repro Remington 1858.

    I've loaded them on top of as much 777 as I can get in there and still have the cylinder turn. Makes for a pretty stout feeling load. Probably not all that impressive in terms of energy (I haven't chronographed it) but I'll bet it would kill stuff at reasonable ranges.
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    Re: Black Powder Handgun Hunting?
    « Reply #6 on: October 07, 2015, 07:12:06 pm »
    44 blackpowder revolvers kill deer just fine.

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    Re: Black Powder Handgun Hunting?
    « Reply #7 on: October 07, 2015, 07:37:23 pm »
      I TRIED....last year to get a deer with my 58 Remington .44.  Didn't get close enough.  The loads were stout enough that I broke off the loading lever retaining latch.....

      One caveat: I was carrying my scoped 7mm with me "just in case", I wasn't going to take the chance.   Secondly, I wouldn't normally have tried it but I have shot around......a dozen? deer with handguns and I am very picky about shots so I figured I could try what was basically a .38 special.   

      While a .44 cap and ball not even as powerful as a 9mm, I have gotten three deer with my .40 S&W, one at right one 50 yards, none ran over 150 yards (although one ran right at 150 yards).   Not a true comparison but I've been derided and cussed for using a gun that will only wound animals ::)  Whatever.  Just saying that if you're careful, and good enough to place the shot, it will work.

       
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    Re: Black Powder Handgun Hunting?
    « Reply #8 on: October 07, 2015, 07:45:13 pm »
    I honestly was just taken aback at how weak cap & ball revolvers are, even compared to the early metallic cartridge rounds that were developed a few years later.
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    Re: Black Powder Handgun Hunting?
    « Reply #9 on: October 07, 2015, 08:15:46 pm »
    At the sub-1000 fps velocities in question, I'm not sure it makes much difference in killing power.

    A little research says people running loads similar to what I tried in my '58 were getting ~1000 fps. That works out to 444 ft-lbs and is pretty comparable to what a .44-40 does from a revolver.
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    Re: Black Powder Handgun Hunting?
    « Reply #10 on: October 07, 2015, 11:36:52 pm »
    Just get one of the Pedersoli Howdah pistols - you'll be fine from the tree stand.   ;)
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    Re: Black Powder Handgun Hunting?
    « Reply #11 on: March 09, 2016, 11:13:17 pm »
    Many years ago I shot a buck in his day bed with a Pietta replica of an 1858 Remington.  An, I believe,  a 40 grain charge of Pyrodex P and a round ball using Ox Yoke wonder wads. The nice 6 pointer raised his head and I drilled him through the ears at 25 yards.

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