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SPLIT: Head shots on game (was: Range estimation)
« on: September 18, 2009, 12:49:21 am »
Side bar (and if it takes up more than a little space I'll go ahead and split the topic):  If you're not in the least bit interested in trophies, is it unethical to take a head shot?  Is there another reason it's bad?

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    Re: Range estimation (and how I suck at it)
    « Reply #1 on: September 18, 2009, 12:58:58 am »
    Side bar (and if it takes up more than a little space I'll go ahead and split the topic):  If you're not in the least bit interested in trophies, is it unethical to take a head shot?  Is there another reason it's bad?

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    As far as I know, the biggest problem is that it is a more difficult shot and muffing it can lead to a really horrific injury - I've heard horror stories about deer that died of thirst/starvation because they had their jaw shot off.

    Going for a boiler room shot means that even if you miss the heart you've still got a good chance of getting one or both lungs or a shoulder.

    Either way of course, it boils down to not taking a shot that's beyond your skill to make reliably.
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    Re: Range estimation (and how I suck at it)
    « Reply #2 on: September 18, 2009, 01:02:30 am »
    Ah.  That's makes alot of sense.


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    Re: Range estimation (and how I suck at it)
    « Reply #3 on: September 18, 2009, 02:13:43 am »
    Side bar (and if it takes up more than a little space I'll go ahead and split the topic):  If you're not in the least bit interested in trophies, is it unethical to take a head shot?  Is there another reason it's bad?

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    They do not bleed out that way as well. I honestly think they taste better when lung shot with an arrow and bleed out.

    Another good reason is so you do not shoot there antler off like I seen a kid do once. We were both sitting in my dad's tripod stand. He shot and the deer sorta staggered in circles for abit until I killed the poor thing. I sorta felt bad, and told the guy he was a retard.
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    Re: Range estimation (and how I suck at it)
    « Reply #4 on: September 18, 2009, 04:13:33 am »
    I can see why you wouldn't take the shot if you are not absolutely certain you can make it (can you get laser rangefinders that are good for hunting with?), but if I could, I don't see why I shouldn't just take the CNS shot, if I don't mind the taste difference. It should drop the deer quickest and keep the meat more tender. I know a lot of the places around the country, you aren't going to get more than a 100 yard shot, and it seems like if you are sitting up in a stand all day, you ought to be able to hit a deerbrain at <100 yards from a sitting position.

    Just the way I see it, if I can take an animal in a way that causes it less pain, I should do it that way. And that way I don't have to walk the extra 50-100 yards that the deer bolts after it gets shot in the shoulder. Especially not the extra 50-100 yards walking back carrying a dead deer that weighs the better part of what I do.
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    Re: Range estimation (and how I suck at it)
    « Reply #5 on: September 18, 2009, 09:04:31 am »
    The big problem (as explained to me by the hunters at my club when I asked) is that the deer's head is a much smaller target, which can move very fast, very suddenly and very unexpectedly, meaning you have a much higher chance of missing and/or horrifically injuring the animal.

    As such, while a heart shot is not necessarily as quick, it is almost guaranteed to be clean compared with a head shot.

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    Re: SPLIT: Head shots on game (was: Range estimation)
    « Reply #6 on: September 19, 2009, 02:48:56 am »
    Technically or theoretically it is perfectly acceptable.  However I've seen far too many deer running around during deer season with their faces blown half off to consider it something that is prudent in practice.  Have I took head shots on deer before?  Yes.  Is it something I do regularly?  No.  There is no margin for error.  Maybe there is a stick there that I don't see.  Maybe I smacked my scope on that morning and didn't realize it.  Maybe the deer moves at the last second.  Maybe, just maybe, I just simply blow the shot.

    I much prefer to put a round through the heart and lungs and take out a shoulder in the process.  They're not going far with a broken shoulder or two and a heart and lungs consisting of bloody pulp.  If the bullet impacted a inch or three from where I was aiming for whatever reason the deer is just as dead.  Were I shooting for the head the same inch or three might mean I miss completely or blow off the nose and jaw or the top of the skull.

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    Re: SPLIT: Head shots on game (was: Range estimation)
    « Reply #7 on: September 19, 2009, 06:38:31 am »
    I've killed at least 200 deer in my life. When I hunt with a rifle I almost always shoot for the neck. Deer hit in the neck just fall over. Lung shot deer will almost always run.

    When I hunt with a bow I always take a lung shot. Arrow shot deer are going to run. Finding a dead deer can be really tough. I prefer to bow hunt in the morning so I have plenty of daylight to find the deer. I've lost a couple of deer I shot in the evening. That sucks.

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    Re: SPLIT: Head shots on game (was: Range estimation)
    « Reply #8 on: October 03, 2009, 04:01:51 pm »
    Generally, if any part of the deer/elk/pronghorn/etc is in motion it will be the head.  They are prey species, and as such are constantly moving their heads and ears around, even while the rest of the body remains still.

    So in essence, what a head shot is, is the toughest possible shot to make.  I avoid them myself.  I prefer broadside heart shots through the ribcage(in the "white spot") as some call it.  I also use controlled expansion bullets like Remington  core lockt or Hornady interbond.  These are tough bullets that open up to nearly double the original caliber, and drive straight through most game species leaving an exit hole about the size of a golf ball.   So with a heart shot and this slug type(even if you have to go through the shoulder instead of behind it), you usually get a 20-50 yard drunk/staggering run and then they just pile up.  Very little meat ruined this way.  This is also why I avoid neck shots, I love a good neck roast.

    If I preferred the more explosive slugs(most of the ballistic tip types, Remington bronze point, etc,) then I would take lung or neck shots on purpose and make sure I avoided the shoulder.  These slugs with those shots generally anchor the animal, right now.  The downside?  You lose a lot of meat to bloodshot damage, and if you have to take an off angle shot, the bullet might come apart before it gets deep enough.

    Mom used to use a 243 on Utah Mulies, she used a 100 grain slug and took neck shots.  Never had one get away.
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    Re: SPLIT: Head shots on game (was: Range estimation)
    « Reply #9 on: October 03, 2009, 07:23:41 pm »

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    Re: SPLIT: Head shots on game (was: Range estimation)
    « Reply #10 on: October 03, 2009, 11:48:26 pm »
    Interesting video.  As for me, I'll keep my 300 yard max shooting range for big game, and my standard bullets.  I'll just wait for Mr. deer to take a step forward with the front leg on my side.  White spot.  Works.


    Those guys that can shoot out past 300 worth a hoot(I'm not one of them) that approach works I guess.
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    Re: SPLIT: Head shots on game (was: Range estimation)
    « Reply #11 on: October 05, 2009, 07:37:56 am »
    Here in East Texas it's rare to ever take a shot over 200 yards.  And I have always shot for behind the shoulder.  Very few deer I have shot have ever run.  Had one go about fifty feet last season (80 yards, FAL, 150 grain SPs).  I don't use scopes so I don't feel like picking out the neck on our little dog-like deer at 100 yards.

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