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The Revolver and the Millenial (Thunder Ranch).
« on: February 04, 2017, 09:23:16 pm »
Just some gun pr0n and a little cinematic fun from Thunder Ranch. As both a millennial and a wheel man, I had to share it  :cool.

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Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    Re: The Revolver and the Millenial (Thunder Ranch).
    « Reply #1 on: February 04, 2017, 10:41:56 pm »
    That looks like a Model 19. :drool  I want one of those so bad... only I'd probably be afraid to shoot it.

    I'm a Millennial as well, and all I really wanted for my birthday this year was a new 2.75" Model 66. Alas (though predictably), that didn't happen, so I had to content myself with renting a soulless polymer-framed .45 instead.
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    Re: The Revolver and the Millenial (Thunder Ranch).
    « Reply #2 on: February 04, 2017, 10:50:35 pm »
    That looks like a Model 19. :drool  I want one of those so bad... only I'd probably be afraid to shoot it.

    I'm a Millennial as well, and all I really wanted for my birthday this year was a new 2.75" Model 66. Alas (though predictably), that didn't happen, so I had to content myself with renting a soulless polymer-framed .45 instead.

    It was a model 19. Thunder ranch is letting him borrow it to train on, cos he has never shot a revolver before.

    I have decided that instead of getting the model 67 that I've wanted, I'm now going to get the 2.75 inch model 66. I want one, very badly.

    But if money is tight I think I'm going to get a Px4 storm subcompact first, converted to a G model, of course.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    Re: The Revolver and the Millenial (Thunder Ranch).
    « Reply #3 on: February 04, 2017, 10:57:50 pm »
    How 'bout that: I had my heart set on a Model 67 until the New Combat Magnum hit the market as well. Though money's tight enough that I probably won't be adding one to the collection for quite a while.  :'(  I just hope S&W keeps them in production long enough for me to get myself in a position to pick one up.
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    Re: The Revolver and the Millenial (Thunder Ranch).
    « Reply #4 on: February 04, 2017, 11:08:27 pm »
    How 'bout that: I had my heart set on a Model 67 until the New Combat Magnum hit the market as well. Though money's tight enough that I probably won't be adding one to the collection for quite a while.  :'(  I just hope S&W keeps them in production long enough for me to get myself in a position to pick one up.

    Really!?! And for all the times I have been chattering on about wanting the stainless combat masterpiece model 67 and you never mentioned having an affinity for one as well. Shame on you  :P.



    I wanted a K frame for carrying and thought that I could IWB carry a 4 incher, but now I won't have to. Plus I get .357 magnum capabilities (granted, I was just fine with .38+p's).
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    Re: The Revolver and the Millenial (Thunder Ranch).
    « Reply #5 on: February 04, 2017, 11:26:04 pm »
    I've mentioned wanting a Model 67 in passing a few times (I think, none recently in any case), but I've never really made much fuss over it. It's always been kind of low on my priority list, something I'd really like to have rather than something I consider "essential."

    And I doubt I'll shoot much .357 ammo through a New Model 66 either, even though S&W claims they'll stand up to a steady diet. Buffalo Bore .38 +Ps are pretty much equivalent to lower-powered Magnum loads, only without the extra recoil and wear and tear on the gun. But it is nice to have the capability.
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    Re: The Revolver and the Millenial (Thunder Ranch).
    « Reply #6 on: February 04, 2017, 11:32:18 pm »
    I've mentioned wanting a Model 67 in passing a few times (I think, none recently in any case), but I've never really made much fuss over it. It's always been kind of low on my priority list, something I'd really like to have rather than something I consider "essential."

    And I doubt I'll shoot much .357 ammo through a New Model 66 either, even though S&W claims they'll stand up to a steady diet. Buffalo Bore .38 +Ps are pretty much equivalent to lower-powered Magnum loads, only without the extra recoil and wear and tear on the gun. But it is nice to have the capability.

    Coelacanth and I talk revolvers sometimes, and I can't remember if I shared with him an article or if he sent me the article, but with K frames that had been broken by .357 magnum usage, there was an interesting correlation between those that had fractured frames and those that had flat bottomed forcing cones. What I mean by this is if you open the cylinder on my 686 or any modern revolver now, you will see that the forcing cone is completely round. But back then, some older K frames had a round forcing cone with a flat bottom. Such as this:



    Now compare it to this modern forcing cone:



    Now, I'm no expert on guns. I mainly learn things here, not teach them, but it's a pretty interesting theory isn't it?
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    Re: The Revolver and the Millenial (Thunder Ranch).
    « Reply #7 on: February 05, 2017, 12:00:46 am »
    A quick check of Google seems to indicate that the New Combat Magnums have completely round forcing cones, though they still look about as thick (or thin) as the round portion of the cone in your first picture. So I suspect it will hold up better than the older models. Though I still suspect that most of my shooting (I will have one someday!) will be with .38s.
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    « Reply #8 on: February 05, 2017, 01:19:55 am »
    This may shed some light on the subject of K-Frame revolvers:

    Most of the problems with cracked forcing cones with the original S&W mdl. 19/66 series began with the late 1960s  introduction of the 125 grain JHP rounds.  Mind you, this was under the old 47,000 CUP maximum average pressure standard for the .357 Magnum. Since 1993, the .357 has been toned down considerably to an MAP of just 35,000 PSI.   

    The late Ray Chapman's comments on the "...almost magical stopping power..." of the 125 grain .357 Magnum, came from the CUP pressure era. Those loads often exceeded 1,400 fps from 4" revolver barrels.

    The same "toning down" of MAP standards was applied to the .38 Special and +p versions as well when the new transducer system replaced the copper units of pressure system.  The MAP was set at 22,400 C.U.P. in 1974, when the +P designation was adopted, then reduced to 18.500 PSI in 1993, and then increased to the current 20,000 psi in 1994! It seemed commercial .38spl+P ammo lost too much velocity and so the standard was increased.  Also, while there is no direct correlation between CUP and PSI standards, the pressure lines intersect for the .38spl+P at 20,000 CUP and 20,000 PSI.

    Reference my post:  https://www.shootersforum.com/handloading-procedures-practices/11047-will-real-38-p-please-stand-up.html

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    Oh yeah, neat video. It warms this "baby-boomers" heart!

    Thanks for sharing.       :cool
    « Last Edit: February 05, 2017, 01:46:10 am by RMc »
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    Re: The Revolver and the Millenial (Thunder Ranch).
    « Reply #9 on: February 05, 2017, 12:58:34 pm »
    ...even though S&W claims they'll stand up to a steady diet.
    The up side to this, is S&W has an excellent lifetime warranty.  They claim it can shoot full power magnums all day long, so their warranty will cover the repairs if it does not.

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    « Reply #10 on: February 06, 2017, 11:26:10 am »

    I have decided that instead of getting the model 67 that I've wanted, I'm now going to get the 2.75 inch model 66. I want one, very badly.


    Is this the point where I mention that my local store just took in a 2.5" Model 66 on Saturday? The "kid" traded it in on a S&W Governor because, and I quote, "The guys on Youtube and my forum say it's the best defensive handgun on the market!" He was rather surprised that they didn't have an IWB in stock for his new Governor though....  :shocked

    Anyway, I was able to take a quick look at the 66 before they took it back to process it. It is a pre-lock, post P&R model with the factory wood round-butt grips, 2.5" barrel, red-inset front sight, and probably +/- 90% condition. No box or papers, but as a post P&R that's not too big a loss. I was not able to see if it was a -4 or -5, so I don't know if it was MIM or not. (Honestly forgot to check as I was busy filling out some paperwork. My bad.)

    If it had been a P&R model, I probably would have pestered the owner to give me a price on the spot. The store is closed today but I'll probably run by tomorrow just to see what the $$ will be....


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    « Reply #11 on: February 06, 2017, 10:48:24 pm »
    Is this the point where I mention that my local store just took in a 2.5" Model 66 on Saturday? The "kid" traded it in on a S&W Governor because, and I quote, "The guys on Youtube and my forum say it's the best defensive handgun on the market!" He was rather surprised that they didn't have an IWB in stock for his new Governor though....  :shocked

    Anyway, I was able to take a quick look at the 66 before they took it back to process it. It is a pre-lock, post P&R model with the factory wood round-butt grips, 2.5" barrel, red-inset front sight, and probably +/- 90% condition. No box or papers, but as a post P&R that's not too big a loss. I was not able to see if it was a -4 or -5, so I don't know if it was MIM or not. (Honestly forgot to check as I was busy filling out some paperwork. My bad.)

    If it had been a P&R model, I probably would have pestered the owner to give me a price on the spot. The store is closed today but I'll probably run by tomorrow just to see what the $$ will be....

    fluffing amateurs  :facepalm.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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