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Light weight 3 inch K-Frame 38SPL+P
« on: May 31, 2020, 11:16:17 pm »
 
I wish S&W would make a basic 3 inch barrel aluminum frame, fixed sight K-Frame 38SPL+P revolver. I believe such a "Pro-Model" revolver with a flush to the frame spurless DAO hammer would appeal to a lot of revolver lovers - without breaking the bank.

I suspect the empty weight would come in just under 20 ounces and in the neighborhood of 22 ounces loaded. The 3 inch tube should get the +P velocity levels up to consistent "expansion" levels with modest recoil.

Light weight, low drag, rounded concealment shape, what's not to like?
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    Re: Light weight 3 inch K-Frame 38SPL+P
    « Reply #1 on: June 01, 2020, 12:46:25 am »
    A 3" K frame with a round butt grip is just about the ideal walking around revolver.  Mine is steel and gets a bit heavy by the end of the day but I like it all the same.  I think the last aluminum K frame they made like that was the old model 12 and they haven't made those in years. 
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    Re: Light weight 3 inch K-Frame 38SPL+P
    « Reply #2 on: June 01, 2020, 09:22:47 am »
    I suspect that many who view the S&W 642 as their "always gun", would also find a double action only "airweight" 3" K-frame with a flush fit hammer to be an excellent, dare I say comfortable, companion piece.

    I believe there are many who would appreciate just how easy such a light, snag free, belt revolver is to live with.
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    Re: Light weight 3 inch K-Frame 38SPL+P
    « Reply #3 on: June 01, 2020, 01:14:52 pm »
    Agreed.  My own experience with aluminum framed revolvers is primarily with the Colt Agent from the 1980's.  Nice little revolver and I have considered bobbing the hammer but am loathe to start cutting on discontinued things with the rampant colt logo on them.  I do have the hammer bobbed and polished on my model 13 and although it is larger and heavier than is common for concealment guns it is pretty unobtrusive and handles well.  I think the weight helps when keeping the sights on target for a full cylinder of defensive ammo.  A set of Craig Spegel boot grips also helps some. 

    I seem to recall that S&W had some reliability problems with the aluminum frames on the model 12's early on.  I think the ancient side plate design of the frame created some problems not encountered with steel frames.  Might be a complete non-issue with some of the more exotic alloys available to them these days.   :hmm   I recall the model 640 being offered with a 3" barrel but apparently it was discontinued as I almost never see them anymore.  A friend had one of the Custom Shop "Scandium" revolvers - a J frame with a three inch barrel and it was light enough to be blown off the shooting table on a windy day.  Ok - maybe not that light - but it was a vicious little beast with .38 special +P ammo and .357 magnum loads.   A K frame in aluminum would weigh a little more and spread out the force of the recoil over a larger grip area and thus be much more comfortable to shoot.  IMO.   

















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    Re: Light weight 3 inch K-Frame 38SPL+P
    « Reply #4 on: June 01, 2020, 03:12:58 pm »
    I've been saying that Ruger should scale up their LCR to K-frame size. One version chambered in .38 Special, possibly .357 Mag, and another chambered in .44 Special
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    Re: Light weight 3 inch K-Frame 38SPL+P
    « Reply #5 on: June 01, 2020, 04:55:45 pm »
    I've been saying that Ruger should scale up their LCR to K-frame size. One version chambered in .38 Special, possibly .357 Mag, and another chambered in .44 Special

    44 special is a tragically underrated cartridge. It is just great in shorter barreled revolvers.
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    Re: Light weight 3 inch K-Frame 38SPL+P
    « Reply #6 on: June 01, 2020, 05:07:48 pm »
    As a side note to this discussion I think the current state of the broader firearms/ammunition industry, the economy in general and the society that underpins the whole thing are such that you aren't going to see the introduction of new models that weren't already in the pipeline at the end of last year.   The staggering amount of firearms and ammunition that have already been sold this year will see production lines working hard to keep product on the shelves in the near term.  Supply chain disruptions have rippled throughout the entire economy and will likely continue for most of the rest of this year.  I was listening to a business analyst the other day and her contention was that this type of sharp, deep contraction of economic activity frequently results in a round of mergers and acquisitions as the stronger companies pick up the weaker ones and attempt to shore up their balance sheets to deal with uncertainty going forward. 

    Recent events have only added to the numbers of people willing to become gun owners and/or reloaders either for the first time.  That means that there is strong demand for the existing product line for many companies and it will likely continue until supply equals demand out in the marketplace.   I think that does not bode well for spending truckloads of cash on R&D budgets and projects that won't come to fruition until a year or more after the next election.  At least that's my take on it.   :coffee
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    Re: Light weight 3 inch K-Frame 38SPL+P
    « Reply #7 on: June 01, 2020, 05:19:19 pm »
    44 special is a tragically underrated cartridge. It is just great in shorter barreled revolvers.
    Agreed.  I have been eyeing the GP 100 in that caliber since it hit the shelves.  That gun is what I had hoped the old Charter Arms Bulldogs would be but never were.  A friend with a New Model Blackhawk in .45 Colt has been loading it with heavy bullets and a case full of Trail Boss powder and that thing is the most fun you can have with a pair of chaps on.   :cool   We were discussing the .44 Special in that context and are both of the opinion that a 260 grain bullet in that caliber with a case full of Trail Boss behind it might be the best all around, big bore six gun round there is. 

    I have gotten over my infatuation with the 10mm as a revolver cartridge since it seems overly finicky about moon clips and the bullet selection is in no way as diverse as the .44's and .45's .   Might change my mind if somebody comes up with a 10mm Auto Rim that works in the Ruger revolvers but I'm not holding my breath waiting for that to happen.   
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    Re: Light weight 3 inch K-Frame 38SPL+P
    « Reply #8 on: June 01, 2020, 05:44:00 pm »
    I wanna say someone over at 10mm-firearms.com worked with cut down 30-30 cases to make a "10mm auto-rim"...

    Found it:  http://10mm-firearms.com/10mm-revolvers/10mm-auto-rim-anyone/

    GarretJ started down the path trimming the 30-30 brass to length and verifying fit in the cylinders without rim interference.  He then found the case walls to be too thick (expected) and was going to try reducing the OD then expanding. And he never updated after that point.

    Tony Rumore opined that if you were going to the trouble, you should look to a 1.3" case of the 10mm magnum rather than 10mm, though for the goals of a "special" type load, more case capacity is not a benefit.

    I am gonna guess that trimming the OD was not the way and GarretJ didn't wanna get into reaming the case. You might find the read interesting though.

    Personally, I think you are on the right track looking to 44 special and leaving 10mm to the self stuffers.
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    Re: Light weight 3 inch K-Frame 38SPL+P
    « Reply #9 on: June 01, 2020, 06:00:37 pm »
    I was wondering about that.  Might work but the rims seem too big around and still not thick enough to function like the old .45 Auto Rim does.   :hmm  I'd also have to come up with some kind of speed loader unless I just used re-purposed Speed Strips or belt loops.  That would kind of take the shine off of owning one of those spiffy new Ruger 10mm revolvers - IMO. 

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