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Re: Kaso's revolver search
« Reply #75 on: November 17, 2015, 01:20:44 am »
  I've had to replace both a hammer mounted FP and a frame mounted FP....The frame mounted FP was far easier to replace, takes 5-10 min. The hammer mounted FP has two ways, replace the entire hammer (and have to get a gunsmith to polish the contact surfaces so you get the trigger pull you want) or you drill out the firing pin retaining pin and get the proper tools to replace and swage in place the new retaining pin...both equal pains in the ass.
  I absolutely prefer the frame mounted FP and think S&W hit a home run on this engineering change.
Good insight and information.

I don't prefer it for any practical reason, I just like the vintage look of the visible firing pin when the hammer is cocked.

While I would usually just take a repair to a gunsmith, having the option of easily doing it myself is nice.



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    « Reply #76 on: November 17, 2015, 08:31:22 am »
    I actually prefer newer S&Ws for carry because I don't feel bad about modifying them. It seems sacrilegious to mar an older Smith. A buddy just showed me his newest carry pistol. He bought a LNIB 686 + 3" barrel and had a gunsmith convert it to DAO and had a matte stainless finish with an XS tritium sight and Bowen rough country fixed rear sight. He had it zeroed for the Speer 135 grain loads both 38 and 357. He said there is not much difference between POA and POI with them. It's a slick number. I'd hate to do that with an older Smith.


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    « Reply #77 on: November 19, 2015, 09:24:20 pm »
    Having thought about this for a few more days, I am thinking I might adjust what I am after.  Specifically, I am seeing less and less reason to switch to a revolver for daily carry.

    I have three autoloaders in my carry rotation,  Glock 23, BHP, and a Beretta 92.  They are each large pistols that hold quite a few rounds.  One of them, the BHP, is stupidly heavy...  And yet just about any steel-framed revolver will weigh that much or more.

    So I give up capacity and gain a more powerful cartridge...  Only I don't.  Or I do, but not as much as I could.  See, I am looking at .357 revolvers with sub-3" barrels.  Not exactly where the Magnum shines.  I don't buy the 'might as well shoot .38+p' argument - the .357 is still potent - but I am having trouble justifying the revolver in my mind.

    Further, if we step away from just the concealable models, a much larger selection becomes available.  The S&W TRR8, as well as Model 29s, 57s, and even 625s.  If I'm honest, though, I have a 1911 in .45 ACP, so I think a revolver in .45 would be unnecessary and redundant.

    I am now thinking a full size revolver in a magnum cartridge, with a 4"+ (preferably 5"+) barrel to take advantage of full power loads.

    But then...  I might change my mind again before morning...

    Of the three magnums, .357 is the most sensible, .44 is the most powerful, and .41 gains +5 Cool Points. ;)



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    « Reply #78 on: November 19, 2015, 09:30:20 pm »
    Having thought about this for a few more days, I am thinking I might adjust what I am after.  Specifically, I am seeing less and less reason to switch to a revolver for daily carry.

    I have three autoloaders in my carry rotation,  Glock 23, BHP, and a Beretta 92.  They are each large pistols that hold quite a few rounds.  One of them, the BHP, is stupidly heavy...  And yet just about any steel-framed revolver will weigh that much or more.

    So I give up capacity and gain a more powerful cartridge...  Only I don't.  Or I do, but not as much as I could.  See, I am looking at .357 revolvers with sub-3" barrels.  Not exactly where the Magnum shines.  I don't buy the 'might as well shoot .38+p' argument - the .357 is still potent - but I am having trouble justifying the revolver in my mind.

    Further, if we step away from just the concealable models, a much larger selection becomes available.  The S&W TRR8, as well as Model 29s, 57s, and even 625s.  If I'm honest, though, I have a 1911 in .45 ACP, so I think a revolver in .45 would be unnecessary and redundant.

    I am now thinking a full size revolver in a magnum cartridge, with a 4"+ (preferably 5"+) barrel to take advantage of full power loads.

    But then...  I might change my mind again before morning...



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    So you are upgrading to a full size revolver that you will carry?  :shrug

    Not daily carry, but will you carry it at all?

    Just trying to get your purpose for this as carry previously seemed pretty high of a priority for this purchase.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #79 on: November 19, 2015, 09:40:43 pm »
    But then...  I might change my mind again before morning...

    Welcome to my world. [Insert evil maniacal laugh here]

    If you're going to use it as your EDC, might I suggest the S&W Model 69? 4.25" barrel L-frame, only 5 shots, but it is a .44 Magnum.
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    « Reply #80 on: November 19, 2015, 10:00:53 pm »
    Welcome to my world. [Insert evil maniacal laugh here]

    If you're going to use it as your EDC, might I suggest the S&W Model 69? 4.25" barrel L-frame, only 5 shots, but it is a .44 Magnum.

    I second raptor on this one, if for carry why not 69? If size isn't an issue (if it wasn't for carry), why not just go with a Ruger super redhawk with a 7 1/2 inch barrel?

    I know, I know, no Ruger's  :banghead. But they are bomb proof.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    « Reply #81 on: November 19, 2015, 10:06:05 pm »
    Two things that must be brought up.
    1.  Mia Sara is fecking gorgeous.  She was gorgeous in Legend, and she's still gorgeous... She has aged very well.
    2.  You don't understand the power and glory of packing a full sized, full power, fully armed and operational, magnum revolver.
    It's easy to dismiss an FSR due to slower reloads and fewer rounds on tap... But once you spend some time with an FSR and really get to know it and how to get the accuracy out of it... You will never be under-gunned.   Especially if you are loading full power loads.  Lower Capacity just means you need to miss less. 
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    « Reply #82 on: November 19, 2015, 10:21:47 pm »
    Not daily carry, but will you carry it at all?
    Probably not.  I don't do OC.  It scares the peasants.  :-\

    1.  Mia Sara is fecking gorgeous.  She was gorgeous in Legend, and she's still gorgeous... She has aged very well.
    If you say...  Her features remind me too much of my mother.  Does not look like my mother, just the features are similar, and not in a way that I find attractive.

    2.  You don't understand the power and glory of packing a full sized, full power, fully armed and operational, magnum revolver.
    Something similar to the class gained by packing an overweight-yet-slim (all muscle?) BHP?  Like the one that came off of my belt about a half-hour ago?  The weight is and would be enough of a fuss, but the added thickness under the belt...  I don't know...

    See, the whole thing that got me started on the revolver kick was a 3" 629 in .44 Magnum.  I have since decided that N-frames are too big for carry, hence the 686.  But .357 Magnum isn't quite what I had in mind, unless it is out of a 4" minimum tube.



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    « Reply #83 on: November 19, 2015, 10:47:54 pm »
    Probably not.  I don't do OC.  It scares the peasants.  :-\

    Yeah, that's probably not a good idea, at least not with a full-size revolver. It's legal in PA, but that won't stop the ignorant bystanders from freaking. OTOH, if you were going to do it with, say, a J-frame or an SP101 (I know, no Rugers), you could probably get away with it. back when I worked at The Supermarket back around Philly (which was an even worse place to OC) There was one guy who came in maybe once or twice a month OCing an LC9 OWB. Far as I know, I was the only one who noticed that it wasn't a cell phone or phablet holster. And a friend of mine in college routinely OC'd a PPK down main street in a very busy, very anti-gun hamlet and nobody said boo. But like I said, you probably couldn't manage that with a K-frame, and certainly not with an L- or N-Frame.

    But if you're not going to carry it, why not go all the way and get a 4" N-Frame in .41 or .44 Mag?
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    « Reply #84 on: November 19, 2015, 10:57:14 pm »
    OC around here is uncommon, but not unheard of.  I do try to avoid attention as much as possible, so until I move to AZ where OC is common...  No...

     
    But if you're not going to carry it, why not go all the way and get a 4" N-Frame in .41 or .44 Mag?
    That is my current lean.  I wanted a .44 in the first place, but N-frames are too big for my method of concealment. (Cover garment is a tee shirt or sweat shirt - works pretty well, with only minor printing)  If I am not carrying it, why not go for the biggest, baddest option possible?



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    « Reply #85 on: November 19, 2015, 11:36:22 pm »
    I fondled my buddies 4" .460 S&W. That is a BMF. Only way I would carry that 5 shotter is in a chest rig. Those X frames are big. If I were going big that is the way I would go.

    says the guy with a 6" L frame and 2 N frame .357's :-[
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    « Reply #86 on: November 19, 2015, 11:55:52 pm »
    Not really interested in anything larger than a .44 Mag.

    To be honest, any revolver I can carry will be 4" at the most.  I carry IWB, and anything larger will be, quite literally, a pain in the ass to carry.  Back when I had a 5" K-frame, I stuck it in my waistband just to see if it would be doable.  I set it at approximately the same cant angle as an Adams Texas would put it.  I decided that 5" is just too much for IWB, and 4" is even stretching it.  4" would be doable, but it would seriously be the max.



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    « Reply #87 on: November 20, 2015, 12:09:03 am »
    Two things that must be brought up.
    1.  Mia Sara is fecking gorgeous.  She was gorgeous in Legend, and she's still gorgeous... She has aged very well.
    2.  You don't understand the power and glory of packing a full sized, full power, fully armed and operational, magnum revolver.
    It's easy to dismiss an FSR due to slower reloads and fewer rounds on tap... But once you spend some time with an FSR and really get to know it and how to get the accuracy out of it... You will never be under-gunned.   Especially if you are loading full power loads.  Lower Capacity just means you need to miss less.

    I must have missed something. How did we get on the topic of Mia Sara? I agree with George, but.... Revolver... Actress  :shrug.

    I'm assuming I need to watch movies to gain insight on the young, hip, pop culture references in this thread  :doh.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #88 on: November 20, 2015, 12:55:26 am »
    George posted a picture of some girlyman, which I found distasteful.  Booksmart posted another picture of the same actor, but in a much more butch role.  This lady apparently starred in the latter movie.



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    « Reply #89 on: November 20, 2015, 01:21:47 am »
    George posted a picture of some girlyman, which I found distasteful.  Booksmart posted another picture of the same actor, but in a much more butch role.  This lady apparently starred in the latter movie.



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    Ah, yes. My mind had blocked out the trauma of the man in drag  :bash.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    « Reply #90 on: November 20, 2015, 11:34:06 am »
    I saw pics of chopped Model 69 the other day.   I'd love one, but I will not buy a current S&W.

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