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Title: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on September 16, 2018, 09:34:14 pm
Basically I am looking for a small CCW handgun.  I have had a couple of interesting experiences in the last month, which has reinforced my desire for a gun that I can carry while at work.  I was carrying my .357 Performance Center at work one week, due to aggressive black bears.  And then spent almost a week at an out of town at a crackhead motel.  Different caliber requirements I know. 

I think I want a 9mm single stack with a sub 4" barrel.  My first thought was G43.  I have several different Glocks and find them acceptable in general, but very replaceable if lost for whatever reason.  I have never owned any of the so called small pistols, except for a G36 and I don't have a good holster for it, and am not sure I want to stay with .45 ACP for this role.

I am not comfortable with off body carry, and as I seldom take my keys or wallet out of my truck, I am not comfortable leaving a gun in my truck without securing it.   And as I wear a nail belt with approximately 30lbs of gear in it on my waist and shoulders while I am working, I know that finding a reasonable carry method will be a challenge, so looking for a gun with lots of after market support.

I have been approached about helping with security at church, and as we meet at the local High School concealed needs to mean CONCEALED.   I am thinking that ankle or appendix will likely be my best option, I have never carried in either of these locations so advise there is welcome.

So in short I am looking for recommendations on guns, carry options, holsters.  Price on all these items do matter though not a huge issue.   
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on September 16, 2018, 09:38:36 pm
Also, my work space is a very dirty environment.  I cut the crap out of my index finger last week due to crap from my pocket interfering with the lock on my pocket knife.  Both gun and holster need to be easily cleaned, and relatively impervious to dirt, mud, and sawdust.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: coelacanth on September 16, 2018, 09:43:54 pm
So, the index finger you cut - is that the bang switch finger or the booger hook finger?  :hmm  I hope its healing nicely but if there's going to be a scar it might make a difference as to whether or not you want a pistol with the Glock style trigger safety. 
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: booksmart on September 16, 2018, 10:14:33 pm
I'll make my perennial suggestion: Kahr K9...
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on September 16, 2018, 10:21:27 pm
So, the index finger you cut - is that the bang switch finger or the booger hook finger?  :hmm  I hope its healing nicely but if there's going to be a scar it might make a difference as to whether or not you want a pistol with the Glock style trigger safety. 
Posted by: coelacanth

Bang switch, no scar.  It bled off and on for two days, wife would have stitched it if I had showed her it when I first got home, but I hate stitches.  Cut was almost to the bone right in the crease of the first joint.  Electrical tape and a clean shop rag make the best bandages.  But inhibit movement. :'(

Other guns I am remotely interested in and are looking for recommendations for or against, are G43, LC9, Shield 9, or the little Springfield XDS 9.  Or anything else similar.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on September 16, 2018, 10:25:06 pm
I'll make my perennial suggestion: Kahr K9...
Posted by: booksmart

Why?  I looked at Kahr's years ago, and was not all that impressed.  Of course small 9mm, or any 9mm were just meh to me then.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: coelacanth on September 16, 2018, 10:56:32 pm
I have the Springfield Armory XDs in .45 ACP.  Nice little pistol even if the recoil is a bit snappy.  Not sure I would recommend it for your application though if you have a problem with sawdust.  The grip safety on the back of the grip is going to get stuff worked in around it in that kind of environment and could cause a malfunction. 

Not much experience with the others but if you're experienced with Glock and happy with the performance maybe the G 43 is a good choice.   :hmm
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: MTK20 on September 16, 2018, 11:45:49 pm
Smallest gun I have that I carry regularly is my j frame.

If I was to go out and buy something that had to disappear on me today, I think I'd get the Sig P238 for me personally or the P938 for your 9mm prerequisite. Understand that I haven't owned or shot either of these, but they have definitely caught my eye.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on September 16, 2018, 11:47:41 pm
I have the Springfield Armory XDs in .45 ACP.  Nice little pistol even if the recoil is a bit snappy.  Not sure I would recommend it for your application though if you have a problem with sawdust.  The grip safety on the back of the grip is going to get stuff worked in around it in that kind of environment and could cause a malfunction.
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Not much experience with the others but if you're experienced with Glock and happy with the performance maybe the G 43 is a good choice.   :hmm
Posted by: coelacanth

Good to know.  I owned an XD for about 3 months, not sure I even fired it.  Never even thought about the grip safety being an issue.  I did like the feel of the XDS 4" version I held a couple of years ago.

I have experience with Glocks and find them very blah.  They work and continue to work in adverse conditions, but are just blah.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on September 16, 2018, 11:53:13 pm
Smallest gun I have that I carry regularly is my j frame.

If I was to go out and buy something that had to disappear on me today, I think I'd get the Sig P238 for me personally or the P938 for your 9mm prerequisite. Understand that I haven't owned or shot either of these, but they have definitely caught my eye.
Posted by: MTK20

I love 1911's, but am highly suspicious of short ones.  Also not sure I want a 1911 due to the dirt, and battering this gun is going to be subjected to.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: booksmart on September 16, 2018, 11:55:51 pm
I'll make my perennial suggestion: Kahr K9...
Posted by: booksmart

Why?  I looked at Kahr's years ago, and was not all that impressed.  Of course small 9mm, or any 9mm were just meh to me then.

BTW, looks like the quote function is fixed...

Solid stainless gives it enough mass to tame recoil, the trigger on mine is fantastic, very accurate, and fits your size parameters.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on September 17, 2018, 12:03:14 am
BTW, looks like the quote function is fixed...

Solid stainless gives it enough mass to tame recoil, the trigger on mine is fantastic, very accurate, and fits your size parameters.

Thanks.  I have heard mixed things about the triggers.  I like what I see on paper, but have never held one.  Actually not sure I have ever seen one in the wild.  I will have to do some checking on holster availability, and other after market items.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: MTK20 on September 17, 2018, 12:12:14 am
I was thinking, what about the keltec PF9? Aren't those small, cheap, decent guns that sold like crazy and have pretty good after market support?
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: booksmart on September 17, 2018, 12:28:58 am
I will say the mags are a bit on the pricey side, and it's worth getting the namebrand ones... the one MecGar mag I got with my second one (square cutout for the bolt to pass through to strip the round from the mag, instead of a rounded cutout), the slide would not lock back on the last shot.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: AltRight Vanguard on September 17, 2018, 03:42:49 am
To the OP, myself, I would try out a few before buying one.  And I mean actually shoot them, and see which one you like.  In my case, I bought a Walther PPSm2, and while it looked good in the store, I found that it 'dips down' when I apply a proper shooting grip.  So much so that I can't see the front sight.  It is just an issue of the grip shape/angle, and how it interacts with my hand.  I imagine a Glock 43 would have been a better fit, but now in am stuck with this one.  So make sure of this before you buy. 
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: AltRight Vanguard on September 17, 2018, 03:46:20 am
I was thinking, what about the keltec PF9? Aren't those small, cheap, decent guns that sold like crazy and have pretty good after market support?
Decent?  Surely you mean Ruger's knockoff improvement, the LC9?  Those aren't bad.  But Keltec?  The difference between a Keltec and a Lorcin, is the Lorcin has some heft to it for that 'one aimed throw' after the gun itself stops working.  The PF9 is too light for that use.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Langenator on September 17, 2018, 06:44:49 am
Since nobody has mentioned it, I"ll add the S&W M&P Shield to the list.  I have one that's my main summer (i.e., light clothing) carry gun.

I owned a K40 years ago.  Good gun, good trigger.  My main gripe was it as a royal PITA to disassemble for cleaning.  (It breaks down the old school way, by popping the slide stop out of the frame, and there's not a lot to grip on while trying to hold the slide back to pop the slide stop lever out. YMMV.)
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Plebian on September 17, 2018, 08:55:50 am
Glock 43 or the M&P shield if you need a defensive tool that is going to get banged up.

I would go Glock just for the aftermarket support.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: booksmart on September 17, 2018, 09:11:06 am
Since nobody has mentioned it, I"ll add the S&W M&P Shield to the list.  I have one that's my main summer (i.e., light clothing) carry gun.

I owned a K40 years ago.  Good gun, good trigger.  My main gripe was it as a royal PITA to disassemble for cleaning.  (It breaks down the old school way, by popping the slide stop out of the frame, and there's not a lot to grip on while trying to hold the slide back to pop the slide stop lever out. YMMV.)


I will agree that this is accurate.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: lesptr on September 17, 2018, 11:51:32 am
I don’t have  a K model Kahr, but I do have several polymer framed Kahrs. The trigger pull is very long, but light and smooth. I pocket carry a P380 most of the time. The P9 or the slightly less expensive cw9 might work for you. But that being said, if the Shield 9 had existed when I was looking for a carry gun, I probably never would have bought a Kahr.
The Shield45 is quickly becoming my favorite shooter. The wife loves her Glock 43 and shoots it well, but she still carries the P9.


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Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Chief45 on September 17, 2018, 12:40:47 pm
bought 2 (for my wife and my daughter) of the Ruger LC9s (striker fired version).  Wife picked it out. it's compact, easy to carry, decent trigger, fair sights (for the size of pistol).   They both like it.

just FYI, Buds gun shop has them listed at $262.00.

 https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/93837/Ruger+LC9S+9MM+3.12+7RD+BL

Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: ksuguy on September 17, 2018, 02:37:06 pm
Occasionally you will see the small rugers at PSA for under $200.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: luke213(adamsholsters) on September 17, 2018, 04:40:43 pm
So tough call. I'll start with holsters, I didn't see anything above that I don't build for;) So any of the stuff I recommend of my own gear I know I can build for virtually anything up there. On the holster front I see a couple options all with downsides but what carry method doesn't have that.

Ankle, this actually might be the best option of the bunch. As much as it pains me because I'm really not an ankle rig fan, but it does get it out of the way. Size of the gun and weight is paramount to making ankle rigs work for ya. I've carried light and heavy guns on the ankle, light guns are all I would carry there anymore it's just too much PITA with heavier guns. Also footwear plays a role in this one as well as weather. Ankle sucks in winter weather. Also your gun is going to be exposed to all sorts of stuff like salt wicking up your pant leg in winter etc. So whatever you go with go to something with a pretty hard core finish on it. And despite the fact I'm not a fan typically get a thumb break for your application on the ankle rig.

Pocket, this is a second but very gun dependent. Pocket will get full of junk and crud more so than ankle. But it's an easy go to option for a small enough gun.

Appendix, or any normal IWB rig. I think this is out because of your tool belt. I could be wrong, but typically anytime you run a belt over your regular belt a holster is a serious PITA to make work. I think the additional pressure from a heavy tool belt just makes this not workable including the belt slipping over/under the holster or other belt. It just is a PITA in my experience. Also appendix for allot of bending and moving is probably not the best position. It's great for certain things myself I don't think actually working is one of them, strong side IWB is better but again belt issues here.

Kangaroo pouch/smart carry. This will work also, it's got it's draw backs and I'm only a fan within it's niche. Get a gun that has a hard core finish it's gonna get allot of sweat on it and will rust without that. But this is workable in a work environment as well as church. You can tuck a shirt and if you do print it's at your crotch and generally people don't want to point out anything strange happening in that area;)

So my own rigs, appendix kydex isn't a bad option considering how much abuse it's going to get sweat wise while working heavily. But either of my appendix rigs are pretty high up the list according to the guys who are "appendix guys" and have tested allot of the options out there. I think either would work but I still wouldn't recommend it, but if you go that route try one of those.

Ankle I've got a prototype I've been working on that I could slap together a version for ya to try, works pretty well it's actually almost done just haven't had time to put the finishing touches on the design for release. Otherwise Alessi makes a good ankle rig, and the Galco isn't bad either. I'm not a sheep skin fan but it works.

Pocket, sharkbite but I'm bias, but stick with a small gun.

Gun wise, I'd consider the Sig 365 won't be easy to get but it's an interesting size/bang for the buck gun. Don't mind the keltec but the finish isn't going to take the abuse without rusting. Glock 43 not a bad option, a touch big but not too bad. Honestly I think the shield is also a touch big but would work, I wouldn't run the XDs it's just too big, when dealing with small guns it makes a big difference. The Kahr's aren't bad at all, but I don't know how their finish holds up to hard abuse either.

Personally if it were me, I'd do something like an LCP or P3AT in an ankle or pocket. Cheap throw away almost priced gun, smaller than the 9mm options. I'm not a 380 fan, but it beats a sharp stick, and plan to use it to fight your way to a real gun in the truck etc.

Take care!

Luke
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Kuma on September 17, 2018, 08:12:43 pm
I have a G43 that is my go-to pocket pistol and I highly recommend it. The Wife liked it so much that I gave her one that has become her EDC. We also have a XDs and I agree that the grip safety allows quite a bit of debris into the mechanism. It’s fine for a belt carry but definitely not good for a carry method that is going to get quite dirty.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on September 17, 2018, 10:50:54 pm
Right now, as a pure paper exercise it looks like it is down to the LC9S pro, the G43 and the Shield 9.  All three are available relatively close by and not really expensive and holsters are common.

To the OP, myself, I would try out a few before buying one.  And I mean actually shoot them, and see which one you like.  In my case, I bought a Walther PPSm2, and while it looked good in the store, I found that it 'dips down' when I apply a proper shooting grip.  So much so that I can't see the front sight.  It is just an issue of the grip shape/angle, and how it interacts with my hand.  I imagine a Glock 43 would have been a better fit, but now in am stuck with this one.  So make sure of this before you buy. 

I don't think I will get a chance to shoot one before purchasing. If there is a gun rental place in AK, it is in Anchorage or the Valley which is a 10-12 hour round trip.  That is interesting about the Walther, I had only heard good things about them prior to this.  I had mostly ruled them out due to lack of holster support, besides Luke of course.

I have a couple of co-workers who are using an Occidental Leather vest system, and as I seldom tighten the belt on my current bags, I am also looking at them as part of this exercise.  I think that would open up appendix/pouch carry, if not traditional strong side carry.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on September 18, 2018, 12:56:11 am
Thanks for the detailed comments Luke.  I am leaning towards kydex for holster, due to sweat and cleaning issues.  As soon as I figure out a gun I will be talking to you more.  I am probably going to try an ankle holster first.

I primarily wear mid height hiking boots and mid height work boots in most weather and ground conditions.  If I need insulated boots they are 511 combat boots.  If it is butt cold I wear Much Arctic Sport boots and ankle carry would be out in that case.

I rarely wear a coat except in winter so no pocket carry there.  I carry too much crap in my pants pockets for that to be workable.  I do mostly wear cargo pants, but find the thigh pockets very uncomfortable to carry anything in them.  So pocket carry is out.

I really like the look of that Sig.  Not sure I can find one though.

Part of the role of this gun will be 4 legged predator control, so .380 is too light.  9mm is the really too light for my comfort, but I am not wanting to add another caliber to the collection.  .357 Sig would be great for this role as well.  I am just not sure I want to sacrifice conceallability and lightweight for a faster round.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: coelacanth on September 18, 2018, 02:38:54 am
Well, if you're truly set on the .357 SIG as the best round you might want to investigate the second generation SIG P 250 Compact.  It can be had in that caliber.   :hmm
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: MTK20 on September 18, 2018, 02:45:28 am
Thanks for the detailed comments Luke.  I am leaning towards kydex for holster, due to sweat and cleaning issues.  As soon as I figure out a gun I will be talking to you more.  I am probably going to try an ankle holster first.

I primarily wear mid height hiking boots and mid height work boots in most weather and ground conditions.  If I need insulated boots they are 511 combat boots.  If it is butt cold I wear Much Arctic Sport boots and ankle carry would be out in that case.

I rarely wear a coat except in winter so no pocket carry there.  I carry too much crap in my pants pockets for that to be workable.  I do mostly wear cargo pants, but find the thigh pockets very uncomfortable to carry anything in them.  So pocket carry is out.

I really like the look of that Sig.  Not sure I can find one though.

Part of the role of this gun will be 4 legged predator control, so .380 is too light.  9mm is the really too light for my comfort, but I am not wanting to add another caliber to the collection.  .357 Sig would be great for this role as well.  I am just not sure I want to sacrifice conceallability and lightweight for a faster round.

Ok, something I have experience with. I wear mid length hiking boots as my daily foot wear. I also ankle carry using the Galco ankle glove. It's a fine combo and the two don't interfere with one another. My only recommendation is that you absolutely need the calf strap.

Not much, but my two cents.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on September 18, 2018, 11:57:00 pm
Ok, something I have experience with. I wear mid length hiking boots as my daily foot wear. I also ankle carry using the Galco ankle glove. It's a fine combo and the two don't interfere with one another. My only recommendation is that you absolutely need the calf strap.

Not much, but my two cents.

Thanks. I have zero experience with ankle holsters.

Well, if you're truly set on the .357 SIG as the best round you might want to investigate the second generation SIG P 250 Compact.  It can be had in that caliber.   :hmm

I am set on not adding a new caliber. Which is why.357 Sig is not on the list, unless I stumble on a smoking deal.  >:D
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on September 19, 2018, 12:02:28 am
Speaking of Sig, the P365 is added to the short list. Same basic size as the G43 but 10 round mags.  Have not made it to either gun shop, due to kiddos soccer games. I missed all of them last year, but made it to part of two this year. I did miss the moose that tried to chase the kids off her soccer field today.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on September 22, 2018, 06:53:25 pm
Well I made the rounds of the local gun pushers, and got hands on a G43, Shield 9, and a LCs Pro.  They are all really close in size and price here locally.  Holsters available locally are Safariland kydex, or Uncle Mikes floppy.  Kinda disappointing but not real surprising.  Glock is most expensive at $550, and is a Glock. Spare mags are available at $45 each.  S&W Shield 2.0 is $480 and the trigger was really nice.  Mags were about $35.  LC9-s Pro was most surprising at $430 but a nice trigger.  Also it is the smallest of trio.  Did not see any mags for it though.  The other gun pusher only had regular LCS, and price was about the same as for a pro.  He also had the Taurus G2C which is about the same size, but a bit wider for $250.  As near as I was able to find there is one Sig p365 for sale in the state and it is 650 miles away.  Not sure what I am going to do but a trip up the road might be in the near future to check a few more places.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: dot4x4 on September 26, 2018, 12:25:24 pm
I know I am a late to the party but I just got back into the habit of checking WTA.  I have a friend that works construction and has the same problems as you list.  He went with a shield in a "belly band".  For him he actually got a good back brace, and had a seamstress sew in a pocket that completely covers the shield.  He carries it just to left of his mid line.  It works with his tool belt/suspender set up and he wipes the gun down nightly for any corrosion problems.  It has worked for him for a couple of years now. 
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on September 27, 2018, 01:07:28 am
Thanks for the description.  I had thought about a belly band, but not about useing a back brace as a belly band.  I like the idea of the semi cross draw set up.

I like the feel of the Sheild.  It feals good in the hand, and I like the trigger on the 2.0 much better than the Glock.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: trucker3573 on October 05, 2018, 09:44:42 am
I have a kahr pm9 and love how it shoots. Shoots like a much bigger gun than it is. The PIA breakdown is a huge over statement. We have just all been spoiled by breakdown levers. A monkey could breakdown a kahr no huge deal. I did own an lc9s for a bit. I thought a horrible gun. Not sure what the deal with that gun is but the muzzle flip is ridiculous and let's face it, that gun is the ugliest single stack by far. As far as Shields and xds you really can't go wrong with either.

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Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on October 12, 2018, 11:16:40 pm
I took my G36 with me when I went out of town for work this past week.  This reinforced to me that I need to get a different holster for this gun.  All I have is a "hybrid IWB", and it does not hold the gun secure when not in my pants, and pinches the gun when in my pants.  It also makes the gun carry big.  A G36 is not as big and as heavy as it seems when in that holster. The G36 will go in my work pants pocket with room to spare, and drops right in the chore coat pocket.  But I will not carry it that way without a holster.  Hazards at this job are black bears and I think I will dig the G29 out of storage this weekend to take with me next week, as I have a wider holster selection for that gun.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: coelacanth on October 12, 2018, 11:28:49 pm
Yup.  It never ceases to amaze me how a good holster makes the whole thing work a great deal better. 
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on October 26, 2018, 11:43:15 pm
I called my semi-local preferred gun pusher today, and they have a P365 in stock.  I wanted to run right up and grab it, they are almost 75 miles away, but the kiddo had a B-ball game today, so I asked them to hold it for me til tomorrow.  So I will be going for a drive to slap my mitts on the Sig to see if it will follow me home.  They usually have LC9's, Shield's, and G43's in stock as well.  I am also really tempted by the SCCY, it is just a little heavier than I think would be comfortable for ankle carry.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: booksmart on October 27, 2018, 09:38:32 am
I've handled the display mockup... if the real thing feels as comfortable, it will follow you home. Aggressively.

You might even need to call the shop about harassment issues.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on October 27, 2018, 12:26:26 pm
I've handled the display mockup... if the real thing feels as comfortable, it will follow you home. Aggressively.

You might even need to call the shop about harassment issues.

I am thinking about appendix carry, would that make it sexual harassment? >:D

My wife offered to pick it up, but I am hesitant to buy with out seeing and handling myself.  $50 for extra mags makes me cringe.  Something is going to follow me home.   
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: luke213(adamsholsters) on October 27, 2018, 12:31:42 pm
Lol well if you decide you want to do appendix with kydex I've got a couple shells done and ready;)

(http://kymeraholsters.com/kymeraimages/sig365.jpg)

I do dig the size of that sig though I think eventually I'll have one;)

Luke
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on October 27, 2018, 08:13:09 pm
And the baby Sig followed me home.  Real world LGS price, at least in AK, $580.  About $50 more than G43 with nite sites, About $100 more than Shield with nite sites $150 w/o nite sites.  $150 more than LC9 Pro, $200-250 more than than regular LC9.  SCCY is about the same price as Ruger LC9.  PM40 the only Kahr I could find in stock new in AK is around $750. 

Then I had to stumble through all the crap holsters at Sportsman's Warehouse to find a temp holster.  Right now it is riding in the inside pocket of an un-insulated chore coat in a Blackhawk pocket holster.  It fits in my Carhart pants pocket, but is awkward on the draw. 

I laid it on a Shield 9mm and the grips, S&W flat base mag Sig finger extension mag, were basically the same length.  When the muzzles were lined up the Sig was approximately 1/2" shorter.  Weight with empty mags felt super close.

Lol well if you decide you want to do appendix with kydex I've got a couple shells done and ready;)

I do dig the size of that sig though I think eventually I'll have one;)

Luke

Ordered before writing this post.  Now over to your real site to decide on leather.  I think that a SharkBite is in order. 

It is really a nice size.  And feels nice in the hand, with the pinky extension mag.  It is amazing that Sig got a 10 round mag in a package this small.  I do think that it is going to be snappy when I get to shoot it.

I will post range report and pics later.  Snow was in the forecast for next week so I really should have been cleaning up the driveway and yard for snowblowing, instead of driving 1.5 hours each way to get my hands on a gun.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: luke213(adamsholsters) on October 27, 2018, 08:29:06 pm
Saw that and sent ya a message about the belt fit etc;) For everyone though both sites are my normal way of doing things whether it's kydex or leather I'm still running the show. And at least for the time being I'm the only one in the kydex shop until it picks up. So if anyone orders anything I'll be the one building it etc as usual(actually right now heating the press up and getting ready to make your holster). Either way though the emails go to me and all the stuff is handled by me until my kids get bigger or somehow I can find someone who actually knows enough about guns and holsters who wants to move way out in the woods;)

Glad to hear you liked it, I thought once you had your hands on it likely you'd go that route. That Sig is an impressive little package and surprisingly small for the capacity it really impressed the heck out of me;)

On the leather rig, I've built some for pocket I think myself if I were carrying it I'd run it in a Texas but that's because it's almost the same size as my PF9 and that's my favorite rig for that sized gun when I'm too lazy to carry my 1911's;)

Take care and expect your rig shipping Monday and to AK well not sure how quick it will be but USPS priority as usual;)

Luke
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on October 27, 2018, 08:36:08 pm
Saw that and sent ya a message about the belt fit etc;) For everyone though both sites are my normal way of doing things whether it's kydex or leather I'm still running the show. And at least for the time being I'm the only one in the kydex shop until it picks up. So if anyone orders anything I'll be the one building it etc as usual(actually right now heating the press up and getting ready to make your holster). Either way though the emails go to me and all the stuff is handled by me until my kids get bigger or somehow I can find someone who actually knows enough about guns and holsters who wants to move way out in the woods;)

Glad to hear you liked it, I thought once you had your hands on it likely you'd go that route. That Sig is an impressive little package and surprisingly small for the capacity it really impressed the heck out of me;)

On the leather rig, I've built some for pocket I think myself if I were carrying it I'd run it in a Texas but that's because it's almost the same size as my PF9 and that's my favorite rig for that sized gun when I'm too lazy to carry my 1911's;)

Take care and expect your rig shipping Monday and to AK well not sure how quick it will be but USPS priority as usual;)

Luke

What I am thinking is a left handed Sharkbite tucked in to the top of a "back brace" for a shoulder holster/tanker type position with out the harness of a traditional shoulder holster.  Also with the ability to put it in an inside pocket of the leather jackets I wear for nice, or the zippered pocket of my heavier winter coat.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: luke213(adamsholsters) on October 27, 2018, 08:44:19 pm
That will work, I knew a guy that swore by running a Sharkbite IWB up until his death a few years back;) I kept telling him it was a pocket rig he kept tucking it into his waistband like that;)

I thought you were a righty? Or just planning a backup gun?

Only reason I'm asking is I'm building a right handed appendix holster and if I'm wrong I'll go make a lefty for ya;)

Take care!

Luke
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: LowKey on October 27, 2018, 08:52:08 pm
What I am thinking is a left right handed Sharkbite tucked in to the top of a "back brace" for a shoulder holster/tanker type position with out the harness of a traditional shoulder holster.  Also with the ability to put it in an inside pocket of the leather jackets I wear for nice, or the zippered pocket of my heavier winter coat.

Hmmm.... :hmm
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on October 27, 2018, 10:49:05 pm
That will work, I knew a guy that swore by running a Sharkbite IWB up until his death a few years back;) I kept telling him it was a pocket rig he kept tucking it into his waistband like that;)

I thought you were a righty? Or just planning a backup gun?

Only reason I'm asking is I'm building a right handed appendix holster and if I'm wrong I'll go make a lefty for ya;)

Take care!

Luke

Righty.

I am still thinking of how that would work.  I was thinking about cross draw and that is why I was thinking left.  But it would be right handed flipped around.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on October 27, 2018, 10:50:36 pm
Hmmm.... :hmm

Yes thanks for fixing that for me.  I brain farted.  That is why I have not ordered a Sharkbite yet.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: LowKey on October 27, 2018, 11:13:39 pm
Yes thanks for fixing that for me.  I brain farted.  That is why I have not ordered a Sharkbite yet.
Not so much fixing it as pondering your idea for a sort of tanker/shoulder holster. 
I want something similar,  a holster that would have a pistol grip under the hand (cross draw) if the thumb were just a tad right of center line of the sternum, with the fork of the thumb just a touch below where the ribs start to curve and the pistol at about a 45deg angle.
Not sure if that paints a clear image,.........
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on October 28, 2018, 03:27:39 pm
Pic 1 is Para Order mag, Beretta mag, Sig P365 and G36 mag.  You can see insperation of the Sig mag design.

Pic 2 is Sig next to G 36 mag. Sig is same width as single stack Glock mag.

Pic 3 is Sig next to Para mag. The similarities are distinct. Very similar in idea, how to stuff the most rounds in compact space.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on October 28, 2018, 03:40:46 pm
Just a few to show the size of the P365. For comparison are G36 and round butt commander 1911.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on October 28, 2018, 09:56:44 pm
This P365 is a snappy little devil.  I am feeling it in my right forearm.  I really like the sites and it seems to be very accurate.  I did not shoot at any paper, which I will do before settling on carry ammo.  I did notice variation in POA/POI between different bullet weights.

Prior to shooting I took down the gun and it was wet with oil, no sign of shipping grease, so I just took it out to the back yard range.

I shot 150 rounds of Blazer 147 TMJ aluminum cased ammo.  100 rounds of American Eagle 124 round nose brass cased.  50 rounds of Winchester White box 115 round nose. 50 rounds Speer Gold Dot 147 hollow points, 50 rounds Speer Gold Dot 124 hollow points.  Also 17 rounds of mystery 115 hollow points I had stuffed in a Beretta mag.  All rounds were fired standing at 12-15 yards at steel plates. 

I first shot 50-60 rounds of Blazer and noted that I had to hold on the top of the 6" steel but could hit it consistently if I concentrated on my shots.  Shots on the 12" steel plates were gimme's as long as the front site was centered on the plate.

I next went to the WWB 115 and they were laser beams.  I went 10 for 10 on the 6" plate, and switched to the kiddo's .22 rebounding plates 3"wide x 10" tall and still hit consistently.  I barely shot at the big plate at all.

The 124 AE was hard to figure out where POA/POI was.  I have not shot much of this at all and have no real comparison in my other 9mm, at this time, to figure if it is this ammo or this weight.  I was quickly frustrated with more misses than hits unless I went to the big plate.

I then decided to see if mixing ammo in the mags would induce a failure to feed or eject, so I dumped the 17 115 HP, 10 each of the other hollow points 147 and 124, and 10 each of the FMJ's in a bag and mixed them up.  I closed my eyes and grabbed a handful and loaded up with out looking to see what went in the mags.  I just shot at the big 12" plate and had no failures of any kind.  If I waited for the plate to slow I had no misses, again at 12-15 yards.

By this time I had fired approximately 300 rounds and noticed that my accuracy was falling off.  I was starting to flinch and jerk a bit.  I took a bit of a break and rounded up the cases, I tried to pay attention to where cases were grouped and if there was a difference in brand and bullet weight.  I was moving around a bit, and some of the cases are the same despite brand and bullet weight, so no real conclusions.  I did not remember to look for primer drag until I sat down at the computer, so will have to walk back to the range to check on that.

I finished with about 40 rounds of each of the GD's, and 20 or so of the 124's and 147's.  I noticed that it was much harder to keep the 124's whether round point or hollow point on the steel, compared to the 147's hollow or round.

For what ever reason the gun or I seemed to prefer 115's or 147's over the mid weight 124's no matter bullet shape.  I am going to do a thorough cleaning and slipstream job on it later tonight and will likely do a bunch of dry firing to work it in.  I need to dig into my ammo stashes to see what else I have for 9mm.  I want to try some other brands and bullets to see if that makes a difference in how this beauty shoots.  I also need to get some paper plates out and see what the groups look like, now that I know it functions.   

 
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: coelacanth on October 28, 2018, 10:43:51 pm
Good review.  Thanks for posting it.   :thumbup1
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on November 03, 2018, 03:44:18 pm
Was playing with multiple holsters at work yesterday.  No nail belt, but caulking and painting baseboards, and cutting tile.  Need to run to town to pick up Kymeara holster that came in after I went by the PO.  But ankle holsters came in, as did belly band and back brace.  Wife did not notice I was carrying until she wrapped her arms around me. I will have a Galco ankle holster going up on the pay it forward thread for someone with smaller calves shortly.  I will post some pics later today.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: luke213(adamsholsters) on November 03, 2018, 04:39:06 pm
Keep me posted;)

Luke
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on November 03, 2018, 05:21:04 pm
This is the better of the ankle holsters I got.  It holds the pistol securely and does not flop around and stays in place with out being to uncomfortable.

The Galco COP ankle holsters is too small for me to wear anything but running shoes, and I worry about it showing and falling off as I can barely fasten the Velcro.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on November 03, 2018, 05:31:18 pm
Holster on.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on November 04, 2018, 04:04:26 pm
This belly band is by Nature's Wild.  It is designed to be in the belt line, and it slips down over my belly. But it conceals well.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074J5Q7SL/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: coelacanth on November 04, 2018, 04:11:39 pm
Good pics.  Nice T-shirt, BTW.   :cool
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on November 04, 2018, 04:16:35 pm
This is the Yeeper Deep Concealment Shoulder Holster, I really like it, but I bought the wrong size. I have re-ordered the next size up. And this one will go up on the pay it forward/karma thread when I get the new one. Not sure it will be EDC, but it will be in the trial rotation.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XRX8XTF/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on November 04, 2018, 04:50:37 pm
My favorite set up right now is a Blackhawk Tecgrip sticky holster tucked in a cheap elastic back support.  This is the set up that I think the Adams Holsters Shark Bite will shine in.  I also use this holster tucked in an inside chest pocket of a couple of my jackets.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: luke213(adamsholsters) on November 04, 2018, 04:58:36 pm
I got an idea for ya Mike when you get a chance give me a shout I just left ya a message;)

Luke
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on November 05, 2018, 11:07:32 pm
Good pics.  Nice T-shirt, BTW.   :cool

I have a hard time visualizing how something works, and how someone else is actually wearing the holster.  So I am trying to show how I am utilizing the holsters, especially as I am trying to do something a bit odd.

It seemed like a good time to pull that one out of the closet.  But something in a t-shirt pocket, like I normally wear, does break up the outline of the Yeeper and I would imagine any other similar mid rib holster a bit better.

I got an idea for ya Mike when you get a chance give me a shout I just left ya a message;)
Luke

I intended to comment and share pics on a couple more holsters, I think I bought and have tried 5 or 6 for this gun already, but the conversation with Luke took up all my spare time Sun.

I will say that I am super impressed with the Edict holster.  Nobody but Luke could get me to consider let alone buy a IWB kydex holster.  I hated appendix when I tried it first, but a well designed, and well made holster makes it good.  More pictures will be incoming, but I am leaving in the morning, so maybe next weekend.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: coelacanth on November 06, 2018, 01:08:37 pm
Looking forward to it.   :cool
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on November 10, 2018, 02:04:02 pm
The Edict holster from Kymera Holsters
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: luke213(adamsholsters) on November 10, 2018, 02:14:49 pm
Very nice;)
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: coelacanth on November 10, 2018, 03:18:42 pm
 :thumbup1
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on November 10, 2018, 09:54:20 pm
I was running out the door to work when I posted those pics.  My review on the Edict is in the Edict thread on forum sponsor page for Adams Holsters here, and at https://kymeraholsters.com/store/edictholster. 

It is very thin holster especially for kydex.  Luke has figured out a way to minimize the normal bulk that I find annoying in kydex holsters.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on December 08, 2018, 02:23:47 pm
If you have not tried a Texas rig from Adams Holsters with a small gun...It is amazing.  Smallest gun I have previously run in a Texas rig is a G29, it works very well.  But with the P365 it just disappears.   
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: luke213(adamsholsters) on December 08, 2018, 02:29:49 pm
If you have not tried a Texas rig from Adams Holsters with a small gun...It is amazing.  Smallest gun I have previously run in a Texas rig is a G29, it works very well.  But with the P365 it just disappears.   

Glad to hear it Mike:) I've used my PF9 Texas as my goto back is hurting and need a light gun or just not feeling like carrying a gun gun. Thing just disappears for me in a Texas rig. I actually have a Crossroads for it somewhere but I haven't actually used it in years, small gun in a Texas rig. Something the size of a shield, P938 etc just disappears;)

Either way glad to hear it got there alright;) And if anyone else wants a Sig 365 Texas right handed black, I've actually got another one hanging on the line in the shop I haven't had time to put in the in stock section yet;)

Luke
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: trucker3573 on December 23, 2018, 02:45:43 pm
I'll make my perennial suggestion: Kahr K9...
Posted by: booksmart

Why?  I looked at Kahr's years ago, and was not all that impressed.  Of course small 9mm, or any 9mm were just meh to me then.
I would say pm9 not k9. Because they shoot awesome. Not sure what can be told from "looking" at them.

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Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on December 24, 2018, 01:07:45 am
I would say pm9 not k9. Because they shoot awesome. Not sure what can be told from "looking" at them.
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I like in Alaska, and as near as I can find no one rents guns anywhere in the state.  I live 5 hours from Anchorage, and get there only 1-2 times a year and do not get to the gun shops up there as often as I used too.  "Looking" in my language means holding, dry firing, and manipulating the manual of arms as much as the "owner", usually the clerk at a gun shop, will allow me to perform. 

I have only seen one Kahr in my home town, and that was in the local gun store.  That was a PM 40.  Even the "local" big box gun shop 75 miles away, did not have a Kahr PM9, or any 9mm Kahr.  I have never seen one loose in the wild, where I might be able to ask to shoot it, and have heard mixed reviews about them from the very few people that I know who used to personally own them.  I can not think of one person I know of besides Booksmart who owns one currently.  And all the ones I know of who used to own and carry them have replaced them with Shields, or LC9s or G43s or P365s.   
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: RetroGrouch on December 25, 2018, 02:40:19 am
Well, I own and carry a Kahr P9, but it's trigger is pretty different from a Glock.  Long DAO, smooth, no trigger blade.  It also has better sights out of the box.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on January 06, 2019, 09:55:20 pm
Of course now that I have the P365 and love it, Glock comes out with their 43X.

https://guntalk.com/news/guns/glock-43x-v-sig-p365

What does the brain trust think, Glock or Sig?  I have had zero issues with my Sig, but it is still sitting at around 400 rounds.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: MTK20 on January 06, 2019, 10:28:56 pm
 :shrug

I never had interest in Glock single stack guns. The 43x looks to be a large single stack gun  :banghead . Slide is 6 inches long it says with a height of 5 inches. At that rate, why not just carry a Glock 19?
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: 21B on January 06, 2019, 10:37:52 pm
I’d stick with the Sig because of its compact size compared with the Glock—as stated before the 43x is the same height as the 19. The only reason I’m going with the 43x is because work requires a Glock. Although many internet critics have had problems with the Sig, others have gone over 11k rounds with no problems.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: luke213(adamsholsters) on January 06, 2019, 10:40:32 pm
I put 50 rounds through one today my buddy had over. First time I got to shoot the 365 and I've gotta say it's now on my short list. I was very impressed that said I'd probably run it with the 12 round mag as it was still small and much easier for me to shoot in that config.

Overall though the reason it's so good is it's so small. The glock seems to just be a bigger gun overall which doesn't make much sense to me as a competitor.

Take care

Luke

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Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on July 13, 2019, 09:08:17 pm
https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p365-xl.html

A little interesting that they have chosen to build a larger size P365.  I believe that it is the same basic size/weight as the 320 compact.  I think it is redundant, but for marketing it will probably be a winner.  I was looking at the 320 compact legion last week and dreaming....

I don't need another 9mm.  I can't afford any new guns right now.   :'(  But my heart is so filled want. >:D
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Kuma on July 13, 2019, 11:16:16 pm
My lgs got 2 P365XLs in this morning and they were gone by noon. Somebody traded a S&W 19-4 in for one....
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on July 14, 2019, 03:00:23 am
My lgs got 2 P365XLs in this morning and they were gone by noon.

My not so local gun shop posted about getting one earlier today which was the first I had heard about it, despite being on Sig's email list.

Somebody traded a S&W 19-4 in for one....

Dang.  I won't go there.  I have guns I probably should sell/trade due to how often I shoot them, but I won't.  Don't even ask. 

I am still in love with my p365.  But the small size with out the penalties other small guns seem to suffer with is why I love it.  I would have to handle the xl to see if it is better than other compact size 9mms.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: coelacanth on July 14, 2019, 04:33:00 pm
I like the idea.  Looks like the P320 X-Carry only a little smaller in the grip - which addresses my only complaint about that pistol.  I like the flared mag well and the beavertail grip treatment but the idea of an optic sight on what is essentially a concealed carry pistol seems a bit silly to me.   :shrug
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Plebian on July 14, 2019, 08:24:20 pm
:snip: but the idea of an optic sight on what is essentially a concealed carry pistol seems a bit silly to me.   :shrug

I really like RDS on pistols, but I am like you and do not know if they are carry ready. I think maybe a few more iterations of RDS on pistols and I might adopt it.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: LowKey on July 15, 2019, 12:46:26 am
Worst comes to  worst, a bad RMR is a ghost ring....see meat in the aperture and pull the trigger.
At "classic" SD ranges you should be fine, nyet?
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: Mikee5star on July 15, 2019, 12:52:56 am
I like the idea of some sort of an optical sight/rds on a small carry pistol.  I think that it can be a real force multiplier, and fewer things to muck around with while under stress is a good thing.  I am waiting for the price to come down on the small good rds for putting on a carry pistol.  But I am a cheap skate. 

I really like rds on the pistols that I have put them on, it is like installing an easy button.  I used to hunt snowshoe hares with a browning buckmark with a rds on it.  I would shoot as many as my buddies with iron sited .22 rifles.
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: coelacanth on July 15, 2019, 01:38:42 am
Well, I can see the points you've all made about this type of sight system but it seems to me that maybe a light/laser module might be more useful to me on such a pistol.  Being able to see where your pistol is aimed without having a good sight picture seems like a good idea and those new SIG night sights are really pretty effective for when you do have a good sight picture.   :hmm
Title: Re: Glock 43 or ???
Post by: MTK20 on July 15, 2019, 04:26:20 pm
I'm just a dirty luddite and miserly to boot. I like standard handgun sites. I am lucky to conceal what I can now, I don't want any more odd angles, corners, or squares to print in clothes, add weight, or cost to what I've already got.