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Amybody here old enough to remember when a stock gun had a decent trigger?
« on: October 05, 2015, 12:52:26 pm »
I got interested in shooting in the 70's, back when revolvers from S+W and Colt were mainstays, and the autos were primarily the 1911 (from Colt, no other makers except for the sistema's from Argentina) and the Smith 39 and 59 and the Browning High Power. Not counting all the myriad of pocket guns.
 And they all had a reasonable trigger out of the box. Not target grade, usually, but certainly not the takeup, creep and mush-fest of most modern stock handguns. Maybe that is the necessary limit on what CNC can do and still arrive at a uniformly safe trigger. The days of hand fitting are over.....
 
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    Re: Amybody here old enough to remember when a stock gun had a decent trigger?
    « Reply #1 on: October 05, 2015, 01:39:46 pm »
    Modern CNC can certainly turn out triggers that are consistently light and crisp. Not many folks want them though.

    I have serious doubts that there was ever a Browning High Power that came from the factory with a good trigger too  ;)
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    Re: Amybody here old enough to remember when a stock gun had a decent trigger?
    « Reply #2 on: October 05, 2015, 04:53:21 pm »
    Quote from: JesseL on October 05, 2015, 01:39:46 pm
    Modern CNC can certainly turn out triggers that are consistently light and crisp. Not many folks want them though.

    I have serious doubts that there was ever a Browning High Power that came from the factory with a good trigger too  ;)

     I can understand the reluctance for a light trigger on a defense weapon- but the mushiness is horrible- press the trigger, take up the slack, and then on a lot of new guns there is this creeeep- bang effect as about a yard of sear engagement lets off.
     
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    Re: Amybody here old enough to remember when a stock gun had a decent trigger?
    « Reply #3 on: October 05, 2015, 06:00:29 pm »
    One of the nicest triggers I've have had in my hands was on a new S&W Model 25 Classic. If I'd have had the money I would have bought it on the spot!

    But in general terms yes, the revolvers made in S&W's and Colt's glory days where pretty special right out of the box. I really miss the old-style bluing the most.
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    Re: Amybody here old enough to remember when a stock gun had a decent trigger?
    « Reply #4 on: October 05, 2015, 06:13:48 pm »
    Quote from: JesseL on October 05, 2015, 01:39:46 pm
    Modern CNC can certainly turn out triggers that are consistently light and crisp. Not many folks want them though.

    I have serious doubts that there was ever a Browning High Power that came from the factory with a good trigger too  ;)



    Mine did.  Of course it has "Belgium" on the side.
    I haven't been impressed by the newer ones even if they do have better sights.
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    « Reply #5 on: October 05, 2015, 06:29:26 pm »
    Quote from: exiledtoIA on October 05, 2015, 06:13:48 pm


    Mine did.  Of course it has "Belgium" on the side.
    I haven't been impressed by the newer ones even if they do have better sights.

    Even with the magazine safety in place?
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    « Reply #6 on: October 05, 2015, 08:36:43 pm »
    my '78 Combat commander has a great trigger. I really should have got a modern terrible trigger first. I'm ruined for normal triggers now.
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    Re: Amybody here old enough to remember when a stock gun had a decent trigger?
    « Reply #7 on: October 05, 2015, 10:17:48 pm »
    Quote from: tokugawa on October 05, 2015, 04:53:21 pm
    I can understand the reluctance for a light trigger on a defense weapon- but the mushiness is horrible- press the trigger, take up the slack, and then on a lot of new guns there is this creeeep- bang effect as about a yard of sear engagement lets off.
    I think this is mostly because of the design of striker-fired pistols.  Old revolvers and new alike, can have fantastic triggers.  Hammer fired autos, the same.  They don't all actually have great triggers, but they can.  The potential is there.  Striker guns...  I have yet to feel a great trigger.  Some good, lots of bad, but not yet one that I would call 'great.'



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    Re: Amybody here old enough to remember when a stock gun had a decent trigger?
    « Reply #8 on: October 05, 2015, 10:33:24 pm »
    There was one trigger kit for Glock that George wrote about on mad ogre blog. IIRC, he said it was so good it would could make some 1911's harumph in frustration saying that "well, at least we are a real single action trigger".

    I need to find the exact quote and page he posted on. Could've been the blog or on here. Which trigger was it? The Haley skimmer trigger?
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    Re: Amybody here old enough to remember when a stock gun had a decent trigger?
    « Reply #9 on: October 07, 2015, 09:04:24 am »
    IMO the S&W revolvers still have good triggers, just a little heavy from the factory.  Unfortunately getting the perfect trigger costs some money unless you have the skills to do it yourself.
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    « Reply #10 on: October 07, 2015, 04:22:55 pm »
    Most new guns are coming with shockingly good triggers... and to get them better all you need is 200 rounds.
    Unless you have a new S&W Auto and then you need new parts.
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    Re: Amybody here old enough to remember when a stock gun had a decent trigger?
    « Reply #11 on: October 07, 2015, 04:46:12 pm »
    Quote from: JesseL on October 05, 2015, 06:29:26 pm
    Even with the magazine safety in place?

    It was good before.  Once Cylinder and Slide pulled it it got even better.
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    Re: Amybody here old enough to remember when a stock gun had a decent trigger?
    « Reply #12 on: October 09, 2015, 12:54:10 pm »
    Quote from: GeorgeHill on October 07, 2015, 04:22:55 pm
    Most new guns are coming with shockingly good triggers... and to get them better all you need is 200 rounds.
    Unless you have a new S&W Auto and then you need new parts.


     Handguns? Really?  I don't haunt gunstores but would love to know more.
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