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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #76 on: September 27, 2015, 01:22:19 am »
    Looks like a nice carry 1911, if only they'd shorten that butt :bash. The officer grip length with a 4-5 inch slide would be my ideal 1911. Sadly I know of very few makers/models who make them that way.

    ETA: Actually the height isn't too far off on that model. I'd prefer the height to be 5 inches or less ideally.

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    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #77 on: September 27, 2015, 08:48:49 am »
    There was one time shooting my Springer TRP I could actually see the slide slowing down as I shot. It never FTF but a little Slipstream worked wonders. The only issues I've ever had with my Compact have been mag issues. I don't use those mags any more.

    I'd carry my TRP as a duty weapon if it was issued. I'm not going to subject my expensive semi custom TRP to the abuse it would receive following a dog around. Plus I frequently go to other jurisdictions and I'm not sure how quickly I'd get my gun back if I was involved in a shooting. If another agency wants to hold the department Glock long term I don't care. I'll just get another issued. 

    There's a reservation to the north and I've heard if the FBI gets your gun from an OIS good luck getting it back. Sarge712 probably has better info on that than me.
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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #78 on: September 27, 2015, 12:14:50 pm »
    I want a Nighthawk T3. 
    I want a Dan Wesson V-Bob.
    I want a SIG RCS.
    I want a Wilson Combat....

    This list would be never ending...
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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #79 on: September 27, 2015, 02:31:05 pm »
    I want a pair of RIA Tactical 10mm's. Because reasons.

    Does anyone make a 10 round mag other than Tripp?
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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #80 on: September 27, 2015, 09:20:06 pm »
    I want a pair of RIA Tactical 10mm's. Because reasons.

    Does anyone make a 10 round mag other than Tripp?

    Damn You, HiVelSword!  Now I need a pair of the RIA high cap 10mm, a full size and a midsize.  Also thinking about a mid size high cap TCM combo.  A 17 + 1 9mm commander, sounds like a good carry gun to me.

    Does anyone know who makes RIA's double stack mags?
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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #81 on: September 27, 2015, 09:48:25 pm »
    https://us.armscor.com/products/rock-ultra-fs-10mm

    Wanted to see what all the hub bub was about and..... My gosh. They have what I've been looking for all these years.

    A 1911 in .38 super.

    Someone, quick! Tell me if RIA makes decent 1911's!
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #83 on: September 27, 2015, 10:40:12 pm »

    Damn You, HiVelSword!  Now I need a pair of the RIA high cap 10mm, a full size and a midsize.  Also thinking about a mid size high cap TCM combo.  A 17 + 1 9mm commander, sounds like a good carry gun to me.

    Does anyone know who makes RIA's double stack mags?

    My buddy just bought the double stack 9mm and it uses para style magazines.


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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #84 on: September 27, 2015, 11:01:26 pm »
    My buddy just bought the double stack 9mm and it uses para style magazines.
    I am not the world's biggest fan of the 1911 platform, but a double stack Para-Ordnance actually fits my rather small hands better than a regular 1911 does.  I probably will never be able to justify funding a full custom build, but a RIA 10mm double stack might be in my future.



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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #85 on: September 28, 2015, 05:22:36 am »
    https://us.armscor.com/products/rock-ultra-fs-10mm

    Wanted to see what all the hub bub was about and..... My gosh. They have what I've been looking for all these years.

    A 1911 in .38 super.

    Someone, quick! Tell me if RIA makes decent 1911's!
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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #86 on: September 28, 2015, 10:01:03 pm »
    https://us.armscor.com/products/rock-ultra-fs-10mm

    Wanted to see what all the hub bub was about and..... My gosh. They have what I've been looking for all these years.

    A 1911 in .38 super.

    Someone, quick! Tell me if RIA makes decent 1911's!

    I've had a Rock Island for years, no issues.  Solid platform, reliable.

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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #87 on: September 28, 2015, 11:40:27 pm »
    I love my rock island.

    I've had a Rock Island for years, no issues.  Solid platform, reliable.

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    Awesome! And they look reasonably priced too!
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #88 on: September 29, 2015, 12:17:06 am »
    When the threat environment changes, the choice of tool may change also. See my link in "general" about the westgate mall attack-

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    « Reply #89 on: October 01, 2015, 07:51:33 am »
    There was one time shooting my Springer TRP I could actually see the slide slowing down as I shot. It never FTF but a little Slipstream worked wonders. The only issues I've ever had with my Compact have been mag issues. I don't use those mags any more.

    I'd carry my TRP as a duty weapon if it was issued. I'm not going to subject my expensive semi custom TRP to the abuse it would receive following a dog around. Plus I frequently go to other jurisdictions and I'm not sure how quickly I'd get my gun back if I was involved in a shooting. If another agency wants to hold the department Glock long term I don't care. I'll just get another issued. 

    There's a reservation to the north and I've heard if the FBI gets your gun from an OIS good luck getting it back. Sarge712 probably has better info on that than me.

    I use the same chain of thought as well on duty and we go all over the place in support of other agencies. I'd rather them take my Glock than my 1911. Here we haven't had that bad of a deal with the FBI returning personal firearms. I used my WASR in a shooting and it was returned promptly as soon as we were cleared by the US Attorney. Now the NC State Bureau of Investigation are noted dicks about that. It was going on a year after my buddy was cleared by the state district attorney and the SBI lab still hadn't returned his personal owned S&W 659. He began calling them every Monday then started going up the chain of command till he hit the Ivory Tower in Raleigh. When he finally got it back it was disassembled down to the last screw, spring and plunger, way beyond the simple ballistics test needed in a post-shooting investigation. He just laughed at the pettiness as he was an armorer but our chief was pissed and rattled some heads over it.
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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #90 on: October 01, 2015, 11:27:19 am »
    When he finally got it back it was disassembled down to the last screw, spring and plunger, way beyond the simple ballistics test needed in a post-shooting investigation.

    That's just spite.   
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    « Reply #91 on: October 01, 2015, 07:48:21 pm »
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    « Reply #92 on: October 01, 2015, 08:16:28 pm »
     :rotfl   .   .   .   never knew the actual designation for that particular acronym.   :cool
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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #93 on: October 01, 2015, 08:23:32 pm »
    Ah, what the hell, I'll chime in here (just because I haven't posted on here in ages). I carry a 1911 on a daily basis and shoot uspsa matches with it regularly. The only failures I've had with it were due to worn out magazines. A little bit of slipstream and she runs like a top. With 2 spare mags I don't think I'm under-gunned in any realistic circumstances I'd find myself in.

    On a side note, Shaw is a good guy, a straight shooter, and from what I've heard - a great instructor.

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    « Reply #94 on: October 07, 2015, 03:51:15 pm »
    Tuning in late.

    Magazine capacity: Meh... Up next, let's talk about how the single stack Glock is the greatest carry gun ever. But if I'm worried about it, I'll carry my STI that holds 20 rounds.

    Safety Lever: It isn't rocket science. You expect these people to do all this complex problem solving under stress, but they can't flip a lever? Hell, with my regular grip I can't not flip off the safety. Oh, but we can routinely expect them to do even more complex stuff using a rifle that has a safety lever, but not on a pistol BECAUSE YOU WILL DIE!

    Magazine Compatibility: What is this? Ye Olde Dayes and the gun industry is all like Herp Derp can't make box with spring inside? Does he live some place where all they get is the Tapco catalog? Buy good mags. Then use them. Do they work? Yay! Do they not work? Chuck them. This hasn't really been an issue with 1911 mags since Chip McCormick said, hey, maybe we should make mags that aren't total s___, and Bill Wilson was all like, that's a great idea!

    And I'm saying this as a dude with $2,000 of numbered STI mags. (Oh, if they do another AWB, I am SO READY). Paint pen. Stick a number on it. It sucks? I use it as a practice mag because I'm too cheap to throw away $50 mags.

    Reliability: Again? Seriously? Is this Guns & Ammo circa 1984?

    Holy s___.

    Purchase gun. Does gun work? Yay! Carry gun. Does gun not work? Send it back to get fixed. Does gun still not work? Get rid of it. Buy better gun. Repeat.

    I don't know about you guys, but if my gun is 99.9% reliable instead of 99.99% reliable, I'll just have to somehow figure out how to get by.

    Where are these guys finding all of these super unreliable guns these days?

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    « Reply #95 on: October 07, 2015, 04:48:08 pm »
    I agree with Correia.  Even with 9mm 1911s these days, just find mags that work in your gun and stick with them.  McCormick, Wilson Combat, and maybe one or two other manufacturers have recently started offering updated mags that pretty much solve the 9mm feeding problems.  The mags that shipped with my recent production Colt Commander 9mm work fine as well.
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    « Reply #96 on: October 07, 2015, 11:14:24 pm »
    Where are these guys finding all of these super unreliable guns these days?

    Well first, they buy whatever they read about in American Handgunner last week.  Sight un-seen on Gunbroker.  For a 10% over MSRP premium.

    Then they changed every spring, drawbar, connector and widget in the gun with something out of Guns R Us cause tactical.

    And finally, to save money, they load the cheapest cast bullets they can find without sizing the bore, using a recipe from the interwebz, with no caliper, just by eyeball for COAL and mouth diameter of loaded ammo.

    But, it is the 1911's fault it won't run.
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    « Reply #97 on: October 09, 2015, 12:22:08 pm »
    Unreliable 1911s? Maybe they are buying Kimber Ultras, using cheap mags to save money, and lubing them with Froglube.

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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #98 on: October 09, 2015, 12:26:15 pm »
    But seriously, Shaw isn't saying that they are bad, just that the features are not his cup of tea. He already knows and trusts Glocks, Sigs and Berettas, has seen many 1911s malfunction in his classes and just doesn't want to have any doubts about his personal carry gun.

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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #99 on: October 09, 2015, 12:51:33 pm »
    I bet 90% of firearm reliability problems stem from modifications.

     

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