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Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
« Reply #50 on: September 24, 2015, 09:47:19 am »
IMO, the 1911 is a fine weapon. And it can (fairly) easily be made into a great weapon.Main reason I don't carry one is because I simply don't own one. If I did I'm sure it would have a place in the carry rotation, and if I'm going to carry a gun with a manual safety I want it to be a nice sized 1911 style safety. The only manual safeties I wont carry are smaller less intuitive to disengage or otherwise awkward safeties. But obviously, it's not my first choice since I've chosen others ahead of it.

All that said when the zombies come and I need to raid the gun shop, and have a firearms buffet to pick from but no time to test? While obviously not ideal, having to load up and go without testing? It's not going to be a 1911.
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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #51 on: September 24, 2015, 10:15:41 am »
    I've stopped worrying about hardware and ammo beyond "is it reliable" and have worked on being able to use what I've chosen. Yes I have a somewhat large collection of handguns but it's now because I wanted them not felt like I needed them. I like the designs or they might feel a niche. I also like to keep passably familiar with different operating systems. They do fill another roll and it's as lenders for friends and family to try out. I didn't really have a pool of guns to borrow or rent when I started looking into carrying. If my collection makes me happy and lessens the difficulty people I know and love when they start on their firearms journey, then 2 birds with 1 stone right?

    Do I feel outgunned when I carry a revolver? Not if the assailant has a knife or a pistol. If he has an AK or shotgun, then I probably would feel outgunned. But I can still outfight the bad guy if I'm trained and following that training.


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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #52 on: September 24, 2015, 11:06:37 am »
    Yes I have a somewhat large collection of handguns but it's now because I wanted them not felt like I needed them. I like the designs or they might feel a niche. I also like to keep passably familiar with different operating systems.
    This is pretty much me, as well.  I like to have something to fill each of the most common niches and operating systems.

    Do I feel outgunned when I carry a revolver? Not if the assailant has a knife or a pistol. If he has an AK or shotgun, then I probably would feel outgunned. But I can still outfight the bad guy if I'm trained and following that training.
    Outgunned, yes, but then again, you are outgunned with any handgun.  If you are out in the open, it will be about who shoots first, and in such case a revolver that you train with will beat out a semi that you don't.  Can a person really squeeze of seven or more before he gets his weapon up? (and he is the attacker, so he is already on offense)

    Likewise, if you can get behind actual cover before engaging, the capacity limitations of a revolver are negated, and the positive aspects can shine. (like magnum cartridges, if you are carrying them)



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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #53 on: September 24, 2015, 11:17:54 am »
    All that said when the zombies come and I need to raid the gun shop, and have a firearms buffet to pick from but no time to test? While obviously not ideal, having to load up and go without testing? It's not going to be a 1911.
    I don't think that anyone is going to be able to argue against this.  As a class, 1911s are going to have more potential problems 'out of the box' than other designs, and this is simply because so many manufacturers are turning them out, and who knows where the parts came from, or what tolerances were held to.

    In that vein, if the zombies ever come, skip the used gun rack.  I have had two older Sigs (and who is going to argue against their quality) crap out on me at a training class.  The P229 was just a recoil spring, and actually worked when suppressed...  The P6?  Who knows?  I am on the fourth hammer spring since it had an action job, and I still don't trust it for carry.

    Point is, if the zombies ever come, I am looking at new guns ONLY.



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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #54 on: September 24, 2015, 12:59:58 pm »
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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #55 on: September 24, 2015, 03:18:12 pm »
    If the zombies come and I have a gunshop smorgasbord to choose from, there are a number of 1911s I will choose, without a worry about reliability.
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    « Reply #56 on: September 24, 2015, 06:54:48 pm »
    You know one of the biggest reasons the 1911 doesn't run for most people?  And here's the dumb part.  They look at a pistol made in 2014 and look at how to lubricate a Glock and say, yeah what the hell.  And so they put a couple drips of oil on it and run.  Well genius, this gun may be made in 2014, but it was designed in 1910.  When they greased guns.  Oil was minimal and used mostly on small coil springs and other small parts.  Try running a 1911 with a nice grease.  It runs.  Shocker. 
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    « Reply #57 on: September 24, 2015, 07:17:22 pm »
    Modern Shootist.  Yes. 
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    « Reply #58 on: September 24, 2015, 07:41:13 pm »
    You know one of the biggest reasons the 1911 doesn't run for most people?  And here's the dumb part.  They look at a pistol made in 2014 and look at how to lubricate a Glock and say, yeah what the hell.  And so they put a couple drips of oil on it and run.  Well genius, this gun may be made in 2014, but it was designed in 1910.  When they greased guns.  Oil was minimal and used mostly on small coil springs and other small parts.  Try running a 1911 with a nice grease.  It runs.  Shocker. 

    Hmm... That may explain why my RO Compact will FTFeed after 300-400 or so rounds after being lubed. Note to self: buy Slipstream grease.
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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #59 on: September 24, 2015, 08:03:43 pm »
    Yeah on pistols with long frame rails (1911s and Sigs mainly) I've been running slipstream grease and couldn't be happier.
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    « Reply #60 on: September 24, 2015, 08:18:44 pm »
    I'm a big fan of grease for firearms lube and I tend to run things fairly wet. Its always worked for me;) Once in a while I clean stuff but I'm not too religious about it I'd venture to say most of my guns are fairly dirty most of the time but they still run fine.

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    « Reply #61 on: September 24, 2015, 09:02:01 pm »
    You know one of the biggest reasons the 1911 doesn't run for most people?  And here's the dumb part.  They look at a pistol made in 2014 and look at how to lubricate a Glock and say, yeah what the hell.  And so they put a couple drips of oil on it and run.  Well genius, this gun may be made in 2014, but it was designed in 1910.  When they greased guns.  Oil was minimal and used mostly on small coil springs and other small parts.  Try running a 1911 with a nice grease.  It runs.  Shocker. 
    oil? I run grease on all my guns. it sticks better and i find it makes all of my guns more reliable.
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    « Reply #62 on: September 24, 2015, 10:16:19 pm »
    I, too, run grease on all my weapons, even my Glocks. I've never followed the Glock oiling directives. That may very well be THE reason why I've never had a problem with my 1911's.
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    « Reply #63 on: September 24, 2015, 10:32:03 pm »
    Note to self: buy Slipstream grease.
    That's a given.
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    « Reply #64 on: September 24, 2015, 10:33:55 pm »
    I actually found a combination of Slipstream and Slipstream Grease to work best in 1911's.  The little bit of oil makes the grease more of a Slipstream slurry and it goes right where it's needed...
    So slick... So dirty... So good...
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    « Reply #65 on: September 24, 2015, 11:18:07 pm »
    Only on the rails, right? Use on the locking lugs?

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    « Reply #66 on: September 24, 2015, 11:58:26 pm »
    Two things.  Mr. Shaw has a very annoying delivery.  He needs to get a transcription of what he actually says on this video and read it.

    He contradicts himself and gives conditional approval to some of the things he recommended against just a moment before.  He may be a good guy but based upon his video I wouldn't consider him for training.  He's welcome to his opinion but I wish I had my 5 minutes back. 

    I don't consider myself a "shootist", modern or otherwise. As far as the 1911 pistol goes?  I use them in my carry line-up and have for many years.  The one I have owned the longest is monotonously reliable.  It makes .45 caliber holes appear where I want them to when I do my part.  I like the 1911 because it is a known quantity.  I have more rounds down range through them than all my other handguns combined.  I am familiar with them so I trust them - even when I may find myself in deep sh*t . 



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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #67 on: September 25, 2015, 12:15:17 am »


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    « Reply #68 on: September 25, 2015, 04:59:18 am »
    This is pretty much me, as well.  I like to have something to fill each of the most common niches and operating systems.
     Outgunned, yes, but then again, you are outgunned with any handgun.  If you are out in the open, it will be about who shoots first, and in such case a revolver that you train with will beat out a semi that you don't.  Can a person really squeeze of seven or more before he gets his weapon up? (and he is the attacker, so he is already on offense)

    Likewise, if you can get behind actual cover before engaging, the capacity limitations of a revolver are negated, and the positive aspects can shine. (like magnum cartridges, if you are carrying them)



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    « Reply #69 on: September 25, 2015, 09:56:52 am »
    I remember GunDoc mentioning in a video one time that he used both Slipstream grease and oil on his pistols. I've tried it and it works great. So I use that combo on all my semi-autos. It makes Sigs run really smooth.


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    « Reply #70 on: September 25, 2015, 12:09:27 pm »
    Im my experience, a properly built 1911 will run fine with any quality lube.  I use Slip 2000 on mine and they work.
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    « Reply #71 on: September 25, 2015, 04:53:06 pm »
    I always use grease, or grease with a little oil, on my firearms. The only place I tend to use oil only are areas that are hard to reach or where wicking is desired. Or if I'm adding a little lube without cleaning or tearing the weapon down.
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    « Reply #72 on: September 26, 2015, 02:19:42 pm »
    As well I use the slipstream grease. Before that I was using lubraplate. Perhaps this is why the 1911 has worked so well for me over the years.
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    « Reply #73 on: September 26, 2015, 02:55:36 pm »
    I agree with much of what he says about the 1911.  Now, I usually carry a double action revolver.  If I was to carry an autoloader it would be a Ruger SR-9, a S&W M&P or a similar sized striker fired pistol (My hands are too small to use a Glock). That said there is no good reason for a private citizen not to carry a 1911.

    My thought is that if a 1911 -- or a revolver for that matter -- work in real life, private sector self-defense (and they do) then it should work in training.
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    Re: 4 Reasons I don't trust a 1911 with my life
    « Reply #74 on: September 27, 2015, 01:00:35 am »
    1911's are awful. That's why I only own three of them.

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