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Title: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: RMc on July 31, 2017, 11:27:33 pm
"Indeed, the 32 S&W has a poor reputation as a man stopper. But to our surprise, these bullets passed through four layers of denim and penetrated 14 inches into the gel."

http://www.guns.com/review/gun-review-iver-johnson-safety-automatic-revolver-in-32-sw/

Who would have thought?   :hmm
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: MTK20 on July 31, 2017, 11:56:19 pm
While not potent for an enraged or motivated attacker, I believe this is the cartridge known for burying many a hapless gambler whose luck was a little too good at the card table.
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: coelacanth on August 01, 2017, 02:56:49 pm
I won't rehash my own personal anecdote here but I definitely don't want anybody shooting at me with a .30 caliber projectile out of anything more serious than a Nerf gun. 
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: MTK20 on August 01, 2017, 03:44:13 pm
I won't rehash my own personal anecdote here but I definitely don't want anybody shooting at me with a .30 caliber projectile out of anything more serious than a Nerf gun.

Can't be a rehash if one hasn't heard it before  ;).
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: RMc on August 01, 2017, 03:55:30 pm
While not potent for an enraged or motivated attacker, I believe this is the cartridge known for burying many a hapless gambler whose luck was a little too good at the card table.

Most surprising is this diminutive 19th century round had sufficient penetration to reach the "vitals" - under modern standards!
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: MTK20 on August 01, 2017, 04:22:51 pm
 :thumbup1

Just realised I own that revolver, btw  :rotfl. Well, a family member does, but I have never shot it.
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: coelacanth on August 01, 2017, 07:05:23 pm
All of the .30 caliber handguns were very popular back in the day.  The .32 S&W, .32 Short Colt, .32 ACP, 7.62 Mauser, 7.62 Tokarev, 7.62 Nagant, 32-20 Winchester and so on.   Today we are left primarily with the .32 ACP, .32 H&R magnum, .327 Federal and the venerable 32-20 Winchester. 

Ruger still chambers the Blackhawk revolver in .30 carbine also but I don't think any other stock handgun can use that one AFAIK.   

The .30 caliber rounds have always enjoyed a good reputation as emphatic killers of varmints and small game and they were also popular as self defense weapons for a very long time.  In many places they still are - particularly those that forbid civilian ownership of any weapons chambered in military cartridges. 

Can't be a rehash if one hasn't heard it before  ;).
It was an incident that happened to a co-worker many years ago.  The incident was remarkably similar to your description:

While not potent for an enraged or motivated attacker, I believe this is the cartridge known for burying many a hapless gambler whose luck was a little too good at the card table.

Apparently a "friendly" card game turned decidedly less so and he took five rounds of .32 ACP to the chest from across a kitchen table.  He fell to the floor, bled out and was unconscious when the ambulance arrived ten minutes later.  He died of his wounds a short time later.

We used to load "mouse fart" loads in an old .30-30 rifle using No. 1 round lead shot and at about 800-900 fps (estimated) those loads were deadly on rabbits and the occasional ground hog.  A .30 caliber round of any sort is not an inconsequential thing.   :hmm
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: First Shirt on August 01, 2017, 07:10:56 pm
Once upon a time, Ruger made a short run (possibly a special order for Davidson or Lipsey) that came with three cylinders; .30 Carbine, .32-20, and .32 H&R Magnum.  It was one of those things that would have been fun, just for the "gee-whiz" factor.
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: coelacanth on August 01, 2017, 07:16:12 pm
Yup.  They are scarce as hen's teeth and usually bring a bloody fortune on the used gun market assuming you actually find one for sale.  The last one I saw for sale was missing one of the cylinders ( the 32-20 I think ) and a good bit of its original finish and the galoot was still asking $1200 for the thing.   :facepalm
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: Mikee5star on August 01, 2017, 10:16:28 pm
My Grandfather was shot with a .32 S&W when my mother was one year old.  He confronted a neighbor for stealing chickens, and the bastard shot him.  He walked home, drove to the hospital (Grandma never drove, except in the fields), they looked at him, he was shot below the belt, rolled him into a corner and left him to die.  When he did not die by the morning, so they took another look and did whatever they did, and he recovered.  What happened to the neighbor I never heard.

Still don't want to be shot with one.
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: First Shirt on August 01, 2017, 10:28:15 pm
Once caught a 7.62X25 round in the left thigh.  Would have been worse, I'm sure, but it bounced off the only rock in a 5-mile radius, and was almost square when I caught it.  Was shallow enough that the corpsman could see it down at the bottom of the hole.  Having that [expletive deleted] pull it out with a pair of needle nose pliers was worse than catching it in the first place!
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: Plebian on August 01, 2017, 11:30:44 pm
My little 38 S&W break top shot clean through a broadside deer.

Some of those older anemic rounds have some crazy penetration for such low velocity and energy.
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: MTK20 on August 02, 2017, 12:14:13 am
*Looks around at thread*

So uh, who here hasn't been shot by a 30 calibre handgun?  :shocked
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: Plebian on August 02, 2017, 12:17:02 am
*Looks around at thread*

So uh, who here hasn't been shot by a 30 calibre handgun?  :shocked

I have only been shot by a 22lr in the shin. My main lesson learned was that shooting at old toilets is a bad idea. There can be pretty good ricochets.
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: coelacanth on August 02, 2017, 12:17:18 am
*Looks around at thread*

So uh, who here hasn't been shot by a 30 calibre handgun?  :shocked


Me, but I knew a guy once .  .  . 
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: Raptor on August 02, 2017, 12:22:09 am
*Looks around at thread*

So uh, who here hasn't been shot by a 30 calibre handgun?  :shocked

Only things I've been shot by are .68-caliber paintball guns and a 6mm airsoft pistol. The airsoft pistol was an accident. Have to remember to thank Little Brother again for that.

In the unlikely event that anyone here has a solid frame .32 S&W Long /.32 Colt New Police (not the same as regular .32 S&W, I know), Buffalo Bore is loading high(er) pressure wadcutter and LFN loads for defensive ammo.
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: MTK20 on August 02, 2017, 12:26:26 am
I got hit by spalding of some sort. A fragment of either the round or the rocks it hit at the gun range. Made my cheek bleed beneath my left eye.

Dude really shouldn't have shot an AR15 next to me (I was down range setting up steel plates). I kind of lost faith in the shooting lanes that day.

I do have to laugh that of all things, I got hit with something out of an AR. That's the scary, infinitely deadly one they say  :P .
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: First Shirt on August 02, 2017, 12:18:46 pm
Under the heading of "wild hare ideas" could a .32 H&R Magnum cylinder be machined to take moon clips to allow the use of .30 Carbine?  Could you find moon clips for it, if it could?
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: LowKey on August 02, 2017, 02:11:46 pm
*Looks around at thread*

So uh, who here hasn't been shot by a 30 calibre handgun?  :shocked
Me. I got hit with one round of .45ACP ball in an extremity at close range.  Went right through,  blew out some bone shards but left a neat and reasonable clean hole.   Throbbed like a sumb____  for a week.
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: Raptor on August 02, 2017, 02:25:50 pm
Under the heading of "wild hare ideas" could a .32 H&R Magnum cylinder be machined to take moon clips to allow the use of .30 Carbine?  Could you find moon clips for it, if it could?

Dunno if it's physically possible, but it wouldn't work either way: SAAMI rates .32 H&R at 21,000 CUP Maximum Average Pressure, while .30 Carbine is rated at 40,000 CUP Maximum Average Pressure. If you were converting a standard .32 H&R cylinder, it'd probably blow up the first time you fired it.
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: First Shirt on August 02, 2017, 03:53:33 pm
Hadn't considered the differences in chamber pressures. :doh

Thanks!  Back to the drawing board, I guess.
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: sqlbullet on August 02, 2017, 04:10:26 pm
327 Federal would be  better starting point since that cartridge is rated for 45,000 PSI.

But, there are other issues too.  Taper case vs straight wall.  And the 30 carbine taper is smaller than the 327 Federal at the neck, but larger than the 327 federal at the head.  By the time you get 30 carbine  brass to chamber, the gun probably won't be safe for 327 federal anymore.

Even if all that did work out, the 30 carbine shoots a .308 bullet, where the 327 shoots a .312.  So, even if it weren't for the other issues, accuracy would probably be pretty bad.
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: First Shirt on August 03, 2017, 03:12:21 pm
Wonder how Ruger got away with the three-cylinder combo?  If it would work with .32-20 and .32 H&R, it wouldn't work with .30 Carbine, and vice versa.
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: sqlbullet on August 03, 2017, 05:43:21 pm
Use a 308 barrel.  The .312 bullets will squeeze right down with little issue.
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: First Shirt on August 03, 2017, 06:31:03 pm
Use a 308 barrel.  The .312 bullets will squeeze right down with little issue.
Might send the pressures up a bit, all things considered.  Don't you think?  I'm a big fan of .452 bullets in a .451 barrel, but that's about as far as I'm willing to go.
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: Raptor on August 03, 2017, 09:05:14 pm
Might send the pressures up a bit, all things considered.  Don't you think?  I'm a big fan of .452 bullets in a .451 barrel, but that's about as far as I'm willing to go.

I wouldn't be worried that much, seeing as how .30 Carbine pressures are more than double .32-20 and .32 H&R pressure, and Ruger already offers the Blackhawk in .30 Carbine.
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: RMc on December 16, 2017, 02:25:55 pm
Now if Ruger were to offer a 327 magnum 5 shot single action Bearcat, I suspect that a fair number of folks would begin carrying a single action for self defense!

http://www.gunblast.com/Harton-327Bearcat.htm

Some already pay well for the possibility!
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: RMc on October 02, 2018, 06:48:20 am
Just a passing nod to a time when "bicycle revolver" was part of the vernacular!
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: coelacanth on October 02, 2018, 02:59:24 pm
My great grandmother apparently carried on either in her purse on wagon trips or in the pocket of her apron when she was out of sight of the farm house. 
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: Mikee5star on October 02, 2018, 10:24:55 pm
That ad makes me smile every time I see it.  Thanks.
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: RMc on March 05, 2020, 02:54:01 am

Link update:

https://www.guns.com/news/review/gun-review-iver-johnson-safety-automatic-revolver-in-32-sw
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: coelacanth on March 06, 2020, 12:25:28 am
Good article.   :thumbup1
Title: Re: .32 S&W penetration
Post by: RMc on March 08, 2020, 12:34:48 am
"Back in the day" 32S&W #12 shot cartridges were also available:
 :coffee