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1911 Therapy
« on: January 23, 2012, 02:34:24 pm »
So I neeeeeeeed another 1911......It is going to be: Full sized, parkerized with wood grips, large beavertail, flared and lowered ejection port, 3 dot night combat sights, some flare around the mag well, skeletonized trigger, nice checkering,  not too much lettering. Naturally, it also has to be reliable.

No rails. I don't care about memory pad, ambi safety or NIM parts.

So correct me if I am wrong but here is a summary of my options:

Kimber - not any better yet

Sig - Ron Cohen is sending their quality down the toilet just when they started making slides that would fit regular 1911 holsters

Smith and Wesson - I really want one of the eSeries, but the butt is toooo fat, plus the moving extractor pin issue is not going to be fixed till the new eseries come out in March (I was told by their tech support)...hmmm, maybe I should try to wait till March......

Dan Wesson - I blinked and they almost doubled their prices  huh???

Remington and Ruger - Doesn't meet the specs (old look and stainless finish only)

STI and Taurus- Too much lettering on the slides

Nighthawk and Wilson - Wonderful but too much

American Tactical - unknown to me

Leaves Colt and Springfield...So on reputation, I think I would have to go Springfield? or a used Nighthawk?

What do you think?

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    Re: 1911 Therapy
    « Reply #1 on: January 23, 2012, 03:06:39 pm »
    If you aren't set on big names, Rock Island Armory might be an option.  Mine is a basic model, no frills, but they now have some of the options you're looking for.

    The one I have, was pretty accurate out of the box, and has been reliable.
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    Re: 1911 Therapy
    « Reply #2 on: January 23, 2012, 04:54:57 pm »
    I am going to second Rock Island here. We LOVE ours. My husband has had a few over the years and every one of them have been super reliable, run straight out of the box and have no issues. The price is a HUGE selling point for me also.
    I have an Armscor High Standard officers compact that I absolutely adore. (another RIA)
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    Re: 1911 Therapy
    « Reply #3 on: January 23, 2012, 05:44:53 pm »
    I love my RIA as well. You can't go wrong with one of those guns.

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    Re: 1911 Therapy
    « Reply #4 on: January 23, 2012, 06:10:52 pm »
    Not too sure about what you mean by "Not too much lettering" though.

    Every piece I've ever seen has some kind of name or such stamped in the slide, including the Norincos I've run across.
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    Re: 1911 Therapy
    « Reply #5 on: January 23, 2012, 06:12:31 pm »
    Colt is making a concerted effort to get back into the civilian-gun game. You should look at their new lineup.

    Not sure how their CS and warranty work are. Also, re: price- bring your wallet.
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    Re: 1911 Therapy
    « Reply #6 on: January 23, 2012, 07:57:19 pm »
    Not too sure about what you mean by "Not too much lettering" though.

    Every piece I've ever seen has some kind of name or such stamped in the slide, including the Norincos I've run across.

    Hey Freeman1685,
    I mean that what ever is written on the side of the slide, I much prefer it to be low key. STI for example has a giant bold letters saying something like "TROJAN" which I find a bit much. Kimber, for all their issues still has just a low visibility stamping that will say "Custom II" or something like that.

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    Re: 1911 Therapy
    « Reply #7 on: January 23, 2012, 08:03:11 pm »
    I really like my SA Loaded.  No front strap checkering, though I fixed that with American Legend grips.

    Other than that, I believe it describes what you want.  I was disappointed to see that it was Brazilian, but quality does not seem to be affected and (so I'm told and have read) their customer service and warranty are the bomb.

    I liked my RIA and have NO complaints with it, personally.  I have no info on warranty or customer service.
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    Re: 1911 Therapy
    « Reply #8 on: January 23, 2012, 10:38:16 pm »
    I have a 2004 SW1911 (not eSeries), A Colt parts Commander, A Kimber Pro Carry II, and I used to have a Rock Island mid-size (their commander option). I have never had a single issue in function or reliability out of any of the 4. The Colt really doesn't count because I hand fitted  a lot of the parts and it had teething issues that were mostly my fault. The Kimber has a grip bushing problem thanks to the previous owner, which tells me to buy all my alloy 1911's NEW. I HIGHLY recommend Armscor/Rock Island Armory. Great guns for the money.

    FWIW, Buds sells the Para GI 1911 in LTC (their commander) for $550 shipped right now. And the rest of the GI Expert line is close in price. Though you may not care for the lettering.

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    « Reply #9 on: January 23, 2012, 11:55:06 pm »
    The ATI has gotten raves from George, you may want to check out his thread on them. Having handled most of the 1911 on the list, the ATI have a great frame to slide fit at a quarter of the cost of some of the others. My dad just bought an e series and it is seriously sweet, it also cost 4 times as much.
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    Re: 1911 Therapy
    « Reply #10 on: January 24, 2012, 12:10:55 am »
    Ugly or not, nobody has ever shown me anything that could match my STI for the money.

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    « Reply #11 on: January 24, 2012, 12:53:35 am »
    RIA/Armscorp makes a good gun for the money. 

    Colt is making a pretty good product right now (I love mine) and the CS is very good in my experience. 

    The STI Spartan is also an excellent gun for the money.

    Springfield is the standard right now (Sorry Colt, you blew it around 1980) and is always a solid choice.
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    « Reply #12 on: January 24, 2012, 06:36:25 pm »
    A lot of people are posting that the Armscor/Rock Island guns are good guns for the money... I will disagree here.

    They are good guns... period.

    We have 2, used to have 3.
    The only glitch any had, was that Caryn's High Standard Crusader Compact needed a heavier recoil spring.
    For function, my old RIA Match is what I compare any 1911 I shoot to.
    I could load empty casings in among the live rounds and it would feed them.
    And it was WAY more accurate than I am.


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    « Reply #13 on: January 24, 2012, 09:00:45 pm »
    Springfield. I have had three. i will definitely buy more as long as they maintain current standards.
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    Re: 1911 Therapy
    « Reply #14 on: January 25, 2012, 05:04:05 am »
    I love my ATI Commander, but it doesn't meet some of your standards.  The port is most decidedly not lowered, nor flared, and the sights are black on black.  Also, the trigger is solid with grooves.  However, for the cost, you've got money left over to have somebody swap the sights and trigger and work the port.

    As to the quality of the gun itself, though, I gotta agree with Evil One.  The Filipinos are turning out some quality hardware.  Frame to slide fit is as tight and smooth as my Colt, the trigger is almost as good, and will very shortly work itself even in that department.
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    Re: 1911 Therapy
    « Reply #15 on: January 26, 2012, 08:58:03 am »
    Thanks for the good feed back. Very kind of you all to engage in yet another discussion of  "what is a good 1911 for below about $1,000", I know this horse has been thoroughly beaten but I never get enough, plus things change, like Sig's recent absolutely stunning lapses in quality....

    Taking a look at ATI and RIA, found Detonics while looking around but the prices seem high........can't find any info on the new eSeries models due out in March.....

    Thanks again.....

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    Re: 1911 Therapy
    « Reply #16 on: January 26, 2012, 01:01:24 pm »
    I have a Springfield Armory Loaded Stainless that is solid as a rock, and it cost less than $1000.  The only thing I changed was to add a S&A combination magwell / MSH and grip panels.  Very nice, dependable gun.

    I also have a S&W SW1911PD 5", which has the Scandium frame.  This has become a favorite -- very easy to hit with, recoil is mild despite the light weight, and also very dependable.  This gun is just a joy to handle.  Bought it for around $700.

    Finally, I have a custom Colt Combat Commander with top of the line parts.  That one cost me over $1000 though.
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    « Reply #17 on: February 03, 2012, 07:25:30 pm »
    The Springfield Parkerized Loaded sounds like the perfect match to your description.

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    « Reply #18 on: February 03, 2012, 11:29:50 pm »
    To me, it looks like the only thing keeping you from an STI Trojan or Spartan is the lettering on the slide. Wouldn't hold me up, if I were in the market for a 1911. I've shot a friend's Spartan, and the lettering would be an acceptable annoyance. I have an STI Edge, and if I were in the market, I wouldn't hesitate to buy another STI gun. The 2011 models are pricey, but their 1911 offerings are great bang for the buck.

    That's my recommendation. Ignore the lettering. Buy the gun that feels good in the hand and the trigger finger. Put less priority on the minor cosmetics.
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    Re: 1911 Therapy
    « Reply #19 on: February 04, 2012, 12:10:29 am »
    Also... the Spartan is an Armscor gun with STI fire control parts.
    Yup... mostly the same gun as a Rock Island Match.


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    Re: 1911 Therapy
    « Reply #20 on: February 04, 2012, 01:20:47 am »
    That's fair. After a few beers, I forgot that STI didn't actually manufacture their 1911's.

    That said, I know each one is still touched by STI smiths, and like you said, uses STI fire control parts. Once you get a reliable 1911, the only thing that sets it apart from the rest, imho, is the trigger feel. STI does the fire control group really damn well. The rest of the little features can easily be done aftermarket.
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