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Re: "Dangerous predators stopped with handguns."
« Reply #50 on: September 26, 2016, 07:33:19 pm »
Lee has a .45 caliber truncated cone mould that throws a lovely 235 gr. bullet, when cast from wheel weights. I drop them from the mould into a bucket of cold water, and I don't think they'd expand if I shot them into an anvil. Loaded to 900 fps in a steel framed 1911 they seem to work well on hogs.  Not a steady diet kind of load, but for occasional use is not bad.
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    Re: "Dangerous predators stopped with handguns."
    « Reply #51 on: September 26, 2016, 08:45:32 pm »
    Yeah, pretty much.  It doesn't expand much, but it digs a deep hole!  (Back to "shot placement is king, penetration is queen, and anything else is just angels dancing on the head of a pin."  That should have come down off the mountain with Moses, carved on a stone tablet!)
    The Lee 300 gr. WFN bullet for the .45 Colt works a charm in the Ruger-only handloads, ahead of really silly amounts of H-110, and will reach 1200 fps in the 5-1/2" Bisley barrels.  I've shot one of them lengthwise through a hog that weighed over 300 lbs., field dressed.  In through the skull, out just under the "other hole."

    Not trying to claim that it would be the ticket for big bears or stuff like that, but it's comforting to have around in this neck of the woods.
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    Re: "Dangerous predators stopped with handguns."
    « Reply #52 on: May 30, 2019, 02:43:31 am »

    To reopen this timely discussion:

    Winchester has a new 230gr  Flat Nose FMJ for the 45ACP.  Rated at 880 fps.

    https://winchester.com/Products/Ammunition/Handgun/USA-Ready-/RED45






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    Re: "Dangerous predators stopped with handguns."
    « Reply #53 on: May 30, 2019, 10:57:52 am »
    when all else fails, switch to slugs.

    as for meplat? I need to make another flathead slug mold. full wadcutter 12 gauge slugs. .72 inch meplat. 1 and 1/4th ounce at 1330fps.
    I miss it.

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    If you make some - make me some.  I'd like to test those! 

    this reminds me I need to finally need to do this.
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    Re: "Dangerous predators stopped with handguns."
    « Reply #54 on: May 30, 2019, 03:17:23 pm »
    Why, yes.  Yes you do.  And a range report at your convenience would be nice as well.  :cool     That Winchester load looks awfully similar to a Hornady load that was being marketed back in the 1980's.  Good stuff.  I used to run them in my Colt.   :thumbup1
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    Re: "Dangerous predators stopped with handguns."
    « Reply #55 on: May 30, 2019, 07:46:16 pm »
    In the early days of WWI, Germany withdrew the Truncated Cone 9mm from military use. The storied lethal effectiveness of the truncated cone bullet form was reported to be the cause.

    In another "Back To The Future" trend, the 9mm Parabellum in FMJTC form has returned. 

    Witness:

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    « Reply #56 on: May 30, 2019, 08:57:14 pm »
    Apparently a very shallow angle cone without the flat point of the truncated cone design is even more devastating.  I don't remember who but several years back they developed a .45 caliber bullet that used such a point that in cross section was a 30 degree by 30 degree by 120 degree triangle measured across the case mouth.   :hmm
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    Re: "Dangerous predators stopped with handguns."
    « Reply #57 on: May 31, 2019, 03:57:25 am »
    To reopen this timely discussion:

    Winchester has a new 230gr  Flat Nose FMJ for the 45ACP.  Rated at 880 fps.

    https://winchester.com/Products/Ammunition/Handgun/USA-Ready-/RED45


    A very interesting development in the USA Ready line from Winchester.  Ballistics data including velocity and pressure by lot number:

    "Every box of Winchester USA Ready ammunition includes a Lot Number that allows you to quickly and easily find ballistics data — including velocity, pressure and accuracy ratings — related to your box's lot. Start your search by using the Lot Number found on your box."

    https://winchester.com/Products/Ammunition/USA-Ready
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    Re: "Dangerous predators stopped with handguns."
    « Reply #58 on: May 31, 2019, 08:29:18 pm »
     :thumbup1
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    Re: "Dangerous predators stopped with handguns."
    « Reply #59 on: January 05, 2020, 05:26:28 pm »
    Another update on the continuing trend toward FN-FMJ handgun ammo. 

    And with the ever increasing popularity of the 9x19mm, comes the question of how effective this round would be against "dangerous predators?"


    Winchester's Active Duty line of 9mm 115 gr FN-FMJ:


     "...out of a 4.7"-barreled P320-M17, M1152 with the 115-gr. bullet was at 1326 f.p.s. and 449 ft.-lbs. of energy."

    https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2019/4/23/m1152-m1153-the-army-s-new-9-mm-luger-loads/



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    Re: "Dangerous predators stopped with handguns."
    « Reply #60 on: January 05, 2020, 06:55:04 pm »
    Wonder how it compares to that semi jacketed flat point Spanish surplus I bought several years ago.
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    Re: "Dangerous predators stopped with handguns."
    « Reply #61 on: January 05, 2020, 08:29:17 pm »
    Probably penetrates a bit better without the exposed lead tip but other than that I imagine it would be pretty close.  I seem to recall that Spanish ammo was fairly hot - NATO spec stuff I imagine.   :hmm
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    Re: "Dangerous predators stopped with handguns."
    « Reply #62 on: January 05, 2020, 10:30:47 pm »
    Yeah, it was somewhat hot.  I never had any problems feeding it out of my CZ75.    I think I've got a few hundred rounds left.     
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    Re: "Dangerous predators stopped with handguns."
    « Reply #63 on: January 06, 2020, 12:32:31 am »
    Probably penetrates a bit better without the exposed lead tip but other than that I imagine it would be pretty close.  I seem to recall that Spanish ammo was fairly hot - NATO spec stuff I imagine.   :hmm

    Winchester Active Duty 115 gr FN-FMJ is loaded to M1152 mil spec and rated at 1320 fps.

    Most commercial 115 gr 9mm+P+ is listed at 1300 fps.   
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