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Re: "Dangerous predators stopped with handguns."
« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2016, 07:13:17 pm »
The guy who is credited with killing the most brown/grizzly bears in Alaska, I will remember his name at 4am, aimed for the pelvis first.  This anchored them so that he could kill them safely.  IIRC he used a 30.06 for the vast majority of his kills.
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    Re: "Dangerous predators stopped with handguns."
    « Reply #26 on: September 17, 2016, 07:39:08 pm »
    ... Because they cut a wider permanent wound channel.

    Following this line of reasoning, the .40 S&W and the 10mm Auto have a major advantage since all FMJ rounds in these calibers have a large meplat (flat nose).  Due to the large meplat, even the lowest cost .40/10mm FMJ-FN range ammo would be superior to the FMJ-RN configuration of most 9mm and .45ACP "ball" ammo if pressed into a self defense roll - city or backwoods!
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    « Reply #27 on: September 17, 2016, 10:10:19 pm »
    True.
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    « Reply #28 on: September 18, 2016, 01:40:40 am »
    Following this line of reasoning, the .40 S&W and the 10mm Auto have a major advantage since all FMJ rounds in these calibers have a large meplat (flat nose).  Due to the large meplat, even the lowest cost .40/10mm FMJ-FN range ammo would be superior to the FMJ-RN configuration of most 9mm and .45ACP "ball" ammo if pressed into a self defense roll - city or backwoods!

    Which is why I carried a 10mm with WFP cast lead bullet in the heaviest weight I could get, 200-220gr.  Can't remember how much powder was under them, but they were hot.  Way hotter than standard, FBI loading, 180gr factory loading. 
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    « Reply #29 on: September 18, 2016, 06:56:37 pm »
    It's all about the Bullet Shape. 

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    « Reply #30 on: September 18, 2016, 06:59:19 pm »
    Indeed, by the same line of reasoning, a Winchester 1873 rifle in .38-40 loaded with a case full of FFFg and hard cast WFN lead bullets would deliver the same deep/wide wound channel performance as a
    10mm pistol with the same bullets of the same diameter.
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    « Reply #31 on: September 18, 2016, 07:56:13 pm »
    You guys have me wanting a 10mm now. :facepalm

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    « Reply #32 on: September 18, 2016, 11:07:15 pm »
    You guys have me wanting a 10mm now. :facepalm
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    « Reply #33 on: September 18, 2016, 11:41:19 pm »
    He's not allowed to get a 10mm until he gets a K frame or a .357  :neener.

    Hell, it was his fault for starting that thread a few months ago and making me consider one myself. Or was that coelacanth? There are too many bad influences here  :banghead.
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    « Reply #34 on: September 21, 2016, 09:33:46 pm »
    Thanks. I'm a "shotgun with slugs" guy (and I also favor Brenneke slugs) and while that's enough down here in the Smoky Mountains for black bear, wild hogs and human threats, I'd not feel over-gunned either with grizzly bears.
    when all else fails, switch to slugs.

    as for meplat? I need to make another flathead slug mold. full wadcutter 12 gauge slugs. .72 inch meplat. 1 and 1/4th ounce at 1330fps.
    I miss it.

    as for handguns? If I *have* to use a handgun against dangerous game? I'd go with a 1911 in .460 RAM (rowland), or straight .45acp with either Atomic 230 +P+ (230 grains at 1000fps? yes please. I'm considering this as my new carry ammo, seeing as my nickel jacketed stuff has dried up.) or Buffalo bore 255 grain hardcast flat points at 925fps. because I can. (I'm buying a box of each to test when I get my raise. I'll be getting 250 of the atomics if they pass. the 255's are just for fun, and to load in the bottom of a mag to surprise people. I'm already running heavy springs and shockbuffs, so I won't need to retune hopefully. I need to just get a Wolff tuner spring set...)
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    « Reply #35 on: September 22, 2016, 01:00:31 am »
    when all else fails, switch to slugs.

    as for meplat? I need to make another flathead slug mold. full wadcutter 12 gauge slugs. .72 inch meplat. 1 and 1/4th ounce at 1330fps.
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    If you make some - make me some.  I'd like to test those! 
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    « Reply #36 on: September 22, 2016, 12:24:39 pm »
    Sounds like an excuse to visit Charlotte (?)
    To be honest, the originals were super crude, the mold was a 2x2 aluminum block with a 47/64th reamer used to hollow out the hole and a 3/8th bolt running up the bottom to create the hollow base. The mic'd around .69 to .72 and ranged from 1.19 to 1.3 ounces. I'll probably get a real slug mold and have it machined out this time.
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    « Reply #37 on: September 22, 2016, 12:54:33 pm »
    The only way I'd roll into Charlotte right now, would be with the 11th Armored Cavalry.
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    « Reply #38 on: September 22, 2016, 02:36:24 pm »
    The only way I'd roll into Charlotte right now, would be with the 11th Armored Cavalry.

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    « Reply #39 on: September 22, 2016, 03:39:15 pm »
    flashback.   I remember my uncles (both retired as Sgt's with Detroit PD) telling us about being called at home and given their assignments (Detroit 1967).

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    « Reply #40 on: September 22, 2016, 04:10:01 pm »
    My old roommate is there right now.
    Theoretically though George, this'll be in a few months, so either Charlotte will have been burned to the ground, or it'll be over.
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    « Reply #41 on: September 22, 2016, 08:10:42 pm »
    How far away are you from The Troubles?
    Plenty far.  I'm in Fort Mill... so it's a good 20 minutes away or more depending on traffic. 
    Very much not worried.  But reasonable precautions just in case.
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    « Reply #42 on: September 22, 2016, 09:24:18 pm »
    Plenty far.  I'm in Fort Mill... so it's a good 20 minutes away or more depending on traffic. 
    Very much not worried.  But reasonable precautions just in case.


    Good, good. My wife's little cousin is a sophomore at Queen's University but she's safe so far and a good distance from the epicenter. Her dad and I are ready to roll that way to retrieve her but I think the crowds are starting to peter out.
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    ~Chief Warrant Leon McMurdo. Shilo Mountain Rangers, sixth battalion. Mount Hector School of Military tactics. November 8th 3451.

    Yes. When the question is 1911, the answer is "yes". ~HVS

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    « Reply #45 on: September 25, 2016, 01:19:22 pm »
    WIN1911 FMJ-FN 880 fps interesting.  Are we seeing a trend here?


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    « Reply #46 on: September 25, 2016, 03:05:35 pm »
    WIN1911 FMJ-FN 880 fps interesting.  Are we seeing a trend here?


    http://www.winchester.com/library/news/Pages/win1911-ammunition-line.aspx
    good luck finding it. no one where I'm at stocks it anymore. so I'd have to order it.
    and Atomic is actually (marginally) cheaper than the hollowpoints. so yeah. I'm testing Atomic +p's...
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    « Reply #47 on: September 25, 2016, 06:43:39 pm »
    Are we seeing a trend here?

     As in Flat Nose non-expanding bullets available in factory loaded ammuntion for autoloading pistols.
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    « Reply #48 on: September 26, 2016, 02:41:28 pm »
    Hornady used to load a standard pressure, jacketed, flat point 200 grainer in .45 ACP back in the day.  I think I still have a box or two laying around somewhere.   It basically fed just like the 230 gr round nose out of everything I tried it in.   Not sure if they even catalog that one anymore but if I were packing the .45 ACP for big ugly stuff that could hurt you I would definitely consider that load. 
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    « Reply #49 on: September 26, 2016, 04:42:36 pm »
    Lee has a .45 caliber truncated cone mould that throws a lovely 235 gr. bullet, when cast from wheel weights. I drop them from the mould into a bucket of cold water, and I don't think they'd expand if I shot them into an anvil. Loaded to 900 fps in a steel framed 1911 they seem to work well on hogs.  Not a steady diet kind of load, but for occasional use is not bad.
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