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Where does one go or what do they do to learn gunsmithing?
« on: February 13, 2012, 01:44:33 pm »
Aside from joining the service, Where does one go or what do they do to learn gunsmithing?
If a guy wanted to improve himself, or if someone wanted to learn from the best, or if a complete novice wanted to get started in a hobby or even a career in designing, manufacturing, maintaining, repairing, and restoring small personal arms and weapons?
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    « Reply #1 on: February 13, 2012, 02:05:39 pm »
    You're really asking about a lot of different things here.


    Joining the service might get you training as an armorer on a handful of weapons, but more than likely not as a gunsmith.

    To get a career as a small arms designer, you'd probably want to start with a degree in mechanical engineering.

    A novice wanting to get started as a hobby gunsmith would be well served by doing some reading on whatever specifics they wanted to start with: http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/cid=10009/Products/Books-Videos

    Someone wanting to make a more serious step into becoming a professional gunsmith would probably be best off by researching and attending one of the better gunsmithing schools out there.

    Colorado School of Trades
    1575 Hoyt Street
    Lakewood, CO 80215
    Contact: Gary Schlomer
    Phone: 303-233-4697 ext. 42
    Email: gary@schooloftrades.com

    Lassen Community College
    478-200 Hwy 139
    Susanville, CA 96130
    Contact: John Martin or Steve Taylor
    Phone: 530-251-8800
    Email: staylor@lassencollege.edu

    Modern Gun School
    80 North Main Street
    P.O. Box 846
    St. Albans, VT 05478
    Contact: Janie Gregory-Hilliker
    Phone: 800-493-4114
    Email: janieg@dlilearn.com

    Montgomery Community College
    1011 Page Street
    P.O. Box 787
    Troy, NC 27371
    Contact: Wayne Bernauer
    Phone: 910-576-6222 ext. 234
    Email: bernauerw@montgomery.edu

    Murray State College
    One Murray Campus
    Tishomingo, OK 73460
    Contact: Dean Arnold
    Phone: 580-371-2371 ext. 235
    Email: darnold@mscok.edu

    Pennsylvania Gunsmith School
    812 Ohio River Blvd.
    Avalon, PA 15202
    Contact: Bob Thacker
    Phone: 412-766-1812
    Email: bob.thacker@pagunsmith.edu

    Piedmont Technical College
    620 Emerald Rd North
    PO Box 1467
    Greenwood, SC 29646
    Contact: David Berryhill, Gunsmithing Program Coordinator
    Phone: 864-941-8753
    Email: berryhill.d@ptc.edu

    Pine Technical Institute
    900 4th St. S.E.
    Pine City, MN 55063
    Contact: Dave Defenbaugh
    Phone: 320-629-5157
    Email: Defenbaughd@pinetech.edu

    Sonoran Desert Institute
    10245 East Via Linda, Suite 110
    Scottsdale, AZ 85258
    Contact: Toni Pino
    Phone: 480-314-2102 Ext. 201
    Email: info@sonoranlearning.com

    Trinidad State Jr. College
    600 Prospect
    Trinidad, CO 81082
    Contact: Keith Gipson or Dave Nolan
    Phone: 719-846- 5577
    Email: keith.gipson@trinidadstate.edu

    Yavapai College
    1100 East Sheldon Street
    Prescott, AZ 86301
    Contact: Alan Lohr
    Phone: 928-776-2348
    Email: alan_lohr@yc.edu 
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    Re: Where does one go or what do they do to learn gunsmithing?
    « Reply #2 on: February 13, 2012, 03:51:02 pm »
    Trinidad is the oldest and most respected school that I could find from my research, I'll be starting there NRA summer courses shortly.  For the rest of the stuff Jesse is dead on.
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    « Reply #3 on: February 13, 2012, 04:26:23 pm »
    Thanks for the info Jesse. I've been considering gunsmithing after I retire. Troy, NC, and Greenwood, SC, are close enough to buzz back home on the weekends.
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    « Reply #4 on: February 13, 2012, 06:33:27 pm »
    Yes, Thanks Jesse!
    For me, its more the fact that I have been around weapons all my life, I shoot for fun, I am starting to shoot for competition, I am the go-to guy for a lot of my family and friends with their weapon questions. I have a friend that was a master at arms during our navy years, and if I needed something repaired I would take it back to the manufacturer or to him.

    I know my own weapons well enough to have made most of my own modifications, as needed or as desired, but I had someone ask me this weekend "I have a weapon I want re-blued and refinished, and I was given a Garand when my grandpappy died. Who can do this work and who can tell me about the history of this weapon" So I guess the question was really if I could recommend an antique weapons dealer or restoration shop.
    It got me thinking... Where does somebody go to learn that kinda thing...

    Then, where could I go personally to learn to do better than make my own modifications, but to repair and/or customize my own weapons, beyond the standard "build your own AR from these parts" or "I can order the Glock parks for that 10-second plastic replacement"

    Again, Thanks Jesse!
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    « Reply #5 on: February 13, 2012, 06:42:20 pm »
    I've been very slowly teaching myself and learning from people I know.

    You start with basic tools, like those used for building AR-15's. Then you find a job that requires removal of metal. So you grab the dremel. Shortly afterwards, you log onto Brownell's and order a replacement part or two and a set of stones. A few weeks later, you repeat, and work a little slower, and get much more positive work done before once again logging onto Brownell's and, this time, ordering three of the part.

    After a few months of this, you have successfully done what you wanted to do, and have a huge pile of worthless parts, but realize that in order to get that trigger juuussst right you need to replace a different part. This time you work slowly from the beginning, but after an hour trying to fit a trigger with very fine stones, you get bored and break out the Dremel.... Repeat the first paragraph.
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    « Reply #6 on: February 13, 2012, 06:53:01 pm »
    I've been very slowly teaching myself and learning from people I know.

    You start with basic tools, like those used for building AR-15's. Then you find a job that requires removal of metal. So you grab the dremel. Shortly afterwards, you log onto Brownell's and order a replacement part or two and a set of stones. A few weeks later, you repeat, and work a little slower, and get much more positive work done before once again logging onto Brownell's and, this time, ordering three of the part.

    After a few months of this, you have successfully done what you wanted to do, and have a huge pile of worthless parts, but realize that in order to get that trigger juuussst right you need to replace a different part. This time you work slowly from the beginning, but after an hour trying to fit a trigger with very fine stones, you get bored and break out the Dremel.... Repeat the first paragraph.

    I've been doing much, MUCH better work since my dremel broke...
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    « Reply #7 on: February 13, 2012, 10:09:28 pm »
    I was incredibly fortunate to have a grandfather who was a professional gunsmith. I spent many hours in his shop as a kid picking up what I could. He later sold the business but he kept the equipment and tooling, which I've inherited since he passed away.

    I didn't learn near enough as a kid to be a competent gunsmith, but having all the tooling and library of gunsmithing books along with a number of unfinished projects has given me a bit of a leg up in edjamacating myself.
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    « Reply #8 on: February 14, 2012, 06:13:47 pm »
    I went through Yavapai College and learned enough to get me started. Learned a lot more on the job and from hanging out with Fred Wells and asking him questions. There is no substitue for hands on experience with an expert guiding you. There isn't much of a living to be made anymore as a general gunsmith, but a specialist in the right area who does good work and gets a good reputation will be able to make a living.

    As for design and manufacturing, that is a whole different world and the skills needed are mostly the same as for designing and manufacturing any other mechanical device. No one person does it all in a manufacturing situation, are you going to be a designer, engineer, machinist, manager? Pick a field and train accordingly.

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    « Reply #9 on: February 14, 2012, 10:27:09 pm »
    I've been doing much, MUCH better work since my dremel broke...
     :neener

    The guy teaching my AR armorer class said Dremels ought to require a background check, fingerprinting, a Class 3 tax stamp and a 1 year waiting period and that if any of us were carrying Dremels concealed in ankle holsters, we needed to take them back out to the car or get kicked out of class.  :P
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    « Reply #10 on: February 14, 2012, 10:33:31 pm »
    I don't understand anti-Dremel elitists and Fudds who think abrasives should only be applied slowly, by hand. :banghead
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    « Reply #11 on: February 15, 2012, 02:18:12 am »
    I don't understand anti-Dremel elitists and Fudds who think abrasives should only be applied slowly, by hand. :banghead

    I do. It doesnt take much of a slip to mark up a receiver really bad, and even less of one to make a sear unusable. I think that after the 10th or 20th time someone brings you something to fix after they "tried to do it themselves" that the attitude can develop.

    Dremels have their place and are an indespencible tool, but when used in the wrong hands they create more problems than they fix.
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    « Reply #12 on: February 15, 2012, 09:28:27 am »
    Dunno if it constitutes gunsmithing, but I'm in the middle of my first AR project and successfully installed the trigger guard without breaking the ears off the receiver. Can't wait to assemble the upper.
    Some people call the midwest the heartland, I prefer to think of it as the liver. Not too interesting, and easy to ignore until it quits working.

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    « Reply #13 on: February 15, 2012, 10:52:08 pm »
    I do. It doesnt take much of a slip to mark up a receiver really bad, and even less of one to make a sear unusable. I think that after the 10th or 20th time someone brings you something to fix after they "tried to do it themselves" that the attitude can develop.

    Dremels have their place and are an indespencible tool, but when used in the wrong hands they create more problems than they fix.

    I was joking around... :coffee

    Dunno if it constitutes gunsmithing, but I'm in the middle of my first AR project and successfully installed the trigger guard without breaking the ears off the receiver. Can't wait to assemble the upper.

     :thumbup1
    That's how a lot of folks start out. That's where I started meddling with the innerds of guns. It's a fairly plug-n-play way of learning how the hidden mechanics of a firearm work. Many of the same principles translate to other firearms. At least to me, they do.

    Revolvers, however, operate on PFM as far as I can tell.
    « Last Edit: February 15, 2012, 11:03:12 pm by Outbreak »
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