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Title: Sig 226 Magazine Baseplate Extension Project
Post by: Harm on August 03, 2013, 06:26:05 pm
So I have the Magwell grips on my 226, and they are AWESOME.  They feel so good in the hand.  They are fantastic.  Of course the downside is that I have 15/18rd magazines but no 20's that they are designed for.  There was a suggestion some months back to get a section of rubber from Home Depot and cut them to fit the base of the magazines and attach them.  But the question is - how.  Glue?  Double sided tape?  Thoughts?
Title: Re: Magazine Question
Post by: JesseL on August 03, 2013, 06:34:46 pm
Contact cement would work well I think.
Title: Re: Magazine Question
Post by: Harm on August 03, 2013, 06:36:23 pm
Contact Cement as in Rubber Cement?  hmmm.  Ok - I'm off to Home Depot! 
Title: Re: Magazine Question
Post by: JesseL on August 03, 2013, 06:39:35 pm
They aren't the same. Contact cement is tougher and applies differently.  Read the instructions.
Title: Re: Magazine Question
Post by: Harm on August 03, 2013, 06:45:19 pm
well I 'm sure if I ask they'll know what I need.  Then I just need a drill bit to punch a hole through it to be able to disassemble a magazine. 
Title: Re: Magazine Question
Post by: luke213(adamsholsters) on August 03, 2013, 07:39:08 pm
Yep contact adhesive should do well probably looking at weldwood brand and don't buy the "green" crap get the stuff with all the harmful chemicals it holds much better.

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Title: Re: Magazine Question
Post by: Mikee5star on August 04, 2013, 02:11:40 am
Good contact adhesive requires a respirator with organic vapor cartridges when you use it.  Have a well ventilated area or you will get everyone high in a good area.  Also the name says it all, once it contacts it is done if you followed the directions.  You might need to go to a cabinet/counter top shop/supplier to find the real stuff.  A lot of places won't carry it due to the hazards.  If you need to redo you need a hot solvent so might have to just replace the whole thing.   
Title: Re: Magazine Question
Post by: Harm on August 04, 2013, 01:55:20 pm
Would you believe the hardest thing to find was the base rubber-ish material?  Jeez.  Ended up w recycled rubber patio tile. 

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Title: Re: Magazine Question
Post by: Harm on August 05, 2013, 11:57:53 pm

AKA how Harm Modified 226 Magazines

 I have the Mag well grips on my 226.  Which I love.  They are so comfortable.  But regular magazines are less speedy in reloads because they don't readily seat flush. 

So on Sigforum a while back.  Some one suggested making bumpers.  So after visiting Ace/Home Depot & True Value I realized rubber in any size is stupid hard to find. 

At Home Depot found recycled rubber tiles and for the mass I needed they appeared to be the cheapest beat solution.  Next time I'm buying the damn Martha Stewart door mats.  Sister & more malleable.  Jeez. 

Anyways I asked the Adhesives guy at home depot for ideas and he suggested liquid silicon nails for heat resistance since I live in Arizona and to adhere to the rubber. 

I got a 1/8" drill bit to drill an access hole for the baseplate pin.  While its the right size for the pin and as a pilot hole, when I do this again I'm leaning towards a 3/8" hole in case it doesn't cut cleanly. 

I used a razorblade to cut & shape the rubber.  While this worked a dremel tool (gasp yes a dremel) would definitely be easier to shape them better. 

I just used the baseplates as a template in cutting out the rubber.  Again this was easy enough but the right bit on an electric cutter would be so much easier. 

Lining up the baseplate pin holes & drill.  Bam. 

Liquid nails are a pain.  They dry quickly and the funnel is a pain.  But it dries quickly so its not so much of a pain as other glues. 

Reattaching the baseplates becomes a bit more difficult but that's really not a big deal, just an observation. 

Otherwise I'm pleased w the results and hope to use them in competition soon.

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Title: Re: Magazine Question
Post by: Mikee5star on August 06, 2013, 12:17:35 am
Looks good.  The interlocking rubber floor mats might work good as well.  They come in a variety of colors if you want as well.
Title: Re: Magazine Question
Post by: Outbreak on August 06, 2013, 03:22:39 am
Those will drop free faster, too. Faster on both ends of the reload. I've seen guys pay stupid amounts of money for base-pads or extensions made out of brass so the mags will drop faster. You just did it quick, dirty, and cheap. Nice work!
Title: Re: Magazine Question
Post by: Harm on August 06, 2013, 10:17:58 am
Thanks man.  I need to get some competition mag pouches and I'm ready to go back to Thursday night Steel matches.

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Title: Re: Sig 226 Magazine Baseplate Extension Project
Post by: Outbreak on August 06, 2013, 02:53:53 pm
I like the CRSpeed pouches. Adjustable in pretty much every axis, and they come with a variety of spacers so you can use them for single stack or big fat double stacks. Pretty good value there.
Title: Re: Sig 226 Magazine Baseplate Extension Project
Post by: Harm on August 06, 2013, 03:28:53 pm
I'll look into it - thx

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Title: Re: Sig 226 Magazine Baseplate Extension Project
Post by: Doug Wojtowicz on August 06, 2013, 09:42:13 pm
Loved looking at these on FB.  Really cool how-to here, though.
Title: Re: Sig 226 Magazine Baseplate Extension Project
Post by: Harm on August 09, 2013, 11:51:08 pm
Tonight I took the next step and bought a bottle of PLASTI DIP in Black.  Figured it'd be a good way to smooth out the texture.  First thought, it does have a cool look to it.  Its a very narrow bottle so its a little difficult to make sure you dip up to the exact line.  Second - DO NOT drip this stuff on anything you want to keep.  :bash :facepalm  That goes doubly when you try and hang them per the instructions and the twine you are using breaks loose and falls on your pants.   :whistle

I'll get pics up tomorrow most likely - but it was a fun way to do more than just HAVE the base plate bumper pads, but also at least make them look nice as well.  I'm sorry but my 226 I'm pairing them with is damn sexy - I wanted the mags/bumpers to not detract from that. 
Title: Re: Sig 226 Magazine Baseplate Extension Project
Post by: strangelittleman on August 10, 2013, 12:13:04 am
HAHAHAHAA!!!!! Dammit Man, that's funny! Sounds like you've got a fun project going there, messy, but fun and bearing good fruit!!
Title: Re: Sig 226 Magazine Baseplate Extension Project
Post by: Harm on August 10, 2013, 12:38:37 am
A little texture but otherwise much smoother than just the named rubber.

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Title: Re: Sig 226 Magazine Baseplate Extension Project
Post by: strangelittleman on August 10, 2013, 12:40:33 am
Show a pic of it in the 226!
Title: Re: Sig 226 Magazine Baseplate Extension Project
Post by: Harm on August 10, 2013, 12:45:54 am
Not until they cure - but I'll get one of those for sure tomorrow

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Title: Re: Sig 226 Magazine Baseplate Extension Project
Post by: Outbreak on August 10, 2013, 03:26:51 am
Did you do any finish sanding on the base pads before you dipped them? What is the texture of the plasti-dip? I've never heard of it.
Title: Re: Sig 226 Magazine Baseplate Extension Project
Post by: Harm on August 10, 2013, 09:06:11 am
The material I use for the pads itself is a grainy composite as its recycled rubber.  The texture of the dip is very smooth as its designed to replace or resurface tool handles.  I experimented a little bit with trimming & sanding but I think more than sanding my next attempt will be cut w a dremel blade for cleaner edges. 

All in all thought I'm satisfied. I've put as much $ into this project as ONE extended baseplate.  And I have the material to do a few dozen more.

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Title: Re: Sig 226 Magazine Baseplate Extension Project
Post by: Harm on August 10, 2013, 09:24:22 pm
I am very pleased with the finished results.

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Title: Re: Sig 226 Magazine Baseplate Extension Project
Post by: strangelittleman on August 11, 2013, 12:02:26 am
Excellent job!
Title: Re: Sig 226 Magazine Baseplate Extension Project
Post by: Harm on August 11, 2013, 12:04:37 am
Yes I'm quite pleased.  I think if I cut & trim the base rubber with a motorized cutter would offer a cleaner & smoother cut.  But otherwise, I'm stoked. 

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Title: Re: Sig 226 Magazine Baseplate Extension Project
Post by: bignate88 on August 11, 2013, 12:53:53 am
Have you thought of trying a hacksaw?

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Title: Re: Sig 226 Magazine Baseplate Extension Project
Post by: Harm on August 11, 2013, 01:24:41 am
A hacksaw would appear to be a bit large for a project like this.  I shade no problem cutting the basic sizes w a razor knife. 

But shaping it would be easier w a cutting disk on a dremel or some such. 

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Title: Re: Sig 226 Magazine Baseplate Extension Project
Post by: Outbreak on August 12, 2013, 02:22:19 pm
Hot wire cutter would be pretty clean.
Title: Re: Sig 226 Magazine Baseplate Extension Project
Post by: JesseL on August 12, 2013, 02:28:15 pm
Hot wire cutter would be pretty clean.

On rubber? I'm thinking it would be a gooey mess  :shrug

I'd go with a belt or disc sander.
Title: Re: Sig 226 Magazine Baseplate Extension Project
Post by: Outbreak on August 12, 2013, 02:44:46 pm
Works on foam. :shrug

Maybe a band saw?
Title: Re: Sig 226 Magazine Baseplate Extension Project
Post by: JesseL on August 12, 2013, 03:51:26 pm
Foam is mostly air. When it melts the little bubbles collapse and it shrinks away from the hot wire. Anything denser just melts.

For shaping things like rubber recoil pads a disc sander is the usual tool. It does a nice and smooth job.
Title: Re: Sig 226 Magazine Baseplate Extension Project
Post by: Harm on August 12, 2013, 04:45:16 pm
I was actually contemplating a band saw.

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