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why is this happening?
« on: August 19, 2012, 10:28:20 pm »


I never thought what I heard and was told a couple years back was tru until I saw this.

I was told/heard on line and tv that if one doesn't agree with or bad mouths the US Gov. In ANY way what so ever Your a terrorists automaticly.

Has anyone else heard of such a thing?

Was the reason I put what I did in my Sig.
« Last Edit: August 19, 2012, 11:48:55 pm by Oregon_patriot »
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    « Reply #1 on: August 20, 2012, 12:28:52 am »
    Well.......this is scary.....
    But I wonder if/when "the other shoe will drop."
    What ISN'T being told.
    I get the mother's point of view.   Maybe she IS right.
    OTOH I am sure that Jack the Ripper's mother loved him too and would never admit what he'd done.

    This guy was suspicious of government and his belief the govt. "lies" made him a "terrorist" ---- or were regarded as "terroristic threats??"   :panic

    If I take this at face value we're in deeper kimshee than I thought.....
    but should it be taken at face value???? :shocked :confused :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
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    « Reply #2 on: August 20, 2012, 12:41:32 am »
    If everyone who said something mean on the internet about the US government was a terrorist then half the world would be dead and the other half would be in jail.

    He was involuntarily committed to a psychiatric facility, and he has a hearing before a judge in the morning.

    Frothy radio host is frothy.

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    « Reply #3 on: August 20, 2012, 12:45:54 am »
    We'll see Feud ..... we'll see.   I remain interested in what wasn't reported ......
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    « Reply #4 on: August 20, 2012, 12:49:59 am »
    Well, evidently he is under 'evaluation' at a hospital.

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    « Reply #5 on: August 20, 2012, 02:16:16 pm »
     Facebook is the Department of PreCrime http://libertycrier.com/u-s-constitution/its-official-facebook-is-the-department-of-precrime/

    I don't know how accurate this article is but it contains a description of what this kid said that got him in hot water.

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    Facebook is the Department of PreCrime http://libertycrier.com/u-s-constitution/its-official-facebook-is-the-department-of-precrime/

    I don't know how accurate this article is but it contains a description of what this kid said that got him in hot water.

     News has just broken about a freedom activist and former Marine named Brandon Raub, who was arrested (apparently without a warrant or being read his rights) on the evening of August 16 th . Details are still coming in, but it appears that his “crime” was posting things that the overseers didn’t like on Facebook.

    As I recount the facts of this horrifying case (as best I am able), please remember that the violation of this man’s natural rights is not the issue I wish to point out, as ultra-valid as that may be.

    WHAT HE DID

    From the above link, you can find five articles from Brandon on a pro-liberty website. Perhaps we might quibble with these posts on a few points (I’m for abandoning politics rather than trying to use it, for example), but it is clear that the young man is thinking along some good lines.

    He also promoted a small freedom march in Richmond, Virginia last November. It was peaceful and I’ve seen no problems reported. So, aside from a picture of him holding an old rifle, the only thing the overseers had on him were a few recent Facebook posts:

    1. I feel like I am standing at a great crossroads. As if a storm of destiny is about to pick me up and take me to fight a great battle. A battle I could have never imagined existed. 7/24/12 2. We MUST rise up and take our country back. 7/30/12 3. I am standing against a great evil. I will do it all by myself if I have to. 8/4/12 4. This is the part where I tell the Federal Government to go fluff itself. This is the part where I tell Generals, training our young men to fight Americans, I am coming for you. The Veterans will be with me. 8/9/12 5. I’m starting the Revolution. I’m done waiting. 8/10/12 6. Sharpen up my axe; I’m here to sever heads. 8/13/12 7. The Revolution will come for me. Men will be at my door soon to pick me up to lead it. 8/14/12 8. The Revolution is here. And I will lead it. 8/14/12

    #6, by the way, seems to be a lyric from a song called Bring Me Down by a band called Swollen Members. Several of these sound like rants a lot of us have had in moments of frustration.

    THE POINT

    I expect further facts to emerge about Brandon and what has been done to him, and I expect to see some creative statist media spin. Regardless of whatever facts emerge, I suspect that high law enforcers will get the talking heads to reassure the public that this was done to keep them safe. The obedient onlookers will be given a reason to ignore the story.

    The point I want you to get is that Facebook is the Department of PreCrime. Everything you do there (or your friends, family or co-workers do there) is monitored and may be taken as a valid reason for armed men to grab you and lock you up.

    In order to respond within in a day or two of a post, an entire infrastructure, including both computing power and manpower, had to be in place. The overseers are not going to abandon this infrastructure.

    Some of us have warned about this previously,but this is the first time the results have been seen in public.

    There is one fact that I left out above: Brandon was NOT taken to a jail –he was taken to a mental hospital. That is also a big deal. Forced committal is a very nasty tactic that was used regularly in the USSR and the other communist slave states. By declaring someone who opposes the state insane, you can disappear them, while assuring the want-to-believe public that you are benevolent and just.

    The bottom line is that Brandon didn’t actually DO anything. A friend of Brandon’s explained this well:

    I served alongside Brandon both in Iraq and in Afghanistan. He was in my combat engineer platoon in Iraq in 2006 and in Afghanistan 2011

    Brandon was the man who opened my eyes to the slow hemorrhaging of civil rights in America and the extreme and purposeful devaluation of the dollar.

    Whether you agree with his method or mode of expressing himself is erroneous. He has broken no laws and hurt no one.

    What Brandon did do, was to type certain words into the Bureau of PreCrime’s servers, aka, Facebook. For this, he was promptly picked up by a swarm of law enforcers, including the FBI, Secret Service, and county police.

    Facebook is the Department of PreCrime, and the rest of the Internet is following. You had better start taking that seriously.

    And please don’t expect this situation to be reformed. Since 9-11, law enforcement on all levels has been publicly worshipped beyond measure. Aside from reality shows and sports, television has effectively become Cop Worship Theater. Their arrogance and their power will not go away for a long time.

    Face this or don’t. It’s your life.
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    « Reply #7 on: August 20, 2012, 03:09:54 pm »
    Musashi works for the Chesterfield County PD. He has more to add, but I'll let him do that. But basically they're painting him as a hero and really he's a crazy guy who threatened the president. The FBI and Secret Service did the arrest, not the PD.
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    « Reply #8 on: August 20, 2012, 03:23:29 pm »
    You can kinda figure that if you do a quick google search and read what he actually wrote online. Not exactly captain stable mind up in here! 

    Its still pretty creepy that you can get arrested for just sayin stuff.

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    « Reply #9 on: August 20, 2012, 05:44:10 pm »
    So what if he's just over what the gov is doing and spoke his mind?

    I think part of what he is saying is true tho,we as a people have lost our country to government and big balling bank owners like the wee group that owns the fed reserve.

    What do we do? Just roll over and take it?

    The documentry "freedom to fascism" makes me feel as we are already fudged and there is nothing we can do to re-gain what has been lost and twisted over the many years since the USA was born.

    It's very confusing when the only way we can do anything is speak up and take action but its been implied that if you disagree with them we are terrorist?
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    « Reply #10 on: August 20, 2012, 07:53:02 pm »
    It's very confusing when the only way we can do anything is speak up and take action but its been implied that if you disagree with them we are terrorist?

    Almost everyone I know has publicly disagreed with the government.  Many of them have done so on facebook.  None have been arrested, or to my knowledge, investigated. 

    You know what gets you locked up?  Making public threats, and being crazy.

    This video sums up the matter pretty nicely:



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    « Reply #11 on: August 20, 2012, 09:31:50 pm »
    Just remember that the big .gov has all the abilities to make anything up it wants.
    Say anything it wants.
    Prosecute anyone it wants.
    And make sure you are on diesel therapy the rest of your days.
    You will never be heard from again.
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    « Reply #12 on: August 20, 2012, 09:41:56 pm »
    Of all the people out there who are obnoxious to the supposed "big .gov", if this is their abuse of power, locking up an obscure person for completely ineffectual dissent on facebook, then have no fear: big brother is clueless.

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    « Reply #13 on: August 20, 2012, 10:54:13 pm »
    And they are clueless.....
    Very tru dat!
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    « Reply #14 on: August 21, 2012, 04:24:11 pm »
    Gentlemen.  I work for Chesterfield PD.  I've been involved in the case, so there's little I can give in the way of specifics.  What I can say is don't jump to conclusions.  There is a reason he was put in a mental hospital, and then court ordered to be evaluated for 30 more days.  This guy is crazy.  His family is crazy.  Brandon is NOT the Libertarian poster child you've been looking for.  He is not a hero to be put on the pedastal of martyrdom.  He's just a crazy guy that made some very explicit threats against some people and organizations.  I'm sorry I can't get specific, but trust me, everything was done to procedure, the arrrest was good and for good reason.
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    « Reply #15 on: August 21, 2012, 04:46:45 pm »
    Gentlemen.  I work for Chesterfield PD.  I've been involved in the case, so there's little I can give in the way of specifics.  What I can say is don't jump to conclusions.  There is a reason he was put in a mental hospital, and then court ordered to be evaluated for 30 more days.  This guy is crazy.  His family is crazy.  Brandon is NOT the Libertarian poster child you've been looking for.  He is not a hero to be put on the pedastal of martyrdom.  He's just a crazy guy that made some very explicit threats against some people and organizations.  I'm sorry I can't get specific, but trust me, everything was done to procedure, the arrrest was good and for good reason.

    Sooo procedure is cuffs and no read rights? 

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    « Reply #16 on: August 21, 2012, 04:53:10 pm »
    Sooo procedure is cuffs and no read rights? 

     :eh

    The police aren't required to read people a Miranda warning when placing them under arrest. It's only about preserving the admissibility of anything they might say in an interrogation. When someone is being committed for a mental health evaluation, I think it would be a bit of a non sequitur

    Handcuffs are just good sense when dealing with someone who's been making threats.
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    « Reply #17 on: August 21, 2012, 05:29:59 pm »
    :eh

    The police aren't required to read people a Miranda warning when placing them under arrest. It's only about preserving the admissibility of anything they might say in an interrogation. When someone is being committed for a mental health evaluation, I think it would be a bit of a non sequitur

    Handcuffs are just good sense when dealing with someone who's been making threats.

     Anyone who has watched a television show about law enforcement has a heard a police officer read the suspect his or her Miranda Rights. After placing the suspect under arrest, the officer will say something similar to, “You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have a right to an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you.”

    The wording of the Miranda rights may vary from the statement above, as long as they fully convey the message. The officer must also ensure that the suspect understands his or her rights. Should the suspect not speak English, these rights must be translated to make sure they are understood.

    Miranda Rights were created in 1966 as a result of the United States Supreme Court case of Miranda v. Arizona. The Miranda warning is intended to protect the suspect’s Fifth Amendment right to refuse to answer self-incriminating questions.

    It is important to note that Miranda rights do not go into effect until after an arrest is made. The officer is free to ask questions before an arrest, but must inform the suspect that the questioning is voluntary and that he or she is free to leave at any time. The answers to these questions are admissible in court.

    If the suspect is placed under arrest and not read Miranda rights, spontaneous or voluntary statements may be used in evidence in court. For example, if the suspect starts using excuses justifying why he or she committed a crime these statements can be used at trial.

    Silence can be used against the suspect if it occurs before he or she is read the Miranda rights. For example, an innocent person would proclaim his or her evidence or try to give an alibi rather than staying quiet. The prosecution will try to use the suspect’s silence against him or her in court.

    If you are being investigated for a crime and wish to remain silent before being Mirandized, you can inform the officer that your attorney told you to never speak to law enforcement without talking to him or her first. This looks less suspicious than simply refusing to answer questions.

    That makes it sound like its supost to be said at some point after the arrest? Not just not at all.
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    « Reply #18 on: August 21, 2012, 05:38:23 pm »
    Who says they didn't read them their rights? The crazy people who hate cops? Hmmm...
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    « Reply #19 on: August 21, 2012, 05:57:51 pm »
    Who says they didn't read them their rights? The crazy people who hate cops? Hmmm...

    I'll tell you now not everybody who hates cops are crazy and not every cop is clean or not on some sort of a power trip.

    I've fallen victim a couple times,been thrown in cuffs and into the back of a cop car because they were looking for Hispanic suspects. Now I'm as white as they come,Orange beard,6'4" and frekels all over and did I mention very not Hispanic nor was my friend they actually roughed up into the car because he was trying to tell em were not Mexican and they have the completely wrong people. No rights were read nor was a apology issued for our inconvenience as we were just standing in the front yard eating bbq.

    Hell my brother was pulled over walking on the sidewalk because they said they thought he was the  black suspect they were looking for in signal hill,he's white too!

    My point is not all people who are weary of leo are crazy just like not all Leo are honest.

    I personally support law enforcement as long as its honest and not shady to meet some quotas like a car dealership.

    I've never met as kind of leos as I have here in Oregon,they actually wave in a friendly manner.

    After living here for a while and getting used to nice officers,I went back down to longbeach cali and was at my grandmas for my gramps funeral,I was a cop drive by and I waved to him and he glared very mean like and drove by a couple times after that as if I was suspicious. I was dressed nice and it was apparent there was a wake going on.
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    « Reply #20 on: August 21, 2012, 06:14:28 pm »
    Anyone who has watched a television show about law enforcement has a heard a police officer read the suspect his or her Miranda Rights. After placing the suspect under arrest, the officer will say something similar to, “You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have a right to an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you.”

    You really shouldn't get your legal info from television.

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    That makes it sound like its supost to be said at some point after the arrest? Not just not at all.

    A Miranda warning is supposed to be given before an arrestee is interrogated. If no interrogation is made, no warning needs to be given.

    At the very most, not giving a Miranda warning means that what the arrestee tells the police in answer to their questions becomes inadmissible in their trial. It's not a get out of jail free card and it's not something the police can be successfully sued over.
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    « Reply #21 on: August 21, 2012, 06:17:49 pm »
    I have arrested plenty of people without reading them their rights. I was usually serving a warrant and had absolutely no questions for the offender.
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    « Reply #22 on: August 21, 2012, 06:19:43 pm »
    That's just what Google brought up,so any law enforcement on tv is false? All those years of watching cops to learn the law was a waste,darnit.

    I also wanted to put out there that I'm in no way trying to be a Dick nor am I trying to insult anyone here.

    I joined to learn,I was really excited to learn a lot of folks on here are military and Leo so I can learn from the horses mouth and not just hear stuff from the grapevine.

    I have thought of aspiring to become a officer of the law because it gets under my skin to see so many aholes that deserve to be behind bars but there's no one to catch em,I also wanted to at least learn the laws so I know and can educate people I talk to.
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    « Reply #23 on: August 21, 2012, 08:24:26 pm »
    As stated before by others on this site, you do not have to read miranda rights before an arrest.  And yes all those years watching TV to learn law was a waste.  Thats like watching action movies to learn gun safety. 
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    « Reply #24 on: August 21, 2012, 09:19:09 pm »
    But, nothing is said about you just exercising your right to keep you mouth shut.
    After that the point is moot.
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