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Re: What did you do this weekend?
« Reply #75 on: July 07, 2017, 05:39:01 pm »
:shrug  I know zilch about bees. I mean, I can tell the difference between a Bumble Bee, a not-Bumble Bee, and a Wasp/Yellow Jacket/Hornet, but that's it.
For reference, carpenter bees look remarkably like bumblebees.  They are huge, slow moving, and fun to bat at with tennis rackets.  >:D

Mama and Papa Raptor assumed they were Carpenter Bees because they'd moved into the wall rather than build a hive outside the house. The exterminator (who deals exclusively with bees) ID'd them as Honey Bees.
Okay, no, carpenter bees bore individual holes into the underside of wood eaves or siding.  There is no combined colony, just individual nests.  This is why  was curious what an infestation looked like.  We have them by the hundreds every year, as our house is cedar logs.  There is no good way to stop them from boring their nests.

Honey bees are tiny, and generally unaggressive.  (Especially when they are in the process of moving to a new hive location, as they have nothing to defend.)  Still, they do sting occasionally, so not something I would want in my house.  Of course, we have 20 hives about 100 feet from the house, so they aren't that bad if you are not allergic.
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    Re: What did you do this weekend?
    « Reply #76 on: July 07, 2017, 05:41:04 pm »
    :shrug  I know zilch about bees. I mean, I can tell the difference between a Bumble Bee, a not-Bumble Bee, and a Wasp/Yellow Jacket/Hornet, but that's it. Mama and Papa Raptor assumed they were Carpenter Bees because they'd moved into the wall rather than build a hive outside the house. The exterminator (who deals exclusively with bees) ID'd them as Honey Bees.

    It's ok, Raptor. Maybe Kaso can't forgive you for not being able to know the species and genus of individual bees, but I'm sure after much effort and gritting of teeth the rest of the forum will let it slide  :rotfl.
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    « Reply #77 on: July 07, 2017, 05:56:07 pm »
    It's ok, Raptor. Maybe Kaso can't forgive you for not being able to know the species and genus of individual bees, but I'm sure after much effort and gritting of teeth the rest of the forum will let it slide  :rotfl.
    As one who lives around both kinds every day, I sometimes have trouble remembering that others are recent transplants from sterile suburbia.  :neener

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    « Reply #78 on: July 07, 2017, 10:08:20 pm »
    Actually, bumble bees are smaller, more colorful and way more aggressive than carpenter bees.  If the "honey bees" in question are either the African variety or a hybrid of them they can be very aggressive once a hive is established.  Again, if you have a local apiary they may remove the bees for you at no charge just to have another colony at no appreciable cost.   :shrug
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    « Reply #79 on: July 07, 2017, 10:11:16 pm »
    Yeah, I know.  We do that too.  Just not from inside people's houses.  Too much liability.

    And Africanized honeybees are not a concern this far north.

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    « Reply #80 on: July 07, 2017, 10:32:30 pm »
     :thumbup1  Got it.  They are pretty prevalent in this area. 
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    « Reply #81 on: July 08, 2017, 12:26:31 am »

     Okay, no, carpenter bees bore individual holes into the underside of wood eaves or siding.  There is no combined colony, just individual nests.  This is why  was curious what an infestation looked like.  We have them by the hundreds every year, as our house is cedar logs.  There is no good way to stop them from boring their nests.

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    « Reply #82 on: July 08, 2017, 09:32:32 pm »
    I've lived most of my life with carpenter bees and worked in close proximity to their nests on many occasions.  I have yet to have one sting me or even try to as far as I can tell.  Kill them if you must but they are probably the least objectionable insect on the planet IMO and ought to be left alone if possible. 
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    « Reply #83 on: July 08, 2017, 10:33:13 pm »
    We rarely have carpenter bees here in mid OK, and I have never seen one in west OK where I grew up.

    There are a few in east OK, but I have never even had one attempt to sting.

    Hybrid honey bees are a whole different story. There are a ton running around all over OK, and they will sting for no real apparent reason at all.

    The biggest surprise I see fairly often for new biologists working for us is the truly awesome experience of the ole scorpion/spider/bull ant in the boot. They never learned the lesson to dump those boots in the morning before jabbing your feet in them. Usually one experience makes a lasting impression. 
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    « Reply #84 on: July 08, 2017, 10:56:31 pm »
    We rarely have carpenter bees here in mid OK, and I have never seen one in west OK where I grew up.

    There are a few in east OK, but I have never even had one attempt to sting.

    Hybrid honey bees are a whole different story. There are a ton running around all over OK, and they will sting for no real apparent reason at all.

    The biggest surprise I see fairly often for new biologists working for us is the truly awesome experience of the ole scorpion/spider/bull ant in the boot. They never learned the lesson to dump those boots in the morning before jabbing your feet in them. Usually one experience makes a lasting impression.

    Out of curiosity, what is the biologist protocol for a scorpion sting? My texts don't seem to agree at all, but they seem to tell us nausea and pain in adults and then for paediatric patients 2 or less, they can be fatal.

    I don't think that Texas has any particularly bad ass scorpions or anything  :shrug.
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    « Reply #85 on: July 08, 2017, 11:18:44 pm »
    Who doesn't empty their boots before putting their feet in?  Doesn't everyone do that?  :scrutiny

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    « Reply #86 on: July 08, 2017, 11:33:26 pm »
    Yup.  It should go without saying but apparently a lot of folks didn't get the memo.  Saw a guy once who tried to get his foot to coexist inside a boot with a centipede.  The centipede wasn't having any of it and was able to convince they guy that it was a bad idea in fairly short order.  It was an interesting dance to watch, though.   :panic
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    « Reply #87 on: July 09, 2017, 12:03:19 am »
    I don't empty my boots when indoors  :-[. The only thing I take out of my boots are my car keys. People complain about losing their keys and even buy fancy wall hangers or bowls to keep them in, but I have them outsmarted  >:D. Never leave the home without having shoes on first and you'll never forget your keys either.
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    « Reply #88 on: July 09, 2017, 12:53:36 am »
    I don't empty my boots when indoors  :-[. The only thing I take out of my boots are my car keys. People complain about losing their keys and even buy fancy wall hangers or bowls to keep them in, but I have them outsmarted  >:D. Never leave the home without having shoes on first and you'll never forget your keys either.
    If people have a simple, designated place where they put their keys each time, (like your boots) then they never get lost.  A tiny amount of discipline and organization is all that is required.  I have no respect for people who 'lose' things like that.

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    « Reply #89 on: July 09, 2017, 05:50:59 am »
    I've lived most of my life with carpenter bees and worked in close proximity to their nests on many occasions.  I have yet to have one sting me or even try to as far as I can tell.  Kill them if you must but they are probably the least objectionable insect on the planet IMO and ought to be left alone if possible.
    The mix I gave is to prevent them from boring into the log rather than exterminate them after the fact (although it may do so as well).
    Side benefit of the mix is that it also inhibits mold, fungus, and rot.

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    « Reply #90 on: July 09, 2017, 05:59:13 am »
    Out of curiosity, what is the biologist protocol for a scorpion sting? My texts don't seem to agree at all, but they seem to tell us nausea and pain in adults and then for paediatric patients 2 or less, they can be fatal.

    I don't think that Texas has any particularly bad ass scorpions or anything  :shrug.
    Depends greatly on what scorpion.
    Had a bad time after being stung on the arm in Florida as a kid. Didn't notice the sting, but the infection that came along with it nearly cost me my arm.
    Over here we've got some scorpions which are pretty much a death sentence.
    In Thailand I've been hit by (what I assume was) a variety of emperor scorpion, big black fat clawed looking thing which stung my hand while I was doing some renovations to my FIL's home and I put my hand into a wall cavity without looking.   Was about on par with a bee sting.     The giant centipedes there scare the daylights out of me though, as well as my FIL. Says a sting from one of those will have you sick as a dog and in the worst pain you've ever felt for a week.

    With scorpions, good general rule of thumb is to look at the size of the pincers. 
    Big fat pincers and they're probably on the bee sting end of the scale.
    Tiny, delicate pincers and they're more towards that "take three steps and drop dead" end of the scale.
    Apparently the more potent the venom the less they need to rely on the brute strength of their claws.

    Moral of the story? 
    Always shake out your footwear.  :D

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    « Reply #91 on: July 09, 2017, 10:57:03 am »
    Depends greatly on what scorpion.
    Had a bad time after being stung on the arm in Florida as a kid. Didn't notice the sting, but the infection that came along with it nearly cost me my arm.
    Over here we've got some scorpions which are pretty much a death sentence.
    In Thailand I've been hit by (what I assume was) a variety of emperor scorpion, big black fat clawed looking thing which stung my hand while I was doing some renovations to my FIL's home and I put my hand into a wall cavity without looking.   Was about on par with a bee sting.     The giant centipedes there scare the daylights out of me though, as well as my FIL. Says a sting from one of those will have you sick as a dog and in the worst pain you've ever felt for a week.

    With scorpions, good general rule of thumb is to look at the size of the pincers. 
    Big fat pincers and they're probably on the bee sting end of the scale.
    Tiny, delicate pincers and they're more towards that "take three steps and drop dead" end of the scale.
    Apparently the more potent the venom the less they need to rely on the brute strength of their claws.

    Moral of the story? 
    Always shake out your footwear.  :D

     :o Yikes. Scorpions we have here have very delicate pincers. I'm going to now google common Texas scorpions  :panic.

    ETA: I feel a little better now: http://texasinsects.tamu.edu/cimg364.html

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    « Reply #92 on: July 09, 2017, 12:35:52 pm »
    :o Yikes. Scorpions we have here have very delicate pincers. I'm going to now google common Texas scorpions  :panic.

    ETA: I feel a little better now: http://texasinsects.tamu.edu/cimg364.html
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    « Reply #93 on: July 09, 2017, 12:41:07 pm »
    Out of curiosity, what is the biologist protocol for a scorpion sting? My texts don't seem to agree at all, but they seem to tell us nausea and pain in adults and then for paediatric patients 2 or less, they can be fatal.

    I don't think that Texas has any particularly bad ass scorpions or anything  :shrug.

    In my part of the world the main protocol for scorpion sting is to point and laugh a considerable amount at the victim.

    We only really get wood scorpions(striped bark scorpions) and they are about like a bee sting or so. So you watch for anaphylaxis like you would with any sting/bite. Mostly you just laugh and point tho.
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    « Reply #94 on: July 09, 2017, 12:45:47 pm »
    :o Yikes. Scorpions we have here have very delicate pincers. I'm going to now google common Texas scorpions  :panic.

    ETA: I feel a little better now: http://texasinsects.tamu.edu/cimg364.html

    You guys got bull ants tho just like Oklahoma. Those things can lay down enough pain to make you repent your heathen ways.

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    « Reply #95 on: July 09, 2017, 02:55:52 pm »
    In my part of the world the main protocol for scorpion sting is to point and laugh a considerable amount at the victim.

    We only really get wood scorpions(striped bark scorpions) and they are about like a bee sting or so. So you watch for anaphylaxis like you would with any sting/bite. Mostly you just laugh and point tho.

    Striped bark scorpions are what we have here too, apparently.

    You guys got bull ants tho just like Oklahoma. Those things can lay down enough pain to make you repent your heathen ways.



    Oh man  :facepalm. Learnt about a new death dealing animal today, can't say I'm happy about that  :scrutiny.
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    « Reply #96 on: July 09, 2017, 03:07:20 pm »
    Striped bark scorpions are what we have here too, apparently.

    Oh man  :facepalm. Learnt about a new death dealing animal today, can't say I'm happy about that  :scrutiny.

    Bull ants will not kill you. They just make you wish for death. I have been stung by about everything that can sting in this part of the world, and a bull ant is miles ahead of anything else. I would rather get bit by a rattlesnake again than take a bull ant sting.
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    « Reply #97 on: July 09, 2017, 03:18:41 pm »
    Bull ants will not kill you. They just make you wish for death. I have been stung by about everything that can sting in this part of the world, and a bull ant is miles ahead of anything else. I would rather get bit by a rattlesnake again than take a bull ant sting.

    I didn't mean literally die. After all, the video said no humans have died to date from that ant/wasp.

    I cannot imagine an insect bite being worse than a rattle snake bite :hide . I understand that rattlesnake venom is another one that commonly causes nausea and vomiting as well. I cannot stand snakes  :panic.

    Other than the minor medical texts I have read on venomous critters, I feel like I need to read up specifically on what is in my area.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    « Reply #98 on: July 09, 2017, 03:39:35 pm »
    I didn't mean literally die. After all, the video said no humans have died to date from that ant/wasp.

    I cannot imagine an insect bite being worse than a rattle snake bite :hide . I understand that rattlesnake venom is another one that commonly causes nausea and vomiting as well. I cannot stand snakes  :panic.

    Other than the minor medical texts I have read on venomous critters, I feel like I need to read up specifically on what is in my area.

    Rattlesnake last longer and made me sick as a dog, but it honestly didn't hurt real bad. It was like getting a shot with something like a bull needle. It also swelled my leg up pretty good. It is like having a really bad flu and a swollen leg at the same time.

    A bull ant sting is about the worst instant pain I have ever experienced. Everybody should try it once IMO.  ;)
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    « Reply #99 on: July 09, 2017, 03:47:05 pm »
    Digressing back to the original topic, What did I do this weekend, I took a co-worker and his 12 year old son out shooting yesterday.  First time for both.  Started out with a single-shot .22, then moved to my grandfather's pump .22, then on to a 10-22 with a scope.  They both preferred the 10-22, not because of the semi-auto aspect, but because of the easier aiming and subsequent hitting.  They shot at tin cans, steel plates and balloons all at about 20-25 yards.

    Moved on to letting the co-worker shoot the M-1 Carbine at an 8" steel plate at 50 yards (he hit it a couple or three times out of a dozen shots).  Then moved the plate in to about 10 yards and let him try half a dozen with the 1911.  He hit it a couple times, so he did pretty good for a newbie.  Finally let him shoot a gallon jug at 100 yards with the '06.  After showing him how much it kicked first by shooting a half gallon jug.  He blew the jug up with one shot, and was all smiles.

    I think they'll be happy to go again.   :D
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