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Title: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Daylight on February 12, 2013, 01:21:43 am
This weekend my third grader was staying with relatives.  Their house is in an unremarkable subdivision of an unremarkable suburb, less than two miles from the police station, with two police officers living less than a block away.  On Saturday night there was a house party nearby, which spilled outside and turned into something of a riot.  Revelers used bats and clubs to smash up several cars, assault several people, and used plain brute force to push parked cars down the street.  One of the officers living nearby called in a riot with shots fired.  (Turns out there were no shots fired.)  There was a rapid and overwhelming police response.  The rioting and party ended abruptly.  My kid and relatives were unharmed.



Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: FMJ on February 12, 2013, 02:31:08 am
Situations like that make me wonder: what's the best way (as a civilian) to curtail this kind of behavior quickly before the police arrive?  I ask this under the assumption that grabbing a shotgun and firing warning shots into the air is verboten.

I'm just wondering about taking quick action in order to minimize property damage and later pains in the ass.

Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: coyotesfan97 on February 12, 2013, 02:57:05 am
Situations like that make me wonder: what's the best way (as a civilian) to curtail this kind of behavior quickly before the police arrive?  I ask this under the assumption that grabbing a shotgun and firing warning shots into the air is verboten.

I'm just wondering about taking quick action in order to minimize property damage and later pains in the ass.

My advice.  Call 911 and report it.  Stay in your house with your rifle, shotgun etc and be a good witness unless one of family members is in physical peril.  Be prepared to repel boarders. Your vehicle is insured. It can be repaired afterwards if it's damaged.  It ain't worth going out in a riot. 

You might get runners if you start yelling COPS! If you can do it safely.
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: seanp on February 12, 2013, 08:26:24 am
Situations like that make me wonder: what's the best way (as a civilian) to curtail this kind of behavior quickly before the police arrive?  I ask this under the assumption that grabbing a shotgun and firing warning shots into the air is verboten.

I'm just wondering about taking quick action in order to minimize property damage and later pains in the ass.



Pepper spray and an axe.
Title: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Avenger29 on February 12, 2013, 08:51:06 am
Pepper spray and an axe.

Chainsaw and a ski mask.
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Evil Jim on February 12, 2013, 08:52:34 am
Flamethrower and a bullwhip


Jim

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Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Daylight on February 12, 2013, 09:46:41 am
http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/several-people-injured-cars-damaged-bonney-lake-me/nWK4Y/ (http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/several-people-injured-cars-damaged-bonney-lake-me/nWK4Y/)
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Chief45 on February 12, 2013, 10:08:16 am


I like the riot with shots fired method.    well, no officer,  I can't tell the difference between rap music played at volume and gunfire.   



I understand that there are more then a few of the rap,  um,   songs ?,  is that the correct description ?  that incorporate gunfire into the sound track anyway.






Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Lupinus on February 12, 2013, 10:15:04 am
Woad and sharp pointy metallic objects

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Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Storyteller on February 12, 2013, 05:06:52 pm
Caucasian Mountain Shepard ...that's all. :coffee
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: mwcoleburn on February 13, 2013, 01:46:06 am
Caucasian Mountain Shepard ...that's all. :coffee

Ive been looking for either one of those or a Black Russian Terrier, They make Pitbulls look like Chihuahuas
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: coelacanth on February 13, 2013, 03:25:25 am
Don't forget the Hungarian kuvasc and the Karelian bear dog.   Bad ju ju.  With fur.    :shocked     
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: FMJ on February 13, 2013, 11:55:02 am
Well, there is also the  Vostochnoevropejskaya Ovcharka (East European Shepherd).
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: ZeroTA on February 13, 2013, 01:20:22 pm
No way you have that memorized, you just Googled "bigass dog".

Personally, I would join the rioters and subtly shank whoever came within reach.
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: FMJ on February 13, 2013, 01:34:58 pm
No way you have that memorized, you just Googled "bigass dog".

Personally, I would join the rioters and subtly shank whoever came within reach.


I know it from its other name, EES.


In the end, I am glad that I don't live in a riot-y area.
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: ZeroTA on February 13, 2013, 03:16:19 pm
I'm just joshin' you. Super Fun Tax Day at the office. I'm bored.
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: coelacanth on February 13, 2013, 09:24:04 pm
Well, there is also the  Vostochnoevropejskaya Ovcharka (East European Shepherd).
Technically, same breed as the Caucasian Mountain Shepherd.  .   .    .
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: FMJ on February 13, 2013, 09:26:33 pm
Technically, same breed as the Caucasian Mountain Shepherd.  .   .    .

Are you sure, Coelacanth?

(http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/images7/Easteuropeanshepherddellaessikys1god.jpg)
EES

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Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: coelacanth on February 13, 2013, 09:39:43 pm
Yes.  Ovcharka refers to working dogs, typically herding breeds and guard dogs bred for that purpose and sometimes crossbred for purposes known only to their owners.  This resulted in a large and very diverse gene pool which were all referred to generically as "ovcharka".  They can range in size from 80 lbs. to 130 lbs., have longish coats ( usually double layered ) of all color combinations, ears which range from fully erect to fully drooped.  The situation is not very different from that which existed in America in the late 19th century regarding farm dogs/working dogs which were generally recognized but never had a separate distinction as far as breed specifics were concerned.    What you refer to as the Eastern European Shepherd is a relatively recent development and largely an offshoot of the German Shepherd Dog breed which was crossbred with the native ovcharka of the eastern European countries.   
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Daylight on February 14, 2013, 12:15:16 am
In the end, I am glad that I don't live in a riot-y area.

I don't live in a riot-y area, either.  But apparently riot-y areas deliver.
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Avenger29 on February 14, 2013, 01:18:51 am
I don't live in a riot-y area, either.  But apparently riot-y areas deliver.

You may think you don't live in a bad neighborhood but bad neighborhoods don't mind traveling to you!

(https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpdkum1PRl1qg0w16o1_400.jpg)

That's no dog, that's a damn bear! I bet one of those would settle a riot PDQ after it ate a few rioters.




Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: FMJ on February 14, 2013, 03:31:56 am
You may think you don't live in a bad neighborhood but bad neighborhoods don't mind traveling to you!


I'm glad that the problem areas of the Bay Area are buffered by bridges, other cities, and the water.

None of that Occupy Oakland s___ for me....please occupy some buckshot instead.
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Nick Cage on February 14, 2013, 12:02:00 pm
Its like the old joke about the guy who saw the folks stealin stuff from his shed called the cops and was told that it would be at least 30 minutes because no one was available, he hung up waited 30 seconds and called back and told them to take their time because he just shot them all dead. 5 minutes later when the cops arrived and arrested they asked him "I thought you said you shot them" He replied "I thought you said no one was available" :-)

I like the grab your rifle hunker down and call the popo plan. Even bigass dogs can get tore up by a buch of folks. And your probably going to get in a serious amount of trouble if you turn one of those mountains of teeth and fur loose on a pack of folks riot or no.

This just reminds me I want to extend my backyard fence out to the front of my property when I buy my own house.
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Avenger29 on February 14, 2013, 01:29:46 pm
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Even bigass dogs can get tore up by a buch of folks.

While I agree logically, emotionally lots of people fear big mean dogs. Hence why K9s are very effective in police use, our local K9 officers have lots of good stories about backing down angry angry crowds with just a German Shepard and an officer or two.

Someone on another board that I'm a member of theorized that people have an innate fear of animals that are apex predators in their category. Spiders, snakes, big dogs (think of wolves), sharks, and so on. They might invoke a hardwired survival instinct.

Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: JesseL on February 14, 2013, 01:44:33 pm
While I agree logically, emotionally lots of people fear big mean dogs. Hence why K9s are very effective in police use, our local K9 officers have lots of good stories about backing down angry angry crowds with just a German Shepard and an officer or two.

Someone on another board that I'm a member of theorized that people have an innate fear of animals that are apex predators in their category. Spiders, snakes, big dogs (think of wolves), sharks, and so on. They might invoke a hardwired survival instinct.

There's also the point that it's a bit like the idea of holding off a mob with a pistol - if they really want to they'll overrun you, but nobody wants to be one of those first few that are definitely going to get shot before you go down.
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: booksmart on February 14, 2013, 01:48:08 pm
(https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpdkum1PRl1qg0w16o1_400.jpg)

That's no dog, that's a damn bear! I bet one of those would settle a riot PDQ after it ate a few rioters.

Can you imagine trying to hold that up when you rub that one right spot behind his ear?! *FWUMP!*
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Avenger29 on February 14, 2013, 01:55:20 pm
Can you imagine trying to hold that up when you rub that one right spot behind his ear?! *FWUMP!*

Or trying to give it a bath. Fluffy don't want to take a bath? Good luck with that (I hear people say their dogs love baths but every single damn one of mine has always hated baths)

Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Kaso on February 14, 2013, 02:41:11 pm
What type of dog is that?



Kaso
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: booksmart on February 14, 2013, 02:41:33 pm
Or trying to give it a bath. Fluffy don't want to take a bath? Good luck with that (I hear people say their dogs love baths but every single damn one of mine has always hated baths)

*snort* Best wear a bathing suit, 'cuz you ain't comin' out dry, that's for sure...
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Avenger29 on February 14, 2013, 02:59:38 pm
What type of dog is that?



Kaso

Caucasian Mountain Shepard.




Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: FMJ on February 14, 2013, 06:48:40 pm
It's actually a Russian bear.
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: mattitude on February 14, 2013, 08:00:54 pm
So, where is Caucasia anyway??

Caucasian Mountain Shepard.
Title: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Nightcrawler on February 14, 2013, 08:02:33 pm
So, where is Caucasia anyway??

Brigham City, Utah.
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: mwcoleburn on February 14, 2013, 08:10:35 pm
Brigham City, Utah.

where is the rim shot emoticon?
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Kaso on February 14, 2013, 09:01:49 pm
Brigham City, Utah.
What am I missing?



Kaso
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: FMJ on February 14, 2013, 09:05:08 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasus
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: coelacanth on February 15, 2013, 05:08:19 am
where is the rim shot emoticon?
You beat me to it.    :rotfl
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Daylight on February 15, 2013, 09:24:32 pm
Someone on another board that I'm a member of theorized that people have an innate fear of animals that are apex predators in their category. Spiders, snakes, big dogs (think of wolves), sharks, and so on. They might invoke a hardwired survival instinct.

Be glad the police dogs and horses.  Using police spiders to search for a suspect might not be as fast, but it would sure be nastier.  And while there might be some logistical issues, using police sharks to take down perps or break up riots is just not something I want to consider.
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Harm on February 15, 2013, 09:37:04 pm
Daylight - a riot is no joke man - I know the stress from a neighbor family (yes the tweakers from FB) having a fistfight in the front yard how quickly that can go sideways.  I think a 12 gauge and a hi-cap gun regardless of details is the best bet.  Maybe a pepper spray bottle that will lock open and you can toss into the party? 

I'm breaking in the 12 gauge tomorrow.  As to the BIG dog - Meet Bruce - a near 200 lbs (now that he's fully grown, this pic is when he was a puppy) Newfoundland.  He is the sire of the pup I hope to claim in the next year and start breeding the next generation.  Big dogs are big.  Big dog that loves your whole family, far rarer.  Newfies get that part done. 
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Daylight on February 15, 2013, 10:30:14 pm
I am not too stressed out about it.  By the time I knew, it was over, and everything was secure.  I try to reserve upset for things I can change.  There was no reasonable way to expect it might happen, but one of my kids was there (inside a house in the neighborhood) with family members.  Somethings you can't prepare for.  Somethings you can't control.

I would actually have thought it was more likely at or near my home.  My house is a couple of blocks away from a stadium used for school district and some college events.  The state fairgrounds are in walking distance, which means big crowds a couple of weeks a year and events year round (including gun shows).  I have gone out to deal with groups of unruly teenagers ("get off my lawn.")  And I have some expectation of how to respond to an out of control situation here. 




Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Avenger29 on February 15, 2013, 10:49:41 pm
Daylight - a riot is no joke man - I know the stress from a neighbor family (yes the tweakers from FB) having a fistfight in the front yard how quickly that can go sideways.  I think a 12 gauge and a hi-cap gun regardless of details is the best bet.  Maybe a pepper spray bottle that will lock open and you can toss into the party? 

I'm breaking in the 12 gauge tomorrow.  As to the BIG dog - Meet Bruce - a near 200 lbs (now that he's fully grown, this pic is when he was a puppy) Newfoundland.  He is the sire of the pup I hope to claim in the next year and start breeding the next generation.  Big dogs are big.  Big dog that loves your whole family, far rarer.  Newfies get that part done. 


Saw a woman walking one of those through our campground one day and called it in as a bear just to mess with my coworkers. "Yeah we got a bear down here in the campground. Ya'll need to come see it"

Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Harm on February 16, 2013, 01:42:01 am
Saw a woman walking one of those through our campground one day and called it in as a bear just to mess with my coworkers. "Yeah we got a bear down here in the campground. Ya'll need to come see it"



Knowing how big the males get I bet at a distance they didn't know what to think heh.
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: ZeroTA on February 16, 2013, 02:00:00 am

I'm breaking in the 12 gauge tomorrow.  As to the BIG dog - Meet Bruce - a near 200 lbs (now that he's fully grown, this pic is when he was a puppy) Newfoundland.  He is the sire of the pup I hope to claim in the next year and start breeding the next generation.  Big dogs are big.  Big dog that loves your whole family, far rarer.  Newfies get that part done. 


Dang Harm... go big or go home, huh?

I have a mutant ability to make dogs like me. I don't have this effect on humans btw. Anyway, I've found big dogs to be generally much more friendly than little yappers. They're called ankle biters for a reason.
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Avenger29 on February 16, 2013, 02:15:55 am
Dang Harm... go big or go home, huh?

I have a mutant ability to make dogs like me. I don't have this effect on humans btw. Anyway, I've found big dogs to be generally much more friendly than little yappers. They're called ankle biters for a reason.

My experience mirrors yours. I've never met a big dog that hates me but the tiny ones cannot stand me. As far as humans, fluff 'em. Dogs don't annoy me about stupid s___ like humans do.



Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Harm on February 16, 2013, 02:22:49 am
Only big dog I didn't like was my cousins Rhodesian Ridgeback stud.  He is the only dog I recall who didn't like me.  In my defense he started it.  Otherwise dogs like me.  A lot. 

I love big dogs.  I thought about a Newfie and a Great Pyrenees.  Little bit of research the Great Pyr's are awesome dogs & love people or rather their person.  Not necessarily their whole family.  I have 5 kids.  That's important to me. 

My aunt breeds Newfies, if you Google Nampa Newfies that's her.  I have some non dog shopping exposure and just love the way they patrol the whole family.  Plus their size is a great force multiplier ;-). People are nervous just based on the size of them. 
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: mwcoleburn on February 16, 2013, 07:58:27 pm
Only big dog I didn't like was my cousins Rhodesian Ridgeback stud.  He is the only dog I recall who didn't like me.  In my defense he started it.  Otherwise dogs like me.  A lot. 

I love big dogs.  I thought about a Newfie and a Great Pyrenees.  Little bit of research the Great Pyr's are awesome dogs & love people or rather their person.  Not necessarily their whole family.  I have 5 kids.  That's important to me. 

My aunt breeds Newfies, if you Google Nampa Newfies that's her.  I have some non dog shopping exposure and just love the way they patrol the whole family.  Plus their size is a great force multiplier ;-). People are nervous just based on the size of them. 

My only problem with really big dogs are the really short life spans. Along with the CMS's I;ve been looking into Pyr/Maremma/Anatolian/Tartar crosses, you get 12-14 years instead of 7-9 like we had with our Pyr (they really start to slow down after 5)  Hybrid vigor is no joke, our Poodle/Golden cross still gets around like a puppy at 7 years old.
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: aikorob on February 16, 2013, 10:12:42 pm

wife wants one of these, but no way would I subject one to a Georgia summer
Title: Weekend Excitement
Post by: schapm on February 16, 2013, 10:32:59 pm
I've always wanted to get an Italian Mastiff and name it Orso. My "big" dog at the moment is a 70lbs lab/Rhodesian ridgeback mix. Fairly scary looking, but my sister's Newfie/St. Bernard mix forever impacted what I consider a big dog.
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Avenger29 on February 16, 2013, 10:40:01 pm
I've always wanted to get an Italian Mastiff and name it Orso. My "big" dog at the moment is a 70lbs lab/Rhodesian ridgeback mix. Fairly scary looking, but my sister's Newfie/St. Bernard mix forever impacted what I consider a big dog.

Had a truck pull up to the fee booth one day and I did a double take. It was a fullsize Tundra...

With a big ass Great Dane in it. I mean HUGE Great Dane that took up a good portion of the truck bed and towered over the cab. I looked at the guy driving and asked him where his oversize permit was...he said they were going to put a saddle on him and charge rides for a dollar apiece

Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Harm on February 16, 2013, 11:09:34 pm
One of my brothers brother in laws studs out his male Great Dane for super sized great Danes.  Ridiculous how big these dogs are.   Like a full size couch is a bed...
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Avenger29 on February 17, 2013, 12:53:09 am
One of my brothers brother in laws studs out his male Great Dane for super sized great Danes.  Ridiculous how big these dogs are.   Like a full size couch is a bed...

I would LOVE to have one or any number of giant dogs but there is absolutely no way I could afford to feed one unless I somehow manage to quadruple my salary.

Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: FMJ on February 17, 2013, 03:40:18 am
How big are we talking here?
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Daylight on February 17, 2013, 11:34:21 am
How big are we talking here?
(http://tinyurl.com/bejqgdo)
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: booksmart on February 17, 2013, 11:45:10 am
... is not as far off as you would like to think.

Newfies are awesome dogs - big, friendly bears that know to keep an eye out.

During our trip to Ireland we ran into an Irish Wolfhound... who only chased SUVs. Anything smaller wasn't worth the effort. Sweet pup.
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: sarge712 on February 17, 2013, 12:09:59 pm
While I agree logically, emotionally lots of people fear big mean dogs. Hence why K9s are very effective in police use, our local K9 officers have lots of good stories about backing down angry angry crowds with just a German Shepard and an officer or two.

Someone on another board that I'm a member of theorized that people have an innate fear of animals that are apex predators in their category. Spiders, snakes, big dogs (think of wolves), sharks, and so on. They might invoke a hardwired survival instinct.



Back in '92 I was in a rock and bottle throwing riot with around 50 people and four of us tried to face them off with shotguns and batons in the days before we had adopted "less lethal" munitions. Our commands and presence were not working and our sergeant started a coordinated retreat by the numbers while praying for backup. When the K9 team got there, suddenly everyone found some other place to be. I was so relieved and amazed at the response and the K9 handler said the dog has the effect of 7-10 officers during a riot. Whatever grievance the 'hood rats had was quickly forgotten when the dog arrived.
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: coelacanth on February 17, 2013, 01:32:32 pm
Yup.  That kind of thing is an immense comfort.  Most miscreants realize on some level that they will be read their rights AFTER the dog is through with them.   >:D
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Chrissmitty820 on February 17, 2013, 02:26:52 pm
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Ok, these have to be said:

In Russia, Dog walks you!

Never let your dog hump Chuck Norris's leg.

Where does a dog that size sleep? Anywhere he damn well pleases
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Harm on February 17, 2013, 05:24:01 pm
Its a fun pic but just like the one of the "350lbs Mastiff" a simple optical illusion.  The dogs are big no doubt but not THAT big. 

Frankly for the discussion there are any number of 80lbs dogs who would be efficient at chasing rioting thugs away from your domicile. 

There are many different factors in dogs and which is right for you.  Size, temperament, temperature, family/no etc.  I'm getting the dog I am for temperament w kids, protection & life expectancy (10 years).  I don't THINK I'll ever have to face down routers in the streets.  But my tweaking meth head neighbors just got another dog - a Rottweiler to go w their Pit Bull.  Frankly w the odds of 4 adult males and two large dogs If i could afford it Id get 6 Newfies & a Great Pyr(remind me to tell you the story about the mountain lion & 2 great pyr's sometime) to go w my shotgun.
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Avenger29 on February 17, 2013, 06:01:05 pm
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I don't THINK I'll ever have to face down routers in the streets

I should hope not. Mobs of rogue woodworking tools would suck to repel.

Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: FMJ on February 17, 2013, 06:18:16 pm
In my case being relatively close to Silicon valley, it would be a bunch of angry computer parts!
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Harm on February 17, 2013, 06:33:04 pm
Damn phone.  This is why I stopped posting...  :facepalm
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: booksmart on February 17, 2013, 06:54:18 pm
And routers can be vicious, too... sending stray data packets every which way...
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: coelacanth on February 17, 2013, 07:50:24 pm
No slack at all.   :facepalm    No wonder we have so few idiots posting here.    :cool   ( I can't WAIT for my next errant post so I can be reminded of this one. ) 
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Kaso on February 17, 2013, 08:05:44 pm
No slack at all.   :facepalm    No wonder we have so few idiots posting here.    :cool   ( I can't WAIT for my next errant post so I can be reminded of this one. ) 
Yup, and Avenger already went and made it his signature...  :bash



Kaso
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Harm on February 17, 2013, 08:16:47 pm
eh I'm a big boy - I can take it.  The irony being there are two wood working tools I am apprehensive about using, routers aren't one of them.   >:D
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: sarge712 on February 18, 2013, 09:05:57 am
Bandsaws. they are the devil. I will avoid any area they are in and take my riot elsewhere.
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Daylight on February 18, 2013, 11:07:56 am
Jointers and planers.  Your average saw amputation can be reattached, but with a jointer it is just gone in Fargo quality bits.  And a full size planer howls like an air raid siren, even louder than pop music played from a low riding import with a coffee can exhaust. 

I don't think even DDR K-9 units were ready to use jointers and planers.  The DPRK would, but North Korea doesn't have any.  I understand Iran is pursuing wood smoothing technology, and Pakistan already has some for their "domestic furniture" industry.
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Harm on February 18, 2013, 11:25:29 am
Bandsaws. they are the devil. I will avoid any area they are in and take my riot elsewhere.

I will admit I am afraid of bandsaws, anyone who's ever had the blade "disappear" on you knows what I mean.   :panic
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: coelacanth on February 18, 2013, 09:48:57 pm
And now for the nightmare.   .    .     .   I worked plant maintenance in a commercial bakery operation many years ago. ( we produced roughly a half million pounds of baked goods per week )  The commercial bread slicer is a band saw on steroids.  Looped blades, up to 24 of them, with large serrations ( about 3/4 " between points )  running at high speed and periodically honed by an automatic sharpening system built into the machine.  Eventually the blade point would wear down and begin to produce a ragged slice so the production folks would get all whiney and tell us we needed to change blades.   That was before the advent of kevlar gloves so heavy leather and great care was necessary to avoid great bodily injury when doing so.   If you've noticed the difficulty in getting bandsaw blades to track straight and true you can imagine trying to synchronize 24 of them.   :facepalm   Then readjust the honing mechanism, if you dare.   

I never saw people move as fast as I did the day one of the interior blades broke at the welded joint during operation.  This resulted in the loose end getting wound up onto the top roller wheel and taking out about half the other blades.  This resulted in four or five razor sharp ribbons flying out of the front of the slicer and flailing about the workroom floor until their momentum was spent.   The blades were so sharp, nobody would even go over and touch one until they called us out to deal with it.    :panic
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: Daylight on February 18, 2013, 10:50:58 pm
 I work daily with three phase power and rotating machinery at heights.  I have sailed in Alaska and the Middle East, worked hazmat and confined spaces, arc welded in the rain, run ammonia compressors, crawled inside boilers, investigated industrial accidents, and stood on the edge of a live volcano crater looking down into the lava.

You just gave me the heebie-jeebies.
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: mwcoleburn on February 19, 2013, 02:00:31 am
That sounds like something out of a low budget horror movie... YIKES!
Title: Re: Weekend Excitement
Post by: sarge712 on February 19, 2013, 07:09:29 am
That sounds like something out of a low budget horror movie... YIKES!

Yeah the Bloody Bandsaw Bakery or The House of 1,000 Crescents  :facepalm