Heh - that depends on which part of history you're talking about...

Recent history.  Go back more than about 40 to 45 years and the very definitions of "Republican" and "Democrat" completely change.


-T.

As much as I'd like to see an end to "Republican" and "Democrat", so we can all be "American", I realize it's not going to happen.  I will, however, refuse to wear either political label.  I am an American and I WILL vote for what I think is best for America, not me.

I have to agree 100% with what George said.  Now is not the time to 3rd party the fedzilla.  Start at home, work your way up.  The founding fathers just didn't say, "Hey, I want this land.  Let's start a country."  They wanted something for "posterity" and that is what WE have to do.  Work for the future. 

It's a long walk from the farms, mills, etc. to the White House, but if you don't vote you're not even taking a step.  This applies locally, as well.  A +1 to Thernlund.  Show up or don't, your action or inaction will have an effect.  Apathy rarely rewards you well.

Larry says Romney gets a C+ and I won't argue that.  Reasonably successful as a governor and Olympic (not small, inner-city community) organizer.  Even with 4 years as Prez. for Obama, Romney has more experience for the job.  Ryan as a VP is far from a bad thing.  Heck, Obama should have ... oh, wait... nevermind.  The Big O can keep Joe.

Get out and vote.  IN. EVERY. SINGLE. ELECTION. YOU. CAN.  The difference you make by not doing so will be felt all the way from your street to Pennsylvania Avenue.  Maybe not today, or next year, or this decade.  To misquote, "All it takes for evil to win is for good men and women to sit apathetically by and let it."

  Holy crap. I just quoted Feud to give him a +1. I'm pretty sure that's the very first time that has ever happened. High five, man!

Well, you know, monkeys, typewriters, and something about Shakespeare. 

Thanks!

Yall might find this interesting.
It was up on Fox News yesterday.



We are not even close to being a shoe-in to win this thing. I literally cannot fathom the evil that will be perpetuated against our great nation should BHO get a second term.

Thought this was a good quote from Michael Bane:

It is time, as the NRA says, to go "All In!" That means its time to quit whining that Ron Paul, Thomas Jefferson or Charlton Heston are not on the ballot. If you can't figure out the difference between our current President, a committed Alinsky-ite without a shred of conscience or personal honor and his boob of a VP and the Romney/Ryan ticket, don't expect any of us to take you seriously anymore.

Yall might find this interesting.
It was up on Fox News yesterday.



We are not even close to being a shoe-in to win this thing. I literally cannot fathom the evil that will be perpetuated against our great nation should BHO get a second term.

Thought this was a good quote from Michael Bane:

That quote from Bane was awesome. And yeah, it looks bleak "now". But I watch the debates and they haven't even happened yet. Debates can and will sway people. I cannot WAIT for them. The Ryan/Biden one should be hilarious. And Romney should do better than Obama. "Should".

Heck, all he has to do is keep harping on this note, "Current deficit continues to skyrocket, unemployment rate still X%. Four more years? Are you serious??? Mr. President, I thought you knew all about sustainability. America cannot sustain another four years of YOU!"

I can dream, right?

Maybe.  The problem would then be where we have to reset from.  God help us.

I vote with my Second Amendment. As long as politicians keep their hands and laws away from my firearms and accessories, I don't wholly care what else they do.

You better care.  Politicians, given enough time and a long leash, could quite easily take your guns while simultaneously leaving the 2A completely intact.

Being a single-issue voter is going to do you more harm than good.


-T.

If it makes you feel any better, 2nd terms as a general rule tend to be more moderate than the 1st.  In your examples, for example, one was Reagan taking a more moderate position during his second term, the former was during Clinton's first (even Columbine, in his 2nd, didn't result in him leaving his later moderate position).

 There tends to be a much greater effort to work with the other party as the now lame duck president needs broader political support, and is looking to build their legacy with something that is more likely to withstand a change in administration.

Have you been paying any attention at all to what the fluff is going on THIS PLANET?!?


You MIGHT have a point except in THIS reality our glorious leader has been on camera promising the freaking Russians that he would do all sorts of good stuff in his next term because he "wouldn't have to worry about elections".

With that crap all bets are off.

Have you been paying any attention at all to what the fluff is going on THIS PLANET?!?


You MIGHT have a point except in THIS reality our glorious leader has been on camera promising the freaking Russians that he would do all sorts of good stuff in his next term because he "wouldn't have to worry about elections".

With that crap all bets are off.

Not having to worry about reelection swings both ways.  It also means that you don't have to pander to the radical base, and can pursue more moderate policy goals that are more likely to be adopted and maintained since you don't need to worry about maintaining an effective reelection foundation amongst your ideological core.  So, yeah, I might have a point, but only if you figure in the last sixty years of history.

I'm curious how these laws are supposed to get passed by a lame duck President, an opposition Congress, and a Supreme Court that opposes them as often as it supports.  Administratively some changes could be made, which could then immediately be undone with a new administration, but again, that's not what tends to happen.

Might he swing left in a second term?  Sure, he might.  But, that's not what usually happens.

IMHO Obama is a commited ideological leftist and will rule as "left" as he can get by with.  A second term will only uninhibit him where it might inhibit another.
He stuffed Obamacare down our throats and that is very unpopular.  It didn't bother him so far as getting reelected.  And he's too much of a narcissist to worry about what happens to democrats adter he leaves in 2016, if he gets a second term.  Normally it is THAT which would temper a president's second term; he wouldn't want his party and/or successor to suffer.

Yikes.

Go read a damned book, and then you can say something without coming off as a complete blithering idiot.

Is there a reason that you want them to come by and lock this up?  Okay, DR was wrong, but civilized people act in a civilized manner...  Why can't you?


BOT, if anyone has not yet watched the video that Nightcrawler posted, I urge you to do so.  Rep. Ryan is nothing, if not an excellent speaker.  He knows his s___ cold.  Sarah Palinesque, he is not. (Thank goodness)  The VP debate is going to be good!



Kaso

Saul Alinsky was NOT a Communist!  He was an important figure in the NON-SOCIALIST left, and publically condemned Communism as one of the great causes of death and suffering in this quote:

Deathrider, you've been listening to so much pundit bullcrap that you don't even know who the people you're using as an insult ARE!  Go read a damned book, and then you can say something without coming off as a complete blithering idiot.

Alinsky was not a communist but his tactics often ...."stunk!!":

After organizing FIGHT (an acronym for Freedom, Independence [subsequently Integration], God, Honor, Today) in Rochester, New York,[9] Alinsky once threatened to stage a "fart in" to disrupt the sensibilities of the city's establishment at a Rochester Philharmonic concert. FIGHT members were to consume large quantities of baked beans after which, according to author Nicholas von Hoffman, "FIGHT's increasingly gaseous music-loving members would hie themselves to the concert hall where they would sit expelling gaseous vapors with such noisy velocity as to compete with the woodwinds."[10] Satisfied with the reaction to his threat, Alinsky would later threaten a "piss in" at Chicago O'Hare Airport. Alinsky planned to arrange for large numbers of well dressed African Americans to occupy the urinals and toilets at O'Hare for as long as it took to bring the city to the bargaining table.

He was quote the social "irritant" and I think I can find other reasons to dislike him aside from spurious charges of "communism."