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Re: Ukraine conflict heats up
« Reply #50 on: January 25, 2015, 12:24:28 pm »
  The "famine" spoken of above was a famine by design. Stalin perpetrated the famine aka: The Holodomor of 1932-33(extermination by starvation), as a way of ethnically cleansing the area of Ukrainians in order to clear space for Russians to move in.

  One of many genocidal atrocities committed by Stalin.....So, no, the "Ethnic Russians" have zero claim to eastern Ukraine.

  Ukraine has historically been known as "The Bread Basket of Europe" due to it's massive harvests of wheat and barley (it is even the symbolism of the nation's flag, amber fields of grain under an azure blue sky).

 "Famine" pffft, It was a Genocide that murdered perhaps as many as 7 million Ukrainians.
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    « Reply #51 on: January 25, 2015, 12:36:16 pm »
    Yes, I actually did know that SLM.  Doesn't change the fact that it was still a famine that wiped out the population.



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    « Reply #52 on: January 25, 2015, 12:39:30 pm »
      No, you're still missing the point.....The fact is: It was Premeditated Murder.
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    « Reply #53 on: January 25, 2015, 12:51:50 pm »
    Oh, I understand that perfectly.  At no time to I consider it acceptable.  But so what?  It happened, and these people that now live there are no more at fault for it than you or I.  Would you like to suggest that they all be deported to Russia?  Because that is even more ludicrous than my idea.



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    « Reply #54 on: January 25, 2015, 12:52:25 pm »
    Let us look at this as an analogy: the Trident tribe is an Indian tribe that has been fostering members of the Bear tribe for generations.  They have lived and coexisted peacefully.

    Years before, the Tridents were trapped in a dispute between the Bear tribe and the Eagle tribe and for 50 years were dominated by the Bears.  It was at this time that the Bears allowed a famine to wipe out many Tridents, and moved many of their people in to Trident territory to repopulate it.

    The struggle between the Bear and the Eagle ended in a draw, with the Eagle strong and prosperous, and the Bears weakened and cast down.  Sensing their opportunity, the Trident and many other oppressed tribes cast off the rule of the Bear to go their own way.  Foolishly, the made a pact with both the Bear and the Eagle to give up their guns - keeping only their weaker weapons - in exchange for both of the superpowers to defend them if ever attacked.

    The following decades had the Bear slowly regain its strength, while the Eagle wasted its energy chasing rats in the desert and electing the weakest of chiefs. 

    When they felt the time right, the Bear tribe meddled in the affairs of the Tridents, and welcomed their people still living there to rise up and rejoin the Bear.  Many showed support for that, so the Bear helped them in every way it could, while still superficially denying involvement. 

    Despite their earlier pledge of aid, the Eagle did no more than cut off trade with the Bear.  The Bear simply turned east to the massive Dragon tribe, who had become just as powerful as the Eagle.

    The Trident is left with a bad choice - fight the Bear and lose, or control the fall and try to receive some compensation for losing much of their territory.  Barring the Eagle dropping a pair, these are their two options.



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    « Reply #55 on: January 25, 2015, 01:43:45 pm »
    Oh, I understand that perfectly.  At no time to I consider it acceptable.  But so what?  It happened, and these people that now live there are no more at fault for it than you or I.  Would you like to suggest that they all be deported to Russia?  Because that is even more ludicrous than my idea.



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      When in Rome one must do as the Romans. They live in Ukraine, so they must live under the laws of the land, regardless of their ethnicity and it's customs. If they don't like it they are free to leave.

      Ukraine shouldn't have to tolerate this violent movement of ethnic secession no more than we would be expected to tolerate, say for instance, the same sort of violent secessionist movement in the South-Western states, if it were to one day happen. (and for the record, no, I don't think it will)
     
      My point is, this is just a case of Russia being the Evil Empire all over again. This is very similar to what they've fostered in the Abkhazian and South Ossetian regions of Georgia and are trying to start in Moldova, Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia.
      Putin & Co. (Vlad the Invader) is pulling one from the page of Adolph Hitler, but in modified form, to suit the modern times. Think of this as a modern twist on the annexation of Austria, the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia and the general "punking-out" of Europe and NATO.

      Morally, for me at least, standing in support of the sovereignty of Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova and the Baltic States is the same as standing in support of the sovereignty of Israel.
      There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that we are most certainly bearing witness to the beginning stages of WW3. I have nothing more to say in this matter.
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    « Reply #56 on: January 25, 2015, 04:12:12 pm »
    I can't think of one thing you said that I object to. ^

    That said, does anybody see a potential outcome to all of this that does not include either Russia annexing 20 - 40% of Ukraine, or the western world getting their collective heads out of their asses and threatening a fight?  Which is more likely?



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    « Reply #57 on: January 25, 2015, 05:56:28 pm »
       One of many genocidal atrocities committed by Stalin.....So, no, the "Ethnic Russians" have zero claim to eastern Ukraine.

    Ditto for the Russian claim on Crimea--the native Tatars were deported under Russian and Soviet cleansing so that ethnic Russians could move in
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    « Reply #58 on: February 06, 2015, 12:50:57 pm »
    Coincidentally announced just as Kerry visits Kiev
    http://tass.ru/en/russia/775419
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    « Reply #59 on: February 06, 2015, 01:43:53 pm »
    Strangelittleman told my son he expects that Will's going to be very busy in that region over the next few years
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    « Reply #60 on: February 06, 2015, 06:33:16 pm »


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    « Reply #62 on: September 14, 2015, 10:54:40 am »
    We have not been gettting much coverage on what is happening there.   You would think a war between two major countries in Europe would warrant some attention...
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    « Reply #66 on: September 19, 2015, 10:51:06 pm »
     Ukrainian Snipers...The most interesting part is the manufacturing part...
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    « Reply #67 on: September 19, 2015, 10:56:30 pm »
    My company has a plant over in Donetsk, right in the middle of the worst of it.   They evacuated everyone when this all first started.   Shortly after that, some armed group took up residence there and have been there ever since from all reports.    The company helped a lot of employees move out of the area if they wanted to leave and paid them for several months after that, but as of right now,  nobody knows if and when they will be able to move back and re-open the plant.   

    There have been reports that some damage was caused by the fighting, but nobody has been able to get back there in over a year.   
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    « Reply #68 on: September 19, 2015, 11:27:34 pm »
    Ukrainian Snipers...The most interesting part is the manufacturing part...

    Holy crap, they're making an AR-10.
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    « Reply #69 on: September 19, 2015, 11:34:26 pm »
      Yeah, interesting isn't it? Also reloading their own ammo...
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    « Reply #70 on: September 20, 2015, 02:04:19 am »
    Thanks for the vids guys!  :thumbup1.
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    « Reply #71 on: September 20, 2015, 11:23:16 am »
    Definitely.   :thumbup1    Was that an RCBS loading press I saw in the video? 
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