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This is sooooo nauseating.
« on: November 14, 2008, 01:02:45 am »
I thought this was a joke, but it isn't. Look at section 108.....

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.808:
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    Re: This is sooooo nauseating.
    « Reply #1 on: November 14, 2008, 01:11:14 am »
    I don't understand why some people just can't get it.

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           (c) Mission- The Department shall--

                (1) hold peace as an organizing principle, coordinating service to every level of American society;

    That's all good and well.. as long as every citizen (and illegal) agrees to play nice.

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    (4) promote the development of human potential;

    I see nothing in there that promotes the development of human potential. Only bondage to others - other governments when ours is disarmed, and to our government when we are.
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    « Reply #2 on: November 14, 2008, 01:22:38 am »
    As a principle, I disagree with most expansion of government. Having said that, I disagree with funding for any "Miss America Speech" dreams. This sounds like a ploy to give more of Obama's friends government jobs. I don't see anything regarding disarmament of civilians, or really anything regarding non-nuclear disarmament.
    Its more crap the gov shouldn't be spending money on, but there's so much of that nonsense already, I don't devote much political aggression to it. It doesn't look like a Constitutional issue to me. Just a waste of time an money.
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    « Reply #3 on: November 14, 2008, 02:25:21 am »
    Maybe if we just say the word "peace" enough times, it'll just happen.   :banghead
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    Re: This is sooooo nauseating.
    « Reply #4 on: November 14, 2008, 02:49:44 am »
    The bill, like thousands of others, died in committee.  It never had a chance of reaching a vote, much less winning one.

    This particular one died on 5/18/2007, so it's nothing to be concerned with.
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    « Reply #5 on: November 14, 2008, 03:01:28 am »
    phew! I thought this was another Obamanation.
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    Re: This is sooooo nauseating.
    « Reply #6 on: November 14, 2008, 03:10:09 am »
    Quote from: Outbreak on November 14, 2008, 03:01:28 am
    phew! I thought this was another Obamanation.

    It's a really handy website once you learn your way around it.  From the link, click on "Bill Summery and Status File".  This brings you to the main page for this bill, where you can check virtually everything (official) about it. Note that the last major action taken was it's referral to subcommittee a year and a half ago, where it was left to die.  This process is the standard why of getting rid of a bill in a manner that is courteous towards the submitter and cosponsors.
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    Re: This is sooooo nauseating.
    « Reply #7 on: November 14, 2008, 11:16:39 am »
    Feud, if you are familiar with it could you see what is really out there on the horizon for an AW ban and get us some links we can share.
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    « Reply #8 on: November 14, 2008, 11:23:04 am »
    I.R. 138
    The Totally Frickin' Awesome Act

    November, 2008
    Section 1. Short Title; Table of Contents
     (a) Short Title- This Act may be cited as the "Totally Frickin' Awesome Act"
     (b) Table of Contents- The table of contents for this Act is as follows:
      Sec. 1. Short title; Table of Contents
      Sec. 2. Findings

    TITLE I--ESTABLISHMENT OF A TOTALLY FRICKIN' AWESOME DEPARTMENT


    .... Okay, my attention span just wilted.
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    « Reply #9 on: November 14, 2008, 01:28:40 pm »
    Ooh Peace!  Everybody wants peace, don't they?

    Peace as an "organizing principle" is nonsense, it is like saying;

    "hold serenity as an organizing principle, coordinating service to every level of American society."

    What?

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    What? etc.
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    « Reply #10 on: November 14, 2008, 01:44:15 pm »
    Now we all hold hands and sing "Kum Bah Ya" as they take our guns and melt them into a statue devoted to peace.

    Gag me with a maggot.

    (On the bright side, this abomination was introduced in 2007....AFAIK it's nowhere on the radar now.  It would look pretty silly while we're fighting a war in Afghanistan and finishing up one in Iraq....)

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    « Reply #11 on: November 14, 2008, 04:10:05 pm »
    Quote from: PvtPyle on November 14, 2008, 11:16:39 am
    Feud, if you are familiar with it could you see what is really out there on the horizon for an AW ban and get us some links we can share.

    From what I've seen it's actually pretty quiet right now.  Most of the bills have been sent to die quite a while ago, and it doesn't look like anything new has recently been proposed.  The only one worth noting is H.R. 6257, which reauthorizes and expands the assault weapons ban.  Choice bits include:

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          (v)(1) It shall be unlawful for a person to manufacture, transfer, or possess a semiautomatic assault weapon.

          `(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the possession or transfer of any semiautomatic assault weapon otherwise lawfully possessed under Federal law on the date of the enactment of this subsection.

          `(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to--

                `(A) any of the firearms, or replicas or duplicates of the firearms, specified in appendix A to this section, as such firearms were manufactured on October 1, 1993;

                `(B) any firearm that--

                      `(i) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide action;

                      `(ii) has been rendered permanently inoperable; or

                      `(iii) is an antique firearm;

                `(C) any semiautomatic rifle that cannot accept a detachable magazine that holds more than 5 rounds of ammunition; or

                `(D) any semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than 5 rounds of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine.

    There are some details later that explicitly prohibit a few things (AR's, magazines that attach outside the grip, etc).  It also bans nationwide high capacity magazines, which are defined as:

             
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       (A) means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device manufactured after the date of enactment of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition; but

                `(B) does not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.'.

    Fortunately this bill has been sitting in committee since July with no major sponsors, so it isn't terribly likely to go anywhere at this point.

    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:h.r.06257:

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    « Reply #12 on: November 14, 2008, 04:26:49 pm »
    The way I read that bill (and I am by no means a lawyer), it is fairly tame.
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    `(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the possession or transfer of any semiautomatic assault weapon otherwise lawfully possessed under Federal law on the date of the enactment of this subsection.
    I understand that to mean any weapon legal now will be legal then, just no new production?

    It does say any duplicate or copy of the Colt AR-15, which is pretty much any AR-15 is define as a semi-auto AW. But it gives you the ability to have two AW features instead of the one of some of the bills.

    And it has a sunset. And it isn't going anywhere right now.  ;D
    So yeah, it would be bad, but not as bad as the 1994 ban.
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    « Reply #13 on: November 14, 2008, 04:31:54 pm »
    Yeah, at this point it isn't likely to go anywhere.  It's been in committee a while and doesn't have a lot of support, so I wouldn't worry about it.
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    « Reply #14 on: November 14, 2008, 10:35:29 pm »
    Maybe...but whats up with Peace Day. It's like the '60's exploaded on the capitol building. Oh, and the peace education through all levels of our education system.
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    « Reply #15 on: November 14, 2008, 10:50:51 pm »



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    Re: This is sooooo nauseating.
    « Reply #16 on: November 15, 2008, 12:09:39 am »
    Quote from: Thernlund on November 14, 2008, 10:50:51 pm



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    Re: This is sooooo nauseating.
    « Reply #17 on: November 15, 2008, 03:14:39 am »
    'nuff said.
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