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THERE'S GOT TO BE AN ELEPHANT IN HERE SOMEWHERE
« on: November 08, 2008, 09:03:19 pm »
THERE'S GOT TO BE AN ELEPHANT IN HERE SOMEWHERE     
Written by Dr. Jack Wheeler     
Friday, 07 November 2008 

Ronald Reagan was fond of describing the ultimate optimist as a young boy happily digging through a huge pile of horse manure while yelling, "There's got to be a pony in here somewhere!"

So after six weeks in Eastern Europe, Central Asia, and 7,000 kilometers overland across Chinese Turkestan, I've returned to Washington and the biggest pile of political manure in the history of America.  I can't help thinking that Ronald Reagan would say, "There's got to be an elephant in there somewhere."

First, though, let's dispense with two alleged "silver linings" to this debacle.  Both are stupefyingly naïve. 

One is that this election "heals" the wound of racism and the legacy of slavery, so that nevermore can Sharpton-type race hustlers claim that America is an incurably racist nation.

This is delusionary.  Accusations of racism are going to increase, not vanish.  The left's mantra going into this election was that the only possible reason for not voting for NMP was racism.  Yet roughly 47% of voters or about 57 million voted for McCain instead.  That's 57 million racists!  Racism is still a massive, gigantic problem haunting America's soul, it is still America's Original Sin - and every failure of NMP and the Dems running Congress can be blamed on it.

The real racial problem in today's America is of course anti-white racism:  racial hatred of  whites by many blacks, racial hatred of white liberals by themselves (what I call auto-racism).  This election is going to inflame both.

Does anyone not terminally naïve believe that Rev. Jeremiah "God Damn America" Wright is going start loving and forgiving white folks now?  Or that Teddy Kennedy-type liberals are going to cast aside all feelings of liberal guilt and stop apologizing for their and America's existence?

Equally delusionary is the belief by "anti-war" libertarians that this election means the end of "foreign military adventurism" by the US military.

Of all people, libertarians ought to know that socialist/fascist authoritarian governments start or cause most all wars.  Yet they are so incapable of being pro-US military that they actually think NMP will get us into fewer military interventions than Bush.

There will be more "military adventurism," not less, with NMP.  The difference is the standard, the justification.  With Bush, it was what he believed were America's critical national security interests; with NMP, the opposite.

NMP's standard will be to never under any circumstances if he can possibly avoid it use our military to actually defend our country and its security.  He will use every opportunity to use our military and risk our soldiers' lives for "humanitarian" international causes that have nothing to do with our security interests.

Darfur would be a good example.  There is hardly anyplace on earth more irrelevant to America than the empty wasteland of western Sudan, no place less worth risking American soldiers' lives for.  And just for those reasons, that is the sort of place NMP will place our soldiers in harm's way.

To even begin to find the elephant, we have to confront the reality of the pile in which it may be.  There are no silver linings to this pile of manure.  It is a disaster, far greater than any before, of FDR, LBJ, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton. 

For the first time ever, we have an Anti-American President, a man who deeply believes in his preacher's sermons of God Damn America hate, who now has access to every classified military and intelligence secret our government possesses, and will use it to sell America down the river to every enemy this country has.  That's for openers.

So where's the elephant?  It's what's left of the Republican Party.  Bush's oxymoronic "compassionate conservatism" has been completely discredited.  Squishes in the GOP Congressional leadership like Roy Blunt have stepped aside for real conservatives like Mike Pence and Eric Cantor.  Chairmanship of the Republican National Committee may go to either Newt Gingrich or Michael Steele.  Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal are now the leaders of the party and the conservative movement as a whole.

This election may achieve the well-deserved death of one elephant - moderate, country-club, candy-ass Republicanism - plus the revival of another that advocates conservative values and laissez-faire capitalism without reservation.

The only way to achieve this is to (a) focus our energies on making sure the moderate elephant stays dead and the conservative one is nurtured, and (b) let NMP and the Dems in Congress fail.

Which means make no effort to ameliorate or moderate Dem tax and regulation policies, letting them free to do as much damage as they can.  For socialism isn't just immoral, it doesn't work.  Left alone without any Republican protection, the Dems are going to keep digging us deeper into the very deep economic hole we are already in.

Just like a drunk has to hit bottom before he admits he's a drunk, so voters must face the full consequences of their vote for NMP before they can admit their folly.

The key is that Republicans must not in any way cooperate with or be accomplices to the folly.  Only then, when Dem failure is complete, can Palin, Jindal, Gingrich, and Pence provide the solution of true economic freedom.

If you want to be involved politically, be "effective" as Joel Wade is advocating, here is where to do so.  And TTP will be providing insights and specific ways to help you in this regard.

More importantly, though, TTP's purpose will be to assist you in evading the folly, in preserving your freedom and pocketbook.  The more I look out into the world, the more places and ways I see where you can do this.  I am going to devoting a significant amount of my energy from now on to discovering these places and ways and sharing the info with you.

We can and we will survive this.  Freedom and prosperity in America are going to be set back as never before.  But the nightmare will end, the damage repaired.  And in the meantime, I am going to do all I can to see that your personal freedom and prosperity isn't set back.

A majority of Americans went suicidally crazy this week.  We must let their mass hysteria run its course while we protect ourselves.  Their hysteria will destroy many of them.  It will not destroy us.  We will survive and we will prosper regardless.  That's the elephant.
"Optimism doesn't alter the laws of physics" T'Pol

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    Re: THERE'S GOT TO BE AN ELEPHANT IN HERE SOMEWHERE
    « Reply #1 on: November 08, 2008, 09:11:58 pm »
    Well, if that ain't just a rosy picture........
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    « Reply #2 on: November 08, 2008, 10:10:43 pm »
    No, not very rosy, but painting a turd red doesn't make it a strawberry. This picture is what we face.

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    « Reply #3 on: November 08, 2008, 10:52:10 pm »
      It sure stinks real bad. It is not so rosey.  What does NMP sand for or refering to?
    « Last Edit: November 08, 2008, 11:12:55 pm by Mrs. Armoredman »
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    « Reply #4 on: November 09, 2008, 12:03:06 am »
    My wild guess: he's referring to Barack Obama as "Not My President." I wonder what "TTP" stands for.
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    « Reply #5 on: November 09, 2008, 12:09:31 am »
     That makes since. Yes what does TTP stand for?
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    « Reply #6 on: November 09, 2008, 05:46:25 am »
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    Just like a drunk has to hit bottom before he admits he's a drunk, so voters must face the full consequences of their vote for NMP before they can admit their folly.
    They will never admit to anything.  The Dems will be blaming Bush for the next 20 years and their followers will say "Amen!"
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    « Reply #7 on: November 09, 2008, 10:56:15 am »
    Resoluteness in times of great danger is essential to staving off defeatism; it goes some distance in explaining why Britain withstood the Nazi onslaught in 1940 and France did not.

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    « Reply #8 on: November 09, 2008, 11:17:55 am »
    I really enjoyed that article, but I'm not as optimistic as the author.  If the parties had to make it on their own steam, then he'd be right.  However, the media will be complicit with the dems in blaming Republicans/conservatism for each and every failure.  Those who voted the NMP will never see the light.  It was plenty bright before the election, and they didn't see it. 

    The Dems/libs. KNOW They have the media in their collective pocket.  That's why they want Fairness Doctrine - squash what remains of the conservative message. 

    And the true right will be silenced further.  Within a year or two, they will be taking money out of OUR pockets and giving it DIRECTLY to the UN (I know we already pay the bills for it, but this will be a direct tax to help "stop poverty").  I live in Minnesota, where we just... I'm not even kidding here... passed a sales tax to fund art. 

    Redistribution of wealth and venemous attack upon any and all conservative thought and discourse is the new center.  Total Communism and the collection of your guns and hard-drives is the new left. 

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    « Reply #9 on: November 10, 2008, 01:06:49 am »
    No, electing a (half) black man as president won't stop the real whiners, but there are some on the fence who before might have agreed, and now might tell them to shove off.

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    « Reply #10 on: November 10, 2008, 01:33:13 am »
    Being one of the libertarians that wasn't suckered into a vote for Obama as a vote against military adventurism (honestly, I know no libertarian who did, but then I hang in the right-wing corner), I will say that, IMO, the situation has gone critical.
    I will end my statement there, because it is my opinion that continuing it would only lead to hate and discontent between members of this board.
    But I think we're going down a bad, bad road, folks.
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    « Reply #11 on: November 10, 2008, 04:53:16 pm »
    TTP is for his blog/newswire  "To the Point News"...    See  www.tothepointnews.com..

    A truly interesting character..   A lot of people listen to him because he's quite often been very accurate..

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    « Reply #12 on: November 10, 2008, 05:43:57 pm »
    TTP is for his blog/newswire  "To the Point News"...    See  www.tothepointnews.com..

    A truly interesting character..   A lot of people listen to him because he's quite often been very accurate..

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      Thank you for the link and the meaning of the initials. I will check it out. Thanks again.
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    « Reply #13 on: November 10, 2008, 08:38:20 pm »
    Another Libertarian here and the OP is pretty much writing what I have been thinking but not as well thought out as he posted it.  I hear a lot of moaning and groaning about all of our weapons being taken and the constitution being put in storage for the immediate future right after the inauguration and I don't buy that.  It takes more than a single man and a willing congress to amend or eliminate the constitution but it isn't going to be good.  I won't wave the yellow flag of surrender or needless panic but I am going to watch and react to every proposed change that would further restrict our rights or lead us towards socialism with letters and calls.  I might go but I won't go quietly. 
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    « Reply #14 on: November 10, 2008, 10:04:01 pm »
    Plus one, Old Grump.
    Oh, wait, karma button!
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    « Reply #15 on: November 11, 2008, 11:52:24 am »
    I wish more people were like Old Grump. 

    Also, last night on Hardball, the toe-head said that Republican voters DIDN'T turn out.

    We need to start handing out head-biffs to folks who didn't roll out for the right candidate.   :cuss
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    « Reply #16 on: November 11, 2008, 12:20:03 pm »
    Head biffs?  Explain.  Is that the smack on the back of the head(usually administered at 4 or 8 o'clock), or the Homer Simpson forehead shot?  Iprefer to dole them out in the proper manner. ;D
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    « Reply #17 on: November 11, 2008, 12:31:10 pm »
    The back of the head.  However, the Homer technique works too. 
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    « Reply #18 on: November 13, 2008, 04:32:02 pm »
    I do have to disagree about Darfur, I do think we have a moral obligation to go there, more so than Iraq.  When genocide is being committed, we have to go in.  Remember, it was the Clinton administration that created the term "Racial Cleansing" in order to bypass the need to intervene in case of genocide.  I don't thin foreign military involvement will decrease under Obama, but Darfur should be one one of them.
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    « Reply #19 on: November 15, 2008, 11:35:34 am »
    re: Darfur - I find it amazing that you have a renegade army of hard core Islamic supremacists engaging in rape, mutilation and murder, and yet they aren't bad enough to warrant even a shot across the bow. 

    I know one war at a time should be the plan, but...

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    « Reply #20 on: November 15, 2008, 03:37:21 pm »
    Sorry this is sort of long. I have been doing a lot of thinking lately and for what ever reason decided that now was a good time to put a lot of it out, hopefully in one choarent rant...

    Well if you ask me the republicans can put the blame squarely on themselves for this mess, they have no one else to blame. I used to consider myself a republican, now I have pretty much nothing but contempt for the party. Ironically though as much as I think it is one of the biggest problems this country faces I also think it is the best hope of fixing this country when all is said and done.

    The way I see it the party is stupid, really really stupid, at least at the leader ship level. Under Bush they had a republican president and, for what was it, six years both houses of congress too? They could have and should have been able to pass all kinds of reforms based on the parties so called principles of smaller government. Instead the exact opposite happened, they didn't balance the budget, much less cut the size of government. They instead spent like drunken sailors. Ok fine you had a war to wage after 9-11 I get that, that is going to be some of it but, even discounting that they still spent like crazy and increased the size of the government immensely. Also such wonder full legislation was passed on their watch like, campaign finance reform, no child left behind and for better or worse the patriot act, just to name a few. By my estimation the republicans spent like drunken sailors and increased the size and scope of government while curtailing our freedoms. Yeah just great coming from a party that is supposed to do and says they stand for the exact opposite. Then there was the massive protests against such unpopular things like amnesty and the Dubai ports deal that both nearly went though over massive objections from the public. To me it became rather apparent that the republican party at least in the places where it matters most had contempt for the base and what every one else thought. We know better than you and this is what we are going to do weather you like it or not seemed to be the attitude of the Bush administration. What was that rumored quote from Bush? Stop throwing the constitution in my face, it's just a god damned piece of paper. I don't know if he said that but, rumor was he did. In the end I guess it doesn't mater if he said it or not, that seemed to the way his administration looked at things.

    It should have been apparent to the republican leadership, at least it was apparent to me, that the base was pissed. In the 2006 election they lost control of congress. I think it was over a back lash from what they had, or perhaps more importantly hadn't accomplished while holding the reins of power for 6 years. For a party that was supposed to stand for limited government it was a squandered opportunity. It could have and should have been a wake up call to the party at this point to change their ways, or they were going to keep losing as voters didn't bother to go show up and vote for their failure to follow the desires of the base. Instead what did they go do? They spent even more money that the government doesn't have. They ran a dismal and I mean dismal campaign for the presidency. Come on is the best the republicans could put forth for the presidency is the likes of Mitt Romney? How in the world do you even begin to consider him a conservative? Just because he has an R next to his name and in liberal Massachusetts he is considered conservative? Same goes for Rudy Giuliani, at least in his case though you could say he had shown good leadership in the city hardest hit during 9-11. Then you had Ron Paul, who while I would have loved to see as president, scoffed at by every one including his own party. You had Fred Thompson who while I wasn't thrilled with as a choice was at least better than most the others by far at that point. At least the base liked him, to bad he didn't seem as interested in the job as the base was in him taking it. Then you had Huckabee who I guess wasn't all that bad, compared to some of the others. In the end though John McCain was chosen. How that one happened I am still trying to figure out, a man who had spent most of the last couple of years just pissing of the republicans was now chosen as it's leader...

    At this point it became fairly clear that the republicans had learned nothing at all from the 2006 election results. In fact if it was at all possible they might even be getting worse. Is that possible? Well apparently so because just when I though John McCain might be changing and getting smarter he blew it. Choosing Sara Palin was a brilliant move on McCain's part by my estimation. It made up for where he was lacking. It made the conservative base of the party take him seriously. For a brief time it even made me consider voting for McCain. My fear though that he chose here as a token to appease the base though I think proved true.

    Enter the finical crisis. McCain halts his campaign in a vigorous attempt to ram a bail out package though congress over the massive and vocal objections of the American public. Well McCain you just lost my vote. Obama was bad, bad enough I would even consider voting for you since you chose Sara Palin as a running mate. You just proved to me how ever that you didn't change at all. Then they passed the bail out at the urging of Bush. Yep the republicans have learned nothing and are getting stupider all the time. I can't believe they did that and all of about 6 weeks before an election, it wasn't like the American public was going to forget this one. Well actually I take that back I can believe it, not much surprises me any more.

    Come election day 2008 surprise, surprise, McCain lost. The republicans also lost even further in congress. And I don't think the leadership has any clue of why they are losing traction. I think it is a complete mystery to them. They should have figured it out by now. If you don't listen to the base of your party, they won't show up and vote for you. I truly believe this reach out to the middle and capture the undecided, independent and moderate voters is a load of crap. It isn't how elections are won. Those people don't care and as a result don't vote a lot. That is why they are independent, they haven't voted, there for haven't chosen a side. They are undecided because they don't care or don't follow things or are so feed up with both sides they don't vote. Since they don't vote on one side or the other they are touted as moderates, for being in the middle, no they just are in the middle by default since they haven't voted at all. No the way I think you win is convince your supporters that you are worth getting out and voting for. The republicans are having a hard time convincing there base of that by ignoring them and doing the opposite of what they promised so many years ago when Clinton was president. It was those promises that got them in power and instead they simultaneously turned there back on those promises and their base. It is only due to a lack of a better alternative that this race was as close as it was. Still I don't think they get it. It seems to me that Sara Palin has been taking a lot of crap even after the election is over. Which I find disheartening considering her popularity with the base. Yeah I still don't think the party leadership has a clue.

    Looking to the horizon I think it is dark and bleak. The leadership has no idea why it is loosing, so it won't change it's ways. You think things were bad now when they did all this with a republican controlled federal government? Wait until they support the same things but, the democrats are the ones coming up with the plans. Oh now it gets good, you just know the democrats are going to push about every socialist and communist agenda they can think of from, universal health care, redistribution of wealth, carbon credits, gun control, the fairness doctrine, more bailouts, taking your 401k, amnesty, and of coursed increased taxes just to name a few. With the exception of tax increases, and the fairness doctrine I think the republicans will go right along with the democrats on all this. Sadly once the damage is done I don't ever see it being undone. Very few things are as perminate as a government program, rights once lost are very seldom given back with out bloodshed.

    How to turn back this tide, is the question I have been asking myself for years now. As I look for answers I see very few out there. At this point in time I would like to see a viable third party out there. One like the constitution party. Which party it is I guess doesn't much matter any more than who leads it as long as it could and actually would fix things and bring us back to our constitutional government instead of this slide to socialism that we have now. The problem is while I think they are gaining in popularity they are still a meager minority. Not only that the third parties are fractured, there is on one party that stands out above the others. They are a small collection of differing parties all with different views and concerns. Also the vote for the lesser of two evils crowd isn't helping either, you know the line, a voter for candidate (insert what ever third party candidate here) is a vote for Obama people. Attitudes like that are exactly why the republican leadership can keep putting up crap candidates and they often win because, as bad as they are often the democrat is far worse. End result is the slide toward socialism we have now it is just slower.

    The next way I could see this ending is the whole house of cards collapses. Personally I don't want to see this happen, this alternative is so horrifying to my creative imagination I don't even want to venture there. I can think of a million and one scenarios....
    All of them bad.
    Yeah lets not go there if we can help it. Sadly I think these bail outs may have sealed the fate of this country. Time will tell I guess, if we have to rebuild though I sure hope we show the same wisdom and courage that out founding fathers showed.

    Despite all its failings though I ironically think that the republican party sill is the best hope of salvaging this country. It certainly (at least on paper) is more likely to support a return to a smaller and less intrusive government, with more freedom. It would be easier to fix the republicans than build a third party up pretty much from scratch. The voters are there for one instead of having to convert voters to a new party. Also the organizational support teams are there where they are very meager in third parties. You also get the media coverage, where third parties are often not even mentioned in the news. I was actually talking to a friend not so long ago who was completely unaware of the fact you could vote for some one other than a republican or a democrat by writing some one in. Perhaps most off all though you would be competing against only one major obstacle to fixing things, the democrats. Where if you were starting a third party you would have to go toe to toe with the two huge contenders the republican and the democrats parties. Also in most cases to fix things you would probably find the majority of people who would side with you in the republican party right now. The way I see it the best hope is to get people in the republican party who are serious about fixing things and it isn't just more lip service with them.

    Please don't be discouraged with all the doom and gloom I posted earlier. Despite it all I see some small rays of hope out there. The country for one now knows about Sara Palin. Before this election out side of Alaska very few could have told you who she was. I think if the system doesn't change her she could do lots of good. It was pretty clear to me that conservatives liked her a lot. Also in the primary Ron Paul ran. I was rather happy to see that, granted his campaign got pretty much no where but it did get his supporters to come out of the wood works. Now think what you may of Ron Paul and or his supporters but, there were a lot of them. How many Ron Paul signs did you see during the primaries? I saw a lot, I still see cars with his bumper stickers fairly often. Granted a lot of his supporters were sort of nuts (a lot of the reason I think his campaign didn't do as well as it could have) but, you have a big chunk of people here who like me are concerned about the constitution and the direction this country is going. He got them out, I think it will be hard to shut them up again. Also I have the feeling that this Obama presidency will make Jimmy Carter look like he knew what he was doing. The democratic leadership in congress has got to be the biggest collection of incompetent bumbling fools ever to serve. I wouldn't be surprised if the democrats get a similar back lash against them in 4 years similar to what started with the republicans in 2006.

    There is a significant difference though when it comes to the democrats. First and foremost I think they won't be facing a back lash from their base. After all a lot of their base wants more of this welfare, socialism and such. That is why they got voted in. So if they deliver on these promises, I wouldn't look at there base getting mad at them like the republican base got made at their party. How ever when or if the democrats push all this, I would expect a back lash against them from the republicans. If, if the party learns, they put people up who will try there best to fix things and turn back the tide not just talk the talk but, walk the walk as well, I think you could get the conservatives out in mass. Also I think many of the policies of Bush and the recent congress will trash this economy like few can comprehend right now. I would expect a lot of people to be looking for a way out of this mess very soon. I don't think the democrats will be able to deliver that, socialism and communism it has failed every time its been tried. I don't expect this to the exception.

    These will be the keys, the republicans will have to not only make the case, but, convince the people that socialism fails every time it is tried. This could very will be easy to do when all these policies come home to roost. The republicans will have to have something better to offer though, more of the same old ball and chain won't cut it. Well the good news is this country was built on the constitution, it worked for a very long time, it wasn't until we stopped following it that it stopped working. The solution is already there. The difficulty will be in convincing there people they are serious this time and it isn't just more broken promises. I think people in general are becoming very cynical about politicians, they are rapidly losing all credibility and, rightfully so. Just look at congresses approval ratings and, you though Bush's were bad. They will have to have some credibility left if they are to make their case. The time to do that is coming soon by opposing Obama's policies. They will have to get on this train fast though or they will miss it. If they do that though and the democrats push stuff though any ways they have a good chance. When not, if this house of cards built on socialism fails, then they can say we opposed it and, now you know why. Look at the failure it is, lets go back to what worked before. Hopefully by then voters will have wised up to the failure that socialism is and what caused it and, be willing to take the difficult steps to fix this mess.
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    « Reply #21 on: November 15, 2008, 11:04:32 pm »
     RE: Darfur
       Sorry, but I don't see the logic in dropping American soldiers into some Godforsaken place yet again where the local tribes - which the soldier won't be able to tell apart - have spent years hacking each other to pieces with machetes for.... what purpose exactly? Help out the 'good guys'? Which tribe would that be? Huutus? Tutsis? Who's turn is it to chop up the other one this time? Make them all play nice and get along? Won't happen. It would be Somalia all over again. Just because we've done it before doesn't mean we should keep making the same stupid mistake again.
       Soldiers take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. I don't recall seeing anything in there about promising to go to some Hell hole and getting killed because the locals can't manage their differences without resorting to demostrating Ginsu products on each other.
       Marine Corp Does Not Equal Peace Corp!
       The military should be trained and equipped to do 2 things:
      1)Kill people.
      2)Dramatically blowing [stuff] up
       If there aren't clearly defined people who need to be killed and clearly designated [stuff] that needs to get blown up then we don't need to be sending in the military. Do everything we can diplomatically but I don't see sending in the troops. Troops go in after the diplomats have failed and there is an immediate and overpowering American interest that is important enough to sacrifice the lives of our own citizens to protect it.
      I just don't see that in Darfur.

        As for the election, the Republicans painted themselves into a corner. For the last several election cycles I believe the country has voted for the guy they hated the least. Everyone got tired of that. In a flash of insight the Democrats ran someone positive for once, someone people could feel giddy - no matter how unreasonably -voting for. The Republicans yet again ran some guy they hoped would be less offensive than whomever the Dem's would run. They were wrong and they got stomped. Let's hope they learn and that there's not too much of a mess when the next election rolls around.

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    « Reply #22 on: November 15, 2008, 11:20:16 pm »
    True, the situation in Darfur has not reached the boiling point where we need to send in troops yet, but if it does, we have the moral responsiblity to go.  Fear of "another somalia black hawk down" kind of thing was what kept the US from stopping the genocide in the Sudan in the 90's and the ones commiting it were peasants with machetes.  All reports say that a handful of troops could have stopped millions from dying.  Darfur is a little different and much more complicated.  One thing does make it a little easier.  The "Arab" north is seperated from the African south by a large stretch of barren no-man's-land.  Park a battalion there and that would stop a full out war between the to major sides. That's if war look unavoidable.
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