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Taliban winning the war?
« on: October 24, 2008, 11:41:10 am »
Taliban winning the war
MAX HASTINGS: ANALYSIS - Oct 23 2008 06:00
While most of the world spent last weekend trembling for its wealth, in Afghanistan the Taliban busied themselves dying in quite large numbers, during an ill-advised assault on Helmand's provincial capital, Lashkar Gar. About 50 insurgents were killed, for no loss to Nato and Afghan security forces.

This fits the war's pattern. Almost every time the Taliban fights a battle, it loses to overwhelming firepower. Unfortunately, such Western successes are strategically meaningless. Nato is absent from vast areas of this intractable country, where the insurgents prosper. There is greater gloom about the conflict than at any time since the Taliban was ousted in 2001.

I spent a week in Afghanistan in September, and was shocked by the deterioration since my last visit, two years ago. The British army, which justly prides itself on its "can-do" philosophy, has been sobered by recent experience. Its casualties are acceptable within a context of progress. But they become dismaying against a background of growing Taliban influence and slumping confidence in the Kabul government.

President George W Bush has decreed an American troop "surge" in Afghanistan. About 10 000 additional troops will be committed under General David Petraeus, the Iraqi "miracle worker" who now runs United States Central Command.

Petraeus, the most impressive soldier the US has produced since Colin Powell, is a clever and charismatic leader who might one day emerge as a presidential candidate. But he is well aware that Afghanistan is not Iraq. It is a far more primitive society, whose people find it hard to perceive the merits of any central government -- least of all one as corrupt as President Hamid Karzai's -- and which is now trapped in a narco-economy.

It is almost impossible for Westerners, military and civilian alike, to engage with Afghans. Almost none speak the language. It is only possible to travel outside heavily fortified bases in helicopters or armoured vehicles. Afghan gratitude for the creation of a few schools and hospitals is outweighed by the simple fact that, in a diplomat's words: "Seven years ago most of the population felt safe. Now they don't."

He added brutally: "The British army has been irresponsible in suggesting that it could do the business in Helmand. We should never have taken it on. It's much more than we can handle.''

The only bright spot in an overwhelmingly dark picture is the growing effectiveness of the Afghan army. Its troops are fighting well, as Afghans usually do, whoever they happen to be shooting at. Smart Westerners argue that we should abandon any notion that Nato can win this war with its own troops, instead concentrating on helping Afghans to defend their own government -- if they are willing.

The Kabul regime is pitifully short of credible people to run the country.

I met Barna Karimi, the deputy local government minister, a 34-year-old former exile who spent 17 years in California before returning here to work for Karzai. Unsurprisingly, he talks the language of US business schools: "We have developed a strategic framework," he says. "We are constantly evaluating the performance of our governors and district governors. We have formulated a social outreach programme which revives the traditional role of the community. You guys" -- he means Westerners, of course -- "don't have the problem of lacking a system. I am trying to create a system without qualified people."

Listening to this fluent but unmistakably Californian young social engineer, parachuted into Afghanistan from an unimaginably alien culture, I found it impossible to believe that Afghans relate to him as one of themselves.

The newish governor of Helmand, Gulab Mangal, is much more convincing. He is 52 years old and a former commissar in the Afghan army in Russian times; he was a businessman and ruler of two other provinces before he was transferred to Helmand during the summer. The British are much in love with Mangal, whom they perceive as one of the country's only honest and able officials. Their enthusiasm is dangerous, however. It feeds Karzai's morbid suspicions of him as a prospective rival.

When I told Mangal how much his efforts are admired, he said wryly: "Nobody in Kabul seems to appreciate them." He acknowledges that more than half of Helmand is today under Taliban control. "When government can't deliver," he said, "people think it better to have no government. We need to convince people that we are working for them. If we cannot do that, it would be better to go."

I found it easy to understand why foreigners are so impressed by Mangal's poise and courage. There are few people in Afghanistan whom more people want to kill. Every time he goes out to walk in a bazaar, there is a real chance that he will come back dead.

The British are desperately impatient for the impending US change of government. They believe that an Obama presidency will recognise the impossibility of military solutions in Afghanistan. It might throw its weight behind finding a substitute for Karzai and talking a way out of this shambles.

Simon Jenkins has said from the outset that the Afghan war is unwinnable. I have always shared his dismay about Western blundering. Yet it seems to me that we must keep trying, though the odds against success are greater than ever. It is futile to escalate the Nato troop commitment. The only slender chance of stabilising Afghanistan lies in sustaining military and economic aid for Afghans to help themselves.

The highest aspiration must be for controlled warlordism, not conventional democracy. A civil war may prove an essential preliminary before some crude equilibrium between factions can be achieved. If this sounds a wretched prognosis, it is hard to find informed Westerners with higher expectations. -- © Guardian News & Media 2008

Source: Mail & Guardian Online
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For 10,000 years, the sharp stick was the most deadly weapon on the battlefield.  It's design was refined and continues in use today in Iraq and Afghanistan as the bayonet.

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    Re: Taliban winning the war?
    « Reply #1 on: October 24, 2008, 03:16:05 pm »
    Who is this max hastings? Where is he getting his info from? He just seems to like bashing the British with these comments. It remind me when we had yanks who were preaching to us the British how to deal with terroism when we have been living with it for years with the bloody IRA, even they have been better terroist than the taliban, they couldnt even bomb glasgow airport instead just setting them selfs on fire.
    There is greater gloom about the conflict than at any time since the Taliban was ousted in 2001.
    they have said this for last few years its the same old drivell from some jurno. Irwin


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    Max Hastings
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Born December 28, 1945 (1945-12-28) (age 62)
    United Kingdom
    Residence United Kingdom
    Nationality British
    Occupation Journalist, editor, historian, author
    Sir Max Hastings, FRSL (born December 28, 1945) is a British journalist, editor, historian and author. He is the son of Macdonald Hastings, the noted British journalist and war correspondent, and Anne Scott-James, sometime editor of Harper's Bazaar.

    Life and career
    Hastings was educated at Charterhouse School and University College, Oxford, which he left after a year. He became a foreign correspondent and reported from more than sixty countries and eleven wars for BBC television and for the Evening Standard in London. After ten years as editor and then editor-in-chief of The Daily Telegraph he returned to the Evening Standard as editor in 1996 until his retirement in 2001. He received a knighthood in 2002.

    He has presented historical documentaries for BBC TV, and is the author of many books, including Bomber Command which earned the Somerset Maugham Award for non-fiction in 1980. Both Overlord and The Battle for the Falklands won the Yorkshire Post Book of the Year Prize.

    He is a Fellow of the Royal Society of Literature and was President of the Campaign to Protect Rural England from 2002-2007.

    He currently writes a column for the Daily Mail but often contributes articles to other publications such as The Guardian and The New York Review of Books.

    The chapter in his 2007 book Retribution: The Battle for Japan, 1944-45 on Australia's role in the last year of the Pacific War was criticised by the Returned and Services League of Australia and one of the historians at the Australian War Memorial for exaggerating discontent in the Australian Army during this period.[1][2]

    "Optimism doesn't alter the laws of physics" T'Pol

    For 10,000 years, the sharp stick was the most deadly weapon on the battlefield.  It's design was refined and continues in use today in Iraq and Afghanistan as the bayonet.

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