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Russians Bombing in Syria
« on: September 30, 2015, 07:42:12 pm »


Supposedly these are the Free Syrian Army who we provided some training and equipment to. They claim that they were bombed by Russian jets.

That tone of voice says it all.

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    « Reply #1 on: September 30, 2015, 07:46:33 pm »
    They support Assad.  So the Rebels to them are the same as Terrorists.  We're supporting the Rebels, which puts us at odds.
    But who's right in this?
    Our Policy I think is wrong here.  Obama is doing the same thing Bush did - pushing for a regime change.  We don't need to do this again.  And considering our support has been going straight to the Taliban = We should be working WITH the Russians here. 
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    Re: Russians Bombing in Syria
    « Reply #2 on: September 30, 2015, 07:47:56 pm »
    We shouldn't be helping either side in this one. 
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    « Reply #3 on: September 30, 2015, 08:12:07 pm »
    Good.  Someone is going to take some aggressive action.  Finally.

    And you know what?  Syria is in Russia's back yard.  This is their ball to play.



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    Re: Russians Bombing in Syria
    « Reply #4 on: September 30, 2015, 08:18:10 pm »
    We shouldn't be helping either side in this one. 
    I disagree.  We should support the side that will do the most to promote regional stability.  That is Assad.

    Assad is a dictator, yet name a Middle Eastern country that does not have an iron man.  The people can not handle democracy just yet.  How many dictators have we supported the overthrow of?  Egypt...  Lybia...  Iraq...  Look where they all are now. 

    If Assad can control his people, he is the best of the bad options.



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    « Reply #5 on: September 30, 2015, 08:43:34 pm »
    "We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men."


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    Re: Russians Bombing in Syria
    « Reply #6 on: October 01, 2015, 07:13:36 am »
    Good.  Someone is going to take some aggressive action.  Finally.

    And you know what?  Syria is in Russia's back yard.  This is their ball to play.



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    Re: Russians Bombing in Syria
    « Reply #7 on: October 01, 2015, 11:31:44 am »
    The part I don't like...
    The Russian General only gave the US a 1 Hour warning to "Get out of the Airspace".

    Kind of a dick move on the part of Russia there. 
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    « Reply #8 on: October 01, 2015, 11:34:28 am »



    TU-22's?

    I find that interesting that they would use those in Syria.  I thought they were mainly for Stand Off attacks against the US Navy.   
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    « Reply #9 on: October 01, 2015, 01:17:46 pm »
    I thought they were mainly for Stand Off attacks against the US Navy.   
    I guess they want those guys in particular, to get some live fire training.  :hmm



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    « Reply #10 on: October 01, 2015, 01:18:25 pm »
    The part I don't like...
    The Russian General only gave the US a 1 Hour warning to "Get out of the Airspace".

    Kind of a dick move on the part of Russia there. 

    Try that with Reagan or even Clinton? No way. Obama? I'm only surprised it hasn't happened sooner and more often
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    « Reply #11 on: October 01, 2015, 01:25:48 pm »
    That is a power move to show who is in charge.  That is the way you talk to your b____, not your equal.  A perfect analogy for the current state of Russian-American relations.



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    « Reply #12 on: October 01, 2015, 08:37:06 pm »
    Yup, if the current administration found a pair somewhere they would have immediately had the Pentagon on the horn and informed the Russians that they WILL respect the presence of forces currently in theater or risk the loss of any offending aircraft and crews. Period. 

    That, of course, is not the world we currently inhabit.   :facepalm
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    « Reply #13 on: October 01, 2015, 10:48:50 pm »
    Yup, if the current administration found a pair somewhere...
    Breaking news: Obama's balls located!

    Unfortunately, he has been using them to set the tone of US foreign policy... :facepalm






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    « Reply #14 on: October 02, 2015, 07:58:03 pm »
    TU-22's?

    I find that interesting that they would use those in Syria.  I thought they were mainly for Stand Off attacks against the US Navy.   
    I found this in an article....
    "The Russian Defence Ministry said its Sukhoi-34, Sukhoi-24M and Sukhoi-25 warplanes had flown 18 sorties hitting targets that included a command post and a communications center in the province of Aleppo, a militant field camp in Idlib and a command post in Hama."

    Here's the link:
    http://news.yahoo.com/russian-jets-mount-air-strikes-syria-095758940.html
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    « Reply #15 on: October 03, 2015, 09:05:50 am »
    I can see the SU-24... yes. 
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    « Reply #16 on: October 03, 2015, 03:02:50 pm »
      I have the feeling that the airstrikes are preparatory in nature and that we're soon to see Syrian Gov't forces backed by Russian Naval Infantry forces taking ground in/around Homs and possibly Aleppo.
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    « Reply #17 on: October 04, 2015, 02:39:31 am »
    Well... Not so much, I don't think.  But it does put Russia in opposition to the US in terms of Policy. 
    Obama wants Regime Change and Russia wants to keep it the way it is.  So even though we are "On the Same Side", we're really not.  Russia want's Syria to stay the way it is and be Pro-Russian... giving Russia 2 Middle East allies instead of just 1, Iran.
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    « Reply #18 on: October 04, 2015, 09:18:47 am »
      Syria has already been a steady ally of Russia for 40 something years the Russians have leased a port (Tartus) since 1971-72. The Russians have now set up living quarters for a few companies of Iranian Marines at Latakia and Tartus. The Russians along with Iranian Marines, will conduct company sized (or larger) ground operations soon in support of the Assad regime.
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    « Reply #19 on: October 04, 2015, 09:55:28 am »
      "Russian air force using laser-guided KH-29L missiles in Syria": RIA news agency.
    http://news.yahoo.com/russian-air-force-using-laser-guided-kh-29l-095332769.html

    This article confirmed the use of Su-24 & Su-34 aircraft.
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    « Reply #20 on: October 04, 2015, 10:18:17 am »
      Syria has already been a steady ally of Russia for 40 something years the Russians have leased a port (Tartus) since 1971-72. The Russians have now set up living quarters for a few companies of Iranian Marines at Latakia and Tartus. The Russians along with Iranian Marines, will conduct company sized (or larger) ground operations soon in support of the Assad regime.
    I have already said it, but good for Russia.  Their leader is acting in the best interests of his country, and if he brings a bit of regional stability, the world.

    Should Russia not have their own regional allies.  The US has its share...  Israel, of course, but also Kuwait, Bahrain and Qatar who have all leased bases to our military.  Plus Saudi Arabia and Turkey, who are more or less friendly, depending on the time of the month...



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    « Reply #21 on: October 09, 2015, 02:31:09 pm »
    As a child of the Cold War it has felt decidedly weird rooting for the Russians in Syria.  It's surreal.  US foreign policy has been so screwed up for the past 20+ years it comes down to rooting for the Russians.  Sweet merciful crap the world has indeed turned upside down.
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      Here's a brief yet interesting story of Russian SOF troops in Syria.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-rambo-hero-kremlins-syria-campaign-buried-pomp-150905635.html



    MOSCOW (Reuters) - A special forces officer killed in Syria, nicknamed the Russian Rambo by state media, was buried on Friday in a blaze of publicity and pomp, with the Kremlin allowing blanket TV coverage as an exception for 25-year-old Alexander Prokhorenko.

    The senior lieutenant - whose media nickname refers to John Rambo, a fictional Vietnam veteran - had called in a strike on himself in March near Palmyra after being encircled by Islamist fighters, his commanders say.

    Russia has been keen to stress its role in helping the army in Syria retake the ancient Syrian city by providing air strikes guided by special forces troops like Prokhorenko but has at times been reluctant to admit its military losses there.

    It staged a concert in the city's Roman amphitheatre on Thursday evening to underscore its involvement.

    A school and a street are due to be named in Prokhorenko's honor and President Vladimir Putin posthumously gave him the Hero of Russia award, the country's highest military medal for his "courage and heroism".

    It took weeks to retrieve and identify Prokhorenko's body, and he was buried in his home village of Gorodki, about 1,200 km (750 miles) east of Moscow.

    "Kurdish militia squads took part in getting Alexander Prokhorenko's body out," a representative of the Syrian Kurds in Russia, Farkhad Patiev, told state TV at the funeral.

    "What he did was a great heroic deed. We need to always remember this."

    State TV showed a black coffin draped in a Russian flag with an officer's cap perched on top being carried by eight soldiers in full uniform with a guard of honor of five more servicemen.

    Army generals and Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu had paid their respects on Thursday, meeting Prokhorenko's parents at a Moscow airport before their son's body was flown to Gorodki.

    Prokhorenko, one of eight Russian soldiers whose death in Syria has been publicly admitted by the Russian government, served in the Special Operations Forces, a military unit extensively trained for clandestine missions abroad.

    Russia denies it has boots on the ground in Syria. It says Prokhorenko was directing Russian air strikes against Islamic State forces. Another officer from the unit, Fyodor Zhuravlyov, was killed in Syria in late November but his death was kept secret for four months.

    "He made the only right decision - a strike on himself," a villager watching the funeral procession told reporters.
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    « Reply #23 on: May 07, 2016, 02:53:11 pm »
    I saw that story a while back.  I can only hope that I would act as wisely in such a situation. 

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