Author Topic: Opinions on Trump Speech? (Read 11378 times)

MTK20 · « **on:** July 26, 2016, 12:42:54 pm »

Trumps acceptance speech. What did y'all think of it?

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An amendment, pushed by Lyndon Johnson, many years ago, threatens religious institutions with a loss of their tax-exempt status if they openly advocate their political views.
I am going to work very hard to repeal that language and protect free speech for all Americans.

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Grant · « **Reply #1 on:** July 26, 2016, 01:08:56 pm »

I haven't paid a great deal of attention, as my decisions already been made sadly enough.

That said, from the little excerpt you posted I support his opinion on that. It sounds as if that possible amendment could be used to force churches to follow the .gov's decision on gay marriage, towing the .gov line or losing their tax exempt status.

I'm not entirely sure churches should have tax exempt status to begin with, that said, I don't like the fact that there is a very real possibility, that a double standard would be enforced, where they could not practice their views without being penalized.

booksmart · « **Reply #2 on:** July 26, 2016, 03:52:59 pm »

I'm fine with churches having tax exempt status, so long as we can knock off the "God has told me he wants to run for President" nonsense...

Brings this to mind...

Kaso · « **Reply #3 on:** July 26, 2016, 04:17:27 pm »

Quote from: booksmart on July 26, 2016, 03:52:59 pm

I'm fine with churches having tax exempt status, so long as we can knock off the "God has told me he wants to run for President" nonsense...

First, don't knock conviction if you've never experienced it. If you have, you'll never knock it again. Doesn't mean the candidates need to advertise it, but that's their call.

Second, this is why I do not like churches having tax exempt status. It means that they are hindered from preaching their beliefs in the way they would otherwise. Churches should owe nothing to, nor receive anything from a government that is supposed to be detached from any one belief.

Churches can and should have separate, apolitical charity divisions, and these should most certainly be tax exempt.

booksmart · « **Reply #4 on:** July 26, 2016, 04:22:29 pm »

Organized religion has caused more problems on this planet than it has solved (and continues to!).

Kaso · « **Reply #5 on:** July 26, 2016, 04:27:21 pm »

To answer the OP, I agree with Trump and his assessment of our nation and world. I will say also, that Trump was not my first choice. Not even second or third... Yet when I start looking past his behavior, and toward his positions... He should have been my first choice. He is providing the needed service of dragging the GOP (kicking and screaming, I might add) toward the center on social issues, and at the same time taking unpopular yet 'common sense' positions on others.

Looking at it now, and being completely objective and honest, I believe that Donald Trump was the Best possible choice, out of any of the candidates from either party.

Kaso · « **Reply #6 on:** July 26, 2016, 04:28:10 pm »

Quote from: booksmart on July 26, 2016, 04:22:29 pm

Organized religion has caused more problems on this planet than it has solved (and continues to!).

Which is irrelevant. We weren't debating the merits of organized religion.

Chief45 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 26, 2016, 04:33:57 pm »

I was going to make a comment about atheism being an organized religion as well, but that might be seen as provocative, so I will refrain.

Quote from: booksmart on July 26, 2016, 04:22:29 pm

Organized religion has caused more problems on this planet than it has solved (and continues to!).

cpaspr · « **Reply #8 on:** July 26, 2016, 04:55:17 pm »

Quote from: Chief45 on July 26, 2016, 04:33:57 pm

I was going to make a comment about atheism being an organized religion as well, but that might be seen as provocative, so I will refrain.

Oh really? Passive aggressive much?

ksuguy · « **Reply #9 on:** July 26, 2016, 04:56:22 pm »

I don't know about organized, but for some people it definitely does serve as a religion. Including the zealotry and evangelism.

sqlbullet · « **Reply #10 on:** July 26, 2016, 04:58:23 pm »

Atheist aren't generally organized into a uniform group or congregation. And they don't subscribe to the concept of a superhuman controlling power. It may be appear as a well defined belief system, but it fails the litmus tests to be a religion.

MTK20 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 26, 2016, 05:08:00 pm »

Quote from: sqlbullet on July 26, 2016, 04:58:23 pm

Atheist aren't generally organized into a uniform group or congregation. And they don't subscribe to the concept of a superhuman controlling power. It may be appear as a well defined belief system, but it fails the litmus tests to be a religion.

In the same way that studies of Buddhism show it to not be a religion

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Guys $:-\$ , can we get back to Trump, our new fearless leader?

I highlighted that one quote as interesting about the religion, but my main concern is how he'll treat gun rights and how far he'll go with government security measures to "keep us watched and safe".

Kaso · « **Reply #12 on:** July 26, 2016, 05:13:16 pm »

And look at us. We got just as derailed as if we had let booksmart redirect the conversation. Thanks. $:-\$

MTK20 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 26, 2016, 05:17:02 pm »

Quote from: Kaso on July 26, 2016, 05:13:16 pm

And look at us. We got just as derailed as if we had let booksmart redirect the conversation. Thanks. $:-\$

You're welcome

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For the record I liked the writing of the speech, I felt it was decent.

Although we've heard too many like this one before and I'm cynical to see everything become right with the world just cos one man got elected.

sqlbullet · « **Reply #14 on:** July 26, 2016, 05:29:03 pm »

Quote from: MTK20 on July 26, 2016, 05:08:00 pm

In the same way that studies of Buddhism show it to not be a religion .

Guys $:-\$ , can we get back to Trump, our new fearless leader?

Nice... Take a potshot at what I said, then say we are off topic and shouldn't talk about that anymore. Talk about passive aggressive.

MTK20 · « **Reply #15 on:** July 26, 2016, 05:33:36 pm »

Quote from: sqlbullet on July 26, 2016, 05:29:03 pm

Nice... Take a potshot at what I said, then say we are off topic and shouldn't talk about that anymore. Talk about passive aggressive.

That wasn't a potshot, I was saying that it was irrelevant (as was my fact about Buddhism).

Gentleman, we are gathered in this thread today to discuss politics. And that is a topic that is about as godless as one can get

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All I wanted to do was cut through the BS and discuss Trump

. We are getting past the campaign stage and soon we will start to see how he's really going to act. I wanted opinions on how others see things shaping up.

Follow Kaso's lead, he did it right:

Quote from: Kaso on July 26, 2016, 04:27:21 pm

To answer the OP, I agree with Trump and his assessment of our nation and world. I will say also, that Trump was not my first choice. Not even second or third... Yet when I start looking past his behavior, and toward his positions... He should have been my first choice. He is providing the needed service of dragging the GOP (kicking and screaming, I might add) toward the center on social issues, and at the same time taking unpopular yet 'common sense' positions on others.

Looking at it now, and being completely objective and honest, I believe that Donald Trump was the Best possible choice, out of any of the candidates from either party.

Chief45 · « **Reply #16 on:** July 26, 2016, 05:49:05 pm »

Ask again in a year. I might have an answer by then.

for now, it's all political BS, smoke and mirrors.

MTK20 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 26, 2016, 06:07:33 pm »

Quote from: Chief45 on July 26, 2016, 05:49:05 pm

Ask again in a year. I might have an answer by then.

for now, it's all political BS, smoke and mirrors.

See, that's fine too

.

I didn't completely fall for his speech myself, but my stance has changed a little bit. I was going to purposefully not vote this year, but... Maybe I will vote for Trump instead of Hillary. Who knows?

booksmart · « **Reply #18 on:** July 26, 2016, 06:21:00 pm »

To get us back on topic (sorry, jeez...): I think he's a narcissistic blowhard with delusions of grandeur, who has no idea what the fluff he's going to do if he actually makes it into office, other than see how many times he can derail investigations currently ongoing into his dealings.

In other words, my opinion of him after the speech is about the same as my opinion of him before the speech, it's now simply reinforced.

Grant · « **Reply #19 on:** July 26, 2016, 06:29:23 pm »

I'd say this thread in itself is a good look at the VAST....gap of the interpretation of each sides beliefs and motivations.

I don't think Trump will be any better or worse president than most, however give him a couple years and we'll see.

I will say that regardless of Trump speeches, there is still the house and senate, regardless of what he wants.

I will also say that in the end, I think NOTHING.....matters. As this thread (and every other one with two different stark sides in it) highlights, I think the seeds are planted that is slowly leading to the end of the nation as we know it. Civil war? NO.....fringe lunatic talk in my opinion. However civil disobedience, and refusal to aknowladge or respect another's opinion. A decade in my opinion regardless of whom is president will have us looking far more like a typical Balkans country as far as loyalties and motivations VS the US of the 1800s.

JesseL · « **Reply #20 on:** July 26, 2016, 06:35:06 pm »

I favor tax exempt status for everyone.

MTK20 · « **Reply #21 on:** July 26, 2016, 06:40:13 pm »

Quote from: JesseL on July 26, 2016, 06:35:06 pm

I favor tax exempt status for everyone.

Doug Wojtowicz · « **Reply #22 on:** July 26, 2016, 07:07:53 pm »

Quote from: Chief45 on July 26, 2016, 04:33:57 pm

I was going to make a comment about atheism being an organized religion as well, but that might be seen as provocative, so I will refrain.

Were I not straight, I would allow you to take me in a manly fashion.

Doug Wojtowicz · « **Reply #23 on:** July 26, 2016, 07:10:12 pm »

Quote from: sqlbullet on July 26, 2016, 04:58:23 pm

Atheist aren't generally organized into a uniform group or congregation. And they don't subscribe to the concept of a superhuman controlling power. It may be appear as a well defined belief system, but it fails the litmus tests to be a religion.

That's because it's hard to make a profit out of atheism. Yet.

scarville · « **Reply #24 on:** July 26, 2016, 07:42:41 pm »

IIRC he self identifies as a Presbyterian. Which is mostly irrevelent except in the case where he follows their Assembly's advice on guns.

http://www.pcusa.org/news/2014/6/19/assembly-acts-decisively-gun-violence-abortion-tax/

formation of support, healing and advocacy groups for those who have experienced gun violence in their families;
opposition to legislation that exempts gun manufacturers and marketers from legal liability and/or financial accountability for the medical and security costs of predictable gun misuse and availability to criminals, the unstable, and the self-destructive;
opposition to “stand your ground” and other legislation that may entitle gun owners to shoot before taking alternative measures (such as relying on law enforcement and/or other de-escalation techniques) in perceived defense of persons or property;
encouraging church sessions and PC(USA) entities that own property to declare their particular premises and gatherings to be gun-free zones;
raising the age for handgun ownership to 21;
supporting legislation to ban semiautomatic assault weapons, armor-piercing handgun ammunition and .50-caliber rifles; and
advocacy in support of state and federal legislation to regulate ammunition.

Except for the first -- which sounds to me like feel-good virtue mimicry -- I support none of the above.

OTOH, Trump may be as good a Presbyterian as I am a Catholic.