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Re: Is a -gate opening in DC?
« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2013, 07:41:35 am »
That they are. To the point where I hardly listen to the news any more. I was sitting around watching zero dark thirty tonight when it struck me. When that happened I didn't really pay much attention to the Bin Laden killing. I didn't hungrily eat up every bit of news I could about it. Same thing with the attack in Libya. As well the last school shooting or any number of important things like the Boston attack. I realized I have just gotten to the point where when it comes to the news that I don't trust the news media to report it accurately. I also don’t trust our government to tell us what is going on. In fact more often then not I expect to be lied to. It is to the point where I don't even follow important news because I don't trust the media to report what is actually going on with enough accuracy to even begin to make it worth my time. Pretty sad. I wish they new how dismal of a job they did. As well I wonder if they would even care, I doubt it.
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    Re: Is a -gate opening in DC?
    « Reply #26 on: May 10, 2013, 01:03:03 pm »
    Too many in the MSM and Washington are comparing this to Watergate and attempting to caste it in a favorable light as compared to Watergate.....They seem to conveniently forget that no one was murdered in Watergate, let alone U.S. citizens and officials.
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    Re: Is a -gate opening in DC?
    « Reply #27 on: May 10, 2013, 05:03:45 pm »
    Don't look now, but the IRS just admitted to targeting "tea party" and "patriot" groups for increased scrutiny/oversight/audits during the 2012 election cycle.

    The Obama administration: the ethical standards of Nixon, and the competence of Carter.  (Both of those are best case, BTW)
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    Re: Is a -gate opening in DC?
    « Reply #28 on: May 10, 2013, 06:25:40 pm »
    The Obama administration: the ethical standards of Nixon, and the competence of Carter.  (Both of those are best case, BTW)
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    Re: Is a -gate opening in DC?
    « Reply #29 on: May 10, 2013, 08:27:21 pm »


    The Obama administration: the ethical standards of Nixon, and the competence of Carter.  (Both of those are best case, BTW)

    Thread win.  Internet win.  Can't top that.
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    Re: Is a -gate opening in DC?
    « Reply #30 on: May 13, 2013, 09:01:51 am »
    I tend to share the opinion others have voiced here that, with the full cooperation of the Ministry of Propaganda press, the current Admin will find a way to worm its way out of the Benghazi mess -- most likely, according to pattern, by destroying the lives and careers of some underlings.  At the same time, I take some hope, albeit small, from the author's point in the following.  A lot may depend on how thoroughly the agency is under the thumb of the current political machine.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/12/curl-watch-out-petraeus-benghazi-scandal/

    CURL: Watch out for Petraeus in Benghazi scandal

     By Joseph Curl

    Call it “Oval Office Couch Syndrome.”

    By their second term “inside the bubble,” presidents have completely lost touch with reality: Aides and confidants conspire to keep the chief executive insulated from the real world — the bad news, the worse press coverage. They think it’s their job, and lounging on the Oval Office couches, they nod along with the president’s every musing.

    But this presidency has taken OOCS to new heights. Mr. Obama has only a few trusted aides, and occasional leaks from the West Wing show a paranoid president suspicious of nearly everyone around him. Supremely confident, convinced by the fawning minions at his feet that he is untouchable, the president dismisses all controversy as partisan attacks by an overzealous opposition. A pliant press corps of stenographers follows in lockstep.

    Not surprisingly, every president in the past 60 years has had a major scandal in Term 2: Dwight Eisenhower had the U-2 “incident”; Richard Nixon had Watergate; Ronald Reagan had Iran-Contra; Bill Clinton had Monica (literally); George W. Bush had Katrina (and let’s not forget those WMDs that never turned up); and now, this president has Benghazi.

    Make no mistake: Benghazi is a major scandal. Benghazi is a scandal before, during and after the terrorist attack that left four Americas dead, including an ambassador.

    For months before, there were warnings about weak security at the U.S. Consulate in Libya; no one paid attention. During the attack, when Americans were begging for help, the White House ignored their pleas, sent no help.

    And after? That’s when the Obama scandal falls into the predictable second-term pattern his predecessors all learned the very hard way. Faced with a crisis, the Obama White House panicked. “We can’t have a terrorist strike two months before Election Day, so … let’s not have a terrorist strike two months before Election Day.” Cue the Cover-Up.

    So little is known about what happened in Benghazi: Where was the commander in chief that night? No pictures from the Situation Room this time. Why didn’t the Pentagon authorize a quick-response team to swoop in? Members of the military say they were ready — burning — to go. The call came in: Stand down. Let them die. There were dozens of witnesses to the attack that night: Where are they? What do they know? What really happened that night?

    And who forced the heavy-handed redactions of those infamous “talking points,” the ones that sent Mr. Obama’s ambassador to the United Nations onto the Sunday talk shows to declare that the attack was just the culmination of a spontaneous protest over an anti-Islam video posted on YouTube?

    Carnival barker Jay Carney looked almost ashen Friday as he took the podium to face a suddenly invigorated press corps. Of course, the public briefing came after a private session with “reporters who matter,” a sure sign the White House is in full hunker-down mode — and, more precisely, terrified.

    “Again,” one newly curious reporter asked, “what role did the White House play, not just in making but in directing changes that took place to these?”

    “Well,” the carney said, “thank you for that question. The way to look at this, I think, is to start from that week and understand that in the wake of the attacks in Benghazi, an effort was underway to find out what happened, who was responsible. In response to a request from the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence to the CIA, the CIA began a process of developing points that could be used in public by members of Congress, by members of that committee. And that process, as is always the case — again, led by the CIA — involved input from a variety of …”

    Enough. You get the point: Full Spin Cycle.

    Speaking for the White House, the flack said the CIA was fully to blame for the talking points. Fully. “That is what was generated by the intelligence community, by the CIA,” he said.

    For the record, this is what the CIA “generated”:

    “Since April, there have been at least five other attacks against foreign interests in Benghazi by unidentified assailants.” That line was stricken: Everything was fine there — fine fine fine.

    And: “We do know that Islamic extremists with ties to Al Qaeda participated in the attack.” That line, too, was deleted by … someone. Instead, this was inserted: “There are indications that extremists participated in the violent demonstrations.”

    Despite protestations by the White House, this scandal is just beginning. And the White House has picked a very bad scapegoat: the Central Intelligence Agency. The CIA follows RFK’s edict: “Don’t get mad, get even.” And when the CIA gets even, it isn’t pretty.

    With the White House putting all blame on the agency, expect push back this week — nuclear push back. Gen. David H. Petraeus, the former director forced to resign after a sex scandal, is a dangerous man to the Obama administration. Mad and intent on getting even, he’s already talking, telling one reporter the talking points were “useless” and that he preferred not to use them at all. The floodgates will open this week, and by the end of business Friday, the scandal will be full blown.

    A warning to those West Wing sycophants suffering from acute OOCS: Don’t walk down any dark alleys.
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    Re: Is a -gate opening in DC?
    « Reply #31 on: May 15, 2013, 01:27:16 am »
    You may be right.  In a way, I hope you're right.   The problem I see is an administration that is completely worthless in any sort of foreign policy crisis even when they are paying attention, now being driven to distraction by the problem of how to manage the Benghazi mess.  This leaves them ( and us ) vulnerable in the extreme to any sort of manipulation and or opportunism on the part of our adversaries.

    This probably has more layers than an onion but I wonder how much depth the media is capable of these days.   A 24 hour news cycle demands to be fed and soon enough they will move on for the most part.   Even today in the midst of what could charitably be called a public relations meltdown for the White house, the lead story was about Angelina Jolie.   :facepalm

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    Re: Is a -gate opening in DC?
    « Reply #32 on: May 21, 2013, 11:29:56 am »
    This is going to get interesting.  Until they're all lawyered up and ready to talk -- or not, as I'd guess immense pressure is being brought to bear on them right now -- won't know for sure how much more the dike is crumbling.

    http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2013/05/21/pjm-exclusive-ex-diplomats-report-new-benghazi-whistleblowers-with-info-devastating-to-clinton-and-obama/

    PJM EXCLUSIVE: Ex-Diplomats Report New Benghazi Whistleblowers with Info Devastating to Clinton and Obama

    by Roger L Simon

    More whistleblowers will emerge shortly in the escalating Benghazi scandal, according to two former U.S. diplomats who spoke with PJ Media Monday afternoon.

    These whistleblowers, colleagues of the former diplomats, are currently securing legal counsel because they work in areas not fully protected by the Whistleblower law.

    According to the diplomats, what these whistleblowers will say will be at least as explosive as what we have already learned about the scandal, including details about what really transpired in Benghazi that are potentially devastating to both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

    The former diplomats inform PJM the new revelations concentrate in two areas — what Ambassador Chris Stevens was actually doing in Benghazi and the pressure put on General Carter Ham, then in command of U.S. Africa Command (AFRICOM) and therefore responsible for Libya, not to act to protect jeopardized U.S. personnel.

    Stevens’ mission in Benghazi, they will say, was to buy back Stinger missiles from al-Qaeda groups issued to them by the State Department, not by the CIA. Such a mission would usually be a CIA effort, but the intelligence agency had opposed the idea because of the high risk involved in arming “insurgents” with powerful weapons that endanger civilian aircraft.

    Hillary Clinton still wanted to proceed because, in part, as one of the diplomats said, she wanted “to overthrow Gaddafi on the cheap.”

    This left Stevens in the position of having to clean up the scandalous enterprise when it became clear that the “insurgents” actually were al-Qaeda – indeed, in the view of one of the diplomats, the same group that attacked the consulate and ended up killing Stevens.

    The former diplomat who spoke with PJ Media regarded the whole enterprise as totally amateurish and likened it to the Mike Nichols film Charlie Wilson’s War about a clueless congressman who supplies Stingers to the Afghan guerrillas. “It’s as if Hillary and the others just watched that movie and said ‘Hey, let’s do that!’” the diplomat said.

    He added that he and his colleagues think the leaking of General David Petraeus’ affair with his biographer Paula Broadwell was timed to silence the former CIA chief on these matters.

    Regarding General Ham, military contacts of the diplomats tell them that AFRICOM had Special Ops “assets in place that could have come to the aid of the Benghazi consulate immediately (not in six hours).”

    Ham was told by the White House not to send the aid to the trapped men, but Ham decided to disobey and did so anyway, whereupon the White House “called his deputy and had the deputy threaten to relieve Ham of his command.”

    The White House motivation in all this is as yet unclear, but it is known that Ham retired quietly in April 2013 as head of AFRICOM.

    PJ Media recognizes this is largely hearsay, but the two diplomats sounded quite credible. One of them was in a position of responsibility in a dangerous area of Iraq in 2004.

    We will report more as we learn it.
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    Re: Is a -gate opening in DC?
    « Reply #33 on: May 21, 2013, 12:07:29 pm »
    This whole thing reminds me of a time I ate some bad seafood.   :vomit    There were definite signs of trouble after an hour or so but the projectile expulsion of said food poisoning had to wait until everything was properly fermented.    :facepalm
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    « Reply #34 on: May 22, 2013, 09:04:59 am »
    This whole thing reminds me of a time I ate some bad seafood.   :vomit    There were definite signs of trouble after an hour or so but the projectile expulsion of said food poisoning had to wait until everything was properly fermented.    :facepalm
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    As more and more comes out about the range of activities of this Admin, the more I see your comparison as  right on the mark.
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    « Reply #35 on: May 22, 2013, 09:08:04 am »
    Or, for that matter, with health care?

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/05/the-common-thread-in-the-obama-adminstration-scandals.php

    The common thread in the Obama adminstration scandals

     by Paul Mirengoff

     John Yoo identifies the common thread in the major Obama administration scandals:

        Add up all the recent scandals and the message is clear: the Obama administration is showing that it cannot be trusted with the basic functions of government: law enforcement (surveillance of reporters), taxation (IRS scandals), and national security (Benghazi).

    How, then, can we trust the administration when it comes to immigration — an area in which it already has refused to enforce portions of the law that it doesn’t like?
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    Re: Is a -gate opening in DC?
    « Reply #36 on: May 22, 2013, 05:41:21 pm »
    Bingo.     :thumbup1       
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    « Reply #38 on: May 23, 2013, 12:42:19 pm »
    Great stuff.    :cool     And this is why he's being crowded off the late night stage by someone with a small fraction of the talent and wit and personality and willingness to poke fun at the Obamas.   :scrutiny
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