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Group asks states to track citizens' ammo
« on: December 10, 2008, 03:03:31 pm »
Group asks states to track citizens' ammo
Organization claims it is 'saving lives 1 bullet at a time'
By Chelsea Schilling
© 2008 WorldNetDaily

Legislation to trace ammunition is pending in several states, and many gun owners are concerned that it is just another attempt by anti-gun groups to violate citizens' Second Amendment rights.

An organization known as Ammunition Accountability is pushing to make coding technology mandatory across the nation. Its website claims it is a group of "gun crime victims, industry representatives, law enforcement, public officials, public policy experts, and more" who are "saving lives one bullet at a time."

If states pass the legislation, manufacturers will be required to laser etch a serial number into the back of each bullet and the inside of cartridge casings, a patented process developed by Seattle, Wash., resident Russ Ford and his business partners, Steve Mace and John Knickerbocker.

According to Seattle Weekly, the men couldn't find an ammunition manufacturer to agree to stamp bullets, so they hired a lobbyist to push for state legislation to require the laser coding. They launched the Ammunition Accountability website and successfully introduced bills in the following 18 states: Alabama, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee and Washington.

Many of the proposals have died or stalled in committee; however the group is still urging lawmakers across the country to introduce the same kind of legislation in other states.

Ammunition Accountability explains its system would require states to establish databases to track coded ammunition for handguns and assault rifles. The databases would be funded by a surcharge of up to five cents per bullet.

According to its sample legislation, manufacturers would be forced to code all ammunition sold in the state. Private citizens and retail outlets would be required to dispose of all non-coded ammunition no later than Jan. 1, 2011.

Each vendor would record the following information about customers who buy the ammunition: Date, name, driver's license or ID number, date of birth and ammunition identifier. The businesses would maintain records for three years from the date of purchase.

"[W]hen a potential criminal purchases a box of 9mm cartridges, the box of ammunition and the bullets' coding numbers would be connected to the purchaser in a statewide database," Ammunition Accountability explains. "When a bullet is found at a crime scene, the code on the bullet can be read with a simple magnifying glass and then be run through a statewide database to determine who purchased the ammunition and where, providing a valuable investigative lead."

However, critics claim the system is severely flawed.

The National Rifle Association warns encoding ammunition would result in forfeiture of currently owned ammunition, separate registration for every box of ammo, outrageously expensive costs for police and private citizens and wasted taxpayer money that could be spent on traditional police programs.

The NRA also suggests private citizens could be required to keep records on anyone who uses or buys their ammunition - even family members and friends. Furthermore, it said lawbreakers could find ways to prevent their bullets from being traced.

"Criminals could beat the system," the NRA claims. "A large percentage of criminals' ammunition (and guns) is stolen. Criminals could also collect ammunition cases from shooting ranges, and reload them with molten lead bullets made without serial numbers."

Some bloggers suggested criminals could simply modify their own rounds by removing the coding before firing them.

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    Re: Group asks states to track citizens' ammo
    « Reply #1 on: December 10, 2008, 09:24:11 pm »
    Those three guys patented the process.

    Wonder how much $$ they would stand to make if the tracking was required?

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    « Reply #2 on: December 10, 2008, 11:29:10 pm »
    A cut of the sale of every single round sold in the US?  They'd be the new Gates Foundation.
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    « Reply #3 on: December 10, 2008, 11:52:04 pm »
    A cut of the sale of every single round sold in the US?  They'd be the new Gates Foundation.

    I'm kind of thinking that might be one of their primary goals. Oh, I'm sure they want to "save lives one bullet at a time" but I'd bet you they've also figured out the profit on the bullet, too.

    Let me see if I'm understanding the technicalities, though. Each unfired round has the number in two places: the case and the projectile? Is the number on the projectile not destroyed when it's fired (or, rather, when it hits its target)?

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    Re: Group asks states to track citizens' ammo
    « Reply #4 on: December 11, 2008, 06:46:06 am »
    The sheer number of ways to screw with that stupid system once it was in place....  :banghead
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    « Reply #5 on: December 11, 2008, 05:02:59 pm »
    Hmmmmm. Perhaps we should all be required to buy laser pens, and then personally sign each round of ammunition we purchase........ :banghead     Jack***es
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    « Reply #6 on: December 11, 2008, 09:57:53 pm »
    Shoosh! They'll HEAR YOU! ::) :banghead

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    « Reply #7 on: December 11, 2008, 10:01:55 pm »
    The sheer number of ways to screw with that stupid system once it was in place....  :banghead


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    « Reply #8 on: December 12, 2008, 01:58:22 am »
    I love the bit of their sample legislation that says, "non-coded ammunition will have to be disposed of by January 1, 2011" so much for grandfathering...
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    « Reply #9 on: December 12, 2008, 03:24:19 am »
    most of the states that have this legislation "pending" have sent the bills to committee where they have died.

    i do not believe that the bills have been seriously considered in any state where introduced.  that said, we must remain ever vigilant. 
    I know that violence isn't the answer, but I like to show my work and it IS part of the solution.

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    « Reply #10 on: December 12, 2008, 08:16:03 am »
    I love the bit of their sample legislation that says, "non-coded ammunition will have to be disposed of by January 1, 2011" so much for grandfathering...

    Heck, that's no problem.  I can certainly shoot all mine and start reloading by then obey that regulation  >:D

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    Re: Group asks states to track citizens' ammo
    « Reply #11 on: December 12, 2008, 09:43:25 am »
    The one introduced in AZ died very fast, almost a year ago.

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    « Reply #12 on: December 12, 2008, 12:49:33 pm »
    The one introduced in AZ died very fast, almost a year ago.
    Of late I've been surprised by some of the anit-gun legislation I've been hearing about in AZ.  I was under the impression they were about as gun friendly as you could be short of being Texas.
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    « Reply #13 on: December 12, 2008, 12:55:11 pm »
    I can only think of one good way to get rid of all our ammo by 2011; if this passes.

    And it is NOT how they would like to receive it.

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    « Reply #14 on: December 12, 2008, 12:55:42 pm »
    Of late I've been surprised by some of the anit-gun legislation I've been hearing about in AZ.  I was under the impression they were about as gun friendly as you could be short of being Texas.

    Such legislation almost never gets anywhere. We've got a couple very liberal districts that like to elect representatives that are more than willing to be Brady tools, but they're pretty impotent.
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    « Reply #15 on: December 14, 2008, 10:06:15 pm »
    Since we would be saving lives,  I demand that each stone of appropriate size and mass also have a serial number as thrown stones have the the potential to take lives.

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    « Reply #16 on: December 14, 2008, 10:49:24 pm »
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    ... the men couldn't find an ammunition manufacturer to agree to stamp bullets, so they hired a lobbyist to push for state legislation to require...

    Typical of the Left.

    They simply cannot prevail in a fair debate, or a free market, whether a market of goods and services, or a market of ideas.


    They will ALWAYS be a despised minority. Their only hope is coercion. Force.

    Bunch of wannabe Stalinists.




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