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Following Orwell's guidebook
« on: May 13, 2013, 08:40:08 am »
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Mojave Mark: Photo ID is racist but biometric data is democrat approved. What?

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/05/12/hidden-in-immigration-reform-bio-metric-data-base-of-all-adult-americans/

Hidden in Immigration Reform: Bio-Metric Data Base of All Adult Americans

by Rick Moran

This is beyond Orwellian, entering a dystopian fantasy dreamed up by H.P. Lovecraft and featuring some Cthulian nightmare.

Deep within the diseased bowels of the 800 page immigration reform bill is a profound threat to privacy in the US; an authorization for the Department of Homeland Security to create a bio-metric data base of every adult male in the US.

Does this info come to us via some hysterical, far right wing website? Actually, it’s the tech site Wired that is sounding the alarm:

    The immigration reform measure the Senate began debating yesterday would create a national biometric database of virtually every adult in the U.S., in what privacy groups fear could be the first step to a ubiquitous national identification system.

    Buried in the more than 800 pages of the bipartisan legislation (.pdf) is language mandating the creation of the innocuously-named “photo tool,” a massive federal database administered by the Department of Homeland Security and containing names, ages, Social Security numbers and photographs of everyone in the country with a driver’s license or other state-issued photo ID.

    Employers would be obliged to look up every new hire in the database to verify that they match their photo.

    This piece of the Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act is aimed at curbing employment of undocumented immigrants. But privacy advocates fear the inevitable mission creep, ending with the proof of self being required at polling places, to rent a house, buy a gun, open a bank account, acquire credit, board a plane or even attend a sporting event or log on the internet. Think of it as a government version of Foursquare, with Big Brother cataloging every check-in.

    “It starts to change the relationship between the citizen and state, you do have to get permission to do things,” said Chris Calabrese, a congressional lobbyist with the American Civil Liberties Union. “More fundamentally, it could be the start of keeping a record of all things.”

    For now, the legislation allows the database to be used solely for employment purposes. But historically such limitations don’t last. The Social Security card, for example, was created to track your government retirement benefits. Now you need it to purchase health insurance.

    “The Social Security number itself, it’s pretty ubiquitous in your life,” Calabrese said.

    David Bier, an analyst with the Competitive Enterprise Institute, agrees with the ACLU’s fears.

    “The most worrying aspect is that this creates a principle of permission basically to do certain activities and it can be used to restrict activities,” he said. “It’s like a national ID system without the card.”


If history teaches us anything about the power of government, it is if they can get away with it, they will take it. It’s that simple. No exaggeration or embellishment. The track record of government when promising to exercise power only so far and no farther is abysmal.

Even some Democrats should be  appalled at this government overreach. Perhaps a bi-partisan effort can be mounted to rid the immigration bill of this noxious law.
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    Re: Following Orwell's guidebook
    « Reply #1 on: May 13, 2013, 12:04:30 pm »
    day late and a dollar short.   do these folks even comprehend, we are already there ?

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    This piece of the Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act is aimed at curbing employment of undocumented immigrants. But privacy advocates fear the inevitable mission creep, ending with the proof of self being required at polling places, to rent a house, buy a gun, open a bank account, acquire credit, board a plane or even attend a sporting event or log on the internet. Think of it as a government version of Foursquare, with Big Brother cataloging every check-in.

    Um,  lets see now.
    Photo ID to vote.  depends on the state, Dem controlled states want the illegals and zombies to vote.
    rent a house.  depends on who your renting from. companies and coops, yes, private individuals, depends on them.
    buy a gun.  HA.
    Open a bank account.  Been there for over 10 years now.  Wake up.
    acquire credit.  well, no,  you can still steal someone else's info and manage to fake a credit card.
    Board a plane.  Have they tried to fly since 9-11 ?

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    Re: Following Orwell's guidebook
    « Reply #2 on: May 13, 2013, 01:50:23 pm »
    When I went to renew my DL last time I had to provide a copy of my birth certificate to prove my identity.  I didn't have one, so I went to the records office to get one.

    Wanna guess how they verified my identity to get me my birth certificate?  They very driver's license that apparently was already in question.

    Can we say "circular"... :facepalm
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    « Reply #3 on: May 13, 2013, 08:42:19 pm »
    When I went to renew my DL last time I had to provide a copy of my birth certificate to prove my identity.  I didn't have one, so I went to the records office to get one.

    Wanna guess how they verified my identity to get me my birth certificate?  They very driver's license that apparently was already in question.

    Can we say "circular"... :facepalm
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    Re: Following Orwell's guidebook
    « Reply #4 on: May 18, 2013, 12:06:08 am »
    day late and a dollar short.   do these folks even comprehend, we are already there ?

    Um,  lets see now.
    Photo ID to vote.  depends on the state, Dem controlled states want the illegals and zombies to vote.
    rent a house.  depends on who your renting from. companies and coops, yes, private individuals, depends on them.
    buy a gun.  HA.
    Open a bank account.  Been there for over 10 years now.  Wake up.
    acquire credit.  well, no,  you can still steal someone else's info and manage to fake a credit card.
    Board a plane.  Have they tried to fly since 9-11 ?



    The biometric part is what I get stuck on.  Will you have go give a blood sample, or spit in a test tube to do any of those things?
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    « Reply #5 on: May 18, 2013, 07:27:39 pm »
    I believe it is probably facial recognition stuff. The ID card photo will have to be taken to certain standards, so that the image can be properly analyzed and key features would be reduced to 0s and 1s. That's a guess, but an educated one.

    Which also means that the project is probably doomed from the outset, due to the stellar photographic skills of the DMV.

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    Re: Following Orwell's guidebook
    « Reply #6 on: May 18, 2013, 10:57:23 pm »
    I believe it is probably facial recognition stuff. The ID card photo will have to be taken to certain standards, so that the image can be properly analyzed and key features would be reduced to 0s and 1s. That's a guess, but an educated one.

    Which also means that the project is probably doomed from the outset, due to the stellar photographic skills of the DMV.

    Mike ;)

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    Props to all of that, as you're more eddicated on that stuff than I am.  But . . . the biometric thing still throws me.  If it gets down to the DNA level, the computer stuff is somewhat intimidating (as it's meant to be) as it can be maddeningly accurate.  But, to your point, the fudds have a way of getting it all wrong.
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    Re: Following Orwell's guidebook
    « Reply #7 on: May 18, 2013, 10:58:35 pm »
    Meant to add: facial recognition is not the end of this game.
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