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Re: Explosions at boston marathon
« Reply #50 on: April 16, 2013, 04:52:09 pm »
Just wait;
 Ft. Hood; Work place violence
Benghazi: Spontaneous upraising over You Tube
Boston; Worse case of poor sportsmanship ever
Just wait, unless it's a white middle aged male with Republican voting record then all bets are off.

On a true note,the prayers of my family and I go out to all those touched by this terrible act. And it will be many that suffer even if not touched by the blast, but it's aftermath.
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    Re: Explosions at boston marathon
    « Reply #51 on: April 16, 2013, 05:27:09 pm »
    That whole two explosives thing is bothering me, I was watching the news when they warned that they were water cannoning another possible device, there was deffintly a bang on tv, I dont think water cannons make that kind of noise.
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    Re: Explosions at boston marathon
    « Reply #52 on: April 16, 2013, 07:00:00 pm »
    That whole two explosives thing is bothering me, I was watching the news when they warned that they were water cannoning another possible device, there was deffintly a bang on tv, I dont think water cannons make that kind of noise.

    Pretty sure they do actually. The water is usually pressurized by some sort of pyrotechnic, so they ought to be pretty noisy.
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    Re: Explosions at boston marathon
    « Reply #53 on: April 16, 2013, 07:18:35 pm »
    Just wait;
     Ft. Hood; Work place violence
    Benghazi: Spontaneous upraising over You Tube
    Boston; Worse case of poor sportsmanship ever
    Just wait, unless it's a white middle aged male with Republican voting record then all bets are off.

    On a true note,the prayers of my family and I go out to all those touched by this terrible act. And it will be many that suffer even if not touched by the blast, but it's aftermath.
    I was thinking maybe just a fat dude who hates/is jealous of marathon runners.
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    Re: Explosions at boston marathon
    « Reply #54 on: April 16, 2013, 08:45:13 pm »

    I honestly don't know why there haven't been more terrorist attacks in the United States like this.

    I have wondered about that for years as well. I have a couple of theories as to why.

    1 The alphabet soup agencies are actually really, really good. Like spooky good, this big brother thing actually works. Or they have some secret weapon that we don’t know about to predict and catch these guys. Or they are just far better than I give them credit for. If that was the case though, I would think that FBI's ten most wanted list would be constantly changing as the top ten are constantly caught. Perhaps it is kind of like the right wing militia groups, they have informants almost every where. I could buy this as I have heard of several busted plots because the terrorists had gone to some FBI informant thinking he was going to help them out. Quite frankly given the cultural divide between what I would call you average American vs you average terrorist I find this surprising.

    2 The terrorists are not the super capable well funded boggie man that they are made out to be. Perhaps they lack the funds to get here and execute a terrorist attack. Or perhaps they are indeed the cave trolls they are made out to be and too stupid to execute a well thought out plan. Given the fact that they set off IED's in their own countries on a regular basis I doubt this. Or perhaps when they get here our culture corrupts them and they lose their desire to carry out an attack. I find this unlikely considering they every now and then manage to successfully recruit westerners to their cause. Or perhaps it is not as easy as it is made out to be to conduct an attack. Personally I don't buy that as if I wanted to I could raise five kinds of hell just by myself, look at one mentally disturbed guy did at a school. Then again I am accustomed to the culture and how things work here, if I was to raise five kinds of hell in their land I wouldn’t make it very far. Perhaps they just lack the man power that is capable of operating here.
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    « Reply #55 on: April 16, 2013, 08:55:58 pm »
    if I was to raise five kinds of hell in their land I wouldn’t make it very far.

    That's the first time I've heard it like that but it does make sense, familiar with the local environments etc. makes it much easier to raise hell.

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    Re: Explosions at boston marathon
    « Reply #56 on: April 16, 2013, 09:11:44 pm »
    That's the first time I've heard it like that but it does make sense, familiar with the local environments etc. makes it much easier to raise hell.

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    Well you think about it, I would imagine the average jihad jihad guy doesn't know english. If you come to this country without knowing any one else here already that can help you out and, don't you know english life is going to be very very hard period. Unless you know spanish see habla espanual. Yeah I know my spelling sucks sorry, no habla espanual. Which some one along those lines isn't likely to know any more than english. You will stick out like a sore thumb, and be bumbling about on something as simple as trying to figure out a bus schedule or buying stuff at the grocery store. It would make covertly planing an attack much harder. It would sure make getting what you need to carry out the attack harder at the very least I would think. In addition your ethnicity is likely to get you a bit of extra attention at the first sign you are plotting anything, look at the Saudi who was in the hospital and has now been cleared for instance. Yeah I could see how if you are a foreigner and you come to this country for the first time you would screw thing up in short order. I could also see how it would be hard to find people who could execute an attack here, especially when you consider they have to get though customs, unless you cross some unguarded and unsecured boarder. I suspect this is why Al Quida and other groups have tried so hard to recruit westerners. The problem is unless you really believe the in the kill all the infidels philosophy of life, blowing up innocent people doesn’t appeal to most westerners.
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    Re: Explosions at boston marathon
    « Reply #57 on: April 16, 2013, 09:39:11 pm »
    Its a combo of all of the above. The LE investigative agencies (not just fed.gov) are actually pretty good at what they do. We see the failures, the successes rarely make headlines. The opposition is high motivation and generally low skill... when they succeed, it is sometimes luck and sometimes the fact that "generally" doesn't mean "always". And it is the fact that they do not have a support network in place, a community they can blend into which will support them.

    One of those three is changing, and there will be blood because of it.

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    Re: Explosions at boston marathon
    « Reply #58 on: April 16, 2013, 10:19:27 pm »
    The Boston Marathon isn't the largest, but it is the most prestigious event of its kind.

    The race course is over 26 miles long running through a major city; making it impossible to completely secure.

    I talked to a runner that was there (finished 50 min before) today. He said the locals did a pretty good job shutting down the area.

    I will not speculate on the who or the why until I know the who and the why.  It is know that the jihadists are actively trying to recruit westerners to carry out such threats which can make it harder to figure out the who. My anger can wait until I have something to direct it at.

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    Re: Explosions at boston marathon
    « Reply #59 on: April 16, 2013, 10:34:51 pm »
    Concur. We assume it is AQ or similar. It could always be some domestic, non-Islamist plot. Boston, Tax Day, Patriot's Day ... you never know. The timing may be appropriate for an anti-gov type ... but the target? Odd. Then again, why was Rudolph bombing the Olymics again?

    Terrorism rarely makes sense. And, actually, foreign terrorism makes a heck of a lot more sense than domestic, almost always. At least you're killing "the enemy", not your own people.

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    Re: Explosions at boston marathon
    « Reply #60 on: April 16, 2013, 10:50:59 pm »
    Then again, why was Rudolph bombing the Olymics again?

    Because "it is a worldwide promotion of socialist ideals".   :-\

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    « Reply #61 on: April 17, 2013, 07:05:04 am »
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    Re: Explosions at boston marathon
    « Reply #62 on: April 17, 2013, 08:34:29 am »
    Has any group stepped forward to claim responsibility yet? I know at least one or two likely suspects have said "Dude, wasn't us" which is wryly amusing in and of itself.

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    Re: Explosions at boston marathon
    « Reply #64 on: April 17, 2013, 10:32:26 am »
    WTF, really?

    http://www.salon.com/2013/04/16/lets_hope_the_boston_marathon_bomber_is_a_white_american/

    I hate propaganda, and propaganda that is basically and obviously erroneous on all levels is just beyond the pale.
    Basically everything the author says in that piece of carp is easily disproved via a quick google search.

    According to this the "Saudi National" in no longer under suspicion.

    http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/04/16/saudi_national_no_longer_person_of_interest_in_boston_bombings_no_other_suspects

     

    Yeah I saw that, thought I'd posting something to that effect earlier  :shrug

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    Re: Explosions at boston marathon
    « Reply #65 on: April 17, 2013, 10:50:35 am »
    Mayor Bloomberg has already taken steps to ban pressure cookers.
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    Re: Explosions at boston marathon
    « Reply #66 on: April 17, 2013, 11:25:31 am »
    Mayor Bloomberg has already taken steps to ban pressure cookers.

    Rush Limbaugh was talking about just that possibility on his show yesterday.

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/04/16/ban_pressure_cookers_and_ball_bearings

    I am not a big fan of Limbaugh but he does know how to "demonstrate absurdity by being absurd". Seems to have pissed off some jerk over at the Daily Kos, too.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/04/17/1202460/-Limbaugh-Jokes-About-Boston-Bombs

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    « Reply #67 on: April 17, 2013, 11:29:49 am »
    I hate propaganda, and propaganda that is basically and obviously erroneous on all levels is just beyond the pale.
    Basically everything the author says in that piece of carp is easily disproved via a quick google search.
     

    Yeah I saw that, thought I'd posting something to that effect earlier  :shrug

    That article irritated me to no end. Because, yeah, that's what we do- drop bombs on anyone not white. Like the Beltway Sniper. Or the Ft. Hood shooter. /sarc

    Meanwhile, new terms are made up by others to ensure that no ethnic group other than caucasian can be blamed for shooting a person of color. 'White Hispanic', anyone?
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    Re: Explosions at boston marathon
    « Reply #68 on: April 17, 2013, 01:28:40 pm »
    Has any group stepped forward to claim responsibility yet? I know at least one or two likely suspects have said "Dude, wasn't us" which is wryly amusing in and of itself.

    Indeed, I was rather amused when I saw this:

    Militias denounce bombing.

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    Re: Explosions at boston marathon
    « Reply #69 on: April 17, 2013, 02:05:35 pm »
    Very interesting.  Crowd source attempt at comparing still photos and tv coverage to try and identify suspects. 

    http://imgur.com/a/sUrnA/noscript

    They might be onto something...

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    Re: Explosions at boston marathon
    « Reply #70 on: April 17, 2013, 02:19:11 pm »
    Someone allegedly is: they claim to have a suspect in custody.

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    Re: Explosions at boston marathon
    « Reply #71 on: April 17, 2013, 02:37:59 pm »
    http://news.yahoo.com/official-suspect-custody-boston-bombings-180333939--spt.html

    BOSTON (AP) — A suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings was taken into custody Wednesday in a breakthrough that came less than 48 hours after the deadly attack, a law enforcement official briefed on the investigation said Wednesday.
     
    The official spoke shortly after several media outlets reported that a suspect had been identified from surveillance video taken at a Lord & Taylor store between the sites of the two bomb blasts, which killed three people and wounded more than 170.
     
    The official was not authorized to divulge details of the investigation and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity. The suspect was expected at a Boston courthouse under heavy security, the official said.

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    « Reply #72 on: April 17, 2013, 02:38:33 pm »
    If I had to guess on who - I would say it's a "lone wolf" that wants to be AQ - it seems like some of the more recent attacks and attempts (Ft. Hood, underwear bomber, etc.) have been individuals that are not actually connected with AQ, or at the very most loosely connected, that want to "join the cause" and their attempts have been what they think AQ would approve of.  So you get some westerner loser who has bought into the whole jihad thing, and figures if he can carry out an attack he either dies in the process and gets  his virgins, or he is successful and lives, and if he gets away with it can say "hey, AQ, look what I did - can I join your club?"

    I know that's very simply put, and not based on a whole lot other than conjecture and theory, but like I said, it's my guess.  We'll see how this pans out.

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    Re: Explosions at boston marathon
    « Reply #73 on: April 17, 2013, 03:21:25 pm »
    And now...  no one is in custody. I love the media.

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