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EPA Does It Again
« on: August 15, 2012, 04:51:28 pm »
From the " Iron Horse" web site :

"MOTORCYCLE WARNING! Feds Mandate Minimum 4 Gallon Ethanol-Blend Purchase
August 7, 2012 By Press Release 1 Comment
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency will require all consumers to buy at least four gallons of gasoline from certain gas pumps after the new E15 ethanol-gasoline blend is introduced into the market.

The EPA revealed the requirement to the American Motorcyclist Association in a letter dated Aug. 1, responding to AMA concerns that E15 — a gasoline formulation that contains up to 15 percent ethanol by volume — could be put in motorcycle and ATV gas tanks inadvertently when consumers use blender pumps. A blender pump dispenses different fuel blends through the same hose, and the vast majority of motorcycles and all-terrain vehicles in use today aren’t designed to operate on E15 fuel.

“With E15 gasoline, our members who make a concerted effort to fuel their motorcycles or ATVs with E10-or-less gasoline may be unknowingly refueling with residual fuel left in the hose,” Wayne Allard, AMA vice president for government relations, wrote in a June 20 letter to EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson.

“Unlike an automobile or SUV that has a large fuel tank, the residual fuel left in a fueling hose could be detrimental to the performance of motorcycle or ATV engines due to the small size of their fuel tanks and the higher concentration of ethanol that would, therefore, be present in the fuel,” Allard wrote.

“In addition, the use of E15 will lower fuel efficiency and possibly cause premature engine failure,” he wrote. “Use of E15 fuel voids many manufacturer warranties. In off-road engines, the effects can even be dangerous for users.”

Byron Bunker of the EPA National Vehicle and Fuel Emissions Laboratory responded to the AMA on behalf of Jackson.
“EPA requires that retail stations that own or operate blender pumps either dispense E15 from a dedicated hose and nozzle if able or, in the case of E15 and E10 being dispensed from the same hose, require that at least four gallons of fuel be purchased to prevent vehicles and engines with smaller fuel tanks from being exposed to gasoline-ethanol blended fuels containing greater than 10 volume percent ethanol,” Bunker wrote.

“Additionally, EPA is requiring that retail stations that offer E10 and E15 from the same hose and nozzle use additional labeling to inform consumers about the minimum purchase requirement,” Bunker wrote.

“Since motorcyclists and ATV users, as you suggest, have relatively small fuel tanks, they should pay careful attention to the labeling of blender pumps to ensure that an appropriate fuel is chosen, in this case E10 or E0,” he wrote.

Another problem with the new EPA policy, Allard said, is that not all motorcycle and ATV gas tanks hold four or more gallons.
“Not only do we find it unacceptable for the EPA to mandate that everyone — including our members — buy minimum amounts of gas, but the EPA answer simply won’t work because of the sizes of many motorcycle and ATV gas tanks and the fact that off-highway riders take containers of gas with them on their trips, and most times those containers are much smaller than four gallons,” Allard said.

“The EPA needs to come up with a better solution,” he said. “The EPA also needs to back an independent study to determine whether E15 is safe for motorcycle and ATV engines.”

The AMA has repeatedly expressed concerns to government officials and federal lawmakers about possible damage to motorcycle and ATV engines caused by the inadvertent use of E15 when the new fuel becomes widely available, and has asked that motorcycles and ATVs be part of any scientific study into the effects of E15.

Ethanol is essentially grain alcohol produced from crops such as corn that is mixed with gasoline to produce an ethanol-gasoline blend motor fuel. In October 2010, the EPA approved the use of E15 in model year 2007 and newer light-duty vehicles (cars, light-duty trucks and medium-duty passenger vehicles). Then, in January 2011, the EPA added model year 2001-06 light-duty vehicles to the approved list.

No motorcycles or ATVs are currently on the list."


With the price of corn related foodstuffs going through the roof, they want to add more to the gas? Neither of my bikes gets low enough, by my design, that I need more than 3 gallons. And even if I do use 4, I'll still get the crappy blend.
Another fine mandate by the peopl;e that know what's best for you, your government.
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    Re: EPA Does It Again
    « Reply #1 on: August 15, 2012, 05:09:13 pm »
    Dammit. I've already had to replace my fuel line a few times (I think I finally got some hose that won't crumble after contact with ethanol) and my petcock once because of that junk.

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    « Reply #2 on: August 15, 2012, 05:21:36 pm »
    At this point, the stupid doesn't burn.  It's now just a long-lasting twist in my stomach.   :vomit

    Why are we wasting so much land to grow inedible corn for ethanol which STILL doesn't cut the price of regular petroleum, nor alleviates the bottleneck caused by a lack of new refineries?

    I spent $30 on gas today, and didn't even fill the tank, because gas prices shot above $4 here, all thanks to problems up the line in Wisconsin.   :facepalm

    Oh yes, and I've only seen ONE station within five miles of myself that even sells Ethanol. 
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    « Reply #3 on: August 15, 2012, 05:32:14 pm »
    FLUFF YOU EPA! You bunch of sniveling enviroweenie twigboys ought to be tarred and feathered...




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    « Reply #4 on: August 16, 2012, 12:08:56 am »
    This is one of those reasons I've been buying only ethanol free gas for a while now. I only buy ethanol when I have too. Usually both bikes get 91 octane no ethanol and the jeep gets 87 no ethanol. Amazingly the jeep gets 4-5 mpg better with non ethanol fuel which is reason enough to hunt for it when the price is close. Just one more thing to watch out for now.

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    « Reply #5 on: August 16, 2012, 12:51:30 am »
    Crap.
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    « Reply #6 on: August 16, 2012, 12:53:43 am »
    Amazingly the jeep gets 4-5 mpg better with non ethanol fuel which is reason enough to hunt for it when the price is close.
    Pure Gas has more energy so the engine needs to burn less of it to get power.  Ethanol has 1/3 less energy, so the engine has to burn more... So when you mix it with Gas... You are diluting your fuel's energy.
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    « Reply #7 on: August 16, 2012, 11:06:14 am »
    Pure Gas has more energy so the engine needs to burn less of it to get power.  Ethanol has 1/3 less energy, so the engine has to burn more... So when you mix it with Gas... You are diluting your fuel's energy.

    I get that part but usually I don't see that large of an increase in millage on the switch there is usually some but not quite that much;) I can pull an average of 17mpg straight on ethanol 87 and 21-22mpg on normal 87. It's enough of an effect that I can actually watch the millage change after filling up while running on cruise down the highway.

    Granted I run it in the motorcycles and chainsaws etc because this year alone I've rebuilt something like 8 carburetors around my house and my parents this year alone. From lawn mowers, to snowblowers to four wheelers and motorcycles. I'm really tired of cleaning out clogged jets full of ethanol funk and replacing rubber and plastic that it eats;)

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    « Reply #8 on: August 16, 2012, 12:47:48 pm »
    I spent $30 on gas today, and didn't even fill the tank, because gas prices shot above $4 here, all thanks to problems up the line in Wisconsin.   :facepalm

    Consider yourself lucky.  It costs $65 to fill my tank here.
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    « Reply #9 on: August 16, 2012, 01:04:10 pm »
    I topped off my KTM for 9 bucks yesterday, and my ZX-11 for 12.
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    Maybe it was less, because I did get a Xing Blueberry Tea with it.     :shrug
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    « Reply #10 on: August 16, 2012, 01:22:46 pm »
    I topped off my KTM for 9 bucks yesterday, and my ZX-11 for 12.
     :scrutiny
    Maybe it was less, because I did get a Xing Blueberry Tea with it.     :shrug

    A couple months ago I spent the most I ever had on gassing up my ZX-6 - $16. Premium was up around $4.30 and I was into reserve.

    Usually $10 is more like it.
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    « Reply #11 on: August 16, 2012, 02:18:31 pm »
    Consider yourself lucky.  It costs $65 to fill my tank here.

    Hopefully your gas tank is larger than a Toyota Tercel's, otherwise, the world is boned.
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