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« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2020, 03:11:58 pm »
Newsflash for you, folks: there's as broad a political representation in journalism as there is in any other industry, with the addition of people that set aside that political affiliation for the most important job and duty in journalism: Telling the Truth.

In other words, if Fox isn't willing to carry the story you're screaming about (like the Hunter Biden Laptop BS), then there's a very, *VERY* large chance it's full blown BS.

Additionally, there are FAR too many people with smart phones.  A midnight raid on a server farm in the middle of Frankfurt, a fairly populous city in a fairly technical society, replete with gunfire? That s#$% would be ALL OVER the place.
News flash for you booksmart. Nobody cares about your opinion.
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    « Reply #26 on: December 08, 2020, 03:37:28 pm »
    Newsflash for you, lesptr: my opinion is closer to reality than yours.

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    « Reply #27 on: December 08, 2020, 04:34:50 pm »
    Newsflash for you, lesptr: my opinion is closer to reality than yours.
    Not even close. Out of all the forums I’m on, you are the only dumbass by far.
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    « Reply #28 on: December 08, 2020, 06:37:14 pm »
     :rotfl

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    « Reply #29 on: December 08, 2020, 06:48:20 pm »
    Poor old horse.  :facepalm
    And the award for "failure at reading comprehension" goes to... y'all.

    The QAnon claims are that Haspel was arrested for treason, or injured in the raid, or found dead, some combination of all three, etc.

    All false.

    If there were any truth to these, do you think *ANYBODY* would sit on that? Really? Something of that historical significance? Bull#$%.

    What's a "QAnon"?   :hmm   

    Does the term "factcheck" used anywhere in connection with a published media report automatically confer the status of unassailable truth to that media report?   If not, does that make the term "factcheck" synonymous with the term " Bull#$%." ?    :hmm

    Please define " . . . y'all" in this context.    :coffee
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    « Reply #30 on: December 08, 2020, 08:21:30 pm »
    The issue I have been having with the mentioned operation is all the information I have found has been circular in nature, one article referencing another article that references the first article.

    I would like to see some facts beyond hearsay. It may never come even if true.

    The bigger issue I have is the media just telling me, nothing to see here, this is all normal, how dare Trump go through the courts OR even question the counts. I believe everyone is entitled to their day in court. If everything is great and on the up and up. Then why does the media even care. Hilary told Biden to never concede to Trump under any circumstances. Why is Trump not given the same leeway as Biden on this issue?

    The only time in my life I have been told , nothing to see, everything is normal and I cannot go look myself. Was when one brother shot the other one in the head with a shotgun, and then wished to set it up as suicide.

    I am just a dumb hick living in the middle of the country, but the whole mess going on right now feels and smells pretty funny. I am not ready to taste it yet, and make sure it is bulls___. 
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    « Reply #31 on: December 09, 2020, 01:03:54 am »
    Back to the reading comprehension issue, where did you see anyone here discussing a "QAnnon" claim?     
    AFAIK, you were the first to bring up the Director of the CIA.   

    And the award for "failure at reading comprehension" goes to... y'all.

    The QAnon claims are that Haspel was arrested for treason, or injured in the raid, or found dead, some combination of all three, etc.

    All false.

    If there were any truth to these, do you think *ANYBODY* would sit on that? Really? Something of that historical significance? Bull#$%.

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    « Reply #32 on: December 09, 2020, 09:51:40 am »
    As GlockLobster suggested, you google "Frankfurt" & "CIA", and your results are this: https://www.google.com/search?q=frankfurt+cia&rlz=1C1GCEU_enUS895US895&oq=frankfurt+CIA&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0i457j0l5j69i60.3492j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    The first article is The Military Times refuting McInerney's claim, then Reuter's Fact Check article regarding Haspel, the first paragraph of which reads:

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    Social media users have been sharing content online that claims Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Director Gina Haspel was arrested, injured or found dead. These claims, likely stemming from QAnon conspiracy theorists, are false.

    Coelecanth, if you don't know what QAnon is this far into Trump's administration, you can hardly call yourself an informed voter. It's a BS conspiracy forum on reddit, and it's been quoted by Gohmert, Trump, and a host of other people supporting Trump, including Alex Jones (which should give you a pretty good clue as to how BS it is).  The PizzaGate BS is a part of it.  It pays to be aware of what our "leaders" are saying, and where it comes from.  Personally, my money is on QAnon being the result of basement trolls, seeing how far they can push things.

    Second paragraph reads:

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    The screenshot of an article dated Nov. 29, 2020 in this post  here  , claims that Haspel was arrested after she was injured in Frankfurt, Germany during a CIA raid to secure “the servers”. 

    So, there are all sorts of conflicting reports - Special Forces raiding a CIA server farm, the CIA raiding a Scytl farm, Haspel injured/found dead/tried for treason, etc.

    The first Reuters article links to the second, regarding the raid.

    Second paragraph:

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    An article (here), called “INTEL: US Military Raided Scytl Servers in Germany For Evidence After Vote Switching Scandal”, was published by GreatGameIndia, and shared on social media here , here and here . The article claims, “According to intelligence sources US Military raided voting machine company Scytl servers in Germany for evidence of manipulation in 2020 US Elections […] The votes cast by Americans in 2020 US election were counted by a bankrupt Spanish company Scytl in Spain.”

    Follow the links inside the article.

    It all smells worse than something Plebian would avoid stepping in during research in the field.

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    « Reply #33 on: December 09, 2020, 10:45:38 pm »
    So, instead of taking for granted I don't frequent conspiracy sites you decide to accuse me of being an uninformed voter because you have consumed more of that kind of thing than I have?   Interesting.    :hmm

    Your stated faith in media corporations' commitment to "Telling the Truth." is puzzling.  It was probably a charming trait when you were very young and still waiting for Santa Claus' arrival on Christmas eve but for a grown man to espouse such nonsense indicates, at best, a lack of critical thinking skill(s).  Are you employed by or otherwise affiliated with that industry?  Are you in the business of offering instruction to budding journalists?  If so that might explain some of your positions and statements.   

    I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who means well and has compassion for his fellow man - including those he might be in sharp disagreement with.   I can even understand a spirited defense of an otherwise logically indefensible position - if it is vital for keeping food on the table and the bill collectors at bay.  That said, if none of the previously mentioned conditions apply I am left with little to explain your condition.  In that case you are either suffering late stage Trump Derangement Syndrome or are a religious zealot who's deity is apparently the apparatus of the state. 



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    « Reply #34 on: December 09, 2020, 10:52:52 pm »
    So, instead of taking for granted I don't frequent conspiracy sites you decide to accuse me of being an uninformed voter because you have consumed more of that kind of thing than I have?   Interesting.    :hmm

    Your stated faith in media corporations' commitment to "Telling the Truth." is puzzling.  It was probably a charming trait when you were very young and still waiting for Santa Claus' arrival on Christmas eve but for a grown man to espouse such nonsense indicates, at best, a lack of critical thinking skill(s).  Are you employed by or otherwise affiliated with that industry?  Are you in the business of offering instruction to budding journalists?  If so that might explain some of your positions and statements.   

    I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who means well and has compassion for his fellow man - including those he might be in sharp disagreement with.   I can even understand a spirited defense of an otherwise logically indefensible position - if it is vital for keeping food on the table and the bill collectors at bay.  That said, if none of the previously mentioned conditions apply I am left with little to explain your condition.  In that case you are either suffering late stage Trump Derangement Syndrome or are a religious zealot who's deity is apparently the apparatus of the state.
    Once again I will throw this out there.

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    « Reply #35 on: December 09, 2020, 10:54:09 pm »
    And in case you don’t understand what C did to you just now booksmart, this will splain it to you.

    « Last Edit: December 09, 2020, 11:57:37 pm by lesptr »
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    « Reply #36 on: December 11, 2020, 12:56:56 pm »
    So, instead of taking for granted I don't frequent conspiracy sites you decide to accuse me of being an uninformed voter because you have consumed more of that kind of thing than I have?   Interesting.    :hmm

    Your stated faith in media corporations' commitment to "Telling the Truth." is puzzling.  It was probably a charming trait when you were very young and still waiting for Santa Claus' arrival on Christmas eve but for a grown man to espouse such nonsense indicates, at best, a lack of critical thinking skill(s).  Are you employed by or otherwise affiliated with that industry?  Are you in the business of offering instruction to budding journalists?  If so that might explain some of your positions and statements.   

    I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who means well and has compassion for his fellow man - including those he might be in sharp disagreement with.   I can even understand a spirited defense of an otherwise logically indefensible position - if it is vital for keeping food on the table and the bill collectors at bay.  That said, if none of the previously mentioned conditions apply I am left with little to explain your condition.  In that case you are either suffering late stage Trump Derangement Syndrome or are a religious zealot who's deity is apparently the apparatus of the state. 

    Yes.  If you're not acquainting yourself with the the basic facts of an issue, and taking Trump (or any politician, admittedly) at face value, you are an ill-informed citizen.  Trump has endorsed QAnon conspiracies at multiple events, as have other conservative politicians - some of whom have received praise on this board.

    Do all media organizations have the same respect for their duties to the Republic? No, there are far too many that worship at the foot of the almighty dollar and it's sister, ratings ("If it bleeds, it leads" being a prime example).  Your failure to see journalists as individuals in an industry instead of some vast liberal conspiracy, however, is no less a disservice to the same duty to be informed.  Know your information, and where your leaders get their information from.  If one of them is spouting off Alex Jones inspired garbage, you might want to rethink accepting his leadership.

    Where do you get your news? How do you keep yourself informed?

    Lesptr: swing and a miss, is a better description.


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    « Reply #37 on: December 11, 2020, 01:29:06 pm »
    Yes.  If you're not acquainting yourself with the the basic facts of an issue, and taking Trump (or any politician, admittedly) at face value, you are an ill-informed citizen.  Trump has endorsed QAnon conspiracies at multiple events, as have other conservative politicians - some of whom have received praise on this board.

    Do all media organizations have the same respect for their duties to the Republic? No, there are far too many that worship at the foot of the almighty dollar and it's sister, ratings ("If it bleeds, it leads" being a prime example).  Your failure to see journalists as individuals in an industry instead of some vast liberal conspiracy, however, is no less a disservice to the same duty to be informed.  Know your information, and where your leaders get their information from.  If one of them is spouting off Alex Jones inspired garbage, you might want to rethink accepting his leadership.

    Where do you get your news? How do you keep yourself informed?

    Lesptr: swing and a miss, is a better description.


    You are a lost cause. It’s sad that you actually believe the crap you post.

    Lost cause.
    I’m out.
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    « Reply #38 on: December 11, 2020, 01:31:43 pm »
    Yes.  If you're not acquainting yourself with the the basic facts of an issue, and taking Trump (or any politician, admittedly) at face value, you are an ill-informed citizen.  Trump has endorsed QAnon conspiracies at multiple events, as have other conservative politicians - some of whom have received praise on this board.

    Do all media organizations have the same respect for their duties to the Republic? No, there are far too many that worship at the foot of the almighty dollar and it's sister, ratings ("If it bleeds, it leads" being a prime example).  Your failure to see journalists as individuals in an industry instead of some vast liberal conspiracy, however, is no less a disservice to the same duty to be informed.  Know your information, and where your leaders get their information from.  If one of them is spouting off Alex Jones inspired garbage, you might want to rethink accepting his leadership.

    Where do you get your news? How do you keep yourself informed?

    Lesptr: swing and a miss, is a better description.


    And in reference to your meme, no one here, and I mean absolutely no one here values your opinion(s).

    And since I’m pretty positive that you voted for the deceiver and thief, when the gun/mag confiscations begin, I hope they go to your house first. It is what you voted for.
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    « Reply #39 on: December 11, 2020, 02:54:54 pm »
    I've always found it ironic that the crowd that believes in "rugged individualism" as a political standing is readily willing to lump an entire industry into one political leaning.

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    « Reply #40 on: December 11, 2020, 03:36:03 pm »
    Children...  STFU and go back into your corners.  No one is going to change anyone's mind here.

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    « Reply #41 on: December 11, 2020, 06:25:52 pm »
    Children...  STFU and go back into your corners.  No one is going to change anyone's mind here.
    Well said.
    I’m out.
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    « Reply #42 on: December 11, 2020, 09:04:10 pm »
    Well, since neither of us has talked with anyone directly involved in most news stories or even anyone involved in gathering or reporting the alleged facts of those stories it comes down to who we both determine to be credible, reliable sources.  We've had this discussion before - more than once as I recall - and we aren't likely to see eye to eye this time around either. 

    So, are you content to leave it there or would you like to exhume the horse carcass for yet another beating?   :coffee
    I guess you must have missed this one.  Or just ignored it.  I was trying to keep us from engaging in yet another fruitless exchange that would follow the pattern long established here but apparently you weren't having any of it.  Merry Christmas to you and yours John, and a healthy, happy new year as well.   
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    « Reply #43 on: December 14, 2020, 03:37:36 pm »
    Booksmart,

    I want to be on the record as caring what you think.  I frequently don't agree, but I am keenly interested in your opinions and the backing information that led you to your positions.

    ... you voted for the deceiver and thief...

    Not sure which candidate this calls out.  They are all deceivers and thieves.
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    « Reply #44 on: December 14, 2020, 08:40:26 pm »
    Merry Christmas, and Happy Holidays, everyone. Stay safe.

    And yeah, C, I ignored that one. On purpose. ;-)

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    « Reply #45 on: December 14, 2020, 08:46:50 pm »
    Merry Christmas, and Happy Holidays, everyone. Stay safe.

    And yeah, C, I ignored that one. On purpose. ;-)
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    « Reply #46 on: December 14, 2020, 10:58:03 pm »
    Awww,   that's so cuuute!!! :-[
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