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    Re: Election fraud, coups and testimony by credible people.
    « Reply #1 on: November 30, 2020, 08:19:03 pm »
    I have not been to that site before but the interview seemed well handled.  I agree - no real surprise.  Those responsible have been telegraphing their intent for years and even their tactics in the lead-up to the general election.   Oddly enough they are mostly the same people who went after Gen. Flynn with a vengeance. 
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    « Reply #2 on: November 30, 2020, 08:38:54 pm »

    I found it surprising when they were discussing U.S. Special forces taking casualties in Frankfurt Germany when they seized the servers that the CIA had there. (At about the 43 minute mark).


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    « Reply #3 on: December 02, 2020, 11:42:52 pm »
    Agreed. The general said he couldn't confirm it but if U.S. personnel were wounded or killed in that operation the fertilizer has definitely contacted the ventilator.  In terms of how this feels on the danger scale, I'm getting the same vibe as the Cuban missile crisis in 1963. 
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    Re: Election fraud, coups and testimony by credible people.
    « Reply #4 on: December 03, 2020, 02:11:54 am »
    Am I wrong in thinking that, if what is being purported is true, that a "hammer and tongs" level of brutality in response is warranted?   

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    « Reply #5 on: December 03, 2020, 11:43:14 am »
    It would be crazy if it was true,  that's some Tom Clancy stuff right there.   Unfortunately,  it's difficult to verify if it happened or if it is just complete bulls___.

    It would be nice if it was true (not that it was good that casualties happened),  but it would at least show that some elements of the government weren't completely lost.   One thing the last few years has proved is that the rot is all throughout most government agencies at both the federal and local levels, large chunks of the military (especially senior leadership), and most of Corporate America.   It's depressing watching the country head straight over the cliff and the people in position to help are just making the problems worse.   
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    « Reply #6 on: December 03, 2020, 01:12:18 pm »
    General McInerney's allegations are being vehemently denied and he is being personally ridiculed and reviled in all the usual places so take that for what its worth.   :coffee
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    « Reply #7 on: December 03, 2020, 01:46:46 pm »
    Of course.   It would be good if there was independent verification or something like cell phone or surveillance video of the operation.   Of course that is unlikely.  If it is true, we've basically got a shooting war between different elements of the government and all sorts of sneaky s___ going on.

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    « Reply #8 on: December 03, 2020, 02:43:57 pm »
    At the very least it calls into question what is the CIA doing with a server farm in Frankfurt, no?   :hmm
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    « Reply #9 on: December 04, 2020, 12:00:52 pm »
    Occam's razor, guys... why would the CIA need to put a data center in Germany when they undoubtedly have dozens here, perfectly capable of performing the operation?

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    « Reply #10 on: December 04, 2020, 06:09:36 pm »
    Same reason they send captured Tangos to facilities in other countries...to avoid being in U.S. legal jurisdiction.
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    « Reply #11 on: December 04, 2020, 08:49:03 pm »
    Beat me to it.   :cool    That and the principle only really applies in a situation where intentional misdirection is unlikely.   Hardly the forte' of the CIA or any other clandestine intelligence agency.   :coffee
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    « Reply #12 on: December 04, 2020, 11:58:33 pm »
    What an interesting coincidence.....ABC News near Ft Bragg are reporting that two Special Forces NCO's have been "found dead in the woods" on base and the Army is stating the deaths are not training related.   
    If the cause of death turns out to be GSW I'm going to need a much thicker layer of tinfoil.....
     
    General McInerney's allegations are being vehemently denied and he is being personally ridiculed and reviled in all the usual places so take that for what its worth.   :coffee

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    « Reply #13 on: December 05, 2020, 09:14:42 pm »
    You really think that would slow 'em down in an operation that would be illegal to begin with?

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    « Reply #14 on: December 05, 2020, 10:12:47 pm »
    Slow whom down, and which operation would be illegal?
    SF or CIA?
    A raid on A CIA server farm purported to have been used in US election fraud by US Forces under orders, or the operation of a server farm by a US Intelligence agency  doing so to manipulate elections in the US?
    You really think that would slow 'em down in an operation that would be illegal to begin with?

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    « Reply #15 on: December 06, 2020, 12:07:59 am »
    It wouldn't surprise me if the CIA was up to shenanigans.   Just look at their history, both in the US and abroad.    It would still be pretty crazy if the story was true.  Unfortunately, we'll probably never know one way or the other.  If we do find out, it will probably be decades from now.   
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    « Reply #16 on: December 06, 2020, 02:13:55 am »

    Saw another video of a fellow who says that the was a standoff between the SF people and the CIA station chief, who drew a pistol. The CIA guy was wounded and there were no other casualties.

    If I can find the link I'll post it.

    More reports can be found at b____ute if you search for "Frankfurt" and "CIA". Use your judgement.


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    « Reply #17 on: December 06, 2020, 10:54:40 am »
    Saw another video of a fellow who says that the was a standoff between the SF people and the CIA station chief, who drew a pistol. The CIA guy was wounded and there were no other casualties.

    If I can find the link I'll post it.

    More reports can be found at b____ute if you search for "Frankfurt" and "CIA". Use your judgement.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-election-syctl-military/fact-check-the-u-s-military-has-not-seized-election-servers-in-germany-idUSKBN27W1UW

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-cia-director-gina-haspel-ar/fact-checkcia-director-gina-haspel-was-not-arrested-injured-or-found-dead-idUSKBN28E215

    Reuters doesn't play around when it comes to fact checking.  They will have numerous sources confirming a story before they will run it.

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    « Reply #18 on: December 06, 2020, 10:30:37 pm »
     :facepalm
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    « Reply #19 on: December 07, 2020, 09:31:40 am »
    Who're you going to believe, people that have talked to entities involved, or third hand reports from people who haven't been within 1000 miles of the supposed incident?

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    « Reply #20 on: December 07, 2020, 08:23:27 pm »
    Well, since neither of us has talked with anyone directly involved in most news stories or even anyone involved in gathering or reporting the alleged facts of those stories it comes down to who we both determine to be credible, reliable sources.  We've had this discussion before - more than once as I recall - and we aren't likely to see eye to eye this time around either. 

    So, are you content to leave it there or would you like to exhume the horse carcass for yet another beating?   :coffee
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    « Reply #21 on: December 07, 2020, 08:27:11 pm »
    Well, since neither of us has talked with anyone directly involved in most news stories or even anyone involved in gathering or reporting the alleged facts of those stories it comes down to who we both determine to be credible, reliable sources.  We've had this discussion before - more than once as I recall - and we aren't likely to see eye to eye this time around either. 

    So, are you content to leave it there or would you like to exhume the horse carcass for yet another beating?   :coffee
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    « Reply #22 on: December 08, 2020, 12:38:36 am »

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-cia-director-gina-haspel-ar/fact-checkcia-director-gina-haspel-was-not-arrested-injured-or-found-dead-idUSKBN28E215




    Station Chief ≠ CIA Director.

    That was like responding to a claim that the manager of the local McDonald's was shot during a robbery and responding that the claim was false because the CEO of McDonald's is alive and well.

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    « Reply #23 on: December 08, 2020, 08:50:46 am »
    And the award for "failure at reading comprehension" goes to... y'all.

    The QAnon claims are that Haspel was arrested for treason, or injured in the raid, or found dead, some combination of all three, etc.

    All false.

    If there were any truth to these, do you think *ANYBODY* would sit on that? Really? Something of that historical significance? Bull#$%.

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    « Reply #24 on: December 08, 2020, 01:40:36 pm »
    Newsflash for you, folks: there's as broad a political representation in journalism as there is in any other industry, with the addition of people that set aside that political affiliation for the most important job and duty in journalism: Telling the Truth.

    In other words, if Fox isn't willing to carry the story you're screaming about (like the Hunter Biden Laptop BS), then there's a very, *VERY* large chance it's full blown BS.

    Additionally, there are FAR too many people with smart phones.  A midnight raid on a server farm in the middle of Frankfurt, a fairly populous city in a fairly technical society, replete with gunfire? That s#$% would be ALL OVER the place.

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