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« Reply #75 on: July 21, 2012, 11:49:50 pm »
It remains to be seen, but it doesn't appear he had the years of prior craziness like the guys in Tucson or Virginia Tech.    I guess we will just have to wait and see when more information is available. 
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    « Reply #76 on: July 22, 2012, 01:25:14 pm »
    http://news.yahoo.com/calls-gun-control-stir-little-support-132319718.html

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    « Reply #77 on: July 22, 2012, 04:16:36 pm »
    It remains to be seen, but it doesn't appear he had the years of prior craziness like the guys in Tucson or Virginia Tech.    I guess we will just have to wait and see when more information is available. 

    I was reading that he may suffer from a genetic form of schizophrenia that doesn't manifest until the 20's or 30's.  I remain skeptical until I see better evidence but is does fit what I've read about the case so far.
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    « Reply #78 on: July 22, 2012, 04:16:49 pm »
    For what it's worth, I read this comment at HotAir today.......

    "Woot!

    I’m picking up my brand spanking new gen-4 .40cal Glock-22 at 11:11am tomorrow morning (paperwork filled out and purchase made at 11:10am nine days ago — 10 days to the minute!).

    Oh yeah — by the way…

    If you live in California ya’ll best get your guns ASAP if you’re in the market. San Francisco Democrats along with some various Democrat sponsors throughout the state are getting ready to make a massive push on gun control due to this Aurora tragedy — and since the Libtards rule everything and have for so long it’s going to be a hatchet job on the rights of California resident American’s that will make history. They’ve had all kinds of legislative proposals on the ready for quite some time — updating as necessary — just so they can submit them when the time is right. They’ve been waiting patiently for a tragedy that “shocks the public’s conscience” such as this Aurora, Colorado tragedy to whip em out and slap em down on the table.

    That’s according to my Father-in-law who is a Republican California State Assemblyman. He’s livid about it so it must be truly heinous. I’ve never seen nor heard him like this before.



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    « Reply #79 on: July 22, 2012, 04:23:45 pm »
    I was reading that he may suffer from a genetic form of schizophrenia that doesn't manifest until the 20's or 30's.  I remain skeptical until I see better evidence but is does fit what I've read about the case so far.

    That could be the case. There are some forms of schizoprenia that suddenly show up later in life.   People will be fine, then all of a sudden they start seeing s___ all at once.    I remember reading an interview from someone that developed it in college.  Everything was normal, then one day when she was walking to class, she looked up and noticed the sky cracking and falling down in shards.   

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    « Reply #80 on: July 22, 2012, 04:45:27 pm »
    There is a lot of speculation going on that he was associated with the OWS group. Wouldn't that be a bit of a change? I am waiting for one of the news groups to pick up on it.
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    « Reply #81 on: July 22, 2012, 06:17:54 pm »
    What I'm seeing so far is reports of association with OWS, specifically OWS/BB (Black Bloc), an openly pro-violence bunch.  Photos show placards saying things like:  "all my heroes kill cops."



    If those are his homies, the OWS connection might not be as far fetched as all that.

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    « Reply #82 on: July 22, 2012, 06:51:35 pm »
    Are these CREDIBLE reports of OWS association? Or optimistic reports of OWS association? Don't get me wrong, I'd be DELIGHTED if this guy was a left wing nutjob. But running around starting or furthering unsubstantiated rumors about his involvement with groups we dislike is no more useful than CNN or HLN saying he had Tea Party ties.

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    « Reply #83 on: July 22, 2012, 06:55:32 pm »
    FYI Obama will be addressing the nation at 7:30pm Eastern tonight. Should be interesting to see what he's going to say...

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    « Reply #84 on: July 22, 2012, 07:21:53 pm »
    No CREDIBLE media sources have picked up on it. But, if there are rumblings of the association then hopefully someone like Fox will look into it. They were incensed at the Tea Party associations made by CNN, they will due the proper homework to vet the information before going public with it. I hope they have seen the rumblings and are already looking into it. Time will tell.

    The Black Bloc has been talking about everything from acts of civil disobedience to destruction of financial infrastructure and overt acts of violence for several months now. And I find it ironic that they do so openly! If a Tea Party or conservative group was talking about targeting the UN or federal agency they would be all over the news 24/7, just like this $#it head. I find the disparity insulting and very telling.
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    « Reply #85 on: July 22, 2012, 07:31:49 pm »
    Well, you know what's just a sign of how oppressed the youth are by the capitalist system stacked against them. If the right were to do it they would be bitter racist xenophobes clinging to guns and bibles. Of course.

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    « Reply #86 on: July 22, 2012, 08:33:49 pm »
    What I'm seeing so far is reports of association with OWS, specifically OWS/BB (Black Bloc), an openly pro-violence bunch.  Photos show placards saying things like:  "all my heroes kill cops."



    If those are his homies, the OWS connection might not be as far fetched as all that.



    ...and when a fellow OWS camp follower cracks that sign holder's head over a bag of dope or you name it, she will immediately call 911 and demand the cops. They want all of the benefits of modern society but none of the responsibilities or expectations
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    « Reply #87 on: July 22, 2012, 08:46:34 pm »
    Speaking of OWS jackassery, alternet and huffpo have been screaming for new gun/ammo bans since the attack. The rabid left does not seem to want this tradgedy to go to waste. If this nut does end up affiliated with OWS, I bet you will hear nothing but crickets chirping in fairly short order.
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    « Reply #88 on: July 22, 2012, 09:49:06 pm »
    The Black Bloc has been talking about everything from acts of civil disobedience to destruction of financial infrastructure and overt acts of violence for several months now. And I find it ironic that they do so openly!

    More like for several decades.  The various fringe elements that began attending protests from the'70's and '80's that came to riot and fight rather than peacefully protest became known as "black blocs" because of their propensity for wearing black hoodies, gasmasks, bandanas,gloves, and so forth to at once conceal their identity and paradoxically declare their role in a riot.

    There is no "Black Bloc" in the sense that there is an organized PLA, IRA, Al Queda...  While there are some theorists and organizations, publications, websites, for example, that front for and influence the "movement", a core value of black bloc'ers is anarchy.  In reality, this is just a framework that rationalizes their acting out anti-socially.  In reality, some of them might even buy into the rationalisation, but really, most of them just want to "fight the man" and get away with it.  Some of them have issues and vendettas, most of them just want to score with chicks for whom all her heroes kill cops.

    What it means practically though is that there is no defined structure for law enforcement or the media to define or investigate.  Black blocs are easy to join or infiltrate.

    Read a book or the material on a website.  Show up at a public event with your hoodie, gloves, gas mask, and incendiary devices in a gym bag.  Once there, change into your action gear.  Look for others similarly dressed or wait for them to gravitate to you.  Get together in a group, have a quick discussion, elect group leaders.  Then action.  You are working with people whom, although you don't know them, have read the same books, web sites, or have attended the same seminars.  So you all know the tactics.

    After action, you buzz out the way you came in.  Change clothes, and fluff off.

    That's how it works. And it's pretty much annonymous.

    Some people travel from event to event doing this.  Most are opportunists.  Very few could be considered hard corps operatives that do it as a career.
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    « Reply #89 on: July 23, 2012, 12:14:05 am »
    Well, at least one source of the "ZOMG he's OWS!" has retracted/been debunked. Not sure if there are others, and if they'll suffer the same fate.

    People need to settle down, on both sides, and stop trying to spin the facts before the facts are even out. It is what it is. It will be what it will be. There will be time enough for spinning by alllllllllllllllllllllllll the chattering classes once the facts are in.

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    « Reply #90 on: July 23, 2012, 12:28:32 am »
    As if this tragedy wasn't already horrific enough, guess who's decided to show up:

    Westboro Baptist Church to picket funerals of Aurora victims

     :banghead  :vomit
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    « Reply #91 on: July 23, 2012, 12:38:15 am »
    Seriously. I don't advocate violence against people speaking their minds, even if their minds are retarded, but by golly I'm sure the police are busy and if they just can't happen to be there to insulate these wastes of space from the consequences of their actions, I would not shed one tear.
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    « Reply #92 on: July 23, 2012, 12:39:54 am »
    ... Look for others similarly dressed or wait for them to gravitate to you.  Get together in a group, have a quick discussion, elect group leaders. 

    Ha! They elect group leaders? I thought these clowns were Anarchists
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    « Reply #93 on: July 23, 2012, 12:42:11 am »
    As if this tragedy wasn't already horrific enough, guess who's decided to show up:

    Westboro Baptist Church to picket funerals of Aurora victims

     :banghead  :vomit

    Ya know there will come a time when WBC will mess with the wroooong person's funeral and the family just won't give a damn about the legal or other consequences of dealing out an ass whoopin'. Its gonna happen some day. It almost has in a couple of places in the South from what I've heard.

    When my nephew went off to the Army, I asked my dad what would happen if WBC showed up at his funeral if he died in combat. Dad said that my nephew's two maternal great-uncles from up around Boone, NC, would kill them and not break a sweat.
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    « Reply #94 on: July 23, 2012, 12:44:11 am »
    Are these CREDIBLE reports of OWS association? Or optimistic reports of OWS association? Don't get me wrong, I'd be DELIGHTED if this guy was a left wing nutjob. But running around starting or furthering unsubstantiated rumors about his involvement with groups we dislike is no more useful than CNN or HLN saying he had Tea Party ties.

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    Helped my wife research this at more depth this afternoon.

    The report is not reliable.

    Repeat:  The OWS report is not reliable.

    At this point it looks like an "educated guess" by a profiler, but of course you have to dig down into things to get that tiny mention.

    At this point I'm back to my "anarchist butterfly effect" theory, the notion that if you agitate long enough and encourage violence often enough, and assure yourself of a broad pool of candidates having no moral foundation, you will eventually be able to harvest an event of this kind, even as you feign shock and horror from your podium.

    One other thing, though.

    He didn't do this alone.

    Someone let him in that fire door.  Early reports that he "kicked in the door" are entirely bogus.  Those doors are heavy, made of steel, often have no outside handles, open outward only.  There is no way you're going to "kick in" one of those doors.  Someone had to let him in.

    I don't have any data on that.
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    « Reply #95 on: July 23, 2012, 12:51:17 am »
    Ha! They elect group leaders? I thought these clowns were Anarchists
    You laugh. I once saw some hipster posting a flyer on the corkboard of the local coffee shop. I sauntered over. It said, I defecate thee not, "ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING OF THE ANARCHIST PARTY".

    I started laughing. He looked at me. "What?"

    "Really? You have to ask 'what?' You're announcing the date and time of an organizational meeting of the anarchist party. You can't see the irony?"

    He rolled his eyes. "Why? You have to have some structure to get anything accomplished."

    "mhmmmm."

    "No, really. You can't just all do your own thing."

    "That would be anarchy."

    "Y- no. I mean- Uh."

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    He grasped a talking point and wielded it like a rapier. "Just because we're anarchists doesn't mean that we don't acknowledge the usefulness, sometimes even need for structures."

    "Have you considered the possibility that you're just really poor anarchists?"

    At this point he rolled his eyes again and walked away.

    I think I won that one.

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    « Reply #96 on: July 23, 2012, 12:58:30 am »
    Arfin-

    There's some conflicting reports on that, which is 100% normal after a major event. The best explanation I have seen that does NOT call for an accomplice is that he bought a ticket, went in, exited the fire escape and blocked it open, then returned through it and opened fire.

    The obvious other option is an accomplice. The obvious problems with the single-gunman theory are that a lot of doors like that are alarmed (though not all), and it also means that someone could unblock the door behind you and leave you outside, all tac'ed up with no one to shoot.

    We'll see.

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    « Reply #97 on: July 23, 2012, 01:12:20 am »
    Ha! They elect group leaders? I thought these clowns were Anarchists

    ?

    Being an anarchist does not mean that one is diametically opposed to everyone else's views automatically.  Nor does it mean that one cannot accept temporary leadership to fulfil a common goal.  In fact, that is one of the core values of anarchism.  The freedom to accept and form associations, or deny them, based on personal choice, not majority rule.
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    « Reply #98 on: July 23, 2012, 01:14:59 am »
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    The best explanation I have seen that does NOT call for an accomplice is that he bought a ticket, went in, exited the fire escape and blocked it open, then returned through it and opened fire.

    Or he entered the fire escape door from the outside without entering the theater in the first place, and without the help of an accomplice (there are ways, depending on door construction/features)





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    « Reply #99 on: July 23, 2012, 02:37:05 am »
    In response to Mamba1-0's earlier post re California, that scenario is more than likely - in fact, Feinstein was on Chris Wallace today calling for her AWB to return. I know she's a US senator, but she's a good reflection of what the libs in Sacramento are thinking. I wish I had the funds to buy a couple ARs now while I still can - even California-neutered versions.

    I don't think that, even with this tragedy, there's the political clout to get anything done federally, at least through Congress (although I wouldnt hold it past Obama to try to use executive fiat), but we still need to be ready to counter the Anti's cries to "do something!".

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