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Re: Colorado Shooting
« Reply #100 on: July 23, 2012, 06:06:30 am »
Right. The usual suspects will try. I am not sure how much traction they will have, given that dems don't hold the house, and as a political species they have problems enough already. I'm cautiously optimistic. If this had happened in 2009, before they realized how badly they had overstepped already, I would have said we were in serious trouble.

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    « Reply #101 on: July 23, 2012, 01:11:50 pm »
    In response to Mamba1-0's earlier post re California, that scenario is more than likely - in fact, Feinstein was on Chris Wallace today calling for her AWB to return. I know she's a US senator, but she's a good reflection of what the libs in Sacramento are thinking. I wish I had the funds to buy a couple ARs now while I still can - even California-neutered versions.

    I don't think that, even with this tragedy, there's the political clout to get anything done federally, at least through Congress (although I wouldnt hold it past Obama to try to use executive fiat), but we still need to be ready to counter the Anti's cries to "do something!".

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    Guns were already not allowed in that theater. 
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    Murder is illegal.
    Holmes didn't have a license to work with explosives, yet still assembled them.

    The laws didn't work.  The sociopath worked the system and people died. 

    Holmes wanted to be the Joker (so why'd he make his hair Bozo colored?), let us be glad he didn't make a chlorine and bleach gas cocktail, like that psycho would have.

    I just wish someone would have wanted to be Batman.

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    « Reply #102 on: July 23, 2012, 01:40:54 pm »
    Batman? I would rather have The Punisher on hand.
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    « Reply #103 on: July 23, 2012, 03:02:47 pm »
    Batman? I would rather have The Punisher on hand.

    The crazy had body armor and tear gas.  Plus, I'd thought about the Punisher, but it didn't match the poetry, and Frank only brings gas masks and AP ammo when he's expecting those kinds of enemies. 
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    « Reply #104 on: July 23, 2012, 03:21:54 pm »
    Even with a Democrat controlled legislature, the antis have made little progress in California.  The ammo registration law was knocked down as vague and the replacement bill was vetoed.  Mike (Der) Feuer was able to cram through long gun registration beginning in 2014.  The "loophole" in the Mulford Act (Thanks, Ronnie) that allowed unloaded open carry was "closed".  The most threatening bill so far this year is the attempt by Leland Yee to regulate the bullet button and it is so poorly written that it is likely to be thrown out.
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    « Reply #105 on: July 23, 2012, 03:32:41 pm »
    I hope you're right Scarville.

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    « Reply #106 on: July 23, 2012, 03:48:02 pm »
    I hope you're right Scarville.

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    The Yahoo news article I posted yesterday was filled with hand-wringing at the Democrats' inability to pass new gun controls. 
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    « Reply #107 on: July 23, 2012, 05:56:35 pm »
    On one of the news shows yesterday, they had a roundtable discussion and one guy was an advisor to Obama. He stated that there was no way another AWB would be likely or anything of that nature for the simple fact that most people are against it in polls and the recent SCOTUS decisions pretty much puts legislation like that dead in the water. Some of the crazier ,no crazier works, members of the Democratic party would call for it but most would see at as political suicide. So there is that.
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    « Reply #108 on: July 23, 2012, 08:07:29 pm »
    Even with a Democrat controlled legislature, the antis have made little progress in California.  The ammo registration law was knocked down as vague and the replacement bill was vetoed.  Mike (Der) Feuer was able to cram through long gun registration beginning in 2014.  The "loophole" in the Mulford Act (Thanks, Ronnie) that allowed unloaded open carry was "closed".  The most threatening bill so far this year is the attempt by Leland Yee to regulate the bullet button and it is so poorly written that it is likely to be thrown out.


    Ask Canada how long gun registration worked sooooooooooooooooo very well up there! NOT!

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    « Reply #109 on: July 23, 2012, 08:45:22 pm »
    I hope you're right Scarville.

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    Me too :).  In truth, I think California will be one of the last places to significantly increase gun control in the near term.

    Nevertheless, even if the antis cannot ban firearms outright they still have other avenues of attack. Use of zoning laws to restrict ammunition sales and keep gun stores and ranges out of "our" city.  Expanding the definition of a prohibited person may be a profitable area for them.  Do you want "crazy" people to own guns?  Do you want a convicted felon (like Martha Stewart) owning a gun?  Once the state has the power to deny anyone a fundamental right without due process it is no longer an argument about rights but only where to draw the line between the haves and the have-nots.  Antis have proven very adept at slowly moving that line.
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    « Reply #110 on: July 23, 2012, 10:28:52 pm »
    "When in the course of Human events it becomes necessary for a people..."

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    « Reply #111 on: July 23, 2012, 11:31:17 pm »
      I believe legislation for stricter gun control is simply something the people just don't want and have made abundantly clear to the elected and appointed officials on both the state and federal levels...and strangely enough it seems that for the most part the elected and appointed are listening, especially after the mid-term elections of 2010.
      I also think it has less to do w/ active shooters and violent crime in general, than it has with an overall perception across the nation that the greater reason for arms ownership is concern w/ unjust officials in government.
      But back on topic, what is it w/ Colorado? First Columbine, then the Mega-church & missionary training ctr outside Denver, where the active shooter was put down by the female security guard back in 2007, now this......The people of Colorado sure seems to have had it's fair share of it.
      When I think of the cinema incident, I just can't help but to compare it w/ the Trolley Square or the Mega-church incident and others, where the immediate action of armed individuals kept the murdering to a minimum by keeping the murderers contained and shutting them down quickly.
      I've noticed in the past few yrs that more and more states are going for the Vermont style carry laws....We can only hope there's more of that kind of decision making to come.
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    « Reply #112 on: July 23, 2012, 11:44:44 pm »
    I think that the NRA and the major gun makers pooled their advertising budget and bought out MSNBC. Those numbnuts are going to double gun sales in the next few weeks if they keep on. At this rate people wont be able to afford the pre election (and possibly post election) panic buying.
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    « Reply #113 on: July 24, 2012, 12:13:55 pm »
    Not to downplay the efforts and successes of the police and bomb squad guys, but the media keeps saying how sophisticated these devices were. Bull crap! Trip wires are one of the oldest and most simplistic ways to initiate a device. Had this guy gone to home depot and bought a do it yourself home alarm and back up battery his could have made it impossible for them to get into the apt. And ensured a good detonation. Collapsible circuits, motion detectors, door and window sensors.... I could go on and on and I'm not even a bomb tech! They bomb techs did a great job, but stop telling everyone how cleaver this guy was and how he made such a complicated device. In a round about way you are giving this guy some good publicity. There is nothing good, clever or smart about this pos.



    Maybe they were calling them 'sophisticated' because the guy actually took an hour to do some research on bomb making.

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    « Reply #114 on: July 24, 2012, 12:26:24 pm »
    Ask Canada how long gun registration worked sooooooooooooooooo very well up there! NOT!

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    « Reply #115 on: July 27, 2012, 01:45:46 am »
    Me too :).  In truth, I think California will be one of the last places to significantly increase gun control in the near term.

    Nevertheless, even if the antis cannot ban firearms outright they still have other avenues of attack. Use of zoning laws to restrict ammunition sales and keep gun stores and ranges out of "our" city.  Expanding the definition of a prohibited person may be a profitable area for them.  Do you want "crazy" people to own guns?  Do you want a convicted felon (like Martha Stewart) owning a gun?  Once the state has the power to deny anyone a fundamental right without due process it is no longer an argument about rights but only where to draw the line between the haves and the have-nots.  Antis have proven very adept at slowly moving that line.


    Zoning laws and stuff?  Reminds me of San Francisco.  But it's OK, there are plenty of shops in the Bay Area to make up for that. 

    Within a 30 mile radius of my current position:
    *Bunch of Big 5 stores
    *Golden Gate Guns
    *Tabors
    *Jackson Arms
    *City Arms
    *Imbert&Smithers
    (And I'm sure I'm missing others)
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