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Title: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: aikorob on April 07, 2013, 03:14:35 pm
UP Challenger #3985 + 143 Freight Cars (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhgHrDbN4EU#)

originally built in '43
normal power today is 3 diesels on point and one in the middle---and this one is by itself

another of the icons of American industry and invention


Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: coelacanth on April 07, 2013, 04:54:06 pm
That is freekin' awesome.  I love to go to the old time farm machinery shows and watch the steam powered stuff run.  I think that engine is just about the pinnacle of development, though.  Thanks for posting.   :clap
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: ksuguy on April 07, 2013, 05:23:43 pm
I got to travel on the BNSF employee train almost 20 years ago.  They move it around the country and take little excursions for all the employees and their families..   It was pretty cool.  We spent part of the trip in the observation car,  and then we went to one of the private passenger coaches.  I'm guessing it dated from the 1940's or 1950's.    I just wish it was feasible to travel by train from here.  Unfortunately there is only one Amtrak route here, and I would have to board in the middle of the night and then backtrack all the way to Chicago to go anywhere other than Southern California (blech!).   

It's a shame that passenger rail travel had died off here in the United States.  I would much rather do that than fly.  It's slower, but much more relaxing.   
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: RevDisk on April 07, 2013, 08:34:11 pm

http://www.rrmuseumpa.org/ (http://www.rrmuseumpa.org/)

There's a whole mess of coal burning trains here in PA. Bunch of them run on the weekends. The Railroad Museum is awesome. More old time trains than you can shake a stick at. Plenty of operational ones.

http://www.rrmuseumpa.org/about/roster/locomotiveroster.pdf (http://www.rrmuseumpa.org/about/roster/locomotiveroster.pdf)
http://www.rrmuseumpa.org/about/roster/passcarroster.pdf (http://www.rrmuseumpa.org/about/roster/passcarroster.pdf)
http://www.rrmuseumpa.org/about/roster/freightroster.pdf (http://www.rrmuseumpa.org/about/roster/freightroster.pdf)
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: aikorob on April 07, 2013, 10:19:45 pm
That is freekin' awesome.  I love to go to the old time farm machinery shows and watch the steam powered stuff run.  I think that engine is just about the pinnacle of development, though.  Thanks for posting.   :clap

Yeah---I have heard it said that a steam locomotive is the closest thing to a living machine we have ever made

I design and build machinery for a living, so the intricate mechanics are something to enjoy--like the action of a Henry rifle or the technology required for a full broadside from an Iowa class BB
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: Raptor on April 07, 2013, 11:32:21 pm
http://www.rrmuseumpa.org/ (http://www.rrmuseumpa.org/)

There's a whole mess of coal burning trains here in PA. Bunch of them run on the weekends. The Railroad Museum is awesome. More old time trains than you can shake a stick at. Plenty of operational ones.

http://www.rrmuseumpa.org/about/roster/locomotiveroster.pdf (http://www.rrmuseumpa.org/about/roster/locomotiveroster.pdf)
http://www.rrmuseumpa.org/about/roster/passcarroster.pdf (http://www.rrmuseumpa.org/about/roster/passcarroster.pdf)
http://www.rrmuseumpa.org/about/roster/freightroster.pdf (http://www.rrmuseumpa.org/about/roster/freightroster.pdf)

RevDisk speaks the truth. I was (and still am to some extent) a HUGE train buff when I was a kid. Rode a good portion of the tourist shortlines & toured most of the museums in Southeastern PA and the Northeast in general. The RR Museum of PA is by far the best. Likewise for the Strasburg Railroad, which is literally right across the street from the museum. Hands-down the finest tourist shortline on the East Coast. And you don't have to worry about making the hike out there to ride behind a steam locomotive only to find that they're running a diesel that day. It's all steam, all the time.

http://strasburgrailroad.com/ (http://strasburgrailroad.com/)
Title: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: Avenger29 on April 07, 2013, 11:59:26 pm
And you lucky bastards have Steamtown too
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: Raptor on April 08, 2013, 12:04:15 am
 :facepalm Can't believe I forgot about Steamtown!

And speaking of Steamtown, it's worth the trip just to see the Big Boy:

(http://members.trainorders.com/mgoldman/Big%20Boy%20Steamtown%20TO.jpg)
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: aikorob on April 08, 2013, 07:30:17 am
:facepalm Can't believe I forgot about Steamtown!

And speaking of Steamtown, it's worth the trip just to see the Big Boy:

(http://members.trainorders.com/mgoldman/Big%20Boy%20Steamtown%20TO.jpg)

That Challenger I posted is a 4-6-6-4, the Big Boy is a 4-8-8-4; designed specifically to pull freight from Ogden up over the Wasatch Mountains.  Union Pacific is supposedly in the process of re-aquiring one of these to rebuild and put in excursion service.

Raptor---Strasburg is on my bucket list
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: RevDisk on April 08, 2013, 09:03:47 pm
http://www.roughandtumble.org/ (http://www.roughandtumble.org/)

We're Pennsylvanians. We don't need no stinkin' tracks for our steam.
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: coelacanth on April 09, 2013, 03:57:21 am
THAT'S  what I'm talkin' about.   ;)
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: aikorob on April 09, 2013, 12:30:33 pm
Know Your Place - Marion 8750 Dragline Flexing Muscle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gTx7Lxx28E#ws)
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: sqlbullet on April 09, 2013, 01:18:38 pm
About 15 years or so ago I got to see a big dragline take a walk across I-70 between Terre Haute and Brazil Indiana.  It was quite a sight.

It could have held the Volvo track-hoe that just did some work at my house in it's bucket.
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: aikorob on April 09, 2013, 03:59:31 pm
Long ago, in land known as Florida, I worked for a limerock quarry. The superintendant had come from the coal fields in Kentucky, so when a new dragline was needed, he talked the owners into a '57 Page Walking dragline. They brought it down and it was rebuilt--over about 3 months time. The thing I remeber most was the shop foreman driving his Ranger into the bucket of that machine.
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: Raptor on April 09, 2013, 04:57:52 pm
http://www.roughandtumble.org/ (http://www.roughandtumble.org/)

We're Pennsylvanians. We don't need no stinkin' tracks for our steam.

You know, I think I drive by that place pretty much every time I head out to Strasburg (and I've gone out there quite a bit) and I've never once visited. I need to rectify that perpetual error.
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: coelacanth on April 09, 2013, 08:40:15 pm
Long ago, in land known as Florida, I worked for a limerock quarry. The superintendant had come from the coal fields in Kentucky, so when a new dragline was needed, he talked the owners into a '57 Page Walking dragline. They brought it down and it was rebuilt--over about 3 months time. The thing I remeber most was the shop foreman driving his Ranger into the bucket of that machine.
I bet he worked down in Muhlenburg Co., Kentucky at the Peabody Coal Co. .  They ran some of those down there and moved enough material to constitute a small country.
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: mnw42 on April 16, 2013, 11:10:02 pm
That is neat video.  I haven't had ridden the Strasbourg RR yet, but I have taken a couple on the local New Hope & Ivyland RR.  Being pulled by an old steam loco taps into my inner child.

Quote
And you lucky bastards have Steamtown too
   :neener

PA was a hub for much of this county's rail.  We had the PRR, the reading RR and ties to the NYC, B&O and pretty much every other road.  We also had two major builders: Baldwin Works and Altoona Works.
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: Raptor on April 16, 2013, 11:39:25 pm
NH&I is about an hour from me, right up 202, but I'm kind of ashamed to admit that I haven't ridden it since I was a kid. Worst part is that I've got family that lives not too far from New Hope, and every time we go out there to visit them I think to myself "I really need to ride the NH&I one of these days."

This one right here, she's on my bucket list:

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5200/5863321157_81b8eb37b6_z.jpg)

Southern Pacific #4449, aka The Daylight, aka The Most Beautiful Train in the World. The only surviving GS-4 class steam locomotive. She's been my favorite steam locomotive since I was a kid, to the point that one day I will go to Seattle just so I can see her in person.
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: coelacanth on April 17, 2013, 04:43:15 am
Sweet.   That's sexier than a Ferrari.    :cool
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: JackCrow on April 17, 2013, 11:17:41 am
Absolutely! The old streamliner trains were some of the sexiest machines ever built.
When I was a kid my mom and I traveled quite a bit by train between Ga. and Fla. to visit family.
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: aikorob on April 17, 2013, 09:57:25 pm
This one right here, she's on my bucket list:

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5200/5863321157_81b8eb37b6_z.jpg)

Southern Pacific #4449, aka The Daylight, aka The Most Beautiful Train in the World. The only surviving GS-4 class steam locomotive. She's been my favorite steam locomotive since I was a kid, to the point that one day I will go to Seattle just so I can see her in person.

Sweet.   That's sexier than a Ferrari.    :cool

indeed... I think I need a few moments of privacy...then maybe a cigarette
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: Raptor on April 18, 2013, 12:17:34 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1hnG0qYdVY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1hnG0qYdVY#ws)

You're welcome.  ;)

And did I say she was in Seattle earlier?  :facepalm Yep, I'm a moron: she's housed in Portland, Oregon.
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: sohmdaddy on April 28, 2013, 04:05:13 am
Those things are so cool. Looking at one up close, you realize just how freaking complicated the mechanism is, how ridiculously heavy it must be. Apparently those things can run if maintained properly. Amazing.
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: coelacanth on April 28, 2013, 03:33:59 pm
They are indeed a mechanical symphony.  A fitting tribute to an earlier, and some might argue, more civilized age.   
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: goatroper on May 23, 2013, 10:47:01 am
Had to add this:

http://www.snotr.com/video/11121 (http://www.snotr.com/video/11121)
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: coelacanth on May 23, 2013, 12:45:04 pm
Now that right there was cool, I don't care who ya' are.    :clap    No idea how much horsepower just cruised by in that video but it was a LOT.    :cool
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: aikorob on July 25, 2013, 07:20:39 am
http://www.uprr.com/newsinfo/releases/heritage_and_steam/2013/0723_4014.shtml (http://www.uprr.com/newsinfo/releases/heritage_and_steam/2013/0723_4014.shtml)   :clap :clap
coming back from the dead...........like this thread
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: scarville on July 25, 2013, 08:47:15 am
We're Pennsylvanians. We don't need no stinkin' tracks for our steam.

The Besler steam powered airplane.  Back when California built stuff.

http://www.rexresearch.com/besler/beslerst.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/besler/beslerst.htm)

Video:

http://www.flixxy.com/besler-steam-airplane.htm (http://www.flixxy.com/besler-steam-airplane.htm)
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: Raptor on July 25, 2013, 09:21:49 am
http://www.uprr.com/newsinfo/releases/heritage_and_steam/2013/0723_4014.shtml (http://www.uprr.com/newsinfo/releases/heritage_and_steam/2013/0723_4014.shtml)   :clap :clap
coming back from the dead...........like this thread

AWESOME!!!  :thumbup1 :clap :woohoo
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: Canthros on July 25, 2013, 09:32:35 am
http://www.uprr.com/newsinfo/releases/heritage_and_steam/2013/0723_4014.shtml (http://www.uprr.com/newsinfo/releases/heritage_and_steam/2013/0723_4014.shtml)   :clap :clap
coming back from the dead...........like this thread
Passed that along to my father the railfan. Thanks for posting it!
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: RevDisk on July 26, 2013, 09:42:46 am

I'll likely be visiting Steamtown with my lady friend over the weekend. Will take plenty of photos. 


Oh, and

 :neener
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: coelacanth on July 27, 2013, 04:01:50 am
Still one of my favorite threads here.   :thumbup1
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: RevDisk on August 09, 2013, 05:05:16 pm

(http://revdisk.org/gallery/var/resizes/Travels/Steamtown/IMAG0967.jpg?m=1375206090)

(http://revdisk.org/gallery/var/resizes/Travels/Steamtown/IMAG0969.jpg?m=1375206090)

(http://revdisk.org/gallery/var/resizes/Travels/Steamtown/IMAG0973.jpg?m=1375206098)

(http://revdisk.org/gallery/var/resizes/Travels/Steamtown/IMAG1018.jpg?m=1375206141)

(http://revdisk.org/gallery/var/resizes/Travels/Steamtown/IMAG1028.jpg?m=1375206154)

(http://revdisk.org/gallery/var/resizes/Travels/Steamtown/IMAG1087.jpg?m=1375206231)

(http://revdisk.org/gallery/var/resizes/Travels/Steamtown/IMAG1097.jpg?m=1375206246)

(http://revdisk.org/gallery/var/albums/Travels/Steamtown/IMAG1100.jpg?m=1375206244)


Complete album: http://revdisk.org/gallery/index.php/Travels/Steamtown (http://revdisk.org/gallery/index.php/Travels/Steamtown)

Another interesting fact is Steamtown is in Luzerne County, home of the first and second Pennamite-Yankee Wars. Apologies for delay, ladyfriend and I went to Las Vegas. Now we're sorting out whether to invade Connecticut on the way to the Higgins Armory Museum, or spend the night in an abandoned allegedly haunted insane asylum or go see the Tesla Monument at Niagara Falls.
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: MTK20 on August 09, 2013, 05:33:30 pm
I got to travel on the BNSF employee train almost 20 years ago.  They move it around the country and take little excursions for all the employees and their families..   It was pretty cool.  We spent part of the trip in the observation car,  and then we went to one of the private passenger coaches.  I'm guessing it dated from the 1940's or 1950's.    I just wish it was feasible to travel by train from here.  Unfortunately there is only one Amtrak route here, and I would have to board in the middle of the night and then backtrack all the way to Chicago to go anywhere other than Southern California (blech!).   

It's a shame that passenger rail travel had died off here in the United States.  I would much rather do that than fly.  It's slower, but much more relaxing.

You know we have come a long way from "trip by rail" when I have never even considered it as an option before.....I think I just had my mind blown  :o. I have heard horror stories from traveling by plane, but there certainly is an attractiveness to "trip by rail". I imagine it would be a more relaxing and positive experience  :hmm.
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: Lupinus on August 09, 2013, 05:46:05 pm
You know we have come a long way from "trip by rail" when I have never even considered it as an option before.....I think I just had my mind blown  :o. I have heard horror stories from traveling by plane, but there certainly is an attractiveness to "trip by rail". I imagine it would be a more relaxing and positive experience  :hmm.
Look up traveling Amtrak sometime. It's an...amusing experience.

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Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: aikorob on August 10, 2013, 12:01:19 am
a long train journey is MUCh more relaxing -- especially if your lady friend is with you.  ;)

Seriously---one of the reasons the Europeans and Japanese have such a good rail network that they use and appreciate is because of WWII---you never realize how important something is until you lose it
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: ksuguy on August 10, 2013, 12:10:15 am
I've only done train trips a few times.  The BNSF employee trip I previously mentioned,  the Durango & Silverton tourist route out in Colorado when I was a kid,  and a train trip between Melbourne and Sydney Australia when I was in college.

Melbourne to Sydney was nice.  Took a few hours longer than it would have taken to drive,   but it was nice getting to see the countryside.    Reminded me a lot of Western Kansas.   Did lots of reading too.     
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: Lupinus on August 10, 2013, 05:52:18 pm
Rail is nice when you have a dense enough population for it. In the Northeast, for example, it's awesome.

But when you get into the less populated areas its hard to support the rail infrastructure to anything but major points. And connecting those points sometimes gets a might challenging, odd, and darned expensive. 
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: RevDisk on August 12, 2013, 03:15:02 pm
Rail is nice when you have a dense enough population for it. In the Northeast, for example, it's awesome.

But when you get into the less populated areas its hard to support the rail infrastructure to anything but major points. And connecting those points sometimes gets a might challenging, odd, and darned expensive. 

*blink*

For passenger service, sure. For everything else, rail. Basically, unless it's super time critical, it gets shipped from one end of the country to the other by rail. All of the coal plants in the boonies are serviced by coal from trains. Majority of foodstuffs get moved by rail. You don't move thousands of tons of corn around by truck.
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: Coronach on August 12, 2013, 04:10:38 pm
I wish we had good passenger rail in the US. Instead, we have Amtrak.

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Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: aikorob on August 12, 2013, 05:51:24 pm
I wish we had good passenger rail in the US. Instead, we have Amtrak.

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Blame the horseless carriage

Reminded of a story from back in the late 50's or early 60's:
Railroads wanted to cease local passenger service service to Atlanta, mayors, civic leaders, and business groups went to the capital to get an injunction.
After listening to many speeches about the "death of our way of life", "only passenger trains could serve the people best", etc, etc-----the judge asked "how did you come to this meeting?"
to a man---they drove
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: Mississippi556 on August 12, 2013, 05:59:31 pm
My last train ride was quite a few years ago.  My wife, then young daughter, and I took an AMTRAC from our home town area to Atlanta with return tickets.  My daughter had never ridden the rails.   The passenger cars were filled with neglectful parents and unruly and wild children running through the cars totally out of control.  No one did anything to stop them or make them behave.

Any semblance of elegant rail travel or romance was totally lost.  Just like riding in a subway or Greyhound bus.  Or a rolling WalMart with nothing to buy except bad food.  Very disappointing.

My wife refused to ride the train home.  We fought about it.  She won.  We flew back.
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: Lupinus on August 12, 2013, 07:54:21 pm
*blink*

For passenger service, sure. For everything else, rail. Basically, unless it's super time critical, it gets shipped from one end of the country to the other by rail. All of the coal plants in the boonies are serviced by coal from trains. Majority of foodstuffs get moved by rail. You don't move thousands of tons of corn around by truck.
For freight sure. But I was addressing it in the passenger context.
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: aikorob on January 28, 2014, 11:27:03 am
More USA mechanical awesomeness

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RJfnk2S330# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RJfnk2S330#)
longer version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JErREoMOdDc#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JErREoMOdDc#ws)
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: coelacanth on January 29, 2014, 11:18:40 pm
Nice.   :cool
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: aikorob on January 30, 2014, 07:51:23 pm
FYI Raptor  (and others)

UP has taken the first step toward restoration


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlaAD8xUhYs#noexternalembed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlaAD8xUhYs#noexternalembed)
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: Raptor on January 30, 2014, 10:30:35 pm
I had heard this. VERY excited!
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: aikorob on April 16, 2014, 10:12:04 am
another bump:
http://www.up.com/aboutup/special_trains/steam/trace.cfm (http://www.up.com/aboutup/special_trains/steam/trace.cfm)
http://www.up.com/aboutup/special_trains/steam/details.shtml (http://www.up.com/aboutup/special_trains/steam/details.shtml)

maybe some of you western guys can catch this on its way to Cheyenne
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: aikorob on April 28, 2014, 12:55:27 pm
and something for those on the east coast:
http://fireup611.org/?page_id=20 (http://fireup611.org/?page_id=20)
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: aikorob on January 26, 2015, 08:55:37 pm
Arise, Necro thread

Okay--its North American
a little something for our Canadian brethren......eh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=84503534&feature=player_embedded&v=NcbTXlMSCwk&x-yt-ts=1421914688 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=84503534&feature=player_embedded&v=NcbTXlMSCwk&x-yt-ts=1421914688)
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: coelacanth on January 26, 2015, 10:46:18 pm
 :thumbup1
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: THE NORSEMAN on January 27, 2015, 02:08:54 am
My father and I spent the day with that Big Boy in Salt Lake City at the train museum at the Ogden Station.  That is one BBIIGG  HHOOSS piece of equipment. 

The Browning Firearm museum being right there was an added bonus as well.
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: aikorob on January 27, 2015, 07:02:20 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epclkzKJvfc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epclkzKJvfc)
Washington Navy Yard
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: aikorob on June 17, 2015, 06:41:23 pm
and something for those on the east coast:
http://fireup611.org/?page_id=20 (http://fireup611.org/?page_id=20)

now pulling excursions through VA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Tb0hwoJUW0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Tb0hwoJUW0)
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: coelacanth on June 17, 2015, 09:40:33 pm
Awesome.   :cool    If I might tie in to another active thread - I don't know what a dinosaur hunt would actually look like but traveling through the hunting grounds on that behemoth and retiring to the club car for an adult beverage at the end of the day might lend an air of civilization to the whole affair.  Having a flat bed car behind the tender with turret mounted, heavy weapons should suffice to keep the train running on time.   ;)
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: Raptor on June 17, 2015, 11:19:33 pm
Awesome indeed.

When I was a kid, I had an old VHS tape of a NatGeo program on railroads and railfans from around the world. 611 featured prominently in the introductory segment. I wanted more than anything to ride behind her, and was pretty devastated when I found out she'd been retired and would never run again.

My inner seven year old is now jumping for joy. I think I've just added another item to my bucket list.
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: aikorob on June 18, 2015, 04:39:35 am
Awesome.   :cool    If I might tie in to another active thread - I don't know what a dinosaur hunt would actually look like but traveling through the hunting grounds on that behemoth and retiring to the club car for an adult beverage and a large filet of the beast killed that dayat the end of the day might lend an air of civilization to the whole affair.  Having a flat bed car behind the tender with turret mounted, heavy weapons should suffice to keep the train running on time.   ;)

 :thumbup1 that would be epic
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: JackCrow on June 18, 2015, 03:47:27 pm
Fantastic!
I love trains, especially the old streamliners.
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: Raptor on April 28, 2019, 07:17:37 pm
Ack! Zombie thread! Zombie thread! Quick, someone shoot it in the face!  ;)

Figured this was appropriate, especially since earlier in the thread there was talk about Union Pacific re-acquiring one of the old 4-8-8-4 Big Boy steam locomotives with the intent to restore it. Well, it took a few years, but...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWpODg11xkI

...4014 is alive! There's fire in her firebox, pressure in her boiler, and her whistle is a'blowin' (watch until the end). I think everyone who was in or near Cheyenne, WY yesterday knows that Big Boy lives again.
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: coelacanth on April 28, 2019, 07:56:13 pm
Sweet.  :cool
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: Plebian on April 28, 2019, 08:14:01 pm
I assume there has been work on a nuclear reactor to power train engines at some point? Surely I am not the only fellow to immediately think such a thing.
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: coelacanth on April 28, 2019, 08:15:43 pm
As long as you're boiling water for the turbines you might as well shunt a little to the whistle - no?   :thumbup1    Maybe a little brazier of anthracite coal burning too - just for ambience.   :cool
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: LowKey on April 28, 2019, 08:25:38 pm
They are indeed a mechanical symphony.  A fitting tribute to an earlier, and some might argue, more civilized age.
In some ways they do resemble light sabers, don't they? :cool
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: Raptor on April 28, 2019, 09:10:19 pm
I assume there has been work on a nuclear reactor to power train engines at some point? Surely I am not the only fellow to immediately think such a thing.

I believe that there was some experimentation with the idea back in the 50s. Heck, they put a reactor in a B-36 Peacemaker back in the day, so why not a locomotive?

US Railroads did try turbine-powered locomotives, primarily gas-electric but there was at least one coal-burning in the late 50s through the early 70s, mainly with the Union Pacific (who, somewhat ironically given what revitalized this thread, intended to use them to replace the Big Boys). The later gas-electric models were somewhat successful, but the idea never really panned out for a variety of reasons, primarily that turbines are inefficient at high rotational speed (meaning they're best suiting for long-distance high-speed work, and struggled to get the trains up to speed) and the bunker oil used as fuel caused the turbine blades to corrode over time. The corrosion problem was even worse in the coal-fired prototype, and soot and coal particles damaged the blades.
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: coelacanth on April 28, 2019, 09:25:52 pm
Yup.  Coal fired turbines seem to have been an anachronism with the exception of a few small scale projects.  My computer seems to be running fine but the coal is actually a micronized wood charcoal rather than actual bituminous or anthracite coal.   
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: aikorob on May 01, 2019, 05:57:35 am
this coming week is the celebration of 150th anniversary of the Transcontinental Railroad
https://www.up.com/heritage/steam/schedule/index.htm (https://www.up.com/heritage/steam/schedule/index.htm)
anybody between Cheyenne, WY & Ogdon, UT should get a glimpse of 4014
take your kids and grandkids
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: coelacanth on May 01, 2019, 03:35:20 pm
 :thumbup1
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: Mikee5star on May 01, 2019, 10:48:46 pm
this coming week is the celebration of 150th anniversary of the Transcontinental Railroad
https://www.up.com/heritage/steam/schedule/index.htm (https://www.up.com/heritage/steam/schedule/index.htm)
anybody between Cheyenne, WY & Ogdon, UT should get a glimpse of 4014
take your kids and grandkids

If you are with in a few hundred miles and could make it to one of the events/stops it would be grand.

That said I love steam.  I WILL build myself a steam powered car someday.  Most likely when I get the shop built, and retire, or get some free time.  So this project is scheduled for start 5-1-2039.
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: Raptor on May 04, 2019, 05:26:22 pm
He's moving!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvKfu_EGZIk
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: Plebian on May 04, 2019, 06:33:08 pm
Why is a coal-fired steam engine cooler than other means of transportation?

It is somehow more engaging in some odd way. Is it more visceral with open fire and steam? Maybe it ignites a more primal center of a human?

There is something about steel, fire, and steam that is intriguing in a way I cannot explain. 
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: Raptor on May 04, 2019, 10:15:26 pm
Why is a coal-fired steam engine cooler than other means of transportation?

It is somehow more engaging in some odd way. Is it more visceral with open fire and steam? Maybe it ignites a more primal center of a human?

There is something about steel, fire, and steam that is intriguing in a way I cannot explain. 

I believe it was Doyle McCormack (chief engineer and preservationist of Southern Pacific 4449; it was a line in a documentary I have on the locomotive, but it was spoken in voiceover and uncredited) who said that the steam locomotive is as close to man has ever come to creating life. They breathe, they have a heartbeat, when you fire them up and start building pressure in the boiler, you can feel them turn from a cold piece of iron and steel to a living, breathing creature.

I don't know what it is exactly, but I do agree with you. There's something about steam locomotives that's just, for lack of a better word, addictive. Whenever I visit the Strasburg Rail Road, I half-jokingly say that I'm going to "get my fix." Something about that smell of coal smoke, valve oil, and steam... it just does something to me. Makes me feel alive.
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: aikorob on May 21, 2019, 04:54:34 pm
whilst meandering through the interwebs, I came across these photos
first is changing wheels on a locomotive
the second is from the Allis-Chalmers factory, and shows part of the turbine piping for one of the Niagra Falls power plants
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: coelacanth on May 22, 2019, 02:29:08 am
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Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: aikorob on June 23, 2019, 05:55:28 am
Bethlehem Steel artillery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIMpRwAUI1I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIMpRwAUI1I)
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: coelacanth on June 23, 2019, 04:56:49 pm
Awesome.   OSHA would excrete a cream filled desert cake if they saw something like that today.   :coffee
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: aikorob on September 29, 2019, 11:01:55 am
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMgTlht-PsNniRIuaax4m8Q (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMgTlht-PsNniRIuaax4m8Q)

you will lose several hours watching

looking at stuff like this, it is simply amazing how many specialized trades there used to be to provide life's necessities............
gunsmith, cooper, wheelwright, blacksmith, wagonwright, farrier, saddler, weaver..................
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: Raptor on September 29, 2019, 07:20:17 pm
Ladies and Gentlemen, presenting Her Majesty, the Queen of Steam, Norfolk & Western 611!

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Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: coelacanth on September 29, 2019, 09:16:53 pm
She's a beauty.   :thumbup1
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: Raptor on September 29, 2019, 09:26:24 pm
She's a beauty.   :thumbup1

That she is! Pictures (especially from my kinda-crappy cell phone camera) really do not do her justice.

And just to give you an idea of how big she is, her driving wheels are 5'10" in diameter, same as the height of an average man.
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: aikorob on April 18, 2020, 09:58:24 am
Springfield Armory from the 50's ; and a little bit of the CMP organization

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVljNGittno (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVljNGittno)
Title: Re: Back when America BUILT stuff
Post by: coelacanth on April 19, 2020, 02:00:07 pm
Good one.  Thanks for posting it.   :thumbup1    We've come a long way since that was filmed but whether we went the right direction seems open to debate.   :coffee