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Re: A little theorizing...*WARNING-Think long, Post carefully*
« Reply #50 on: November 12, 2008, 06:51:41 pm »
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I think there has to be compromise.  If there isn't because one or both sides "know" they're right, then we get a stand off and that solves nothing.  Like it or not, there are many many Americans that feel that liberal ideas are right.  If we refuse to negotiate, then we deny an entire half of the population.  The same goes for them.
I was more talking in respect to the government. The populace is what we have to win over. Killing people, even people who deserve it, won't accomplish that.
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    « Reply #51 on: November 12, 2008, 06:56:24 pm »
    I think there has to be compromise.

    What, like how Obama compromised on FISA? 

    Like how Europe compromised with Hitler on Poland?

    How the Constitutional convention compromised on slavery?

    Peaceable solutions are not the same as compromises.  I'm sick of that C-word breeding bloodshed while under the guise of reasonable discourse.  Don't compromise: Convince.
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    « Reply #52 on: November 12, 2008, 07:05:24 pm »
    +1, Ishpeck.
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    « Reply #53 on: November 12, 2008, 07:43:54 pm »
    Whoa.   Slow the roll here.  reconciliation withe the enemy?

    We are talking political opinion differences here.   Not enemies.   Brothers on the other side of the same coin.   
    most of the time we can agree with them on most subjects but disagree on a couple key issues... this does not make my fellow American my enemy.
    Rival, maybe.  But not Enemy.   Enemy is a very powerful term that should not be used so lightly.
    Now if you are talking an extreme example such as a hard core liberal who is pushing communism ... well... then maybe...  But let's be more careful with the use of some of these words.  Comrade Obama has said "Words have meaning".   

    Freedom certainly is at risk here at home if our elected leaders and appointed judges believe that our fundamental rights are merely "political rights". If that is true, then politicians-- and the judges they appoint-- can abridge, alter or eliminate them.

    They are just as cunning, treacherous, and dangerous, if not more so, than any enemy unit on a foreign battlefield.

    I think this is deadly serious. This isn't just for a fun, interesting, and educational hobby or recreational activity.

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    « Reply #54 on: November 12, 2008, 07:58:42 pm »
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    Freedom certainly is at risk here at home if our elected leaders and appointed judges believe that our fundamental rights are merely "political rights". If that is true, then politicians-- and the judges they appoint-- can abridge, alter or eliminate them.

    They are just as cunning, treacherous, and dangerous, if not more so, than any enemy unit on a foreign battlefield.

    I think this is deadly serious. This isn't just for a fun, interesting, and educational hobby or recreational activity.
    Both George and you are right, because you're both talking about different people. Is Ted Kennedy our enemy? Yes. Is my liberal friend Kristina? No.
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    « Reply #55 on: November 12, 2008, 11:23:53 pm »
    Few, if any of us, have faced the fact that getting our rights back could entail the absolute extermination of evil men who infringed on those rights motivated by nothing more than their personal greed for wealth and power.

    Well, some people may have considered it quite a bit, they just don't go talking about it on a public forum.

    Like the great sage Swayze once said, "Be nice until it's time to not be nice."  When is that time?  Good question.

    Yeah, the election of what is possibly a hardcore socialist (nobody really knows except for Barry) is depressing.  And watching that smug, botoxed ferret Pelosi is galling.  But, I believe in selling them all the rope they want to buy (or nationalize).  But we were here back in 1993.

    I can remember debating this exact same issue on the old Prodigy boards and being called a "Tory" because I felt that armed violence was unnecessary because the Dems would shoot themselves in the <foot>.  I was right.  Of course, then the Repubs started practicing Mexican carry just a few years later.

    I really believe that the Dems will be forming a circular firing squad over the next two years.  Absolute power mixed with extreme hubris are a bad combination.  The ACLU and Moveon.org are already exerting strong pressure on Barry to live up to some of his stupider campaign promises.  They will not take no for an answer.  Sit back and watch the fun as liberals eat their young.
    Get these bodies together...five or six of 'em, all laid out on the front of our ship. Put Book front and center, he's our friend and we should honor him. Kaylee, find that kid who's taking a dirt nap with baby Jesus, we need a hood ornament.

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    « Reply #56 on: November 12, 2008, 11:36:53 pm »
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    Few, if any of us, have faced the fact that getting our rights back could entail the absolute extermination of evil men who infringed on those rights motivated by nothing more than their personal greed for wealth and power.
    I have faced it. In fact, that's exactly what I am planning on*. What you're not planning on is that these people are, and will continue to be, really freaking good at manipulating people. We need to take that rug out from under them.

    *To be clear, I do NOT, I repeat, DO NOT plan on assassinating ANYONE. What I mean there is that I am preparing and planning for a back-to-the wall confrontation with the powers that be. In such a situation, the continuation of the lives of all parties involved would depend on whether they threaten me and my family directly. To be more clear, they would have to make the first move, and it would have to be a direct one to me and mine for me to resort to violence. However, I intend to confront those who I believe are the perpetrators of the decline of liberty and prosperity and the growth of tyranny in this country. The actions that I am taking and will take can be embraced by any patriot of this country as the duty of a citizen and the common sense of someone with preparedness in mind. These confrontations range from letters to my Congressman to active campaigning for a candidate, to talking with friends, to whatever they need to range to (and nothing more).

    Thanks to Brian Dale for pointing out my unclear post.
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    « Reply #57 on: November 13, 2008, 05:16:10 pm »
    Like the great sage Swayze once said, "Be nice until it's time to not be nice."  When is that time?  Good question.


    Face it -- if given a chance to stand up for our rights, even at the cost of our life, most of us Internet warriors will choose to play it safe and say that we are opposed to the use of force or maintain to the end that "things today just aren't that bad."

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    « Reply #58 on: November 13, 2008, 05:41:03 pm »
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    Face it -- if given a chance to stand up for our rights, even at the cost of our life, most of us Internet warriors will choose to play it safe and say that we are opposed to the use of force or maintain to the end that "things today just aren't that bad."
    A.) Pessimism doesn't help our cause.
    B.) Some on the Internet would find this insulting. Many of us have given a lot for the cause.
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    « Reply #59 on: November 13, 2008, 05:48:59 pm »
    I find it slightly insulting because I've already fought for this country.  We are not all internet commandos or whatever the term is.
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    « Reply #60 on: November 13, 2008, 06:02:01 pm »
    That wasn't directed to anyone in particular, but to folks in general.

    Does anyone know what i'm talking about?

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    « Reply #61 on: November 13, 2008, 06:03:18 pm »
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    That wasn't directed to anyone in particular, but to folks in general.

    Does anyone know what i'm talking about?
    I think so, but as I said, pessimism doesn't help us.
    People will sit and do nothing. Know how to solve that? Get out there and be an example!
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    « Reply #62 on: November 13, 2008, 06:09:45 pm »
    I tend not to be a pessimist, but a realist. I see what might be, what's likely to be. I rarely see the worst possible outcome, and always hope that the best will come in the end. But, I don't really believe that the best is necessarily going to happen, you know?


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    « Reply #63 on: November 13, 2008, 06:15:46 pm »
    That wasn't directed to anyone in particular, but to folks in general.

    Does anyone know what i'm talking about?

    Just that your only solution is the hammer you have, so everything else looks like a nail, and while amusing, using a hammer to apply a wingnut only results in scratches which get hidden in the undercarriage.

    Do you know what I'm talking about?
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    « Reply #64 on: November 13, 2008, 07:06:50 pm »
    When we need to pound a nail, a hammer beats a Swiss army knife every time.

    The means, ladies and gentlemen, for a people to battle its way through in the struggle for existence without strong armaments have not yet been found.

    In the coming years and decades our people will be a hammer or an anvil.

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    « Reply #65 on: November 13, 2008, 07:14:37 pm »
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    When we need to pound a nail, a hammer beats a Swiss army knife every time.

    The means, ladies and gentlemen, for a people to battle its way through in the struggle for existence without strong armaments have not yet been found.

    In the coming years and decades our people will be a hammer or an anvil.
    Don't preach. We all know the situation.
    And, besides, there have been peaceful revolutions. Don't be so quick to condemn your friends and loved ones to the horrors of war.
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    « Reply #66 on: November 13, 2008, 07:22:07 pm »
    When we need to pound a nail, a hammer beats a Swiss army knife every time.

    The means, ladies and gentlemen, for a people to battle its way through in the struggle for existence without strong armaments have not yet been found.

    In the coming years and decades our people will be a hammer or an anvil.


    And the point is not gotten.

    You're salivating at the chance to use the cartridge box when the ballot, the soap and the jury box are still in effect. 

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    « Reply #67 on: November 13, 2008, 08:49:24 pm »
    Wow...just wow.  We are not near the time we need to discuss some kind of armed struggle.  America is still the best country on Earth and still the most free.  With this freedom we can assure that it remains so.  Obama isn't good, but isn't the anti-Christ.  We can fix whatever mistakes he might make. We fix it by using the system and repairing the system from within.  To talk of violence now is like using a chainsaw instead of a scalpel.
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    « Reply #68 on: November 13, 2008, 10:48:22 pm »
    IMO, it's more like using a chainsaw instead of a band-aid...
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    « Reply #69 on: November 13, 2008, 10:51:02 pm »
    There comes a time when a thread runs past the end of it's usefulness... I think this thread has long since past that point.
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