Author Topic: 9/7/11 Debate (Read 5367 times)

Feud · « **on:** September 07, 2011, 08:47:13 pm »

Watching the debate, a few thoughts:

Rick Perry doesn't have a solid answer for anything he's being asked, so he's throwing mud and swaggering in hopes that people don't notice what a clueless douche he's being.

Romney is actually holding his own pretty well. I didn't like him in the last election, nor in the last debate, but he's doing pretty well so far despite having Huntsman and Perry tag team him.

Huntsman is doing alright, but isn't really doing much to pull away from the pack.

Meanwhile, Ron Paul is being thrown the tasty bits with questions like "do you want to repeal the minimum wage", knowing he'll bite and say something crazy.

Edit:

Rick Perry is getting hammered on his executive order to give inoculations to girls, and after throwing mud all night is now complaining he's being picked on. That being said, he stood up and took responsibility for it, rather than changing the subject. That wins points for me.

Edit2: I wonder if Ron Paul ever read the book "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair.

Edit3: Someone needs to tell Bachmann that Cuban living in Miami ex-pats aren't really representative of the Latin American community as a whole.

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Harm · « **Reply #1 on:** September 07, 2011, 09:22:58 pm »

I only got to watch the first little bit because I'm in class tonight but the first several minutes were hilarious with that back and forth between Perry and Romney. Perry seemed like a total jackass.

Glad to hear he stepped up on the innoculations bit.

JesseL · « **Reply #2 on:** September 07, 2011, 09:31:08 pm »

Quote from: Feud on September 07, 2011, 08:47:13 pm

Meanwhile, Ron Paul is being thrown the tasty bits with questions like "do you want to repeal the minimum wage", knowing he'll bite and say something crazy.

I'm not quite sure what the problem with repealing the federal minimum wage is supposed to be. All but five states have their own minimum wage laws and a lot of them are higher than the federal minimum.

Repealing it might be crazy from a political psychology standpoint, but in practical terms it's almost meaningless.

Kaso · « **Reply #3 on:** September 07, 2011, 09:35:03 pm »

You know, I am actually kind of glad that Obama has been falling over himself, being incompetent, otherwise, the GOP would not have a hope in hell!!!

Kaso

Feud · « **Reply #4 on:** September 07, 2011, 11:51:21 pm »

Quote from: JesseL on September 07, 2011, 09:31:08 pm

I'm not quite sure what the problem with repealing the federal minimum wage is supposed to be. All but five states have their own minimum wage laws and a lot of them are higher than the federal minimum.

Repealing it might be crazy from a political psychology standpoint, but in practical terms it's almost meaningless.

But they know that with a little primer that soon the pump will be flowing, so they ask him a question they know will get him going off and then watch him go to town.

ksuguy · « **Reply #5 on:** September 08, 2011, 12:15:54 am »

Didn't watch it. My girlfriend has the flu and I was making chicken soup. I think I'm coming down with it too.

As of right now, there isn't much to be excited about in the GOP primary. I like Ron Paul and did a lot to support him back in 2008. I don't agree with him 100% on some things, but he's probably closer to my positions than anyone else in the race. However, I'm not sure if he should be running again at his age, and I freely admit that he is not a great public speaker. I do think his son Rand is a much better communicator, and he'd be a great candidate if he only had a couple more years in the senate under his belt. Maybe he can take a shot in 2016.
It's also pretty frustrating to watch the way the media continually screws Ron over. Seems like every time I see a poll result announced they leave his name off entirely, despite showing the results for other candidates that are lower than he is. Even if you don't like the guy, that's some bulls___.

Bachman seems like she's completely crazy and somewhat of a religious zealot.

Perry seems like a typical sleazy sociopath politician. Ditto for Romney, only he's got the added bonus of pushing for and signing gun bans and socialized health care as governor of Massachusetts. Gingrich is another guy that just seems like an absolutely despicable human being.

Cain seems good, but he has made a few statements that give me pause. I don't see him gaining a lot more ground, but maybe he'd be a good choice for VP or a cabinet post.

Gary Johnson seemed like he had some promise, but he never really got off the ground and the media pretty much sealed his fate by not letting him into the earlier debates.

As for the others, they don't really stand out at all.

LongShot · « **Reply #6 on:** September 08, 2011, 01:29:04 am »

I like Cain. He's not the smoothest talker, but then he's not a career politician either. He doesn't get a lot of media time, but he does have a lot more supporters than the MSM gives him credit for. Out of all the GOP noms, he's the one who will get my vote, if he's still on the ticket for the primary.

If he's not, then I have no idea who I'll support. It won't be Perry or Romney, I do know that. I'm 'ish' on Bachmann, I don't think 'Newt' will go the distance, and I'm still looking at Huntsman. Paul scares me a little.

sarge712 · « **Reply #7 on:** September 08, 2011, 07:52:09 am »

The debate changed my mind on Perry. I'm going for Cain. I hope he gets vice president at least.

Evil Jim · « **Reply #8 on:** September 08, 2011, 08:18:35 am »

I honestly cant see Cain getting the nod for prez, as much as I would love it.
I have been behind Cain since he announced his candidacy.
I would love to see Cain or Allen West in a VP position.

Jim

Wolffstarr · « **Reply #9 on:** September 08, 2011, 08:57:46 am »

Hell with that, I'd love to see Allan West in a P position. And I'd laugh my ass off at the first person to say he doesn't have executive experience too.

luke213(adamsholsters) · « **Reply #10 on:** September 08, 2011, 09:23:50 am »

Didnt get a chance to watch the debat myself was in the shop late. However i still would love to see Cain get the nomination i dont see it happening. So I guess at this point for me it's Paul.

Luke

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booksmart · « **Reply #11 on:** September 08, 2011, 10:50:24 am »

As an FYI :

http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-perry-romney-twist-records-debate-021556685.html

StevenTing · « **Reply #12 on:** September 08, 2011, 01:00:07 pm »

I heard Cain talk on the radio the other day. Seems decent. Can't stand Huntsman, even though he was the UT Governor. It's all up in the air for me right now but I'm leaning more Cain and a little bit on Ron Paul.

JackCrow · « **Reply #13 on:** September 08, 2011, 02:05:29 pm »

I didn't watch it. But here is Jerry Pournelles view;
http://jerrypournelle.com/chaosmanor/?p=1848

I find that I am more in agreement than disagreement with his view of politics and would countence his assesment moreso than those of the mainstream media. But I usually do not start paying much attention to such things until the field of candidates shakes out.

My general opinion of the GOP hasn't changed much over the years and the current crop of candidates does not threaten my position that it is incurably incapable of producing a true Statesman. One who can capture the heart amd minds of the right-leaning population or inspire them with concise articulation of ideals backed with bold, reasonable plans and confident and commited leadership.

To dispair is a sin.

Doug Wojtowicz · « **Reply #14 on:** September 08, 2011, 07:31:56 pm »

Quote from: JackCrow on September 08, 2011, 02:05:29 pm

To dispair is a sin.

Sadly, I am an unrepentant sinner.

sohmdaddy · « **Reply #15 on:** September 09, 2011, 05:00:38 pm »

"Ditto for Romney, only he's got the added bonus of pushing for and signing gun bans "

Really, can you provide a link?

Wolffstarr · « **Reply #16 on:** September 10, 2011, 02:59:37 pm »

High-level overview:

http://2012.republican-candidates.org/Romney/Gun-Control.php

More detailed:

http://www.ontheissues.org/governor/Mitt_Romney_Gun_Control.htm

Basically looks like he was for it, before he was against it.

Must be something in the water in Massachusetts.

Seriously though, on RKBA stances, I trust Ron Paul because he's proven his stance time and time again, and I tend to trust Perry because of the coyote incident.

Doug Wojtowicz · « **Reply #17 on:** September 10, 2011, 04:02:15 pm »

Beginning to trust Perry a little more.

Harm · « **Reply #18 on:** September 10, 2011, 11:13:08 pm »

Quote from: Wolffstarr on September 10, 2011, 02:59:37 pm

High-level overview:

http://2012.republican-candidates.org/Romney/Gun-Control.php

More detailed:

http://www.ontheissues.org/governor/Mitt_Romney_Gun_Control.htm

Basically looks like he was for it, before he was against it.

Must be something in the water in Massachusetts.

just a heads up that Romney is speaking truth when he says the bill was crafted between the gun lobby of Mass & the Lefties. it did clarify and in many ways loosen gun restrictions - see the rules regarding crossing a road w a firearm during hunting season. yes its still an AWB and most gun owni won't see past that - but its also Mass - which like even Cali - the 2nd Amendment crowd is very lukewarm compared to the rest of the US. And its Romneys steadfast acknowledgments that many types of governance cannot effectively happen at the federal level.