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« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2013, 08:57:33 am »
I, for one, would make it a point of flying a pro-2A airline if given a choice.

  I doubt there would be any. The airports would probably have say, at both ends of the trip. Also, the insurance companies probably would not like the idea of armed passengers.
 
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    « Reply #26 on: July 03, 2013, 09:02:38 am »
    The only firearms and TSA booboo I have had was not realizing I had a loaded magazine in my carry on.


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    « Reply #27 on: July 03, 2013, 10:31:33 am »
      I doubt there would be any. The airports would probably have say, at both ends of the trip. Also, the insurance companies probably would not like the idea of armed passengers.
     

    I had considered that possibility as well.  We won't know for sure, though, until the feds with all their anti-2A regs. are out of the way.

    Insurance companies would either adjust premiums (or not) or deny coverage if an airline insisted on allowing passengers to carry weapons.  I'm not an actuary, but I bet that since there has not been general access to firearms by the civilian passengers on an airliner in the States for decades that there is no data from which to calculate the risk and determine the proper rate to charge.

    As for the airports, I can see issues arising from state to state variance in carry laws.  I imagine that the "stricter" state laws would hold sway.  For example, even if Utah law and airline policy were to allow me to board in Salt Lake with my .45 under my shirt, I probably shouldn't if my final destination is NYC, where I can't carry concealed.
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    « Reply #28 on: July 03, 2013, 10:36:41 am »
      Remember, airlines are volume industries. They make very little money on each ticket at most, loose money on many, and end up with a profit, hopefully, through a massive number of sales. Many airliners have to declare bankruptcy at every available opportunity to remove debt loads and union contracts. I don't think they would want to increase their operating costs at all. A specialty 2nd amendment airliner might be possible in some areas, regional flights in Texas for example, but it would be much more expensive.

     
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    « Reply #29 on: July 03, 2013, 10:46:05 am »

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      Remember, airlines are volume industries. They make very little money on each ticket at most, loose money on many, and end up with a profit, hopefully, through a massive number of sales. Many airliners have to declare bankruptcy at every available opportunity to remove debt loads and union contracts. I don't think they would want to increase their operating costs at all. A specialty 2nd amendment airliner might be possible in some areas, regional flights in Texas for example, but it would be much more expensive.

     

    All that may be true.  We won't know for sure how 2A freedom will affect airline bottom lines until the regs are eliminated and the airlines start making their own choices.
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    « Reply #30 on: July 03, 2013, 11:26:30 am »
    "Several times every day, at airports across the country, passengers are trying to walk through security with loaded guns in their carry-on bags, purses or pockets, even in a boot"

    This is the problem with the phrase, "It's so comfortable, I forget that it's there."

    You should never 'forget' that you carry a weapon. It should affect the way that you think, the way you look at people and your surroundings. When you put your gun in its holster, a switch should go off in your brain. Deadly weapons are serious business, and you need to educate yourself about where they can be carried legally. Don't be so naive to think that because you have decided to carry a gun, suddenly the whole world agrees with you and laws lose their efficacy.

    If you don't educate yourself, then you may mindlessly wander into a felony conviction, and then you can never own guns again. Great job, genius.

    We talk a lot about awareness of your surroundings, scanning for potential threats. Well, I think that a situation where you will lose the ability to legally own guns is a pretty big threat to your safety.

    Just. . . act like an adult. Be responsible for yourself.

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    « Reply #31 on: July 03, 2013, 03:10:28 pm »
    Almost everyone who replied about bullets vs airplanes is wrong. First, I can say with 100% certainty that no bullet hole smaller than 1.0 caliber will decompress an airplane. We use the sextant port (approx 1" opening) on the C-130 to vent farts from the flight deck. Doesn't even phase the cabin pressure. The emergency depressurization valve was about a foot in diameter. I did experience that openning in flight which resulted in a rapid decompression.

    Frangible vs solid projectiles makes no difference. Carry on an airplane is no more or less risky than carrying on a train, bus, crowded hallway, theater or busy street. Limit cockpit access and bulletproof the bulkhead between the flight deck and cabin and the risk goes down significantly. Suddenly, pulling a gun is much more dangerous for the skyjacker than anyone else on board.

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    « Reply #32 on: July 03, 2013, 03:14:03 pm »
    Yep, the founding fathers supplied us with the best possible airplane security:: The 2nd Amendment.

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    « Reply #33 on: July 04, 2013, 02:08:03 am »
    Dont fall for Hollywood bulls___. Hollywood knows less about aircraft than they do about guns.
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    « Reply #34 on: July 04, 2013, 03:58:22 am »
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    I suspect that in any universe where they were permitted the option, a lot of those other issues would be non issues, and there would be much more profit margin to use in considering such options.
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    « Reply #35 on: July 04, 2013, 07:14:33 am »

    From the Keep And Bear Arms site:

    "KABA Note: To put that in perspective, that is less than 1 in 450,000 travelers."
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    « Reply #36 on: July 04, 2013, 09:05:27 am »

    From the Keep And Bear Arms site:

    "KABA Note: To put that in perspective, that is less than 1 in 450,000 travelers."

    Considering we haven't been allowed to carry on planes for, 40-50 years? It's still too many people being stupid about their firearms.

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    « Reply #37 on: July 04, 2013, 05:30:51 pm »
    Considering we haven't been allowed to carry on planes for, 40-50 years? It's still too many people being stupid about their firearms.

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    « Reply #38 on: July 05, 2013, 11:43:12 am »
    yes, computers actually fly commercial aircraft, pilots only do the take offs and landings to maintain certifications on the aircraft.

    Heard one of the airlines is considering replacing the co-pilot with a dog. The pilot will be there to feed the dog, the dog is there to bite the pilot if he touches anything.
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    « Reply #39 on: July 05, 2013, 12:57:42 pm »
    Pilot also carries gun to shoot dog in emergencies. (That's how I heard it anyway)
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    « Reply #40 on: July 05, 2013, 06:55:45 pm »
    Heard one of the airlines is considering replacing the co-pilot with a dog. The pilot will be there to feed the dog, the dog is there to bite the pilot if he touches anything.
      They already replaced the Flight Engineer with a computer. Now there is one less brain in the event of an airborne emergency, going against a practice that was standard during more than half the history of human flight.
    That joke goes back to the beginning of industrial automation. Some factories have dispensed with the man and dog altogether and don't even keep the lights on. Hence the name "lights out factory." Good news is that the FAA is fighting drones as hard as it can, the things are still a bit... crashy.

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